Yura rt proceedings

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1 SUPERIOR COURT OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
2 FOR THE COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES
3 DEPARTMENT NO. 17 HON. RICHARD E. RICO, JUDGE
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5 STEPHEN M. GAGGERO, )
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6 Plaintiff, )
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) No. BC286924
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KNAPP, PETERSEN AND CLARKE, ET AL., )
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Defendants. )
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12 REPORTER'S TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS
13 AUGUST 27, 2012
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15 A P P E A R A N C E S:
16 FOR THE PLAINTIFF: BLECHER & COLLINS
BY: HOWARD K. ALPERIN, ESQ.
17 T. GIOVANNI ARBUCCI, ESQ.
Suite 1750
18 515 S. Figueroa Street
Los Angeles, California 90071
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20 FOR THE DEFENDANT: MILLER LLP
BY: AUSTA WAKILY, ESQ.
21 City National Plaza Suite 2150
515 South Flower Street
22 Los Angeles, California 90071
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24 ATKINSON-BAKER, INC.
25 COURT REPORTERS
(800) 288-3376
26 www.depo.com
27 REPORTED BY: MARGARET McVEY, CSR NO. 4746
28 FILE NO. A607FBD

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1 CASE NUMBER: BC286924
2 CASE NAME: GAGGERO V. KNAPP
3 LOS ANGELES, CA August 27, 2012
4 DEPARTMENT 17 HON. RICHARD E. RICO, JUDGE
5 APPEARANCES: (AS HERETOFORE NOTED.)
6 REPORTER: MARGARET MCVEY, CSR NO. #4746
7 TIME: 8:48 A.M.
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9 THE COURT: All right, on Gaggero versus Knapp,
10 Petersen.
11 MR. ARBUCCI: Your Honor, Mr. Alperin, who is doing
12 the argument on this motion, is in another hearing in
13 Department 50. He said he's going to be down here as soon
14 as he can, and we can, perhaps, put it off until he gets
15 here?
16 THE COURT: All right.
17 MR. ARBUCCI: Thank you, your Honor.
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19 (A recess was taken while other unrelated
20 matters were heard by the Court.)
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22 THE COURT: On Gaggero versus Knapp, Petersen.
23 MS. WAKILY: Good morning, Austa Wakily appearing
24 for defendants Knapp, Petersen, and Clarke.
25 MR. ALPERIN: Good morning, your Honor, Howard
26 Alperin for the Plaintiff, Stephen Gaggero.
27 THE COURT: All right. This is a motion to compel.
28 I believe I've spoken with the attorneys about this

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1 before.
2 Do you wish to be heard?
3 MR. ALPERIN: I guess, being the Plaintiff, given
4 the nature of the tentative, I'd like to be heard, your
5 Honor.
6 THE COURT: All right, just briefly, because I have
7 looked it over. Seems to me they're entitled to some of
8 the stuff.
9 MR. ALPERIN: Well, I'll listen to the Court's
10 direction on this, your Honor, but seeking trust formation
11 documents that are not within our client's control --
12 THE COURT: Well, just giving them to an accountant
13 doesn't make them out of your client's control.
14 MR. ALPERIN: He's not an accountant, your Honor.
15 He's a professional trustee. And Mr. Praske clearly
16 states in his declaration -- it's not refuted -- that
17 Mr. Gaggero does not have the documents, has never had the
18 documents.
19 They've served the subpoena on Mr. Praske.
20 They've not followed through with that. These documents
21 are not within our client's care, custody, and control.
22 He's testified in his declaration he's never had them.
23 The statements by his prior counsel at the hearing
24 attached to the declaration --
25 THE COURT: Okay. Let me stop you there. So what
26 do you say?
27 MS. WAKILY: Your Honor, they haven't stated in the
28 declaration that Mr. Gaggero has attempted to get the

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1 documents from Mr. Praske or that Mr. Praske is not his
2 estate planning attorney. That's his role. And he
3 testified in the underlying lawsuit as a witness for the
4 Plaintiff.
5 THE COURT: All right. That's fine. There you go.
6 So that's what I'm faced with when I read these things.
7 MR. ALPERIN: I understand that, your Honor. We've
8 stated in the opposition that no one is relying upon these
9 documents. At the trial they relied upon other documents.
10 That's a matter of public record. Plaintiff's --
11 defendant's counsel is seeking these documents, as we
12 state, for purposes of their collection in another matter,
13 not for this matter. And secondarily, your Honor --
14 THE COURT: Well --
15 MR. ALPERIN: -- with regard to these documents, the
16 broad scope of the request, it's not a function of the
17 trust formation documents, which Mr. Praske has an
18 obligation to protect beneficiaries and trustees, that
19 Mr. Gaggero is not a beneficiary as testified.
20 THE COURT: Let me stop you there because we can
21 just go on and on. Look -- so, taking what you say at
22 face value, and that's the reason I'm ruling the way I'm
23 going to rule. Fine. You want to put in your declaration
24 there's no way, no how we can get the documents, and the
25 other side will be entitled to evidentiary sanctions which
26 I will impose.
27 MR. ALPERIN: And we've placed that in our papers,
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1 THE COURT: Then that's what will happen. But first
2 we have to go through this process here. They make the
3 request, I grant it. You say no way, no how we have them,
4 there's nothing we can do, under oath, et cetera, et
5 cetera, in the responses to discovery, then I will grant
6 them eventual evidentiary sanctions upon what your client
7 can and cannot say during the course of the trial. Very
8 simple.
9 MR. ALPERIN: Then I would respectfully request,
10 your Honor, that we have an opportunity to provide
11 supplemental responses in view of the Court's order.
12 THE COURT: I'm granting their request. If you want
13 to give them now some stuff and some documents and some
14 information, that's fine, and we'll see how far it goes.
15 And they can make a request that you -- well, I'm not
16 going to speculate as to what they're going to do. But
17 let's see what happens.
18 But I think at first cut, they're entitled to
19 this information, the way I see it. And you do your best
20 to respond to that. Okay? I mean I understand what your
21 position is.
22 MR. ALPERIN: Well --
23 THE COURT: Just let it go at that.
24 MR. ALPERIN: -- secondarily, your Honor, I'd like
25 to address the issue of sanctions in that, you know, we
26 produced as we stated.
27 THE COURT: All right.
28 MR. ALPERIN: And that --

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1 THE COURT: Well, I'm not big on sanctions, so -- at
2 first cut.
3 What do you say to that, Counsel?
4 MS. WAKILY: Your Honor, the conduct in this case, I
5 think, clearly warrants sanctions. They gave us an
6 amended privilege log after six weeks, and all they did
7 was insert the words "Gaggero versus Yura" in each entry,
8 and there was no reason for that level of delay.
9 We spent a lot of time trying to get them to
10 cooperate and produce all these documents and supplement
11 the amended privilege log months ago, and all it's done is
12 cost our client a lot of money, and especially the very
13 disorganized document production and the failure to
14 identify documents that are responsive.
15 THE COURT: That's right. I forgot about that.
16 MR. ALPERIN: But I'd like to address that, your
17 Honor.
18 THE COURT: Sure. Go ahead.
19 MR. ALPERIN: Two specific events on that: Our lead
20 paralegal that was handling this case -- I know it still
21 falls on the attorney -- but he was engaged in an
22 eight-week trial in Santa Barbara in which half our office
23 was engaged, so there's a legitimate reason that there was
24 some delay in there.
25 We produced the --
26 THE COURT: Well --
27 MR. ALPERIN: No. It's a legitimate factor, your
28 Honor. I'm not making light of it. I have never told

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1 Ms. Wakily that we were not going to give her an amended
2 privilege log, but it takes time to put the stuff
3 together.
4 THE COURT: Again, sorry to interrupt, but what
5 about the manner in which the documents were produced?
6 Because I was going to come up with a different solution,
7 but --
8 MR. ALPERIN: Well, we stated very clearly in the
9 declarations, your Honor -- and I've tried to address this
10 to the Court -- Mr. Gaggero provided to his counsel,
11 Mr. Chatfield, the documents; the documents were provided
12 to us in the way they were kept in the ordinary care, and
13 that's the way they were produced except for the documents
14 that were withheld on the basis of the privilege log that
15 were identified in the privilege log.
16 And we have specifically stated -- and it's in
17 one of the exhibits from Ms. Peters from our office --
18 that no documents have been withheld on any basis that's
19 not asserted on the privilege log, so it was basically
20 from one place to another to production.
21 THE COURT: Well, okay. What do you say?
22 MS. WAKILY: That makes all of this even more
23 confusing. I mean they're saying financial documents are
24 withheld and they're identified in the privilege log, but
25 I can't tell from reviewing this where those documents
26 are.
27 All that it says is "Gaggero vs. Yura
28 Litigation," so -- and there's nothing withheld on -- I

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1 have no idea what's being withheld at this point.
2 And Ms. Peters states that the -- by the
3 documents withheld, financial documents are identified in
4 the privilege log. I cannot -- I've looked and I cannot
5 find out where those documents are.
6 MR. ALPERIN: Your Honor, to the extent that
7 Ms. Wakily is saying what I said in chambers about
8 Mr. Praske, his testimony, when we reset the hearing date
9 on this, Ms. Wakily said that she would sent me a new
10 meet-and-confer letter regarding the amended privilege
11 log. No letter was sent until the motion was filed, and I
12 still don't know from the motion what is being complained
13 of in the privilege log. But if there are issues with the
14 privilege log that need to be addressed, we'll address
15 them.
16 THE COURT: Let's do this. As I said I'm not big on
17 sanctions, but I do set them out to encourage the parties
18 to -- well, I guess -- further meet and confer.
19 But as to the substance of my tentative, I'm
20 going to stick with it. I'll strike the sanctions at this
21 point. But you're ordered to meet and confer and figure
22 out this issue with the privilege log.
23 Also, I'm still not convinced about the way
24 the documents were kept, quite frankly. I understand what
25 you're saying. But you're ordered to meet and confer
26 about that. And if there is no resolution, if there's
27 still an issue regarding the privilege log and/or the
28 manner in which these documents were produced, then I'll

