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A52 suffering
The source, cause, source, effect of
suffering, God and suffering-avoid being
thrown into hell, There is eternal life/God's
wrath, temporary suffering
Preface
• Suffering has always been a very difficult topic to
discuss, because if you mention the word of
Bible, others will think that you have no empathy.
As if you meet a suffering person, he is the
greatest, and all people must serve him and he
also accept the support of others with righteous,
but is it so in God’s kingdom? Why does God
want people to suffer? What are the reasons for
suffering? Can we know God’s will and live a life
that glorifies God?
The source of suffering
• Isaiah 45:7 I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD,
do all these things.
• Deuteronomy 32:39 39 ‘Now see that I, even I,
am He, And there is no God besides Me; I kill and
I make alive; I wound and I heal; Nor is there any
who can deliver from My hand.
• I, the LORD, do all these things.
• Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand.
Causes of suffering
• Jeremiah 2:19 Your wickedness will punish
you; your backsliding will rebuke you. Consider
then and realize how evil and bitter it is for you
when you forsake the Lord your God and have no
awe of me,” declares the Lord, the Lord Almighty.
• James. 1:14 “But each one is tempted when he is
drawn away by his own desires and enticed.”
• Your wickedness
• his own desires and enticed
Identify the source of suffering
• John. 9:39 “And Jesus said, "For judgment I have
come into this world, that those who do not see
may see, and that those who see may be made
blind." ”
• James. 4:6 “But He gives more grace. Therefore
He says: "God resists the proud, But gives grace
to the humble."”
• Jer 17:10 I the Lord am the searcher of the heart,
the tester of the thoughts, so that I may give to
every man the reward of his ways, in keeping
with the fruit of his doings.
The role of suffering
• Phil. 3:19 “whose end is destruction, whose god
is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame--
who set their mind on earthly things.”
• John. 3:19 “And this is the condemnation, that
the light has come into the world, and men loved
darkness rather than light, because their deeds
were evil.”
• whose god is their belly
• men loved darkness rather than light
GOD and suffering
• Lamentations 3:32 32 Though He causes grief, Yet He will
show compassion According to the multitude of His
mercies.
• Lamentations 3:33 33 For He does not afflict willingly, Nor
grieve the children of men.
• 2Pet.3:9 “The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as
some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not
willing that any should perish but that all should come to
repentance.”
• Exodus 34:6 6 And the LORD passed before him and
proclaimed, “The LORD, the LORD God, merciful and
gracious, longsuffering, and abounding in goodness and
truth,
God and suffering-avoid being thrown
into hell
• Matt. 25:46 “And these will go away into everlasting
punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.’”
• Mark. 9:47 “And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it
out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God
with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast
into hell fire--”
• Mark. 9:48 “where "Their worm does not die And the
fire is not quenched.' ”
• Mark. 9:49 “"For everyone will be seasoned with fire,
and every sacrifice will be seasoned with salt.”
God and Suffering-
There is Eternal Life/God's Wrath
• John. 3:36 “He who believes in the Son has
everlasting life; and he who does not believe the
Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God
abides on him."”
• believes in the Son has everlasting life
• the wrath of God abides on him
• Rev. 6:16 “and said to the mountains and rocks,
‘Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who
sits on the throne and from the wrath of the
Lamb!”
Suffering temporarily
• 1Pet. 5:10 “But may the God of all grace, who
called us to His eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after
you have suffered a while, perfect, establish,
strengthen, and settle you.”
• by Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a while
• 1Cor. 10:13 “No temptation has overtaken you
except such as is common to man; but God is
faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted
beyond what you are able, but with the
temptation will also make the way of escape,
that you may be able to bear it.”
The attitude you should have-
the body is sick
• A5 Individual bear his own burdens-sickness I injure, I also heal,
Confession, repentance, cure, steps ppp
• https://discussion4disciple.blogspot.com/2020/10/a5-individual-bear-
his-own-burdens.html
• A4- Individuals bear their own burdens – Sports, High efficient spiritual
growth, fall-save prevention ppp
• https://discussion4disciple.blogspot.com/2020/10/a4-individuals-bear-
their-own-burdens.html
• A3- one bear his own burdens, diseases, Constipation, allergy, stroke,
heart disease, cancer, malnutrition, depression ppp
• https://discussion4disciple.blogspot.com/2020/10/a3-one-bear-his-
own-burdens-diseases.html
• A2 - Everyone must take care his own burden--body Self-care, internal
organs, earth's magnetic field, Five Elements Fruits and Vegetables ppp
• https://discussion4disciple.blogspot.com/2020/10/a2-everyone-must-
take-care-his-own.html
The attitude that should be-the
relationship breaks down
• A11 Reform marriage In the face of suffering, only the Bible, enter
the truth, Awareness of marriage, strengthening the body ppp
• https://discussion4disciple.blogspot.com/2020/10/a11-reform-
marriage-in-face-of.html
• A 9 The way of husband and wife Two united as one, leaving their
parents, the third person, Respect and love, wash with water ppp
• https://discussion4disciple.blogspot.com/2020/10/a-9-way-of-
husband-and-wife-two-united.html
• A8 - The world and depression Vitamins, minerals and depression
God's Word and Depression ppp
• https://discussion4disciple.blogspot.com/2020/10/a8-world-and-
depression-vitamins.html
Deserving attitude-grasping salvation
• 16 Salvation 3/3, Become a little child, Paul daily living, Stick to the end, Once
save, always save? ppp
• https://discussion4disciple.blogspot.com/2020/09/16-salvation-33-become-
little-child.html
• 16 Salvation, rebirth 2/3 What is rebirth? How does rebirth happen? What are
the characteristics of a reborn person? Why should we be born again? ppp
• https://discussion4disciple.blogspot.com/2020/09/16-salvation-rebirth-23-what-
is-rebirth.html
• 16 Salvation 1/3, lottery, God’s effort to provide salvation How to get our
salvation ppp
• https://discussion4disciple.blogspot.com/2020/09/16-salvation-13-lottery-gods-
effort-to.html
• 16 Salvation diagram, Support roadbed, The way to salvation, The process of
salvation ppp
• https://discussion4disciple.blogspot.com/2020/09/16-salvation-diagram-
support-roadbed.html
contact method
• https://discussion4disciple.blogspot.com/
• the above is the disciple training website , I have
designed it according to what I know about the
Bible, if there is any inconsistency with the Bible
,please do not hesitate to contact me if you want
to start please start on the below webpage
• ppp S Summary Guide for disciple training
directory/usage
• https://discussion4disciple.blogspot.com/2020/0
6/ppp-s-summary-guide-for-disciple.html
• sdtsao2009@gmail.com

