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A Little Talk about Sane Progress 
Jan Radil 
jan.radil@cesnet.cz 
CEF Networks 2014
A Little Talk about Sane Progress 
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We are tired after two days of technical topics. 
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This is the very last presentation. 
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And this is the 8th CEF Networks Workshop. 
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Was thinking about some off-topic themes. 
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Are we happy with the results of CEFs? 
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Are there any substantial proofs we are right? 
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So now...it is time for something completely different. 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 2
A Little Talk about Sane Progress 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 
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A Little Talk about Sane Progress The Opte Project, www.opte.org 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 4 
The Opte Image has always been free for non-commercial purposes and is covered under the creative commons license.
A Little Talk about Sane Progress The Opte Project, www.opte.org 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 5 
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A Little Talk about Sane Progress The Opte Project, www.opte.org 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 6 
plus some filtering in GIMP, www.gimp.org
A Little Talk about Sane Progress The Opte Project, www.opte.org 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 7 
plus some more filtering in GIMP, www.gimp.org
A Little Talk about Sane Progress http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u28ijlP6L6M 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 8 
Creative Commons Attribution license (reuse allowed).
A Little Talk about Sane Progress http://sixdegrees.hu/last.fm/index.html 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 9 
Reconstructing the structure of the world-wide music scene with Last.fm. 
Inspired by the Internet mapping efforts of the Opte Project, I decided to investigate how does the network of musicians look like. Basically: this is a graph representation of the similarity relationships derived from the database of Last.fm.
A Little Talk about Sane Progress http://sixdegrees.hu/last.fm/index.html 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 10 
Reconstructing the structure of the world-wide music scene with Last.fm.
A Little Talk about Sane Progress http://sixdegrees.hu/last.fm/index.html 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 11 
Reconstructing the structure of the world-wide music scene with Last.fm.
A Little Talk about Sane Progress http://sixdegrees.hu/last.fm/index.html 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 12 
Reconstructing the structure of the world-wide music scene with Last.fm. 
Great musicians are hidden in this diagram somewhere – really great artists but they are not mainstream. 
Can we find some similar diagram/graph?
A Little Talk about Sane Progress http://internet-map.net 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 13 
The Internet map is a non-commercial project. You can share my expenses and let more people see beauty of the Internet.
A Little Talk about Sane Progress http://internet-map.net 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 14 
The Internet map is a non-commercial project. You can share my expenses and let more people see beauty of the Internet.
A Little Talk about Sane Progress http://internet-map.net 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 15 
The Internet map is a non-commercial project. You can share my expenses and let more people see beauty of the Internet. 
Great webs are hidden in this diagram somewhere – really advanced but they are not mainstream. 
Can we find some similar diagram/graph once again?
A Little Talk about Sane Progress http://www.le.ac.uk/physics/faulkes/web/images/hrcolour.jpg 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 16 
The Hertzsprung–Russell diagram – stars.
A Little Talk about Sane Progress 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 17
A Little Talk about Sane Progress 
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Are there any similarities in these pictures? Stars, web pages/servers, musicians? 
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The same life-cycles? Giants, novas, dwarfs, black holes? 
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Deformated/transformed sunflowers – similar concepts used to overcome the Nyquist criterion with the Anamorphic Stretch Transform (M.H. Asghari, B.Jalali) 
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The AST used in 1931 by one S.Dalí La persistència de la memòria. 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 18
A Little Talk about Sane Progress 
S.Dalí La persistència de la memòria 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 19
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http://www.hybridcars.com/will-america-avoid-europes-clean-diesel- problems/ 
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The European Union admitted two months ago (Dec 2013) its emission policies have been ineffective for two decades. 
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Rising EU NOx levels despite quadruple-strength restrictions against them. 
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Janez Potocnik, member of the European Commission in charge of Environment said in December 2013 that since 1992 Euro 1 through Euro 5 regulations have failed to spur improved diesel emissions, particularly regarding NOx. 
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“The actual situation is such that the [emissions] performance on the street today its basically somewhere around the level of the standards that were set in Euro 1. This was by the way, in 1992.” 
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He said stricter “Euro 6” regulations to replace Euro 5 this September must correct this. 
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Really? Euro 6 will correct this? With ‚the air assisted urea injection‘? 
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http://ec.europa.eu/environment/air/pdf/clean_air/Impact_assessment_ en.pdf - this link does not work anymore 
15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 20 
A Little Talk about Sane Progress Automotive industry and dangerous emissions (not CO2)
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http://www.hybridcars.com/will-america-avoid-europes-clean-diesel- problems/ 
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The European Union admitted two months ago (Dec 2013) its emission policies have been ineffective for two decades. 