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1 reconsider the sanctions. But the substance of my
2 tentative will stand. That will be the Court's order.
3 MS. WAKILY: I'm sorry to interrupt, your Honor.
4 Can I just get one clarification? I know that we have two
5 entries identified as an example, but we respectfully
6 request if the Court can extend that to all entries that
7 are undated or where there's an unknown author and where
8 applicable --
9 THE COURT: Meet and confer. Let's get that
10 resolved. If you can resolve it, great, there will be no
11 sanctions; if you can't resolve it and you have to come
12 back here, there will be. Simple as that. Okay.
13 MS. WAKILY: Sounds good. Thank you, your Honor.
14 MR. ALPERIN: Thank you, your Honor.
15 THE COURT: That be will the Court's order. Notice
16 waived?
17 MS. WAKILY: Yes, your Honor. Is there a deadline
18 for --
19 THE COURT: What's a reasonable deadline, Counsel?
20 MR. ALPERIN: I'd like to digest this and meet with
21 co-counsel and --
22 THE COURT: 30 days.
23 MR. ALPERIN: 30 days?
24 THE COURT: 30 days.
25 MR. ALPERIN: Okay. Thank you. Thank you, your
26 Honor.
27 THE COURT: And do we have another date set?
28 MR. ALPERIN: Nothing on calendar other than, I

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1 think, trial and a pretrial --
2 THE COURT: There's a post-mediation, post-mediation
3 status conference in November. So unless there's some
4 problem with this, I'll see you then. But if there is,
5 come back. All right.
6 MR. ALPERIN: Thank you, your Honor.
7 THE COURT: Thank you.
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KNAPP, PETERSEN AND CLARKE, ET AL., ) Reporter's
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Defendants. )
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12 I, MARGARET MCVEY, official reporter of the
13 Superior Court of the State of California, for the
14 County of Los Angeles, do hereby certify that the
15 foregoing pages, 1 through 9, inclusive, comprise a
16 full, true and correct transcript of the proceedings
17 held and the testimony taken in the above-entitled
18 matter on August 27, 2012.
19 DATED THIS September 4, 2012.
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MARGARET MCVEY, CSR #4746
25 OFFICIAL REPORTER
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1 S U P E R I O R C O U R T O F T H E S T A T E O F C A L I F O R N I A
2 F O R T H E C O U N T Y O F L O S A N G E L E S
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1 APPEARANCES:
2 For Plaintiff: Blecher & Collins
BY: Maxwell M. Blecher
3 Howard K. Alperin
Kristen M. Peters
4 515 South Figueroa Street
Los Angeles, CA 90071
5 (213) 622-4222
6 For Defendant: Miller LLP
BY: Randall A. Miller
7 Austa Wakily
Jonathan A. Feldheim
8 515 South Flower Street
Suite 2150
9 Los Angeles, CA 90071
(800) 720-2126
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For Peter Bezek: Kaufman Dolowich Voluck &
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By: Nancy Lucas Ezzell
12 11755 Wilshire Boulevard
Suite 2400
13 Los Angeles, CA 90025
(310) 775-6531
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1 C a s e N u m b e r : B C 2 8 6 9 2 4
2 C a s e N a m e : G a g g e r o v s . K n a p p P e t e r s e n
3 D e p a r t m e n t : 1 7 H o n . R i c h a r d E . R i c o
4 R e p o r t e r : D a n a S h e l l e y , R P R , C S R # 1 0 1 7 7
5 L o s A n g e l e s , C a l i f o r n i a F r i d a y , F e b r u a r y 1 5 , 2 0 1 3
6 T i m e : 9 : 0 9 a . m .
7 A p p e a r a n c e s : ( A s h e r e t o f o r e n o t e d . )
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9 T H E C O U R T : A l l r i g h t . O n G a g g e r o v s . K n a p p
10 P e t e r s e n .
11 M R . M I L L E R : G o o d m o r n i n g , y o u r H o n o r . R a n d y
12 M i l l e r , f r o m M i l l e r L L P , f o r D e f e n d a n t s .
13 M S . W A K I L Y : A u s t a W a k i l y f o r d e f e n d a n t s ; M i l l e r
14 L L P .
15 M R . F E L D H E I M : J o n a t h a n F e l d h e i m , a l s o f o r
16 d e f e n d a n t s , y o u r H o n o r .
17 M S . E Z Z E L L : G o o d m o r n i n g , y o u r H o n o r . N a n c y
18 E z z e l l o n b e h a l f t h e p u r p o r t e d d e p o n e n t , P e t e r B e z e k .
19 M R . B L E C H E R : G o o d m o r n i n g , y o u r H o n o r . M a x w e l l
20 B l e c h e r , H o w a r d A l p e r i n , a n d K r i s t e n P e t e r s , a l l f o r t h e
21 p l a i n t i f f .
22 T H E C O U R T : G o o d m o r n i n g , e v e r y o n e .
23 A l l r i g h t . S o t h i s i s a m o t i o n f o r s u m m a r y
24 j u d g m e n t . H a v e y o u s e e n t h e c o u r t ' s t e n t a t i v e ?
25 A n y b o d y w i s h t o b e h e a r d ?
26 M S . W A K I L Y : Y e s , y o u r H o n o r .
27 W i t h r e s p e c t t o t h e C o u r t ' s r u l i n g o n t h e
28 s u m m a r y a d j u d i c a t i o n , I ' d l i k e t o p o i n t o u t t h a t t h e

1 n o t i c e o f m o t i o n i s a c t u a l l y s p e c i f i c a l l y n o t i c e d f o r
2 s u m m a r y a d j u d i c a t i o n .
3 A n d w i t h r e s p e c t t o t h e b r e a c h o f f i d u c i a r y
4 d u t y c l a i m , N o . 4 o n t h e l i s t o f g r o u n d s f o r t h i s m o t i o n
5 s p e c i f i c a l l y s t a t e s t h a t t h e s u m m a r y a d j u d i c a t i o n i s
6 b a s e d o n t h e g r o u n d t h a t t h e p l a i n t i f f f a i l s t o p l e a d
7 a n y c a u s e o f a c t i o n f o r b r e a c h o f f i d u c i a r y d u t y a g a i n s t
8 t h e d e f e n d a n t .
9 T H E C O U R T : A l l r i g h t . A n y r e s p o n s e ?
10 M R . B L E C H E R : T h e n o t i c e i s f o r s u m m a r y j u d g m e n t
11 o n l y , y o u r H o n o r . O n l y t h e c a p t i o n s a y s " s u m m a r y
12 a d j u d i c a t i o n , " w h i c h i s n o t a d e q u a t e t o i n f o r m t h e o t h e r
13 s i d e o f t h e a c t u a l m o t i o n . S o w e b e l i e v e y o u r t e n t a t i v e
14 g e t s i t r i g h t .
15 T H E C O U R T : Y e a h . U s u a l l y , I s e e t h e s e t h i n g s - -
16 a n d i n d e e d , y o u c a n g o t o t h e R u t t e r b o o k a n d f i n d
17 y o u ' r e s u p p o s e d t o h a v e i t a l l s e t f o r t h i n t h e n o t i c e
18 s o t h a t t h e C o u r t c a n u n d e r s t a n d a n d t h e o t h e r s i d e c a n
19 u n d e r s t a n d w h a t t h e a c t u a l i s s u e s a r e .
20 M S . W A K I L Y : Y o u r H o n o r , t h e s t a t u t e t h a t i s
21 a c t u a l l y r e f e r e n c e d i n t h e n o t i c e o f m o t i o n i s
22 4 3 7 ( c ) ( f ) , a n d t h a t ' s t h e s t a t u t e t h a t ' s - -
23 T H E C O U R T : I k n o w t h e s t a t u t e . S o w h a t e l s e d o
24 y o u w a n t t o s a y ?
25 M S . W A K I L Y : Y o u r H o n o r , t h e o t h e r - -
26 T H E C O U R T : I ' m m o r e c o n c e r n e d w i t h t h e o t h e r
27 o n e s , a c t u a l l y , q u i t e f r a n k l y . B u t w h a t e l s e ?
28 M S . W A K I L Y : J u s t t o s t a y o n t h a t p o i n t f o r o n e

