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Becoming a physician in the U.S
Part 1. Before residency




            Joonseok Kim, MD
            Internal Medicine Resident PGY2
            College of Human Medicine, Michigan State University
            January 3, 2013
Contents
• Why U.S?
• What are my odds of getting into residency
  in U.S?
• What are the ‘handicaps’?
• How can I overcome my ‘handicap’?
• FAQ
Reality
• We have to be realistic, and somewhat
  pessimistic
• Do not see what you want to see
• You are the one who makes the decision

• Where am I?
Reality
• Matching is getting harder and harder
   • Will the door be closed in 2015?
• Life in the U.S could be unsatisfactory as
  well
   • Can be worse than you thought
   • You have to give up many things
   • Many seniors went back to Korea after
     training
Why US?
• Most important question
   • You will be asked this question more
      than 200 times
• If you cannot persuade yourself, you
  cannot persuade others
• You need to have a very firm reason to
  remind yourself when you are weary
Why US?
•   반복되는 일상이 지루하다.
•   나빠져만 가는 한국의 현실
•   안하면 후회할 것 같다.
•   자녀들이 연수를 가는데 나도 가서 뭐라도
    했으면.

• Matching and living in the U.S is a long,
  long way to go
• Going to the U.S is not the solution for the
  dissatisfactions in your life
• Life in US is not easy at all
How to decide?
• Prioritize
   • What is the most important thing and
     what is the least important thing in my
     life?
       • As a husband/wife, father/mother,
         son/daughter and physician
Again, why US?
•   Lifestyle
•   Family
•   My education
•   Kids’ education

• Life in academia
   • Student teaching, resident teaching
   • Research
       • Clinical, basic
• 미국병
   • Refractory disease
What are my odds of getting
into residency in US?
Specialty
•   Internal Medicine
•   Family Medicine
•   Neurology
•   Psychiatry
•   Pediatrics

• Pathology
• General surgery
Things to consider
• What is the most important thing?
  • I don’t know

•   Score
•   Post Graduate Years
•   English
•   USCE
•   Green card
•   Desire
•   Passion
•   Energy
•   Right pathway
•   Good mentor/advisor
•   지인 who already works as a resident in
    the U.S
Not very important
• Publications
• Ph.D.
• Research

• May be important for fellowship, but not for
  residency
   • Unless you are looking for very
     prestigious programs
Then, Can I ‘calculate’ my
odds?
• No, but we can estimate
   • By estimating the number of interviews
     that you might be able to get
• Case by case

• If I do match, where can I go?
   • Where am I willing to go?
        • Best hospital vs. worst hospital
        • MGH vs small community hospital vs
          NY
General rule
• 점수가 깡패
  • Not only related to the number of
    interviews, but also to the quality of
    program that you might go to
  • Does not mean that you will get
    matched
• 영어는 물귀신
  • You might be hopeful that it will not be
    hard to ‘pretend’ to speak English well
    during the interview
      • Not true
What are the ‘handicaps’?
•   Low score (Less than 220?)
•   Failed record (CS)
•   Failed record (Step1, CK)
•   Old graduate (more than 5
    years, especially 10 years)
How can I overcome my
‘handicap’?
• First of all, not easy. Handicap is
  handicap.
   • Can’t compete with ‘넘사벽 applicants.’
   • Realize your situation, then set up your
     realistic goal.
   • Then think about the ‘withdrawal
     strategy’ as well.
• You need to have a different strategy from
  ‘non-handicapped applicants’.
How can I overcome my
‘handicap’?
• Reality
  • You will get no more than 5
    interview invitations
     • Mostly 1-2 or none if you have
       more than 2 factors
  • Your chance of matching to
    residency is less than 20%
How can I overcome my
‘handicap’?
  • Unless you have another extra
    strength
      • Born in the US
      • Fluent English
      • Wrote 20 articles, cited more than 200
        times
      • Excellent, exceptional LOR from very
        renowned attending
      • Personal call from a mentor in the US
  • Many of these are not ‘modifiable risk
    factors’
Then, impossible?
• No, but needs more effort and sacrifice
• Few interview invitations doesn’t
  necessarily mean that you cannot get into
  residency.
• Have to have a good strategy to begin
  with.
   • Do not try without having any strategy
   • Ask many residents in the US who
     overcame similar handicaps BEFORE
     you start studying for USMLE
Strategy
• What do you know about US?
• What do you know about US medical
  system?
• Do you think you are the best candidate?
• Then, Why do they have to pick you?

