A Delicate Matter
          Requires a Different Approach
Would Jesus Invite Openly Gay Persons to Join Our


Faith Village?
Sign or No Sign?
BAZINGA!!!


Sign or No Sign?
The risk of causing someone to think
they weren’t welcome here trumped
the risk of a stranger getting hurt
and suing our church.
PRIVATE
    PROPERTY
  We reserve the right to
decide who can come here.
PRIVATE
              PROPERTY
            We reserve the right to
          decide who can come here.



Isn’t this our God-given responsibility?
EPHESIANS 2 18 Through Christ we both come to the Father by the power of
one Holy Spirit. 19 So you are no longer strangers and outsiders. You are citizens
together with God's people. You are members of God's family. 20 You are a building
that is built on the apostles and prophets. They are the foundation. Christ Jesus
himself is the most important stone in the building. 21 The whole building is
held together by him. It rises to become a holy temple because it belongs to the
Lord. 22 And because you belong to him, you too are being built together. You are
being made into a house where God lives through his Spirit.
MARK 2
          15 Later Jesus was having dinner at Levi's
         house. Many tax collectors and "sinners" were
         eating with him and his disciples. They were
         part of the large crowd following Jesus.
          16 Some teachers of the law who were
         Pharisees were there. They saw Jesus eating
         with "sinners" and tax collectors. So they
         asked his disciples, "Why does he eat with
         tax collectors and 'sinners'?"
          17 Jesus heard that. So he said to them,
         "Those who are healthy don't need a doctor.
         Sick people do. I have not come to get those
         who think they are right with God to follow
         me. I have come to get sinners to follow me."
There Is No Difference.
Yet We Act Like There Is
There Is No Difference.
Yet We Act Like There Is
All sin. All fail to trust God. All fall short.
(Romans 3)
There Is No Difference.
Yet We Act Like There Is
All sin. All fail to trust God. All fall short.
(Romans 3)
Pharisees believed this, yet behaved as if
some sinners should be judged,
despised, avoided, and excluded.
There Is No Difference.
Yet We Act Like There Is
All sin. All fail to trust God. All fall short.
(Romans 3)
Pharisees believed this, yet behaved as if
some sinners should be judged,
despised, avoided, and excluded.
What kind of people today know that
they would be persona non grata in
most Evangelical churches?
But is just being gay sinful?
But is just being gay sinful?
 Jesus didn’t. Paul did.
But is just being gay sinful?
 Jesus didn’t. Paul did.
   Romans 1:18-2:1 (cf. 1Cor 6:18-20)
But is just being gay sinful?
 Jesus didn’t. Paul did.
   Romans 1:18-2:1 (cf. 1Cor 6:18-20)
   Same-sex behavior (v.26-27)
But is just being gay sinful?
 Jesus didn’t. Paul did.
   Romans 1:18-2:1 (cf. 1Cor 6:18-20)
   Same-sex behavior (v.26-27)
 But is same-sex orientation a sin,
 especially if a person truly believes this
 wasn’t a choice?
But is just being gay sinful?
 Jesus didn’t. Paul did.
   Romans 1:18-2:1 (cf. 1Cor 6:18-20)
   Same-sex behavior (v.26-27)
 But is same-sex orientation a sin,
 especially if a person truly believes this
 wasn’t a choice?
 People born straight still struggle with
 sin; no different if a person is ‘born’
 gay. Sin is a problem for us all.
The Choice to Follow Jesus



                             JC
The Choice to Follow Jesus
A Clear CHOICE




                             JC
The Choice to Follow Jesus
A Clear CHOICE
Out of everybody who’s
straight or gay, only a
small percentage
have made this choice        JC
The Choice to Follow Jesus
A Clear CHOICE
Out of everybody who’s
straight or gay, only a
small percentage
have made this choice        JC
Different...
  ATTITUDES
  DESIRES
  DIRECTION
Very Limited Audience


                        Christians



                                 Gays
Very Limited Audience
✦Not everybody in the world

                              Christians



                                       Gays
Very Limited Audience
✦Not everybody in the world
✦Not even all Christians
                              Christians