1 m o m e n t , t h e p l a i n t i f f s w e r e n o t p r e j u d i c e d i n a n y w a y b y
2 t h e n o t i c e . T h e y d i d a r g u e i n t h e i r o p p o s i t i o n o n t h e
3 m e r i t s t h a t t h e r e w a s a b r e a c h o f f i d u c i a r y d u t y c l a i m .
4 H o w e v e r , t h e y f a i l e d t o i d e n t i f y a n y i n t e n t
5 o n t h e p a r t o f a n y o f t h e d e f e n d a n t s t o s u p p o r t t h e i r
6 c l a i m f o r b r e a c h o f f i d u c i a r y d u t y . I n s t e a d , t h e y
7 s i m p l y r e p e a t t h e i r c l a i m s o f n e g l i g e n c e , w h i c h i s
8 i n s u f f i c i e n t .
9 T H E C O U R T : A l l r i g h t . A n y t h i n g e l s e y o u w a n t t o
10 a d d r e s s ?
11 M S . W A K I L Y : W i t h r e s p e c t t o t h e o t h e r s , y o u r
12 H o n o r , w e d o n ' t b e l i e v e t h a t t h e r e ' s a n y a d m i s s i b l e
13 e v i d e n c e t o s u p p o r t t h e c l a i m f o r n e g l i g e n c e a s t o t h e
14 d e f e n d a n t s , p a r t i c u l a r l y w i t h r e s p e c t t o c a u s a t i o n a n d
15 d a m a g e s .
16 A s o f t h e d a t e o f t h i s h e a r i n g , y o u r H o n o r ,
17 t h e r e ' s n o t o n e s i n g l e e v i d e n c e t h a t p l a i n t i f f
18 p e r s o n a l l y s u f f e r e d a n y d a m a g e s . M r . G a g g e r o i s
19 c o n t i n u i n g t o a s s e r t t h e r i g h t t o p r i v a c y a n d i s
20 r e f u s i n g t o p r o v i d e t h o s e d o c u m e n t s .
21 T H E C O U R T : O k a y . W e l l , I t h i n k I e x p l a i n e d h o w
22 w e ' r e g o i n g t o h a n d l e t h a t l a t e r o n a t t r i a l , b u t g o
23 a h e a d .
24 D o y o u w a n t t o r e s p o n d ?
25 M R . B L E C H E R : I d o n ' t w a n t t o t a k e u p a n y t i m e
26 u n l e s s y o u h a v e q u e s t i o n s , y o u r H o n o r .
27 T H E C O U R T : N o . I d o n ' t t h i n k t h i s i s a c a s e f o r
28 s u m m a r y j u d g m e n t . Y o u m a y b e r i g h t , a n d y o u c a n f i l e - -

1 I m e a n , m a k e a m o t i o n f o r n o n s u i t a t t h e e n d ; b u t I
2 t h i n k i t h a s t o a t l e a s t g e t t o t h a t p o i n t f i r s t ,
3 f r a n k l y .
4 T h e C o u r t a d o p t s i t s t e n t a t i v e .
5 Y o u g i v e n o t i c e .
6 M R . B L E C H E R : T h a n k y o u , y o u r H o n o r .
7 T H E C O U R T : W h e r e d o w e s t a n d n o w o n t h e n e x t
8 c o u r t d a t e s ?
9 M R . B L E C H E R : W e l l - -
10 M R . M I L L E R : Y o u r H o n o r - -
11 I ' m s o r r y . G o a h e a d , M a x .
12 M R . B L E C H E R : I w a n t e d t o t a k e u p t h e - - t h e r e ' s a
13 M a r c h 4 t h h e a r i n g w h i c h w a s s e t o n a m o t i o n f o r
14 e v i d e n t i a r y s a n c t i o n s .
15 Y o u m a y r e c a l l t h a t l a s t F r i d a y y o u h e a r d
16 t h e p a r t i e s - - t h e d e f e n d a n t t r i e d t o a d v a n c e t h a t d a t e
17 f r o m M a r c h 4 t h t o t o d a y . Y o u r e j e c t e d t h a t . I t h i n k
18 y o u s u g g e s t e d t h a t t h a t m o t i o n w a s t o o c l o s e t o t r i a l
19 f o r y o u o r d i n a r i l y t o g r a n t i t . I t h i n k y o u a l s o
20 s u g g e s t e d t h e y f i l e a n i n l i m i n e m o t i o n .
21 O u r u n d e r s t a n d i n g i s t h a t t h e d e f e n d a n t
22 s t i l l b e l i e v e s t h e m a t t e r i s c a l e n d a r e d f o r f u l l h e a r i n g
23 o n M a r c h 4 t h .
24 T H E C O U R T : O k a y . W h a t I d i d - - o k a y . I k n o w
25 w h a t I d i d , w h i c h i s , I r e j e c t e d a n e x p a r t e a p p l i c a t i o n
26 t o m o v e t h i n g s f o r w a r d . A s t o w h e t h e r o r n o t t h e m o t i o n
27 i s p r o p e r l y - - a s l o n g a s i t ' s p r o p e r l y n o t i c e d , I ' l l
28 e n t e r t a i n t h e m o t i o n .

1 I m a y j u s t s a y d o w h a t y o u s u g g e s t - - o r
2 w h a t I m a y h a v e s u g g e s t e d , w h i c h i s m a y b e i t ' s a m o t i o n
3 i n l i m i n e ; b u t p a r t i e s a r e e n t i t l e d t o d o s o u n d e r t h e
4 c o d e . I j u s t f o l l o w t h e c o d e , C o u n s e l . Y o u s h o u l d a l l
5 r e a l i z e t h a t . S o i f i t ' s a p r o p e r l y n o t i c e d m o t i o n , i t
6 g o e s f o r w a r d . A n d I b e l i e v e i t i s .
7 A l l I d i d i s , o n e x p a r t e , w h i c h i s w h a t I
8 d o g e n e r a l l y , i s - - I d o n o t l i k e e x p a r t e s , a n d I d o
9 n o t g r a n t t h e m u n l e s s t h e r e i s r e a l l y e x p a r t e r e a s o n
10 f o r d o i n g s o ; t h a t i s , s o m e s o r t o f a n e m e r g e n c y :
11 S o m e b o d y i s d e a d o r d y i n g , o r t h e r e ' s s o m e e x t r e m e
12 c i r c u m s t a n c e u n d e r w h i c h t o g r a n t a n e x p a r t e . T h e r e
13 w a s n o n e i n t h a t c a s e , a n d I t o l d c o u n s e l t h a t .
14 S o w e ' l l s e e w h a t h a p p e n s . O k a y .
15 M R . M I L L E R : T h e r e w a s a n o t h e r m a t t e r o n c a l e n d a r
16 f o r t o d a y , y o u r H o n o r . I t w a s a m o t i o n t o q u a s h b r o u g h t
17 b y p l a i n t i f f s . I t ' s b e e n f u l l y b r i e f e d .
18 T H E C O U R T : T h a t I d o n ' t s e e .
19 M R . M I L L E R : Y e a h , t h a t ' s w h a t I s u s p e c t e d b e c a u s e
20 I d i d n ' t s e e a t e n t a t i v e , a n d I d i d n ' t s e e i t o n t h e
21 c a l e n d a r . S o I s u s p e c t e d t h i s m a y n o t h a v e m a d e i t s w a y
22 t o y o u r c a l e n d a r t o d a y .
23 I t w a s a c t u a l l y - - t h e h e a r i n g d a t e w a s t h e
24 s u b j e c t o f a n e x p a r t e , i n w h i c h t h e h e a r i n g w a s
25 a d v a n c e d , I t h i n k , f r o m t h e 2 8 t h u n t i l t o d a y . T h i s h a s
26 t o d o w i t h t h e d e p o s i t i o n o f o n e o f M r . G a g g e r o ' s
27 a t t o r n e y s , P e t e r B e z e k . A n d h e ' s g o t c o u n s e l h e r e i n
28 t h e c o u r t r o o m t o d a y , N a n c y E z z e l l , a n d w e w e r e p r e p a r e d

1 t o a r g u e t h a t .
2 I t d o e s n ' t l o o k l i k e - -
3 T H E C O U R T : I t d i d n ' t m a k e i t h e r e - -
4 M R . M I L L E R : - - t h e C o u r t h a s t h a t o n i t s r a d a r .
5 T H E C O U R T : - - s o I d o n ' t k n o w w h e t h e r i t i s o n
6 t h e c a l e n d a r . L e t m e j u s t s e e .
7 ( D i s c u s s i o n h e l d o f f t h e r e c o r d . )
8 M R . M I L L E R : Y o u m a y s t i l l f i n d i t o n t h e 2 8 t h .
9 T H E C O U R T : Y e a h , I s e e i t o n t h e 2 8 t h .
10 M R . M I L L E R : I t w a s t o b e a d v a n c e d , p u r s u a n t t o
11 t h e r u l i n g a t t h e e x p a r t e - -
12 T H E C O U R T : S o m e h o w w e m i s s e d i t . S o r r y a b o u t
13 t h a t .
14 M R . M I L L E R : O k a y . I t i s a n i m p o r t a n t i s s u e .
15 W e ' d l i k e i t h e a r d a s s o o n a s p o s s i b l e . T h a t ' s w h y w e
16 c a m e i n o n t h e e x p a r t e t o h a v e i t a d v a n c e d . A n d
17 o b v i o u s l y , w e ' r e p r e p a r e d t o d e a l w i t h i t . I s t h e r e a
18 w a y w e c a n - -
19 T H E C O U R T : I g u e s s t h e d i s c o v e r y c a n ' t - - s o r r y .
20 M R . M I L L E R : G o a h e a d .
21 T H E C O U R T : T h e d i s c o v e r y c a n ' t b e c o m p l e t e d u n t i l
22 t h a t ' s t a k e n c a r e o f ; r i g h t ?
23 M R . M I L L E R : W e l l , i t ' s a n i m p o r t a n t i s s u e f o r a
24 n u m b e r o f b a s e s . I t ' s e x p l a i n e d i n o u r o p p o s i t i o n t o
25 t h e m o t i o n t o q u a s h . T h e d e p o s i t i o n i s o b v i o u s l y s t i l l
26 p e n d i n g . T h e m o t i o n t o q u a s h e f f e c t i v e l y p r e v e n t e d i t
27 f r o m g o i n g f o r w a r d a t a l l , a n d s o w e ' r e i n l i m b o .
28 M s . E z z e l l , w h o c a n s p e a k f o r h e r s e l f w i t h