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A374 人所說的閒話 閒話,當審判的日子, 言語/污穢人 不潔淨的人, 生死在舌頭的權下 保守你心, 愛慕長壽,得享美福A374 人所說的閒話 閒話,當審判的日子, 言語/污穢人 不潔淨的人, 生死在舌頭的權下 保守你心, 愛慕長壽,得享美福
A374 人所說的閒話 閒話,當審判的日子, 言語/污穢人 不潔淨的人, 生死在舌頭的權下 保守你心, 愛慕長壽,得享美福
 
A373 真知識 不是按著真知識, 知識/真知識 知識=>真知識距離的差距, 知識 /真知識/ 什麼是愛神 知識 /真知識/ 什麼是認識神, 知識 /真...
A373 真知識 不是按著真知識, 知識/真知識 知識=>真知識距離的差距, 知識 /真知識/ 什麼是愛神 知識 /真知識/ 什麼是認識神,  知識 /真...A373 真知識 不是按著真知識, 知識/真知識 知識=>真知識距離的差距, 知識 /真知識/ 什麼是愛神 知識 /真知識/ 什麼是認識神,  知識 /真...
A373 真知識 不是按著真知識, 知識/真知識 知識=>真知識距離的差距, 知識 /真知識/ 什麼是愛神 知識 /真知識/ 什麼是認識神, 知識 /真...
 