• You have to be a candidate that the PD
  wants to work with
Why IMG/KMGs- Our value?
•   Smart
•   Ambitious
•   Diligent
•   Diversity

• Good knowledge base
• Academic background
Why IMG/KMGs – our drawback?
• Take time to acclimate to US medical
  system
• US clinical experience
• English
• Social skill
   • Communication skill
   • 어….
USCE
• Find observership
  • Hard to find?
  • The longer, the better
  • In order to achieve this goal, the hospital
    doesn’t have to be a prestigious hospital; do it
    where you might have a chance to match.
  • Mixed hospital strategy is also fine.
      • Ex. 3 months in University program for good
        LORs, 2 months in community.
USCE
• DO YOUR BEST
  • Not for the LOR, but to impress
    attendings so that you can get into
    THAT program.
  • Not easy to do your best.
     • Don’t forget why you are there.
     • Show your interest
     • Make a connection to that program and
       attendings
How about mid-handicapped
applicants?
•   Not high score (Less than 240?)
•   Recent graduate (within 5 years)
•   1 month or no USCE
•   No US LOR
How about mid-handicapped
applicants?
• You will get 3-12 interview invitations
• Not from very prestigious program unless
  you have something else
• If you don’t speak English well enough to
  impress your interviewer, your chance of
  matching is borderline
How about low-handicapped
applicants?
• You will get many interview invitations
• Can get interview invitations from
  university-based programs
   • Not from very prestigious program
      unless you have something else
• If you don’t speak English well enough to
  impress your interviewer, however, your
  match is not guaranteed
Again, USCE
• The only thing you can change in your
  spec.
• Be realistic, you may have to sacrifice
  many things in your life
   • Do I still really want this?
   • If yes, go for it
One more thing, Applications
  • More important than you may think
  • This is a modifiable risk factor
     • Modify it!
  • Many KMGs don’t pay attention to their
    documents very much
     • Would you give an interview to an
       applicant who wrote that personal
       statement?
     • Korean LORs are important as well
Becoming a physician in the U.S
Part 2. During residency




            Joonseok Kim, MD
            Internal Medicine Resident PGY2
            College of Human Medicine, Michigan State University
            January 3, 2013
Resident Life
• It is totally up to where you are at.
   • NY
   • East coast vs midwest
   • However, ACGME rule protects you
       (somewhat…)

   • In general, much better than resident
     life in Korea in terms of work load
       • Cannot generalize, so I will explain
         based on what I have experienced
         and what I have heard
Rotation Schedule
• PGY1
   • 6 floor, 2 ICU, 1 night float, 3 electives
• PGY2
   • 3 floors, 1 ICU, 1 night float, 7 electives
   • Can do up to 2 months of out-of-
     hospital rotation
• PGY3
   • 1 floor, 1 hospitalist, 2 ICU, 1 night
     float, 7 electives
• 3 weeks vacation, 1 week educational
  leave per year
ACGME regulations
• Interns
   • Cannot work more than 16 hours
      consecutively
   • Have to have at least 10 hours break
      before shift
   • In reality?
• Residents
   • Cannot work more than 30 hours
      consecutively
   • Have to have at least 10 hours break
      before shift
• Fellows
   • Yes, but somewhat loose
Resident Life: Life in the Hospital
   • What kind of work?
     • Seeing patients
        • Cap?
     • Writing progress notes
        • EMR?
        • Assessment and Plan
     • Contact consultants
     • Presentation
     • Make a plan for the patients
     • Dealing with social issues
        • Case manager
     • Scut work?
Work Hour
• Floor
   • 6AM – 5PM
   • 7AM – 7PM Q8 short call for interns, Q4 or
     residents
   • 1 day night float per month for interns only
• ICU
   • 6AM – 5PM
   • 7AM – 7PM Q4 short call for interns and
     residents
   • 6-7 days night float per month for interns
     and residents
Typical day
• Floor, ICU
   • 6AM - 7:30AM: Pre-round
   • 7:30AM - 8:30AM: Morning report and sign
     out
   • 8:30AM - 9:30AM: Pre-round
   • 9:30AM - 12:00PM: Round with attending
     and team
   • 12:00PM - 1:00PM: Didactics, grand
     rounds
   • 1:00PM - 5:00PM: Patient care, discharge
   • 5:00PM: Sign out to on-call resident
Relationship
• No vertical relationship with your senior
• No vertical relationship with your attending
   • Yes, sometimes. But not like Korea
• Many 짱돌’s
   • Hopefully it is not me
Resident Life: Life outside the
Hospital
• Finance
   • Salary: USD 45,000 – 55,000 for PGY1
   • Rent: USD 1000 – 1800 per month
      • Including water, heating, electricity
   • Food: USD 500 – 1300 per month
   • Etc
      • Car insurance, clothes, shopping
   • Family
      • Daycare: USD 5-10 per hour
      • School
      • Wife tuition: $$$
Resident Life: Life outside the
Hospital
• Generally, you can afford a family of 4 with
  a resident’s salary on a tight budget
• Bottom line is, you will not live with that
  low salary forever, only 3-6 (7,8,9…) years
• Other options
   • 마통
   • 부통
   • etc
How can I become an excellent
resident?
• Be a leader of the team
   • If you act like a leader, you will be a
     leader
   • If you want to act like an intern (or
     medical student) in Korea, you can.
   • However, your evaluation will reflect
     that attitude
   You have to speak up when you have to