1 r e s p e c t t o h e r c l i e n t ' s p o s i t i o n , h a s d o c u m e n t s t o
2 r e v i e w a n d , d e p e n d i n g o n t h e C o u r t ' s r u l i n g o n p r i v i l e g e
3 i s s u e s , h a s s o m e l e g w o r k t o d o b e f o r e t h e d e p o s i t i o n
4 e v e n c a n t a k e p l a c e . S o t h e r e ' s s o m e u r g e n c y .
5 T H E C O U R T : Y e a h , I d o r e m e m b e r i t n o w .
6 M R . M I L L E R : Y e a h .
7 T H E C O U R T : U n f o r t u n a t e l y , i t j u s t m i s s e d t h e
8 c a l e n d a r . O k a y .
9 M S . E Z Z E L L : Y o u r H o n o r , I w a s n o t s e r v e d w i t h t h e
10 o p p o s i t i o n p a p e r s . I r e p r e s e n t P e t e r B e z e k . A n d i f I
11 h a d , I t h i n k I w o u l d h a v e f i l e d s o m e t h i n g i n r e s p o n s e t o
12 t h e m . M r . M i l l e r w a s g o o d e n o u g h t o l e t m e r e v i e w h i s
13 t h i s m o r n i n g i n c o u r t , b u t I h a d n o t s e e n t h e m b e f o r e
14 t o d a y .
15 T H E C O U R T : O k a y . W e l l , I ' m n o t g o i n g t o
16 e n t e r t a i n i t n o w , s o I ' m j u s t t r y i n g t o g i v e y o u a n o t h e r
17 d a t e .
18 W e l l , n e x t F r i d a y , I s u p p o s e . T h a t ' s t h e
19 2 2 n d . I f y o u n e e d a l i t t l e b i t m o r e t i m e , s o m e t i m e t h e
20 f o l l o w i n g w e e k . Y o u a l l t e l l m e .
21 M R . M I L L E R : W e l l , w e ' d l i k e i t h e a r d a s s o o n a s
22 p o s s i b l e b e c a u s e i t ' s h o l d i n g u p t h i s d e p o s i t i o n , w h i c h
23 i s a n i m p o r t a n t d e p o s i t i o n .
24 T H E C O U R T : O k a y .
25 M R . M I L L E R : I t h i n k t h e o n l y i s s u e w o u l d b e t o
26 g i v e M s . E z z e l l e n o u g h t i m e t o f i l e w h a t e v e r s h e w a n t s ,
27 n o w t h a t s h e ' s r e a d t h e o p p o s i t i o n .
28 T H E C O U R T : W o u l d t h a t g i v e y o u e n o u g h t i m e , o r d o

1 y o u w a n t m e t o g i v e y o u m o r e t i m e ? I c a n p u t i t o v e r
2 t i l l t h e f o l l o w i n g w e e k , t h e 2 5 t h o r 2 6 t h . W h i c h o n e d o
3 y o u w a n t ?
4 M S . E Z Z E L L : Y o u r H o n o r , I ' l l a c c o m m o d a t e t h e
5 C o u r t a n d t h e o t h e r p a r t i e s .
6 M R . M I L L E R : T h e 2 2 n d i s g o o d f o r t h e d e f e n s e ,
7 y o u r H o n o r .
8 T H E C O U R T : A l l r i g h t . I ' l l p u t i t o v e r t o t h e
9 2 2 n d . A n d i f y o u h a v e s o m e t h i n g y o u w a n t t o p u t i n
10 w r i t i n g , d o s o , a n d j u s t g e t i t t o m e b y T u e s d a y , t h e
11 1 9 t h .
12 M S . E Z Z E L L : T h a n k y o u r , y o u r H o n o r . 8 : 3 0 ,
13 F r i d a y ?
14 T H E C O U R T : 8 : 3 0 , F r i d a y . Y e a h , 8 : 3 0 , F r i d a y i s
15 f i n e .
16 A l l r i g h t . T h e n I g u e s s t h a t ' s t h e n e x t
17 t i m e I ' l l s e e y o u a l l .
18 M S . E Z Z E L L : A n d i f M r . M i l l e r ' s o f f i c e c o u l d
19 e m a i l m e o r f a x m e a c o p y o f t h e o p p o s i t i o n t o m y
20 o f f i c e , w e ' d a p p r e c i a t e t h a t .
21 M R . M I L L E R : W e c e r t a i n l y w i l l d o t h a t .
22 M S . E Z Z E L L : T h a n k y o u .
23 M R . M I L L E R : Y o u r H o n o r h a d i n q u i r e d a b o u t
24 s o m e t h i n g e l s e c o m i n g u p o n t h e c a l e n d a r . I ' m h a p p y t o
25 r e s p o n d t o t h a t . W e d o h a v e a n M S C w i t h J u d g e M e i s i n g e r
26 c o m i n g u p o n t h e 2 7 t h . S o w e ' r e o b v i o u s l y p l a n n i n g o n
27 a t t e n d i n g t h a t .
28 W e ' v e g o t , o b v i o u s l y , a f i n a l s t a t u s

1 c o n f e r e n c e a n d a t r i a l d a t e s e t o n t h i s , a s w e l l - -
2 T H E C O U R T : R i g h t .
3 M R . M I L L E R : - - a n d t h e s c h e d u l e i s g e t t i n g q u i t e
4 c o m p a c t e d b y s o m e o f t h e s e d i s c o v e r y i s s u e s .
5 T H E C O U R T : A l l r i g h t . I ' m g o i n g t o l i s t e n t o y o u
6 o n t h e i s s u e s t h a t - -
7 M R . B L E C H E R : I h a v e a c o n f l i c t o n t h e 4 t h o n t h a t
8 e v i d e n t i a r y h e a r i n g . W o u l d i t b e a l l r i g h t i f w e w o r k e d
9 o u t a d a t e d u r i n g t h a t w e e k ?
10 T H E C O U R T : Y e s .
11 M S . W A K I L Y : T h a t ' s f i n e , y e s .
12 M R . B L E C H E R : T h a n k y o u .
13 T H E C O U R T : L e t m e c h e c k . I t ' s M a r c h 4 t h ?
14 M R . B L E C H E R : Y e s .
15 T H E C O U R T : T h a t ' s t h e M o n d a y ? O k a y .
16 M S . E Z Z E L L : W e ' l l s u b m i t s o m e t h i n g t o y o u r H o n o r .
17 T H E C O U R T : J u s t s u b m i t s o m e t h i n g i n w r i t i n g .
18 T h a t ' s f i n e .
19 M R . B L E C H E R : T h a n k y o u .
20 T H E C O U R T : I c a n w o r k w i t h y o u o n t h a t . Y e a h ,
21 t h a t ' s f i n e .
22 M R . B L E C H E R : T h a n k y o u , y o u r H o n o r .
23 T H E C O U R T : A l l r i g h t . T h a n k y o u .
24 M S . W A K I L Y : T h a n k y o u .
25 M R . M I L L E R : T h a n k y o u , y o u r H o n o r .
26 ( P r o c e e d i n g s c o n c l u d e d a t 9 : 1 9 A . M . )
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14 h e r e b y c e r t i f y t h a t t h e f o r e g o i n g p a g e s , 1 t h r o u g h 9 ,
15 c o m p r i s e a f u l l , t r u e , a n d c o r r e c t t r a n s c r i p t o f t h e
16 p r o c e e d i n g s h e l d i n t h e a b o v e - e n t i t l e d m a t t e r o n F r i d a y ,
17 F e b r u a r y 1 5 , 2 0 1 3 .
18 D a t e d F e b r u a r y 2 4 , 2 0 1 3 .
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STEPHEN M. GAGGERO, AN )
5 INDIVIDUAL, ) TRANSCRIPT OF
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6 PLAINTIFF, )
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7 VS. ) HON.
) RICHARD E. RICO
8 KNAPP, PETERSEN AND CLARKE, ) JUDGE
A CALIFORNIA CORPORATION; )
9 STEVEN RAY GARCIA, AN )
INDIVIDUAL; STEPHEN M. ) CASE NO. BC286924
10 HARRIS, AN INDIVIDUAL; ANDRE )
JARDINI, AN INDIVIDUAL; DOES )
11 1 THROUGH 50, INCLUSIVE, )
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12 DEFENDANTS. )
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FEBRUARY 22, 2013
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16 APPEARANCES OF COUNSEL:
17 FOR THE PLAINTIFF:
BLECHER & COLLINS
18 BY: MAXWELL M. BLECHER, ATTORNEY AT LAW
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19 KRISTEN M. PETERS, ATTORNEY AT LAW
515 S. FIGUEROA ST., LOS ANGELES, CA 90071
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FOR THE DEFENDANTS:
21 MILLER, LLP
BY: JONATHAN A. FELDHEIM, ATTORNEY AT LAW
22 515 S. FLOWER ST., #2150, LOS ANGELES, CA 90071
23 -AND-
24 KAUFMAN DOLOWICH VOLUCK & GONZO, LLP
BY: NANCY LUCAS EZZELL, ATTORNEY AT LAW
25 11755 WILSHIRE BLVD., #2400, LOS ANGELES, CA 90025
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27 JESSICA DAVIS, CSR 12646
REPORTER PRO TEMPORE
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1 LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA - FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 22, 2013
2 MORNING SESSION
3 (PROCEEDINGS IN OPEN COURT:)
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5 THE COURT: Stephen M. Gaggero vs. Knapp.
6 MR. FELDHEIM: Good morning, Jonathan Feldheim for
7 the defendants.
8 MS. EZZELL: Good morning, your Honor. Nancy Ezzell
9 for Peter Besack.
10 MR. BLECHER: Good morning, your Honor. Maxwell
11 Blecher and Kristen Peters for the plaintiff.
12 THE COURT: All right. The motion to quash. You
13 have seen the court's tentative? I think I have explained
14 everything pretty succinctly. Do you wish to be heard? You
15 know, I've already talked about these issues before, but
16 whatever.
17 Anybody?
18 MS. EZZELL: Your Honor, I just have a point of
19 clarification. Your tentative discusses only the
20 attorney-client documents and I didn't understand until when
21 we were here last week and I saw the defendants' opposition,
22 that they were all also taking the position that the
23 work-product privilege has been waived because --
24 THE COURT: Well, if the attorney-client privilege
25 is waived, then the other is the more difficult one to
26 overcome.
27 MR. EZZELL: Well, the -- Mr. Besack is the holder
28 of the work-product privilege. And the documents containing