                                       Gays
Very Limited Audience
✦Not everybody in the world
✦Not even all Christians
 ‣ Not very conservative or very liberal
                                           Christians



                                                    Gays
Very Limited Audience
✦Not everybody in the world
✦Not even all Christians
 ‣ Not very conservative or very liberal
 • Those looking for ways to lead with the
                                                Christians
   love of Jesus and to live in God-honoring
   ways with fellow strugglers and stragglers



                                                         Gays
Very Limited Audience
✦Not everybody in the world
✦Not even all Christians
 ‣ Not very conservative or very liberal
 • Those looking for ways to lead with the
                                                Christians
   love of Jesus and to live in God-honoring
   ways with fellow strugglers and stragglers

✦Not most gay people
                                                         Gays
Very Limited Audience
✦Not everybody in the world
✦Not even all Christians
 ‣ Not very conservative or very liberal
 • Those looking for ways to lead with the
                                                Christians
   love of Jesus and to live in God-honoring
   ways with fellow strugglers and stragglers

✦Not most gay people
 ‣ Not those who want to follow their desires            Gays
Very Limited Audience
✦Not everybody in the world
✦Not even all Christians
 ‣ Not very conservative or very liberal
 • Those looking for ways to lead with the
                                                Christians
   love of Jesus and to live in God-honoring
   ways with fellow strugglers and stragglers

✦Not most gay people
 ‣ Not those who want to follow their desires            Gays
 • Some (Christian & Seekers) looking for
   ways that Jesus promises to bring deeper
   fulfillment and joy to their lives
Our Common Struggle with Sexuality
Our Common Struggle with Sexuality
• Part of the choice to follow Jesus is to yield our sexuality to Him
Our Common Struggle with Sexuality
• Part of the choice to follow Jesus is to yield our sexuality to Him
• Discipline of Sexual Constraint is part of every Christian’s new life
Our Understanding and Application of
SEXUAL CONSTRAINT




                          *unique challenges for Christians who are gay
Our Understanding and Application of
SEXUAL CONSTRAINT
 For all teens and single adults
     Chastity
     Purity
     Celibacy*




                                   *unique challenges for Christians who are gay
Our Understanding and Application of
SEXUAL CONSTRAINT
 For all teens and single adults
     Chastity
     Purity
     Celibacy*
 For all married adults
     Faithfulness, monogamy,
     covenant-bond until death

                                   *unique challenges for Christians who are gay
Our Understanding and Application of
SEXUAL CONSTRAINT
 For all teens and single adults   COMPLICATIONS
     Chastity                         Libido/Lust
     Purity                           Mistakes & Rebellions
     Celibacy*                        Divorce & Remarriage
 For all married adults               Loneliness
     Faithfulness, monogamy,          Same-sex Covenant
     covenant-bond until death        Partnerships*

                                       *unique challenges for Christians who are gay
Would Jesus invite openly gay persons
to join our Faith Village?
Would Jesus invite openly gay persons
to join our Faith Village?
SIN - Nobody is righteous, not one
Would Jesus invite openly gay persons
to join our Faith Village?
SIN - Nobody is righteous, not one
LOVE - Jesus sees every sinner as
worth loving, saving and belonging
Would Jesus invite openly gay persons
to join our Faith Village?
SIN - Nobody is righteous, not one
LOVE - Jesus sees every sinner as
worth loving, saving and belonging

CHOICE - Some sinners decide to trust
Jesus more than anyone or anything else
Would Jesus invite openly gay persons
to join our Faith Village?