A372 自己欺哄自己 聽道 / 行道, 聽道/心中沒有根 聽道明白了,後來結實, 多結果子
A372 自己欺哄自己 聽道 / 行道, 聽道/心中沒有根 聽道明白了,後來結實, 多結果子A372 自己欺哄自己 聽道 / 行道, 聽道/心中沒有根 聽道明白了,後來結實, 多結果子
A372 自己欺哄自己 聽道 / 行道, 聽道/心中沒有根 聽道明白了,後來結實, 多結果子
 
A371 開𩆜眼 𩆜,𩆜眼不開人可以看到神的國度嗎? 神可以看到人的作為嗎? 向他顯現 = 開𩆜眼 信心與所聽見的道
A371 開𩆜眼 𩆜,𩆜眼不開人可以看到神的國度嗎? 神可以看到人的作為嗎? 向他顯現 = 開𩆜眼 信心與所聽見的道A371 開𩆜眼 𩆜,𩆜眼不開人可以看到神的國度嗎? 神可以看到人的作為嗎? 向他顯現 = 開𩆜眼 信心與所聽見的道
A371 開𩆜眼 𩆜,𩆜眼不開人可以看到神的國度嗎? 神可以看到人的作為嗎? 向他顯現 = 開𩆜眼 信心與所聽見的道
 
A370 基督十字架的仇敵 耶穌十字架的苦難 =>喜樂, 仇敵, 同死同活, 必得著生命 與神和好, 又新又活的路, 屬基督耶穌
A370 基督十字架的仇敵 耶穌十字架的苦難 =>喜樂, 仇敵,  同死同活, 必得著生命 與神和好, 又新又活的路, 屬基督耶穌A370 基督十字架的仇敵 耶穌十字架的苦難 =>喜樂, 仇敵,  同死同活, 必得著生命 與神和好, 又新又活的路, 屬基督耶穌
A370 基督十字架的仇敵 耶穌十字架的苦難 =>喜樂, 仇敵, 同死同活, 必得著生命 與神和好, 又新又活的路, 屬基督耶穌
 
A369  定睛在虛無的錢財  錢財, 虛無的錢財, 錢財必長翅膀 神喜悅誰, 凡接待祂的 => 信祂名的人 與他同住
A369  定睛在虛無的錢財  錢財, 虛無的錢財, 錢財必長翅膀 神喜悅誰, 凡接待祂的 => 信祂名的人 與他同住A369  定睛在虛無的錢財  錢財, 虛無的錢財, 錢財必長翅膀 神喜悅誰, 凡接待祂的 => 信祂名的人 與他同住
A369  定睛在虛無的錢財  錢財, 虛無的錢財, 錢財必長翅膀 神喜悅誰, 凡接待祂的 => 信祂名的人 與他同住
 
A367 行惡的未曾見過神。   行善, 耶穌開他們的心竅 未曾見過神, 神是靈, 要向他顯現
A367 行惡的未曾見過神。   行善, 耶穌開他們的心竅 未曾見過神, 神是靈, 要向他顯現A367 行惡的未曾見過神。   行善, 耶穌開他們的心竅 未曾見過神, 神是靈, 要向他顯現
A367 行惡的未曾見過神。   行善, 耶穌開他們的心竅 未曾見過神, 神是靈, 要向他顯現
 
A366人的思想/神的思想 神的話,立刻用人的解釋。神的話 =>人的解釋 => 神的話 神的話,正確的解釋法。神的思想
A366人的思想/神的思想 神的話,立刻用人的解釋。神的話 =>人的解釋 => 神的話  神的話,正確的解釋法。神的思想A366人的思想/神的思想 神的話,立刻用人的解釋。神的話 =>人的解釋 => 神的話  神的話,正確的解釋法。神的思想
A366人的思想/神的思想 神的話,立刻用人的解釋。神的話 =>人的解釋 => 神的話 神的話,正確的解釋法。神的思想
 
A357 Hate can stir up strife, but love can cover up all mistakes. hate, love...
A357 Hate can stir up strife, but love can cover up all mistakes.  hate, love...A357 Hate can stir up strife, but love can cover up all mistakes.  hate, love...
A357 Hate can stir up strife, but love can cover up all mistakes. hate, love...
 