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1 his thoughts, impressions are absolutely privilege.
2 THE COURT: No, they're work product, but under the
3 circumstances there isn't attorney-client. The work-product
4 privilege is not absolute.
5 MR. FELDHEIM: Well, first of all, I think the issue
6 is kind of moot because Mr. Gaggero himself has produced
7 Mr. Besack's work product in various capacities in other
8 document production already, your Honor, so --
9 THE COURT: There you go. The court is going off
10 its tentative.
11 You give notice.
12 MR. FELDHEIM: Thank you.
13 MR. BLECHER: Your Honor --
14 THE COURT: I know. Have a seat.
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6 I, Jessica Davis, CSR 12646, Reporter Pro Tempore in
7 and for the Superior Court of the State of California, County
8 of Los Angeles, do hereby certify that the foregoing
9 transcript is a true and correct transcript of my shorthand
10 notes, and is a full, true and correct statement of the
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9 CALIFORNIA CORPORATION; STEVEN RAY )
GARCIA, AN INDIVIDUAL; ANDRE JARDINI, )
10 AN INDIVIDUAL; DOES 1 THROUGH 50, )
INCLUSIVE, )
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REPORTER'S TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS
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MONDAY, APRIL 8, 2013
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FOR THE PLAINTIFF: BLECHER COLLINS PEPPERMAN & JOYE
19 BY: MAXWELL M. BLECHER, ESQ.
BY: KRISTEN M. PETERS, ESQ.
20 515 SOUTH FIGUEROA STREET
SUITE 1750
21 LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA 90071-3334
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FOR THE DEFENDANTS: MILLER LLP
23 BY: JONATHAN FELDHEIM, ESQ
24 515 SOUTH FIGUEROA STREET
SUITE 2150
25 CITY NATIONAL PLAZA
LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA 90071
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C.S.R. NO. 12383
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1 CASE NUMBER: BC286924
2 CASE NAME: STEPHEN M. GAGGERO VS. KNAPP,
3 PETERSEN AND CLARKE
4 LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA MONDAY, APRIL 8, 2013
6 APPEARANCES: (AS HERETOFORE NOTED)
7 REPORTER: ROSA SAMPLES, C.S.R. NO. 12383
8 TIME: MORNING SESSION
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11 THE COURT: GAGGERO VERSUS KNAPP, PETERSEN.
12 MR. BLECHER: GOOD MORNING, YOUR HONOR. MAXWELL
13 BLECHER AND KRISTEN PETERS FOR THE PLAINTIFF.
14 MR. FELDHEIM: YOUR HONOR, GOOD MORNING. JONATHAN
15 FELDHEIM FOR THE DEFENDANTS.
16 MS. WAKILY: AUSTA WAKILY FOR DEFENDANTS.
17 THE COURT: GOOD MORNING. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS THE
18 MOTION FOR, I GUESS, CHANGE EXPERT WITNESSES. I THINK I
19 OUTLINED -- MY PROBLEM IS YOU DIDN'T GIVE ME A REASON, AND
20 "A FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE" ISN'T SUFFICIENT AS FAR AS I CAN
21 TELL FROM THE CODE, BUT I'M WILLING TO LISTEN TO YOU,
22 COUNSEL.
23 MR. BLECHER: I'VE READ THAT, AND I UNDERSTAND
24 WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, AND I DON'T DISAGREE THAT THE
25 REASON WHICH WE OUTLINED WHICH BASICALLY IS THAT THERE WAS A
26 TENSION DEVELOPED BETWEEN THE CLIENT AND THE WITNESS AS A
27 RESULT OF THE HONEYMOON MAY NOT BE THE MOST COGENT REASON;
28 ON THE OTHER HAND, YOUR HONOR, I THINK THE KEY TO THIS IS

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1 WE'RE SIX MONTHS AWAY FROM TRIAL. THE DEFENDANT HAD NO
2 INVESTMENT IN MR. JACOBSON. THEY DID NO WORK-UP ON HIM.
3 THEY DIDN'T DO HIS DEPOSITION, AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT
4 THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO PREJUDICE TO ALLOW A SUBSTITUTION AT
5 THIS STAGE.
6 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. LET ME -- WHAT'S YOUR
7 PREJUDICE?
8 MR. FELDHEIM: YOUR HONOR, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO
9 DEPOSE JACOBSON, FOR TWO MONTHS NOW --
10 THE COURT: I UNDERSTAND, BUT OTHER THAN THAT
11 TRYING TO DEPOSE -- I GUESS, THEY'RE WILLING TO GIVE YOU
12 THIS OTHER PERSON; RIGHT?
13 MR. FELDHEIM: WELL --
14 MR. BLECHER: YES.
15 THE COURT: I JUST NEED SOMETHING, AND I DON'T --
16 MR. FELDHEIM: WELL, THAT'S JUST IT, YOUR HONOR.
17 WE'RE HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS. THERE'S NO REASON GIVEN THAT MAKES
18 ME THINK WHY CAN'T -- MY CLIENT DECIDE THEY WANT A DIFFERENT
19 EXPERT TOO AND JUST ASK FOR IT AND GET IT. WE HAVE ALL
20 THESE COMPLICATED EXPERT COURT RULES FOR A REASON. YOU
21 KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN PREPARING FOR JACOBSON FOR -- EVER SINCE
22 WE GOT THE DESIGNATION, WHEN THEY SAID, "WE'RE GOING TO USE
23 LAWRENCE JACOBSON." WE SAID, "OKAY." SO WE'VE BEEN
24 PREPARING WITH THAT EXPERT IN MIND EVER SINCE --
25 THE COURT: OKAY. HOW'S THIS? CAN YOU SHOW ME
26 SOMETHING? IN OTHER WORDS, WELL, EITHER ONE OF YOU, CAN YOU
27 SHOW ME SOMETHING, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER; SO THAT I COULD
28 MAKE A RULING. I MEAN, I PUT THIS OUT AS A TENTATIVE

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1 BECAUSE I WANTED TO EXPLAIN WHERE I'M AT; AND AS FAR AS I'M
2 CONCERNED, I LAID IT OUT PRECISELY WHAT HAPPENED HERE; AND I
3 THOUGHT I ELIMINATED THE PROBLEM BY SAYING "DON'T WORRY
4 ABOUT IT. THERE'S A NEW TRIAL DATE."
5 MR. BLECHER: COULD WE HAVE THREE DAYS TO FILE A
6 SUPPLEMENTAL DECLARATION, YOUR HONOR?
7 THE COURT: ALL RIGHT.
8 MR. FELDHEIM: WELL, YOUR HONOR, I MEAN --
9 THE COURT: WELL, NO-NO-NO. LET'S DO THIS. I'LL
10 GIVE HIM THREE DAYS, BUT THEN I WANT YOU TO TELL ME YOUR
11 PREJUDICE, AND IF IT'S MONEY THAT WAS SPENT, IF IT WAS SOME
12 TIME THAT WAS SPENT, YOU GIVE ME THAT. AND YOU KNOW WHAT
13 I'M GOING TO DO, I THINK --
14 MR. FELDHEIM: WELL, I CAN TELL THE COURT RIGHT
15 NOW, YOUR HONOR, I'VE ALREADY SPENT SEVERAL HOURS INVESTING
16 IN A DEPOSITION OUTLINE FOR MR. JACOBSON, SPECIFICALLY.
17 THE COURT: OKAY. THERE WE GO. YOU PUT THAT DOWN
18 AS COSTS, AND I WILL CONSIDER THAT. ALL RIGHT?
19 SO AGAIN THAT'S WHAT I NEED. I NEED REALLY
20 SOMETHING. RIGHT NOW I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, FROM BOTH
21 SIDES, QUITE FRANKLY. SO DO THAT. I'LL PUT IT OVER THREE
22 DAYS. I'LL PUT IT OVER UNTIL FRIDAY IF YOU WANT -- OR HOW'S
23 THIS? SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK. FILE DECLARATIONS,
24 BOTH SIDES, WITH CONCRETE EVIDENCE, AND IF IT'S FROM COST
25 BILL ON THE DEFENSE SIDE; AND FROM PLAINTIFF, A REAL REASON
26 WHY SOME INCAPACITY -- QUITE FRANKLY ON THE PART OF
27 MR. JACOBSON -- OR NOT INCAPACITY BUT SOMETHING AKIN AS TO A
28 BASIS FOR WHICH I WOULD RELIEVE THE PARTY AS COUNSEL. IT'S