                                                 ?
SIN - Nobody is righteous, not one
                                                 ?
LOVE - Jesus sees every sinner as
                                             ?
worth loving, saving and belonging
                                                 ?       ?
CHOICE - Some sinners decide to trust        ?
                                             ?    ?
                                                 ??
                                             ??
Jesus more than anyone or anything else
                                                     ?
CHURCH - Where Jesus sends sinners                   ?
to get grace and guidance on leading lives
that are consistent with their choice to
trust and follow Him
This church
  belongs to Jesus
“Come to Me, all you who are weary and
 burdened, and I will give you rest. Take
 My yoke upon you and learn from Me,
for I am gentle and humble in heart, and
 you will find rest for your souls. For My
  yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
             Matthew 11:28-29

A Delicate Matter

  • 1.
    A Delicate Matter Requires a Different Approach
  • 4.
    Would Jesus InviteOpenly Gay Persons to Join Our Faith Village?
  • 5.
  • 6.
    BAZINGA!!! Sign or NoSign? The risk of causing someone to think they weren’t welcome here trumped the risk of a stranger getting hurt and suing our church.
  • 7.
    PRIVATE PROPERTY We reserve the right to decide who can come here.
  • 8.
    PRIVATE PROPERTY We reserve the right to decide who can come here. Isn’t this our God-given responsibility?
  • 10.
    EPHESIANS 2 18Through Christ we both come to the Father by the power of one Holy Spirit. 19 So you are no longer strangers and outsiders. You are citizens together with God's people. You are members of God's family. 20 You are a building that is built on the apostles and prophets. They are the foundation. Christ Jesus himself is the most important stone in the building. 21 The whole building is held together by him. It rises to become a holy temple because it belongs to the Lord. 22 And because you belong to him, you too are being built together. You are being made into a house where God lives through his Spirit.
  • 11.
    MARK 2 15 Later Jesus was having dinner at Levi's house. Many tax collectors and "sinners" were eating with him and his disciples. They were part of the large crowd following Jesus.  16 Some teachers of the law who were Pharisees were there. They saw Jesus eating with "sinners" and tax collectors. So they asked his disciples, "Why does he eat with tax collectors and 'sinners'?"  17 Jesus heard that. So he said to them, "Those who are healthy don't need a doctor. Sick people do. I have not come to get those who think they are right with God to follow me. I have come to get sinners to follow me."
  • 12.
    There Is NoDifference. Yet We Act Like There Is
  • 13.
    There Is NoDifference. Yet We Act Like There Is All sin. All fail to trust God. All fall short. (Romans 3)
  • 14.
    There Is NoDifference. Yet We Act Like There Is All sin. All fail to trust God. All fall short. (Romans 3) Pharisees believed this, yet behaved as if some sinners should be judged, despised, avoided, and excluded.
  • 15.
    There Is NoDifference. Yet We Act Like There Is All sin. All fail to trust God. All fall short. (Romans 3) Pharisees believed this, yet behaved as if some sinners should be judged, despised, avoided, and excluded. What kind of people today know that they would be persona non grata in most Evangelical churches?
  • 16.
    But is justbeing gay sinful?
  • 17.
    But is justbeing gay sinful? Jesus didn’t. Paul did.
  • 18.
    But is justbeing gay sinful? Jesus didn’t. Paul did. Romans 1:18-2:1 (cf. 1Cor 6:18-20)
  • 19.
    But is justbeing gay sinful? Jesus didn’t. Paul did. Romans 1:18-2:1 (cf. 1Cor 6:18-20) Same-sex behavior (v.26-27)
  • 20.
    But is justbeing gay sinful? Jesus didn’t. Paul did. Romans 1:18-2:1 (cf. 1Cor 6:18-20) Same-sex behavior (v.26-27) But is same-sex orientation a sin, especially if a person truly believes this wasn’t a choice?
  • 21.
    But is justbeing gay sinful? Jesus didn’t. Paul did. Romans 1:18-2:1 (cf. 1Cor 6:18-20) Same-sex behavior (v.26-27) But is same-sex orientation a sin, especially if a person truly believes this wasn’t a choice? People born straight still struggle with sin; no different if a person is ‘born’ gay. Sin is a problem for us all.
  • 22.
    The Choice toFollow Jesus JC