A365 錯誤解經的危險 錯誤解經, 例子 1 奉你的名傳道 大使命為什麼必須是門徒才能做? 例子 2 侷限成一小部分的人
A365 錯誤解經的危險 錯誤解經, 例子 1 奉你的名傳道 大使命為什麼必須是門徒才能做? 例子 2 侷限成一小部分的人A365 錯誤解經的危險 錯誤解經, 例子 1 奉你的名傳道 大使命為什麼必須是門徒才能做? 例子 2 侷限成一小部分的人
A365 錯誤解經的危險 錯誤解經, 例子 1 奉你的名傳道 大使命為什麼必須是門徒才能做? 例子 2 侷限成一小部分的人
 
A362 72 小時經歷神 什麼是神, 選擇適當的經文, 選擇的標準, 準備工作
A362 72 小時經歷神 什麼是神, 選擇適當的經文, 選擇的標準, 準備工作A362 72 小時經歷神 什麼是神, 選擇適當的經文, 選擇的標準, 準備工作
A362 72 小時經歷神 什麼是神, 選擇適當的經文, 選擇的標準, 準備工作
 
A361 浪子回頭看天父 應得的家業, 應得的家業 -世界的方法 應得的家業 -神的方法, 神賜給的先決條件
A361 浪子回頭看天父 應得的家業, 應得的家業 -世界的方法 應得的家業 -神的方法,  神賜給的先決條件A361 浪子回頭看天父 應得的家業, 應得的家業 -世界的方法 應得的家業 -神的方法,  神賜給的先決條件
A361 浪子回頭看天父 應得的家業, 應得的家業 -世界的方法 應得的家業 -神的方法, 神賜給的先決條件
 

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A52 suffering The source, cause, source, effect of suffering, God and suffering-avoid being thrown into hell, There is eternal life/God's wrath, temporary suffering