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1 THE SAME KIND OF ANALYSIS. AGAIN, I NEED MORE THAN "A
2 BREAKDOWN AND FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE"; SO YOU PUT THAT IN
3 THE DECLARATION, AND WE'LL PUT THIS OVER TO FRIDAY WHICH IS
4 THE 12TH. NO. FILE IT BY THE 12. I'LL READ IT. TAKE THE
5 MATTER UNDER SUBMISSION, AND THEN I'LL MAKE MY RULING.
6 HOW'S THAT?
7 MR. BLECHER: THAT'S FRIDAY.
8 THE COURT: YES. GET THE DECLARATIONS IN HERE
9 DIRECTLY --
10 MR. BLECHER: I THINK THAT'S VERY FAIR.
11 THE COURT: GIVE IT TO EACH OTHER, AND LET ME LOOK
12 AT IT, AND THEN I WILL ISSUE A RULING. WE'LL HAVE IT
13 CONSIDERED SUBMITTED ON THE 12TH.
14 MR. BLECHER: THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S ABUNDANTLY
15 FAIR.
16 MS. WAKILY: YOUR HONOR, THERE'S ONE MORE ISSUE
17 THAT'S GOING TO COME UP. I SUBMITTED A NOTICE OF RULING ON
18 MARCH 21ST IN CONNECTION WITH THE MARCH 20TH STATUS
19 CONFERENCE; AND ON MARCH 29TH, I BELIEVE, PLAINTIFF'S
20 COUNSEL OBJECTED TO THE NOTICE OF RULING, AS TO THE -- AS TO
21 THE PORTION THAT SAYS, THE COURT CONTINUED THE HEARING DATE
22 ON DISCOVERY MOTION, I WAS THERE AT THE DISCOVERY -- I MEAN,
23 I WAS THERE AT THE STATUS CONFERENCE. I'M THE ONE WHO MADE
24 THE REQUEST, AND THE REASON WHY THE OBJECTION WAS FILED WAS
25 BECAUSE I HAD SENT TWO OR THREE MEET AND CONFER LETTERS
26 ABOUT -- LETTING PLAINTIFF'S COUNSEL KNOW THAT I WAS GOING
27 TO FILE A MOTION TO COMPEL. PLAINTIFF'S COUNSEL DID NOT
28 GRANT MY REQUEST TO CONTINUE THE -- TO FILE THE MOTION TO

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1 COMPEL AND HAD REQUESTED THAT WE DISCUSS THAT HERE TODAY
2 WITH RESPECT TO THE COURT'S RULING ON MARCH 20TH.
3 THE COURT: I'M NOT SURE WHAT DISCOVERY -- LOOK.
4 I THINK I'VE TOLD YOU ALL BEFORE. I JUST DEAL WITH
5 THESE THINGS ONE THING AT A TIME. YOU MAKE YOUR MOTION.
6 YOU WANT TO OPPOSE IT. GO AHEAD, IF YOU SAY IT'S UNTIMELY,
7 I'LL MAKE A RULING BASED ON WHATEVER --
8 MR. BLECHER: THANK YOU.
9 THE COURT: THAT'S ALL.
10 MS. WAKILY: OKAY.
11 MR. BLECHER: THAT'S FAIR.
12 THE COURT: THAT'S BASICALLY -- BECAUSE THE EXPERT
13 DEPOSITIONS ARE BEING CONTINUED, OBVIOUSLY, I'M GOING TO
14 ALLOW DISCOVERY MOTIONS ON THAT AND THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES.
15 MR. FELDHEIM: WELL, YOUR HONOR, IF I MAY, WHEN
16 EXPERTS -- EXPERT DEPOSITIONS IS BEING CONTINUED, WHAT DOES
17 THAT MEAN BECAUSE --
18 THE COURT: WELL, IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T ANSWER A
19 QUESTION AND YOU WANT TO -- DURING THE DEPOSITION AND YOU
20 WANT TO MAKE A CLAIM THAT THEY SHOULD BE FORCED TO ANSWER,
21 YES, FILE A MOTION, AND I WILL RULE ON IT ACCORDINGLY.
22 THAT'S ALL. THAT'S A DISCOVERY MOTION.
23 MS. WAKILY: YOUR HONOR, THE OTHER THING IS THERE
24 ARE PENDING REGULAR -- GENERAL DISCOVERY MOTIONS RIGHT NOW,
25 INCLUDING THE MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION SET ON APRIL --
26 THE COURT: WELL, RECONSIDERATION IS DIFFERENT.
27 THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE; RIGHT?
28 MS. WAKILY: IT WAS WITH RESPECT TO DISCOVERY

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1 MOTION, YOUR HONOR.
2 THE COURT: OKAY. YES. BUT, NONETHELESS, THAT
3 DOESN'T FALL INTO THE AMBIENT OF A NEW DISCOVERY MOTION.
4 IT'S REALLY JUST A CONTINUATION OF THE ORIGINAL MOTION.
5 MR. BLECHER: THE PROBLEM IS, YOUR HONOR, THAT
6 THOSE MOTIONS THAT SHE'S NOW TRYING TO RESUSCITATE WITH
7 ARTIFICIAL RESPIRATION DIED --
8 THE COURT: WELL, I DON'T KNOW. AGAIN, THAT'S --
9 TIME OUT. THAT'S WHY I DON'T RULE ON THOSE THINGS OFF THE
10 CUFF. YOU ALL TELL ME --
11 MR. BLECHER: THAT'S FAIR. I THINK WE CAN GET --
12 IT IS ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE.
13 THE COURT: THAT'S WHAT I DO. I'LL RULE ON IT
14 ACCORDINGLY.
15 MR. BLECHER: THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.
16 THE COURT: OKAY. THANKS.
17 MR. BLECHER: IT WAS NICE SEEING YOU AGAIN, EVERY
18 TWO WEEKS TODAY.
19
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2 COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES, CENTRAL DISTRICT
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STEPHEN M. GAGGERO, )
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7 PLAINTIFF, )
VS. ) CASE NO. BC286924
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KNAPP, PETERSEN & CLARKE, A )
9 CALIFORNIA CORPORATION; STEVEN RAY )
GARCIA, AN INDIVIDUAL; ANDRE JARDINI, )
10 AN INDIVIDUAL; DOES 1 THROUGH 50, )
INCLUSIVE, )
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DEFENDANTS. )
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15 I, ROSA M. SAMPLES, C.S.R. NO. 12383, COURT
16 REPORTER OF THE SUPERIOR COURT OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA,
17 FOR THE COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES, DO HEREBY CERTIFY THAT THE
18 FOREGOING PAGES 1 THROUGH 6, INCLUSIVE, COMPRISE A FULL,
19 TRUE, AND CORRECT COMPUTER-AIDED TRANSCRIPT OF THE
20 PROCEEDINGS TAKEN IN THE ABOVE-ENTITLED MATTER ON APRIL 8,
21 2013.
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23 DATED THIS 17TH DAY OF APRIL, 2013.
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ROSA M. SAMPLES, C.S.R. 12383
27 PRO TEMPORE OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER
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1 SUPERIOR COURT .OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
2 COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES r CENTRAL DISTRICT
3
4 DEPARTMENT NO. i7 HON. RICHARD E. RICO r JUDGE
5
.STEPHEN M. GAGGERO I
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7 PLAINTIFF r
VS.
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KNAPP r PETERSEN & CLARKE r A
9 CALIFORNIA CORPORATIONj STEVEN RAY
GARCIA r AN INDIVIDUALj ANDRE JARDINIr
10 AN INDIVIDUALj DOES 1 THROUGH 5·0 r
INCLUSIVE r
11
DEFENDANTS.
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CASE NO. BC286924
REPORTER'S
CERTIFICArE
15 Ir ROSA M. SAMPLES r C.S.R.NO. 12383 r COURT
16 REPORTER OF THE SUPERIOR COURT OF THE STATE OF ·CALIFORNIA r
17 FOR THE COUNTY OF.LOSANGELES r DO HEREBY CERTIFY THAT THE
18 FOREGOING PAGES 1 THROUGH 6 r INCLUSIVE r COMPRISE A FULL r
19 TRUEr AND CORRECT COMPUTER~AIDED TRANSCRIPT OF THE
20 PROCEEDINGS TAKEN IN THE ABOVE-ENTITLED MATTER ON APRIL 8 r
21 2013.
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23 DATED THIS 17TH DAY OF APRIL r 2013.
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3 D E P A R T M E N T 1 7 H O N . R I C H A R D E . R I C O , J U D G E
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18 A T K I N S O N - B A K E R , I N C .
C O U R T R E P O R T E R S
19 ( 8 0 0 ) 2 8 8 - 3 3 7 6
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21 R E P O R T E D B Y : K A R E N A L G O R R I , C S R N O . 8 3 1 9
22 F I L E N O . A 7 0 4 F 6 1
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B L E C H E R C O L L I N S P E P P E R M A N & J O Y E
4 B Y : H O W A R D K . A L P E R I N A N D K R I S T E N
M . P E T E R S , A T T O R N E Y S A T L A W
5 5 1 5 S . F I G U E R O A S T . , S U I T E 1 7 5 0
L O S A N G E L E S , C A 9 0 0 7 1
6 ( 2 1 3 ) 6 2 2 - 4 2 2 2
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8
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9 B Y : A U S T A W A K I L Y , A T T O R N E Y A T L A W
5 1 5 S . F L O W E R S T . , S U I T E 2 1 5 0
10 L O S A N G E L E S , C A L I F O R N I A 9 0 0 7 1
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1 C A S E N U M B E R : B C 2 8 6 9 2 4
2 C A S E N A M E : S T E P H E N M . G A G G E R O V S . K N A P P
3 P E T E R S E N A N D C L A R K E
4 L O S A N G E L E S , C A L I F O R N I A T U E S D A Y , M A Y 7 , 2 0 1 3
5 D E P A R T M E N T N O . 1 7 H O N . R I C H A R D E . R I C O ,
6 J U D G E
7 R E P O R T E R : K A R E N A L G O R R I , C S R N O .
8 8 3 1 9
9 T I M E : A . M . S E S S I O N
10
11 A P P E A R A N C E S :
12 P L A I N T I F F S T E P H E N G A G G E R O , R E P R E S E N T E D
13 B Y C O U N S E L H O W A R D K . A L P E R I N A N D
14 K R I S T E N M . P E T E R S , A T T O R N E Y S A T L A W ;
15 D E F E N D A N T K N A P P P E T E R S E N A N D C L A R K E ,
16 R E P R E S E N T E D B Y C O U N S E L A U S T A W A K I L Y ,
17 A T T O R N E Y A T L A W ; S P E C I A L L Y A P P E A R I N G
18 F O R N O N - P A R T Y , D A V I D B L A K E C H A T F I E L D ,
19 A T T O R N E Y A T L A W
20
21 M R . A L P E R I N : G O O D M O R N I N G , Y O U R H O N O R . H O W A R D
22 A L P E R I N A N D K R I S T E N P E T E R S F O R T H E P L A I N T I F F .
23 M S . W A K I L Y : G O O D M O R N I N G . A U S T A W A K I L Y F O R T H E
24 D E F E N D A N T .
25 T H E C O U R T : T H I S I S H E R E O N T H E M O T I O N S . Y O U H A V E
26 S E E N T H E C O U R T ' S T E N T A T I V E . I D O N ' T K N O W I F T H E R E I S
27 A N Y T H I N G M O R E T O B E S A I D , B U T A N Y T H I N G ?
28 M R . A L P E R I N : I F I C O U L D B R I E F L Y , Y O U R H O N O R .