  • 23.
    The Choice toFollow Jesus A Clear CHOICE JC
  • 24.
    The Choice toFollow Jesus A Clear CHOICE Out of everybody who’s straight or gay, only a small percentage have made this choice JC
  • 25.
    The Choice toFollow Jesus A Clear CHOICE Out of everybody who’s straight or gay, only a small percentage have made this choice JC Different... ATTITUDES DESIRES DIRECTION
  • 26.
    Very Limited Audience Christians Gays
  • 27.
    Very Limited Audience ✦Noteverybody in the world Christians Gays
  • 28.
    Very Limited Audience ✦Noteverybody in the world ✦Not even all Christians Christians Gays
  • 29.
    Very Limited Audience ✦Noteverybody in the world ✦Not even all Christians ‣ Not very conservative or very liberal Christians Gays
  • 30.
    Very Limited Audience ✦Noteverybody in the world ✦Not even all Christians ‣ Not very conservative or very liberal • Those looking for ways to lead with the Christians love of Jesus and to live in God-honoring ways with fellow strugglers and stragglers Gays
  • 31.
    Very Limited Audience ✦Noteverybody in the world ✦Not even all Christians ‣ Not very conservative or very liberal • Those looking for ways to lead with the Christians love of Jesus and to live in God-honoring ways with fellow strugglers and stragglers ✦Not most gay people Gays
  • 32.
    Very Limited Audience ✦Noteverybody in the world ✦Not even all Christians ‣ Not very conservative or very liberal • Those looking for ways to lead with the Christians love of Jesus and to live in God-honoring ways with fellow strugglers and stragglers ✦Not most gay people ‣ Not those who want to follow their desires Gays
  • 33.
    Very Limited Audience ✦Noteverybody in the world ✦Not even all Christians ‣ Not very conservative or very liberal • Those looking for ways to lead with the Christians love of Jesus and to live in God-honoring ways with fellow strugglers and stragglers ✦Not most gay people ‣ Not those who want to follow their desires Gays • Some (Christian & Seekers) looking for ways that Jesus promises to bring deeper fulfillment and joy to their lives
  • 34.
    Our Common Strugglewith Sexuality
  • 35.
    Our Common Strugglewith Sexuality • Part of the choice to follow Jesus is to yield our sexuality to Him
  • 36.
    Our Common Strugglewith Sexuality • Part of the choice to follow Jesus is to yield our sexuality to Him • Discipline of Sexual Constraint is part of every Christian’s new life
  • 37.
    Our Understanding andApplication of SEXUAL CONSTRAINT *unique challenges for Christians who are gay
  • 38.
    Our Understanding andApplication of SEXUAL CONSTRAINT For all teens and single adults Chastity Purity Celibacy* *unique challenges for Christians who are gay
  • 39.
    Our Understanding andApplication of SEXUAL CONSTRAINT For all teens and single adults Chastity Purity Celibacy* For all married adults Faithfulness, monogamy, covenant-bond until death *unique challenges for Christians who are gay
  • 40.
    Our Understanding andApplication of SEXUAL CONSTRAINT For all teens and single adults COMPLICATIONS Chastity Libido/Lust Purity Mistakes & Rebellions Celibacy* Divorce & Remarriage For all married adults Loneliness Faithfulness, monogamy, Same-sex Covenant covenant-bond until death Partnerships* *unique challenges for Christians who are gay
  • 41.
    Would Jesus inviteopenly gay persons to join our Faith Village?
  • 42.
    Would Jesus inviteopenly gay persons to join our Faith Village? SIN - Nobody is righteous, not one
  • 43.
    Would Jesus inviteopenly gay persons to join our Faith Village? SIN - Nobody is righteous, not one LOVE - Jesus sees every sinner as worth loving, saving and belonging
  • 44.
    Would Jesus inviteopenly gay persons to join our Faith Village? SIN - Nobody is righteous, not one LOVE - Jesus sees every sinner as worth loving, saving and belonging CHOICE - Some sinners decide to trust Jesus more than anyone or anything else
  • 45.
    Would Jesus inviteopenly gay persons to join our Faith Village? ? SIN - Nobody is righteous, not one ? LOVE - Jesus sees every sinner as ? worth loving, saving and belonging ? ? CHOICE - Some sinners decide to trust ? ? ? ?? ?? Jesus more than anyone or anything else ? CHURCH - Where Jesus sends sinners ? to get grace and guidance on leading lives that are consistent with their choice to trust and follow Him
  • 46.
    This church belongs to Jesus “Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.” Matthew 11:28-29