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Game of Sales 
Or how to deal with estimates and 
not get pissed off in the process 
Slava Merezhko 
CTO, Propeople 
Ukraine
Introduction 
• Name: Slava 
• Company: Propeople 
• Background: Developer and PM in the past; 
CTO and smartass right now; Sales and 
double smartass in future. 
• What I’m doing: Technical presale, Business 
processes, Development workflow, Make 
people want more & better.
Plan 
1. Why you can’t get rid of estimates. 
2. Typical problems in communication between Sales and 
Production 
3. How Production can do it’s job better. 
4. How to make precise estimate without actually having one. 
5. How Sales can do it’s job better, for God’s sake. 
6. What does all of this this has to do with Game of Thrones? 
7. Conclusions we can make. 
8. Your questions, my answers. 
9. Bonus part. Some of the links I recommend to read.
Why you can’t get rid of estimates 
• Each project has life cycle. 
• It starts with the sale. 
• Estimate is the part of the sale. 
• Proper estimations helps you to make 
yourself comfortable during the process. 
• So what’s the problem?
What’s the problem with estimates? 
• Sales can’t say no. 
• Developers can’t say no. 
• Everyone can’t say no to stupid requests. 
• Not enough time for proper estimation. 
• Not enough info for the same thing. 
• Not enough communication between 
Developers and Sales.
I’m developer, omg, what to do? 
• Learn to say No to bullshit. 
• You have technical knowledge, use it. 
• You do estimate for yourself, not for sales. 
• Give alternative options. 
• Share the info!
How to make precise estimate 
without actually having one 
• Give ranged estimate (Min – Max). 
• Make assumptions. 
• Write down uncertainty factors. 
• Make estimate process iterative.
Why should I 
do that?
Because
With estimate Without estimate
How to make precise estimate 
without actually having one 
• Give range estimate (Min – Max). 
• Make assumptions. 
• Write down uncertainty factors. 
• Make estimate process iterative.
Holy cow! I’m Sales, what to do? 
• Learn to say No to bullshit. 
• Every time you ask Devs to make 
estimate. lower, God kills a kitten. 
• Fact of the sale isn’t enough anymore. 
• Talk to developers, give them more quality 
information. Use their knowledge for 
benefits.
What does this have to do with 
Game of Thrones? 
• “Brace yourself, estimate is coming.” 
• “When you play a game of sales you 
estimate or you die.” 
• “Little birdies told me.” 
• “Hodor Hodor Hodor HODOR!”
Conclusion 
• Good estimate is a benefit for everyone. 
• Information is money. 
• Good communication – that what is 
needed for both good estimations and 
information flow. 
• Sales and Devs are in the same boat. 
• If they think otherwise –they’d better stop.
Questions? 
slava.merezhko@propeople.com.ua 
Skype slavka.merezhko 
Slava Merezhko 
CTO, Propeople 
Ukraine
Bonus articles 
• The Art of Estimation - http://www.lullabot.com/blog/art-estimation 
• Lullabot’s Hierarchy of Qualification - http://www.lullabot.com/blog/articles/lullabots-hierarchy- 
qualification 
• Why developers should start choosing conscience over profit 
http://venturebeat.com/2013/02/18/developers-choosing-conscience-over-profit/ 
• RFP Advice From The Front Lines http://cognition.happycog.com/article/rfp-advice-from- 
the-front-lines 
• Stop Writing Project Proposals http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2012/02/17/stop-writing- 
project-proposals/ 
• Искусство переговоров — это просто бизнес, ничего личного 
http://habrahabr.ru/post/141702/ 
• Про Элопа, Нокию и горящую платформу http://habrahabr.ru/post/171325/ 
• 4 ошибки, которые я допустил как технический директор 
http://habrahabr.ru/post/177063/

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  • 1. Game of Sales Or how to deal with estimates and not get pissed off in the process Slava Merezhko CTO, Propeople Ukraine
  • 2. Introduction • Name: Slava • Company: Propeople • Background: Developer and PM in the past; CTO and smartass right now; Sales and double smartass in future. • What I’m doing: Technical presale, Business processes, Development workflow, Make people want more & better.
  • 3. Plan 1. Why you can’t get rid of estimates. 2. Typical problems in communication between Sales and Production 3. How Production can do it’s job better. 4. How to make precise estimate without actually having one. 5. How Sales can do it’s job better, for God’s sake. 6. What does all of this this has to do with Game of Thrones? 7. Conclusions we can make. 8. Your questions, my answers. 9. Bonus part. Some of the links I recommend to read.
  • 4. Why you can’t get rid of estimates • Each project has life cycle. • It starts with the sale. • Estimate is the part of the sale. • Proper estimations helps you to make yourself comfortable during the process. • So what’s the problem?
  • 5. What’s the problem with estimates? • Sales can’t say no. • Developers can’t say no. • Everyone can’t say no to stupid requests. • Not enough time for proper estimation. • Not enough info for the same thing. • Not enough communication between Developers and Sales.
  • 6. I’m developer, omg, what to do? • Learn to say No to bullshit. • You have technical knowledge, use it. • You do estimate for yourself, not for sales. • Give alternative options. • Share the info!
  • 7. How to make precise estimate without actually having one • Give ranged estimate (Min – Max). • Make assumptions. • Write down uncertainty factors. • Make estimate process iterative.
  • 8. Why should I do that?
  • 11. How to make precise estimate without actually having one • Give range estimate (Min – Max). • Make assumptions. • Write down uncertainty factors. • Make estimate process iterative.
  • 12. Holy cow! I’m Sales, what to do? • Learn to say No to bullshit. • Every time you ask Devs to make estimate. lower, God kills a kitten. • Fact of the sale isn’t enough anymore. • Talk to developers, give them more quality information. Use their knowledge for benefits.
  • 13. What does this have to do with Game of Thrones? • “Brace yourself, estimate is coming.” • “When you play a game of sales you estimate or you die.” • “Little birdies told me.” • “Hodor Hodor Hodor HODOR!”
  • 14. Conclusion • Good estimate is a benefit for everyone. • Information is money. • Good communication – that what is needed for both good estimations and information flow. • Sales and Devs are in the same boat. • If they think otherwise –they’d better stop.
  • 15. Questions? slava.merezhko@propeople.com.ua Skype slavka.merezhko Slava Merezhko CTO, Propeople Ukraine
  • 16. Bonus articles • The Art of Estimation - http://www.lullabot.com/blog/art-estimation • Lullabot’s Hierarchy of Qualification - http://www.lullabot.com/blog/articles/lullabots-hierarchy- qualification • Why developers should start choosing conscience over profit http://venturebeat.com/2013/02/18/developers-choosing-conscience-over-profit/ • RFP Advice From The Front Lines http://cognition.happycog.com/article/rfp-advice-from- the-front-lines • Stop Writing Project Proposals http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2012/02/17/stop-writing- project-proposals/ • Искусство переговоров — это просто бизнес, ничего личного http://habrahabr.ru/post/141702/ • Про Элопа, Нокию и горящую платформу http://habrahabr.ru/post/171325/ • 4 ошибки, которые я допустил как технический директор http://habrahabr.ru/post/177063/