  • 1. Disciple Building Sharing A52 suffering The source, cause, source, effect of suffering, God and suffering-avoid being thrown into hell, There is eternal life/God's wrath, temporary suffering
  • 2. Preface • Suffering has always been a very difficult topic to discuss, because if you mention the word of Bible, others will think that you have no empathy. As if you meet a suffering person, he is the greatest, and all people must serve him and he also accept the support of others with righteous, but is it so in God’s kingdom? Why does God want people to suffer? What are the reasons for suffering? Can we know God’s will and live a life that glorifies God?
  • 3. The source of suffering • Isaiah 45:7 I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things. • Deuteronomy 32:39 39 ‘Now see that I, even I, am He, And there is no God besides Me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand. • I, the LORD, do all these things. • Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand.
  • 4. Causes of suffering • Jeremiah 2:19 Your wickedness will punish you; your backsliding will rebuke you. Consider then and realize how evil and bitter it is for you when you forsake the Lord your God and have no awe of me,” declares the Lord, the Lord Almighty. • James. 1:14 “But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.” • Your wickedness • his own desires and enticed
  • 5. Identify the source of suffering • John. 9:39 “And Jesus said, "For judgment I have come into this world, that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may be made blind." ” • James. 4:6 “But He gives more grace. Therefore He says: "God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble."” • Jer 17:10 I the Lord am the searcher of the heart, the tester of the thoughts, so that I may give to every man the reward of his ways, in keeping with the fruit of his doings.
  • 6. The role of suffering • Phil. 3:19 “whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame-- who set their mind on earthly things.” • John. 3:19 “And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.” • whose god is their belly • men loved darkness rather than light
  • 7. GOD and suffering • Lamentations 3:32 32 Though He causes grief, Yet He will show compassion According to the multitude of His mercies. • Lamentations 3:33 33 For He does not afflict willingly, Nor grieve the children of men. • 2Pet.3:9 “The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.” • Exodus 34:6 6 And the LORD passed before him and proclaimed, “The LORD, the LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abounding in goodness and truth,
  • 8. God and suffering-avoid being thrown into hell • Matt. 25:46 “And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.’” • Mark. 9:47 “And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire--” • Mark. 9:48 “where "Their worm does not die And the fire is not quenched.' ” • Mark. 9:49 “"For everyone will be seasoned with fire, and every sacrifice will be seasoned with salt.”
  • 9. God and Suffering- There is Eternal Life/God's Wrath • John. 3:36 “He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."” • believes in the Son has everlasting life • the wrath of God abides on him • Rev. 6:16 “and said to the mountains and rocks, ‘Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!”
  • 10. Suffering temporarily • 1Pet. 5:10 “But may the God of all grace, who called us to His eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a while, perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle you.” • by Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a while • 1Cor. 10:13 “No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.”
  • 11. The attitude you should have- the body is sick • A5 Individual bear his own burdens-sickness I injure, I also heal, Confession, repentance, cure, steps ppp • https://discussion4disciple.blogspot.com/2020/10/a5-individual-bear- his-own-burdens.html • A4- Individuals bear their own burdens – Sports, High efficient spiritual growth, fall-save prevention ppp • https://discussion4disciple.blogspot.com/2020/10/a4-individuals-bear- their-own-burdens.html • A3- one bear his own burdens, diseases, Constipation, allergy, stroke, heart disease, cancer, malnutrition, depression ppp • https://discussion4disciple.blogspot.com/2020/10/a3-one-bear-his- own-burdens-diseases.html • A2 - Everyone must take care his own burden--body Self-care, internal organs, earth's magnetic field, Five Elements Fruits and Vegetables ppp • https://discussion4disciple.blogspot.com/2020/10/a2-everyone-must- take-care-his-own.html
  • 12. The attitude that should be-the relationship breaks down • A11 Reform marriage In the face of suffering, only the Bible, enter the truth, Awareness of marriage, strengthening the body ppp • https://discussion4disciple.blogspot.com/2020/10/a11-reform- marriage-in-face-of.html • A 9 The way of husband and wife Two united as one, leaving their parents, the third person, Respect and love, wash with water ppp • https://discussion4disciple.blogspot.com/2020/10/a-9-way-of- husband-and-wife-two-united.html • A8 - The world and depression Vitamins, minerals and depression God's Word and Depression ppp • https://discussion4disciple.blogspot.com/2020/10/a8-world-and- depression-vitamins.html
  • 13. Deserving attitude-grasping salvation • 16 Salvation 3/3, Become a little child, Paul daily living, Stick to the end, Once save, always save? ppp • https://discussion4disciple.blogspot.com/2020/09/16-salvation-33-become- little-child.html • 16 Salvation, rebirth 2/3 What is rebirth? How does rebirth happen? What are the characteristics of a reborn person? Why should we be born again? ppp • https://discussion4disciple.blogspot.com/2020/09/16-salvation-rebirth-23-what- is-rebirth.html • 16 Salvation 1/3, lottery, God’s effort to provide salvation How to get our salvation ppp • https://discussion4disciple.blogspot.com/2020/09/16-salvation-13-lottery-gods- effort-to.html • 16 Salvation diagram, Support roadbed, The way to salvation, The process of salvation ppp • https://discussion4disciple.blogspot.com/2020/09/16-salvation-diagram- support-roadbed.html
  • 14. contact method • https://discussion4disciple.blogspot.com/ • the above is the disciple training website , I have designed it according to what I know about the Bible, if there is any inconsistency with the Bible ,please do not hesitate to contact me if you want to start please start on the below webpage • ppp S Summary Guide for disciple training directory/usage • https://discussion4disciple.blogspot.com/2020/0 6/ppp-s-summary-guide-for-disciple.html • sdtsao2009@gmail.com