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Rising EU NOx levels despite quadruple-strength restrictions against them. 
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Janez Potocnik, member of the European Commission in charge of Environment said in December 2013 that since 1992 Euro 1 through Euro 5 regulations have failed to spur improved diesel emissions, particularly regarding NOx. 
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“The actual situation is such that the [emissions] performance on the street today its basically somewhere around the level of the standards that were set in Euro 1. This was by the way, in 1992.” 
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He said stricter “Euro 6” regulations to replace Euro 5 this September must correct this. 
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Really? Euro 6 will correct this? With ‚the air assisted urea injection‘? 
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http://ec.europa.eu/environment/air/pdf/clean_air/Impact_assessment_ en.pdf - this link does not work anymore 
15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 21 
A Little Talk about Sane Progress Automotive industry and dangerous emissions (not CO2)
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Clouds – something new or not? Security issues. Celebrities. ‚Much Ado About Nothing‘? 
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100G (and perhaps 400G) networks – compensation of chromatic dispersion, again? 
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Is 10x10G more expensive than 1x100G? Today? Or tomorrow? 
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What about Optical Transport Networks (OTN) – do we need it? Could we live with SONET/SDH today? 
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‚Habit is a second nature‘? 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 22 
A Little Talk about Sane Progress Now back to networking...
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Clouds – something new or not? Security issues. Celebrities and their photos. 
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Too ‚Much Ado About Nothing‘? 
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Just computers connected together. Or not? 
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Who is responsible and for what? 
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Criticism from Richard Stallman and Larry Ellis. 
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Ready for 100G->400G transition? 3000km vs 500km reach is reality. Do we move Clouds? 
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Do we need Clouds? Wise, rational, sane? 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 23 
A Little Talk about Sane Progress Clouds
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100G quite common in today. First coherent 100G systems in 2009. 
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Networks without compensation of chromatic dispersion not to limit 100G optical reach – THE recommendation from vendors. 
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Great, but 10G (non coherent) not possible to deploy. 
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So for distances more than 80km, only 100G coherent will work. 
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Can we have 100G anywhere? Can we afford it? Who will pay for this? Waste of (tax payers) money? 
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Wise, rational, sane? 
15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 24 
A Little Talk about Sane Progress 100G and 400G speeds
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Chongjin Xie, Bell Labs: Suppression of Inter-Channel Nonlinearities in WDM Coherent PDM-QPSK Systems Using Periodic-Group-Delay Dispersion Compensators, ECOC 2009, Paper P4.08. 
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Conclusions: We have shown that using PGD dispersion compensators in a dispersion-managed system can significantly improve the inter-channel nonlinear tolerance of coherent PDM-QPSK signals and make the dispersion-managed system perform better than the system with electronic dispersion compensation. 
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Periodic-Group-Delay Dispersion Compensators = new kind of compensators (PGD is not Dispersion Compensating Fibre DCF) 
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PGD is completely passive – it is just fibre, from few cm to few metres in length 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 25 
A Little Talk about Sane Progress 100G and 400G speeds
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A Little Talk about Sane Progress 100G and 400G speeds 
http://www.teraxion.com/images/stories/pdf/White_paper_HLDC_v5.pdf. Benoit Maheux-Lacroix, TeraXion, High Level Dispersion Compensator for Ultra Long-Haul Coherent Detection Links, 2012. 
Used with permission. 
Compensation of chromatic dispersion with Fibre Bragg Gratings FBG. This is not possible with DCFs.
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400G available today 
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Optical reach limited to 500-700km – want to be frank: CD plus noise. 
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They say you can‘t have both bandwidth and reach: 
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http://blog.infinera.com/2014/01/06/coherent-technology-you-cant-have- too-much-of-a-good-thing/#more-1073 (400G to 4x100G demultiplexing with OTN) 
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www.research.att.com/techdocs/TD_101176.pdf (reality we have to accept) 
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So your 100G network is designed for 2000km reach, with 400G upgrade you have 500km (numbers just examples) 
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What are you goint to do? 
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Move your Big Data Centres, Users,...? 
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Move CERN, FNAL, radiotelescopes arrays,...? 
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Deploy ‚400G regenerators‘ (back to back transponders - $$$$$$$$$$)? 
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Regenerators were used with 2.5G SDH/SONET systems back in 2000. Going in circles (ITU SDH -> ITU OTN)? Like air pollution back in 1992??? 