• An intern can be a leader of the team
• Be proactive
How can I become an excellent
resident?
• Read about the case that you are seeing
  now, at least 1-2 hours a week
   • Not easy
• Critical thinking
   • Don’t accept your attending’s words as
     the truth
   • Ask, ask, ask. WHY
   • Research pubmed, textbook,
     uptodate…
• Teach your students, interns
What can I do to help my
    career?
• It depends on why you are doing residency in
  US

• Try to find what you truly want to do as early as
  possible
   • Nothing is more important than focused life
   • Don’t have to decide at the beginning of the
     intern year
       • But no later than at the end of intern year
What is my priority?
• Peaceful life with family
• More relaxed life, not too intense
   • Internist/hospitalist
   • Primary care physician

 Focus on broadening internal medicine
  knowledge
 See what your attending is doing
 Try to experience hospitalist/PCP life
  before you decide
What is my priority?
• Specialist
   • More focused patient care
• Then, requires fellowship
   • Why?
   • When?
   • Which specialty?
   • What do I truly want to become?
      • Private versus Academia

 You may need something to fill out your CV
 You have to have better knowledge base
  compared to your colleagues in that area
Research?
• It depends on what you want to do after residency
• Find a mentor
   • Jump into mentor’s research and learn
   • One who can advise on my research idea
   • Not always possible
       • You can find a mentor out of the hospital
• Always start with small things
   • You can’t do it anyway if you have no
      experience
• Read, read and read to find research idea
• Again, Idea is the key
Research?
•   Poster
•   Abstract
•   Case report
•   Case review
•   Review article
•   Retrospective chart review

• Out of town elective rotation
Conclusion
• Matching needs a well constructed plan
   • Don’t prepare it alone
   • There is no generalized answer to your
      situation, do not rely on others’ opinion
   • YOU HAVE TO MAKE YOUR OWN
      DECISION
• Matching is a whole new start, not the end
  of your training
   • Think forward, not backward
• If you dream with a concrete plan, it will
  come true
Thank you

Ten minute break




                   Joonseok Kim, M.D.
                   viciousjoon@gmail.com

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Becoming a physician in the US- USMLEKOREA lecture