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1 I A P P R E C I A T E T H E L A N G U A G E O F T H E C O U R T ' S
2 T E N T A T I V E , A N D I J U S T T H I N K T H A T G I V E N T H E R E C O R D T H A T
3 W A S P R E S E N T E D T O T H E C O U R T O N T H I S , I S T H E C O U R T ' S O R D E R
4 L I M I T E D T O T H E S E D I S C O V E R Y I S S U E S , O R H A S T H E C O U R T
5 R E O P E N E D F A C T D I S C O V E R Y ?
6 T H E C O U R T : O K A Y .
7 M R . A L P E R I N : T H A T ' S W H A T I S U N C L E A R .
8 T H E C O U R T : I T H O U G H T I M A D E I T C L E A R L A S T T I M E .
9 W H A T E V E R W A S O U T S T A N D I N G L A S T T I M E W A S O P E N T O D E B A T E .
10 T H I S D I S C O V E R Y W A S O U T S T A N D I N G L A S T T I M E , O P E N T O
11 D E B A T E . I T W A S O P E N T O C O U N S E L M A K I N G M O T I O N S ,
12 E T C E T E R A ; R I G H T ? T H A T ' S W H A T I T H O U G H T I M A D E C L E A R
13 L A S T T I M E , B U T Y O U D O N ' T S E E M T O G E T I T .
14 M R . A L P E R I N : I T ' S N O T - -
15 T H E C O U R T : E N O U G H T H E N , S O I T H I N K I T ' S C L E A R .
16 A N Y B O D Y H A V E A N Y Q U E S T I O N S ?
17 M R . A L P E R I N : A G A I N , I W A N T T O M A K E S U R E T H A T
18 W E ' R E N O T - -
19 T H E C O U R T : I ' M N O T S A Y I N G S T A R T D I S C O V E R Y A L L
20 O V E R A G A I N , E T C E T E R A , E T C E T E R A , D O I N G T H I N G S T H A T W E R E
21 B E Y O N D T H E S C O P E , B U T I T H I N K T H A T T H I N G S T H A T W E R E
22 O U T S T A N D I N G A T T H E T I M E T H A T T H I S W H O L E I S S U E A R O S E
23 S H O U L D B E A L L O W E D T O P R O C E E D A N D C O M P L E T E D T O T H E I R
24 L O G I C A L C O N C L U S I O N .
25 M R . A L P E R I N : O K A Y .
26 T H E C O U R T : A N D T H A T ' S - - M Y T E N T A T I V E S A Y S S O .
27 M R . A L P E R I N : O K A Y . I D O N ' T W A N T T O B E F A C E D , A S
28 T H E P L A I N T I F F S A I D , W I T H A N E W R O U N D O F S U M M A R Y J U D G M E N T

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1 M O T I O N S , A N E W S E T O F D I S C O V E R Y A N D S U C H T H A T - -
2 T H E C O U R T : I A S S U M E T H A T ' S N O T T H E C A S E , B U T I
3 D O N ' T K N O W .
4 W H A T D O Y O U S A Y ?
5 M S . W A K I L Y : I N E V E R A S K E D F O R F A C T D I S C O V E R Y T O
6 B E R E O P E N E D .
7 T H E C O U R T : N E V E R A S K E D F O R I T . N O T G O I N G T O G E T
8 I T . E N D O F S T O R Y .
9 C O U R T A D O P T S I T S T E N T A T I V E .
10 M S . P E T E R S : Y O U R H O N O R , C A N I J U S T B R I N G U P O N E
11 M O R E I S S U E R E L A T E D T O T H E E X P E R T D E P O S I T I O N O F C H R I S
12 R O L A N D T H A T W E ' V E S C H E D U L E D F O R M A Y 2 4 T H ? T H E C O U R T ' S
13 O R D E R O R D E R E D P L A I N T I F F T O P A Y F O R T H E D E P O S I T I O N , A N D
14 W E W O U L D J U S T R E Q U E S T T H A T T H A T B E L I M I T E D T O O N E
15 S E V E N - H O U R D A Y T H A T T H E P L A I N T I F F B E R E S P O N S I B L E F O R
16 P A Y I N G F O R .
17 T H E C O U R T : W E L L , H E ' S - - Y O U A R E R E S P O N S I B L E F O R
18 P A Y I N G W H A T E V E R I T T A K E S . I F Y O U B E L I E V E T H A T T H E Y A R E
19 U N N E C E S S A R I L Y D E L A Y I N G I T , Y O U C A N A S K A R E Q U E S T F R O M
20 T H E C O U R T , B U T I ' M N O T G O I N G T O D O I T O F F H A N D .
21 I F T H E Y H A V E A L E G I T I M A T E R E A S O N F O R I T
22 G O I N G S E V E N H O U R S - - I D O N ' T S E E T H A T , B U T C O N C E I V A B L Y
23 I F T H E R E ' S A L E G I T I M A T E R E A S O N F O R I T , T H E N S O B E I T .
24 M S . W A K I L Y : T H A T ' S F A I R . T H A N K Y O U , Y O U R H O N O R .
25 M R . A L P E R I N : T H A N K Y O U , Y O U R H O N O R .
26 M S . W A K I L Y : Y O U R H O N O R , O N E M O R E Q U E S T I O N . C A N I
27 G E T A D E A D L I N E F O R T H E S E R E S P O N S E S ?
28 T H E C O U R T : H O W M U C H T I M E D O Y O U N E E D , C O U N S E L ?