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Wise, rational, sane? 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 27 
A Little Talk about Sane Progress 400G speeds
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They say 10x10G is more expensive than 1x100G. 
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Yes or no? 10G transceiver $ vs 100G transceiver $$$. Usual prices. 
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But if 10G transceiver is made 15x more expensive than is usual, 100G may pay off. 
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Artificial increase of 10G prices – to make 100G a viable option today. Not valid for future of course. 
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Would you buy LEDs, apples or tyres 15x more expensive than usual prices? Waste of (tax payers) money? 
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Wise, rational, sane? 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 28 
A Little Talk about Sane Progress Is 10x10G more expensive than 1x100G? Today? Or tomorrow?
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OTN is very similar to SDH (ITU). 
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Perhaps OTN should be called SDHv3 (SDHv2 is SDH with LCAC/VCAT), timing (the synchronous feature) constraints more relaxed...OTN not so Synchronous anymore. 
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Is OTN super-high-speed PDH only? (PlesiochronousDH was before SynchronousDH). 
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Do we need it? They say it is necessary for subwavelength (less than 100G? 10G?) granularity. 
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But DWDM transceivers 1-10G are cheap and available for ‚subwavelength‘ granularity. OTN switch is not cheap. 
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Are we (NRENs) going to sell 100x1G ‚circuits‘ as known from Ethernet over SDH/SONET? If yes, we do need OTN. 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 29 
A Little Talk about Sane Progress What about Optical Transport Network (OTN) – is needed?
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One prime example - TCP over long distance. 
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Heard even during CEF2014 about issues with performance when connecting two end stations. 
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TCP? Writing/reading discs, memories? Something else? The root of all evil not known (not possible to repeat experiments etc etc). 
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To repeat experiments in some lab? To be sure what the problem is? 
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400GE – why not 200GE? Or 500GE? 4x from SONET...but 100% consensus in IEEE HSE 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 30 
A Little Talk about Sane Progress Other topics do exist
15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 31 
A Little Talk about Sane Progress ‚Habit is a second nature‘? 
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In Czech it is ‚Habit is an iron shirt‘. 
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Perhaps it should be an iron maiden:-)
15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 32 
A Little Talk about Sane Progress 
Thank you for patience.

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A little talk_about_sane_progress

  • 1. A Little Talk about Sane Progress Jan Radil jan.radil@cesnet.cz CEF Networks 2014
  • 2. A Little Talk about Sane Progress • We are tired after two days of technical topics. • This is the very last presentation. • And this is the 8th CEF Networks Workshop. • Was thinking about some off-topic themes. • Are we happy with the results of CEFs? • Are there any substantial proofs we are right? • So now...it is time for something completely different. 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 2
  • 3. A Little Talk about Sane Progress 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 3 Youtube.com
  • 4. A Little Talk about Sane Progress The Opte Project, www.opte.org 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 4 The Opte Image has always been free for non-commercial purposes and is covered under the creative commons license.
  • 5. A Little Talk about Sane Progress The Opte Project, www.opte.org 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 5 www.morguefile.com
  • 6. A Little Talk about Sane Progress The Opte Project, www.opte.org 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 6 plus some filtering in GIMP, www.gimp.org
  • 7. A Little Talk about Sane Progress The Opte Project, www.opte.org 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 7 plus some more filtering in GIMP, www.gimp.org
  • 8. A Little Talk about Sane Progress http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u28ijlP6L6M 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 8 Creative Commons Attribution license (reuse allowed).
  • 9. A Little Talk about Sane Progress http://sixdegrees.hu/last.fm/index.html 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 9 Reconstructing the structure of the world-wide music scene with Last.fm. Inspired by the Internet mapping efforts of the Opte Project, I decided to investigate how does the network of musicians look like. Basically: this is a graph representation of the similarity relationships derived from the database of Last.fm.
  • 10. A Little Talk about Sane Progress http://sixdegrees.hu/last.fm/index.html 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 10 Reconstructing the structure of the world-wide music scene with Last.fm.
  • 11. A Little Talk about Sane Progress http://sixdegrees.hu/last.fm/index.html 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 11 Reconstructing the structure of the world-wide music scene with Last.fm.
  • 12. A Little Talk about Sane Progress http://sixdegrees.hu/last.fm/index.html 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 12 Reconstructing the structure of the world-wide music scene with Last.fm. Great musicians are hidden in this diagram somewhere – really great artists but they are not mainstream. Can we find some similar diagram/graph?