  • 1. Becoming a physician in the U.S Part 1. Before residency Joonseok Kim, MD Internal Medicine Resident PGY2 College of Human Medicine, Michigan State University January 3, 2013
  • 2. Contents • Why U.S? • What are my odds of getting into residency in U.S? • What are the ‘handicaps’? • How can I overcome my ‘handicap’? • FAQ
  • 3. Reality • We have to be realistic, and somewhat pessimistic • Do not see what you want to see • You are the one who makes the decision • Where am I?
  • 4. Reality • Matching is getting harder and harder • Will the door be closed in 2015? • Life in the U.S could be unsatisfactory as well • Can be worse than you thought • You have to give up many things • Many seniors went back to Korea after training
  • 5. Why US? • Most important question • You will be asked this question more than 200 times • If you cannot persuade yourself, you cannot persuade others • You need to have a very firm reason to remind yourself when you are weary
  • 6. Why US? • 반복되는 일상이 지루하다. • 나빠져만 가는 한국의 현실 • 안하면 후회할 것 같다. • 자녀들이 연수를 가는데 나도 가서 뭐라도 했으면. • Matching and living in the U.S is a long, long way to go • Going to the U.S is not the solution for the dissatisfactions in your life • Life in US is not easy at all
  • 7. How to decide? • Prioritize • What is the most important thing and what is the least important thing in my life? • As a husband/wife, father/mother, son/daughter and physician
  • 8. Again, why US? • Lifestyle • Family • My education • Kids’ education • Life in academia • Student teaching, resident teaching • Research • Clinical, basic • 미국병 • Refractory disease
  • 9. What are my odds of getting into residency in US?
  • 10. Specialty • Internal Medicine • Family Medicine • Neurology • Psychiatry • Pediatrics • Pathology • General surgery
  • 11. Things to consider • What is the most important thing? • I don’t know • Score • Post Graduate Years • English • USCE • Green card
  • 12. Desire • Passion • Energy • Right pathway • Good mentor/advisor • 지인 who already works as a resident in the U.S
  • 13. Not very important • Publications • Ph.D. • Research • May be important for fellowship, but not for residency • Unless you are looking for very prestigious programs
  • 14. Then, Can I ‘calculate’ my odds? • No, but we can estimate • By estimating the number of interviews that you might be able to get • Case by case • If I do match, where can I go? • Where am I willing to go? • Best hospital vs. worst hospital • MGH vs small community hospital vs NY
  • 15. General rule • 점수가 깡패 • Not only related to the number of interviews, but also to the quality of program that you might go to • Does not mean that you will get matched • 영어는 물귀신 • You might be hopeful that it will not be hard to ‘pretend’ to speak English well during the interview • Not true
  • 16. What are the ‘handicaps’? • Low score (Less than 220?) • Failed record (CS) • Failed record (Step1, CK) • Old graduate (more than 5 years, especially 10 years)
  • 17. How can I overcome my ‘handicap’? • First of all, not easy. Handicap is handicap. • Can’t compete with ‘넘사벽 applicants.’ • Realize your situation, then set up your realistic goal. • Then think about the ‘withdrawal strategy’ as well. • You need to have a different strategy from ‘non-handicapped applicants’.
  • 18. How can I overcome my ‘handicap’? • Reality • You will get no more than 5 interview invitations • Mostly 1-2 or none if you have more than 2 factors • Your chance of matching to residency is less than 20%
  • 19. How can I overcome my ‘handicap’? • Unless you have another extra strength • Born in the US • Fluent English • Wrote 20 articles, cited more than 200 times • Excellent, exceptional LOR from very renowned attending • Personal call from a mentor in the US • Many of these are not ‘modifiable risk factors’
  • 20. Then, impossible? • No, but needs more effort and sacrifice • Few interview invitations doesn’t necessarily mean that you cannot get into residency. • Have to have a good strategy to begin with. • Do not try without having any strategy • Ask many residents in the US who overcame similar handicaps BEFORE you start studying for USMLE
  • 21. Strategy • What do you know about US? • What do you know about US medical system? • Do you think you are the best candidate? • Then, Why do they have to pick you? • You have to be a candidate that the PD wants to work with
  • 22. Why IMG/KMGs- Our value? • Smart • Ambitious • Diligent • Diversity • Good knowledge base • Academic background
  • 23. Why IMG/KMGs – our drawback? • Take time to acclimate to US medical system • US clinical experience • English • Social skill • Communication skill • 어….
  • 24. USCE • Find observership • Hard to find? • The longer, the better • In order to achieve this goal, the hospital doesn’t have to be a prestigious hospital; do it where you might have a chance to match. • Mixed hospital strategy is also fine. • Ex. 3 months in University program for good LORs, 2 months in community.
  • 25. USCE • DO YOUR BEST • Not for the LOR, but to impress attendings so that you can get into THAT program. • Not easy to do your best. • Don’t forget why you are there. • Show your interest • Make a connection to that program and attendings
  • 26. How about mid-handicapped applicants? • Not high score (Less than 240?) • Recent graduate (within 5 years) • 1 month or no USCE • No US LOR
  • 27. How about mid-handicapped applicants? • You will get 3-12 interview invitations • Not from very prestigious program unless you have something else • If you don’t speak English well enough to impress your interviewer, your chance of matching is borderline
  • 28. How about low-handicapped applicants? • You will get many interview invitations • Can get interview invitations from university-based programs • Not from very prestigious program unless you have something else • If you don’t speak English well enough to impress your interviewer, however, your match is not guaranteed