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1 M R . A L P E R I N : Y O U R H O N O R , A G A I N , I A P P R E C I A T E T H E
2 T E N T A T I V E .
3 I ' M I N C O U R T W I T H S E V E R A L M E M B E R S O F O U R
4 F I R M , A N D M S . P E T E R S I S O U R O F F I C E P E R S O N O N T H E C A S E .
5 W E ' R E G O I N G T O B E I N T R I A L I N D E P A R T M E N T 5 7 F O R A B O U T
6 T W O W E E K S . I F W E C A N H A V E T H R E E A N D A H A L F , F O U R W E E K S ,
7 T O G E T T H I S D O N E . T H E R E A R E Q U I T E A F E W R E Q U E S T S T H E R E .
8 T H E C O U R T : O K A Y . 3 0 D A Y S .
9 M R . A L P E R I N : M U C H A P P R E C I A T E D , Y O U R H O N O R .
10 T H E C O U R T : A L L R I G H T .
11 M S . W A K I L Y : T H A N K Y O U , Y O U R H O N O R .
12 T H E R E W A S O N E I S S U E Y O U A S K E D U S T O C O M E
13 B A C K F O R Y E S T E R D A Y , T H E C O N F I D E N T I A L I T Y O R D E R .
14 M R . A L P E R I N : A M I A L L O W E D T O T A K E T H E T E N T A T I V E ?
15 T H E C O U R T : S U R E . T H A T ' S Y O U R S .
16 M R . A L P E R I N : S O M E C O U R T S T A K E T H E M R I G H T B A C K .
17 T H E C O U R T : T H A T ' S Y O U R S T O K E E P A N D D O W I T H I T
18 W H A T Y O U P L E A S E .
19 M R . A L P E R I N : C H E R I S H .
20 T H E C O U R T : Y E S .
21 M R . A L P E R I N : T H A N K Y O U .
22 T H E C O U R T : C O U N S E L , D I D Y O U W O R K O U T S O M E T H I N G O N
23 T H E P R O T E C T I V E O R D E R ?
24 M S . W A K I L Y : Y O U R H O N O R , I D O N ' T B E L I E V E W E
25 R E A C H E D A N A G R E E M E N T . I T H I N K M R . C H A T F I E L D W A S
26 I N S I S T I N G O N S O M E O F T H E P R O V I S I O N S T H A T T H I S C O U R T
27 R E J E C T E D , I N C L U D I N G T H E M O T I O N - - O R T H E S E A L I N G O F
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1 I D I D D R A F T A S E P A R A T E O N E , A N D I G A V E I T
2 T O H I M Y E S T E R D A Y . I H A V E N ' T H E A R D B A C K F R O M H I M , B U T I
3 B E L I E V E T H A T W I L L P R O T E C T A N Y I S S U E S R E L A T I N G T O
4 C O N F I D E N T I A L I T Y T H A T M I G H T B E O F C O N C E R N F O R T H E
5 T H I R D - P A R T Y W I T N E S S E S R E L A T I N G T O A N Y F I N A N C I A L
6 D O C U M E N T S O R I N F O R M A T I O N .
7 M R . C H A T F I E L D : Y O U R H O N O R , I S U B M I T T E D T O T H E
8 C O U R T - - T H I S I S D A V I D C H A T F I E L D O N B E H A L F O F J O S E P H
9 P R A S K E . I S U B M I T T E D T O T H E C O U R T A P R O P O S E D O R D E R W H E R E
10 I - -
11 T H E C O U R T : W E L L , W H E N D I D Y O U D O T H I S ? T O D A Y ?
12 M R . A L P E R I N : Y E S , T O D A Y .
13 T H E C O U R T : W E L L , I H A V E N ' T R E A D I T Y E T .
14 M S . W A K I L Y : I H A V E N ' T R E A D I T E I T H E R , Y O U R H O N O R .
15 M R . A L P E R I N : W H E R E I I N C O R P O R A T E D A L L O F
16 M S . W A K I L Y ' S C O N C E R N S A N D T H E C O U R T ' S C O N C E R N S . I T O O K
17 O U T A N Y T H I N G H A V I N G T O D O W I T H A T T O R N E Y S ' F E E S . I T O O K
18 O U T A N Y T H I N G H A V I N G T O D O W I T H S E A L I N G D O C U M E N T S .
19 M S . W A K I L Y : I H A V E N ' T H A D A - -
20 T H E C O U R T : T I M E O U T .
21 Y O U H A V E J U S T G I V E N I T T O C O U N S E L . H A V E A
22 S E A T . L O O K I T O V E R , A N D T H E N G E T B A C K T O M E I N A C O U P L E
23 M O M E N T S . I H A V E N ' T L O O K E D A T I T Y E T .
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25 ( A D I S C U S S I O N W A S H E L D I N C H A M B E R S ,
26 W H I C H W A S N O T R E P O R T E D . )
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9 M . H A R R I S , A N D A N D R E J A R D I N I , )
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15 C O U N T Y O F L O S A N G E L E S , D O H E R E B Y C E R T I F Y T H A T I D I D
16 C O R R E C T L Y R E P O R T T H E P R O C E E D I N G S C O N T A I N E D H E R E I N A N D
17 T H A T T H E F O R E G O I N G P A G E S 1 T H R O U G H 7 , I N C L U S I V E ,
18 C O M P R I S E A F U L L , T R U E , A N D C O R R E C T T R A N S C R I P T O F T H E
19 P R O C E E D I N G S A N D T E S T I M O N Y T A K E N I N T H E M A T T E R O F T H E
20 A B O V E - E N T I T L E D C A U S E O N T U E S D A Y , M A Y 7 , 2 0 1 3 .
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22 D A T E D T H I S 7 T H D A Y O F M A Y , 2 0 1 3 .
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3 DEPT. 17 HON. RICHARD E. RICO, JUDGE
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7 VS ) CASE NO.: BC286924
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8 KNAPP PETERSEN & CLARKE, )
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9 DEFENDANTS. )
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11 REPORTER'S TRANSCRIPT OF ORAL PROCEEDINGS
12 THURSDAY, MAY 16TH, 2013
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14 FOR THE PLAINTIFF: DAVID BLAKE CHATFIELD
ATTORNEY AT LAW
15 2625 TOWNSGATE ROAD
SUITE 330
16 WESTLAKE VILLAGE, CA 91361
(805) 267-1220
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18 FOR THE DEFENDANT: MILLER, LLP
19 515 SOUTH FLOWER STREET
SUITE 2150
20 LOS ANGELES, CA 90071
(213) 493-6375
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22 REPORTED BY JANE HONG-ELSEY
CSR 11975
23 ATKINSON-BAKER, INC.
(800)288-3376
24 JOB NO.: A705401
WWW.DEPO.COM
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1 LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA; THURSDAY, MAY 16TH, 2013
3 --OOO--
4 A.M. SESSION
5 THE COURT: NUMBER 1, GAGGERO.
6 MS. WAKILY: GOOD MORNING, YOUR HONOR. AUSTA
7 WAKILY FOR DEFENDANTS.
8 MR. CHATFIELD: DAVID CHATFIELD ATTORNEY FOR THE
9 NON-PARTICIPANT OPPONENT.
10 THE COURT: THIS IS THE MOTION TO COMPEL. YOU SEE
11 THE COURT'S TENTATIVE? I THINK WE'VE GONE OVER THESE ISSUES
12 BEFORE. THERE WAS CONFUSION ON WHETHER OR NOT DISCOVERY WAS
13 ALLOWED, BUT IT WAS.
14 ANYTHING TO SAY?
15 MR. CHATFIELD: WELL, YOUR HONOR, THERE SHOULD BE
16 NO ISSUE AS TO THE DOCUMENTS. MR. PRASKI TESTIFIED AT THE
17 DEPOSITION THAT HE PREVIOUSLY GAVE ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT HE
18 HAD RESPONSIVE TO THE SUBPOENA TO ME. I SAID ON THE RECORD
19 I GAVE THEM TO BLECHER AND COLLINS AND I BELIEVE THAT
20 BLECHER AND COLLINS PRODUCED THEM.
21 REASON WHY WE'RE HERE IS, AT THE DEPOSITION,
22 MR. PEPPERMAN COULD NOT ANSWER MS. WAKILY'S QUESTIONS ABOUT
23 THE PRODUCTION OF THE DOCUMENTS. HOWEVER, IN THE
24 DEPOSITION, I PROVIDED MS. WAKILY WITH THE BATES NUMBERS IN
25 THE PRODUCTION WHERE THE DOCUMENTS WERE PROVIDED IN RESPONSE
26 TO HER REQUEST. AND I SENT HER THE DOCUMENTS A SECOND TIME.
27 THE COURT: STOP YOU THERE. SO NOW YOU CAN FINISH
28 THE DEPOSITIONS WITH THE DOCUMENTS, RIGHT? CORRECT?

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1 MR. CHATFIELD: YES.
2 THE COURT: OKAY. THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT?
3 MS. WAKILY: THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANT.
4 THE COURT: OKAY. I DON'T SEE WHAT THE PROBLEM
5 IS.
6 MR. CHATFIELD: YOUR HONOR, CAN YOU CLARIFY WHICH
7 DEPOSITION IT IS THAT YOU'RE ORDERING CONTINUED BECAUSE
8 MR. PRASKI'S DEPOSITION WAS --
9 THE COURT: I'M GRANTING DEFENDANT'S REQUEST.
10 PERIOD.
11 THANK YOU.
12 MS. WAKILY: THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR
13 THE COURT: YOU GIVE NOTICE.
14 MS. WAKILY: THANK YOU.
15 MR. CHATFIELD: THANK YOU.
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11 I, JANE HONG-ELSEY, C.S.R. NO. 11975, REPORTER OF THE
12 ABOVE-ENTITLED COURT, DO HEREBY CERTIFY:
13 THAT I AM A CERTIFIED SHORTHAND REPORTER OF THE STATE
14 OF CALIFORNIA, DULY LICENSED TO PRACTICE; THAT I DID REPORT
15 IN STENOTYPE ORAL PROCEEDINGS, PAGES 1 TO 2 UPON HEARING
16 OF THE AFOREMENTIONED CAUSE AT THE TIME AND PLACE HEREIN
17 BEFORE SET FORTH; THAT THE FOREGOING CONSTITUTE TO THE BEST
18 OF MY KNOWLEDGE AND BELIEF, A FULL, TRUE, AND CORRECT
19 TRANSCRIPTION FROM MY SAID SHORTHAND NOTES SO TAKEN FOR THE
20 DATE OF MAY, 16TH, 2013.
21 DATED AT RIVERSIDE, CALIFORNIA MAY 25, 2013.
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24 JANE HONG-ELSEY; C.S.R., 11975
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11 I, JANE HONG-ELSEY, C.S.R. NO. 11975, REPORTER OF THE
12 ABOVE-ENTITLED COURT, DO HEREBY CERTIFY:-
13 THAT I AM A CERTIFIED SHORTHAND REPORTER OF THE STATE.
14 OF CALIFORNIA, DULY LICENSED TO PRACTICE; THAT I DID REPORT
) 15 IN STENOTYPE ORAL PROCEEDINGS, PAGES 1 TO 2 UPON HEA~INd
16 OF THE AFOREMENTIONED CAUSE AT THE TIME AND PLACE HEREIN
17 BEFORE SET FORTH; THAT THE FOREGOING CONSTITUTE TO THE BEST
18 OF MY KNOWLEDGE AND BELIEF, A FULL, TRUE, AND CORRECT
19 TRANSCRIPTION FROM MY SAID SHORTHAND NOTES SO TAKEN FOR THE
20 DATE OF MAY, 16TH, 2013.
21 DATED AT RIVERSIDE, CALIFORNIA MAY 25, 2013.
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