  • 13. A Little Talk about Sane Progress http://internet-map.net 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 13 The Internet map is a non-commercial project. You can share my expenses and let more people see beauty of the Internet.
  • 14. A Little Talk about Sane Progress http://internet-map.net 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 14 The Internet map is a non-commercial project. You can share my expenses and let more people see beauty of the Internet.
  • 15. A Little Talk about Sane Progress http://internet-map.net 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 15 The Internet map is a non-commercial project. You can share my expenses and let more people see beauty of the Internet. Great webs are hidden in this diagram somewhere – really advanced but they are not mainstream. Can we find some similar diagram/graph once again?
  • 16. A Little Talk about Sane Progress http://www.le.ac.uk/physics/faulkes/web/images/hrcolour.jpg 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 16 The Hertzsprung–Russell diagram – stars.
  • 17. A Little Talk about Sane Progress 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 17
  • 18. A Little Talk about Sane Progress • Are there any similarities in these pictures? Stars, web pages/servers, musicians? • The same life-cycles? Giants, novas, dwarfs, black holes? • Deformated/transformed sunflowers – similar concepts used to overcome the Nyquist criterion with the Anamorphic Stretch Transform (M.H. Asghari, B.Jalali) – The AST used in 1931 by one S.Dalí La persistència de la memòria. 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 18
  • 19. A Little Talk about Sane Progress S.Dalí La persistència de la memòria 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 19
  • 20. • http://www.hybridcars.com/will-america-avoid-europes-clean-diesel- problems/ • The European Union admitted two months ago (Dec 2013) its emission policies have been ineffective for two decades. • Rising EU NOx levels despite quadruple-strength restrictions against them. • Janez Potocnik, member of the European Commission in charge of Environment said in December 2013 that since 1992 Euro 1 through Euro 5 regulations have failed to spur improved diesel emissions, particularly regarding NOx. • “The actual situation is such that the [emissions] performance on the street today its basically somewhere around the level of the standards that were set in Euro 1. This was by the way, in 1992.” • He said stricter “Euro 6” regulations to replace Euro 5 this September must correct this. • Really? Euro 6 will correct this? With ‚the air assisted urea injection‘? • http://ec.europa.eu/environment/air/pdf/clean_air/Impact_assessment_ en.pdf - this link does not work anymore 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 20 A Little Talk about Sane Progress Automotive industry and dangerous emissions (not CO2)
  • 21. • http://www.hybridcars.com/will-america-avoid-europes-clean-diesel- problems/ • The European Union admitted two months ago (Dec 2013) its emission policies have been ineffective for two decades. • Rising EU NOx levels despite quadruple-strength restrictions against them. • Janez Potocnik, member of the European Commission in charge of Environment said in December 2013 that since 1992 Euro 1 through Euro 5 regulations have failed to spur improved diesel emissions, particularly regarding NOx. • “The actual situation is such that the [emissions] performance on the street today its basically somewhere around the level of the standards that were set in Euro 1. This was by the way, in 1992.” • He said stricter “Euro 6” regulations to replace Euro 5 this September must correct this. • Really? Euro 6 will correct this? With ‚the air assisted urea injection‘? • http://ec.europa.eu/environment/air/pdf/clean_air/Impact_assessment_ en.pdf - this link does not work anymore 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 21 A Little Talk about Sane Progress Automotive industry and dangerous emissions (not CO2)
  • 22. • Clouds – something new or not? Security issues. Celebrities. ‚Much Ado About Nothing‘? • 100G (and perhaps 400G) networks – compensation of chromatic dispersion, again? • Is 10x10G more expensive than 1x100G? Today? Or tomorrow? • What about Optical Transport Networks (OTN) – do we need it? Could we live with SONET/SDH today? • ‚Habit is a second nature‘? 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 22 A Little Talk about Sane Progress Now back to networking...