  • 29. Again, USCE • The only thing you can change in your spec. • Be realistic, you may have to sacrifice many things in your life • Do I still really want this? • If yes, go for it
  • 30. One more thing, Applications • More important than you may think • This is a modifiable risk factor • Modify it! • Many KMGs don’t pay attention to their documents very much • Would you give an interview to an applicant who wrote that personal statement? • Korean LORs are important as well
  • 31. Becoming a physician in the U.S Part 2. During residency Joonseok Kim, MD Internal Medicine Resident PGY2 College of Human Medicine, Michigan State University January 3, 2013
  • 32. Resident Life • It is totally up to where you are at. • NY • East coast vs midwest • However, ACGME rule protects you (somewhat…) • In general, much better than resident life in Korea in terms of work load • Cannot generalize, so I will explain based on what I have experienced and what I have heard
  • 33. Rotation Schedule • PGY1 • 6 floor, 2 ICU, 1 night float, 3 electives • PGY2 • 3 floors, 1 ICU, 1 night float, 7 electives • Can do up to 2 months of out-of- hospital rotation • PGY3 • 1 floor, 1 hospitalist, 2 ICU, 1 night float, 7 electives • 3 weeks vacation, 1 week educational leave per year
  • 34. ACGME regulations • Interns • Cannot work more than 16 hours consecutively • Have to have at least 10 hours break before shift • In reality? • Residents • Cannot work more than 30 hours consecutively • Have to have at least 10 hours break before shift • Fellows • Yes, but somewhat loose
  • 35. Resident Life: Life in the Hospital • What kind of work? • Seeing patients • Cap? • Writing progress notes • EMR? • Assessment and Plan • Contact consultants • Presentation • Make a plan for the patients • Dealing with social issues • Case manager • Scut work?
  • 36. Work Hour • Floor • 6AM – 5PM • 7AM – 7PM Q8 short call for interns, Q4 or residents • 1 day night float per month for interns only • ICU • 6AM – 5PM • 7AM – 7PM Q4 short call for interns and residents • 6-7 days night float per month for interns and residents
  • 37. Typical day • Floor, ICU • 6AM - 7:30AM: Pre-round • 7:30AM - 8:30AM: Morning report and sign out • 8:30AM - 9:30AM: Pre-round • 9:30AM - 12:00PM: Round with attending and team • 12:00PM - 1:00PM: Didactics, grand rounds • 1:00PM - 5:00PM: Patient care, discharge • 5:00PM: Sign out to on-call resident
  • 38. Relationship • No vertical relationship with your senior • No vertical relationship with your attending • Yes, sometimes. But not like Korea • Many 짱돌’s • Hopefully it is not me
  • 39. Resident Life: Life outside the Hospital • Finance • Salary: USD 45,000 – 55,000 for PGY1 • Rent: USD 1000 – 1800 per month • Including water, heating, electricity • Food: USD 500 – 1300 per month • Etc • Car insurance, clothes, shopping • Family • Daycare: USD 5-10 per hour • School • Wife tuition: $$$
  • 40. Resident Life: Life outside the Hospital • Generally, you can afford a family of 4 with a resident’s salary on a tight budget • Bottom line is, you will not live with that low salary forever, only 3-6 (7,8,9…) years • Other options • 마통 • 부통 • etc
  • 41. How can I become an excellent resident? • Be a leader of the team • If you act like a leader, you will be a leader • If you want to act like an intern (or medical student) in Korea, you can. • However, your evaluation will reflect that attitude You have to speak up when you have to • An intern can be a leader of the team • Be proactive
  • 42. How can I become an excellent resident? • Read about the case that you are seeing now, at least 1-2 hours a week • Not easy • Critical thinking • Don’t accept your attending’s words as the truth • Ask, ask, ask. WHY • Research pubmed, textbook, uptodate… • Teach your students, interns
  • 43. What can I do to help my career? • It depends on why you are doing residency in US • Try to find what you truly want to do as early as possible • Nothing is more important than focused life • Don’t have to decide at the beginning of the intern year • But no later than at the end of intern year
  • 44. What is my priority? • Peaceful life with family • More relaxed life, not too intense • Internist/hospitalist • Primary care physician  Focus on broadening internal medicine knowledge  See what your attending is doing  Try to experience hospitalist/PCP life before you decide
  • 45. What is my priority? • Specialist • More focused patient care • Then, requires fellowship • Why? • When? • Which specialty? • What do I truly want to become? • Private versus Academia  You may need something to fill out your CV  You have to have better knowledge base compared to your colleagues in that area
  • 46. Research? • It depends on what you want to do after residency • Find a mentor • Jump into mentor’s research and learn • One who can advise on my research idea • Not always possible • You can find a mentor out of the hospital • Always start with small things • You can’t do it anyway if you have no experience • Read, read and read to find research idea • Again, Idea is the key
  • 47. Research? • Poster • Abstract • Case report • Case review • Review article • Retrospective chart review • Out of town elective rotation
  • 48. Conclusion • Matching needs a well constructed plan • Don’t prepare it alone • There is no generalized answer to your situation, do not rely on others’ opinion • YOU HAVE TO MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION • Matching is a whole new start, not the end of your training • Think forward, not backward • If you dream with a concrete plan, it will come true
  • 49. Thank you Ten minute break Joonseok Kim, M.D. viciousjoon@gmail.com

Editor's Notes

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