  • 23. • Clouds – something new or not? Security issues. Celebrities and their photos. • Too ‚Much Ado About Nothing‘? • Just computers connected together. Or not? • Who is responsible and for what? • Criticism from Richard Stallman and Larry Ellis. • Ready for 100G->400G transition? 3000km vs 500km reach is reality. Do we move Clouds? • Do we need Clouds? Wise, rational, sane? 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 23 A Little Talk about Sane Progress Clouds
  • 24. • 100G quite common in today. First coherent 100G systems in 2009. • Networks without compensation of chromatic dispersion not to limit 100G optical reach – THE recommendation from vendors. • Great, but 10G (non coherent) not possible to deploy. • So for distances more than 80km, only 100G coherent will work. • Can we have 100G anywhere? Can we afford it? Who will pay for this? Waste of (tax payers) money? • Wise, rational, sane? 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 24 A Little Talk about Sane Progress 100G and 400G speeds
  • 25. • Chongjin Xie, Bell Labs: Suppression of Inter-Channel Nonlinearities in WDM Coherent PDM-QPSK Systems Using Periodic-Group-Delay Dispersion Compensators, ECOC 2009, Paper P4.08. • Conclusions: We have shown that using PGD dispersion compensators in a dispersion-managed system can significantly improve the inter-channel nonlinear tolerance of coherent PDM-QPSK signals and make the dispersion-managed system perform better than the system with electronic dispersion compensation. • Periodic-Group-Delay Dispersion Compensators = new kind of compensators (PGD is not Dispersion Compensating Fibre DCF) • PGD is completely passive – it is just fibre, from few cm to few metres in length 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 25 A Little Talk about Sane Progress 100G and 400G speeds
  • 26. 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 26 A Little Talk about Sane Progress 100G and 400G speeds http://www.teraxion.com/images/stories/pdf/White_paper_HLDC_v5.pdf. Benoit Maheux-Lacroix, TeraXion, High Level Dispersion Compensator for Ultra Long-Haul Coherent Detection Links, 2012. Used with permission. Compensation of chromatic dispersion with Fibre Bragg Gratings FBG. This is not possible with DCFs.
  • 27. • 400G available today • Optical reach limited to 500-700km – want to be frank: CD plus noise. • They say you can‘t have both bandwidth and reach: – http://blog.infinera.com/2014/01/06/coherent-technology-you-cant-have- too-much-of-a-good-thing/#more-1073 (400G to 4x100G demultiplexing with OTN) – www.research.att.com/techdocs/TD_101176.pdf (reality we have to accept) • So your 100G network is designed for 2000km reach, with 400G upgrade you have 500km (numbers just examples) • What are you goint to do? • Move your Big Data Centres, Users,...? • Move CERN, FNAL, radiotelescopes arrays,...? • Deploy ‚400G regenerators‘ (back to back transponders - $$$$$$$$$$)? • Regenerators were used with 2.5G SDH/SONET systems back in 2000. Going in circles (ITU SDH -> ITU OTN)? Like air pollution back in 1992??? • Wise, rational, sane? 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 27 A Little Talk about Sane Progress 400G speeds
  • 28. • They say 10x10G is more expensive than 1x100G. • Yes or no? 10G transceiver $ vs 100G transceiver $$$. Usual prices. • But if 10G transceiver is made 15x more expensive than is usual, 100G may pay off. • Artificial increase of 10G prices – to make 100G a viable option today. Not valid for future of course. • Would you buy LEDs, apples or tyres 15x more expensive than usual prices? Waste of (tax payers) money? • Wise, rational, sane? 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 28 A Little Talk about Sane Progress Is 10x10G more expensive than 1x100G? Today? Or tomorrow?
  • 29. • OTN is very similar to SDH (ITU). • Perhaps OTN should be called SDHv3 (SDHv2 is SDH with LCAC/VCAT), timing (the synchronous feature) constraints more relaxed...OTN not so Synchronous anymore. • Is OTN super-high-speed PDH only? (PlesiochronousDH was before SynchronousDH). • Do we need it? They say it is necessary for subwavelength (less than 100G? 10G?) granularity. • But DWDM transceivers 1-10G are cheap and available for ‚subwavelength‘ granularity. OTN switch is not cheap. • Are we (NRENs) going to sell 100x1G ‚circuits‘ as known from Ethernet over SDH/SONET? If yes, we do need OTN. 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 29 A Little Talk about Sane Progress What about Optical Transport Network (OTN) – is needed?
  • 30. • One prime example - TCP over long distance. • Heard even during CEF2014 about issues with performance when connecting two end stations. • TCP? Writing/reading discs, memories? Something else? The root of all evil not known (not possible to repeat experiments etc etc). • To repeat experiments in some lab? To be sure what the problem is? • 400GE – why not 200GE? Or 500GE? 4x from SONET...but 100% consensus in IEEE HSE 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 30 A Little Talk about Sane Progress Other topics do exist
  • 31. 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 31 A Little Talk about Sane Progress ‚Habit is a second nature‘? • In Czech it is ‚Habit is an iron shirt‘. – Perhaps it should be an iron maiden:-)
  • 32. 15-16 September, 2014 CEF Networks Workshop, Praha 32 A Little Talk about Sane Progress Thank you for patience.