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If God Exists, There Should Be Evidence, I.C.E.S, 2016
1. If God Exists,
There Should Be Evidence
If the universe exists (or any
material thing), there are four
possible explanations
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3. The Heavens Declare
the Glory of God
How Does That Apply To Us?
This NASA Picture Has Been
Called
“The Eye Of God”
4. When I consider your heavens, the work of your
fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have set
in place, what is man that you are mindful of him,
the son of man that you care for him? Ps 8:3-4
When you read that verse, do you really
believe that everything is the “the work of
His fingers”?
I’ve got a treat for you today! But first…
6. God’s Witness in Psalm 19
• Psalm 19 is Divinely divided into 2 sections;
– Vs. 1-6, Witness of God’s World
– General revelation
– Vs. 7-14, Witness of God’s Word
– Special revelation
7. Psalm 19:1, The Work Of His Hands
• NAU Psalm 19:1 For the choir director. A Psalm of David.
The heavens are telling of the glory of God; And their
expanse is declaring the work of His hands. 2 Day to
day pours forth speech, And night to night reveals
knowledge. 3 There is no speech, nor are there words;
Their voice is not heard. 4 Their line has gone out
through all the earth, And their utterances to the end of
the world. In them He has placed a tent for the sun, 5
Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber; It
rejoices as a strong man to run his course. 6 Its rising is
from one end of the heavens, And its circuit to the
other end of them; And there is nothing hidden from its
heat.
8. Testimony Of God’s Work
• NAU Psalm 19:1 …The heavens are telling of the
glory of God; And their expanse [the
firmament, expanse, sky] is declaring the work
of His hands.
• I brought in an actual piece of His work!
• Here is one of God’s rocks.
• If this was the only piece, how could we
explain it’s existence.
9. “If something exists now, then Something
exists necessarily.”
• If there was a time when there was absolutely nothing
in existence.
• What would be in existence now?
• Absolutely nothing. You cannot get something from
nothing. Nothing produces No thing.
• The world does exist (and it is passing away), that
demands that there has to be something that has
always existed. And, that Something must be self
existent. An uncaused cause, an uncreated Creator, a
First Cause.
• The universe exists, is dying a heat death, is expanding,
had a beginning. It is an “effect” and therefore had to
have a cause.
10. 4 Explanations for This Rock
• I believe there are only 4 possible explanations
for this rock.
• I.C.E.S
• No that’s not how we spell the plural of “ice”
• 1. Illusion
• 2. Eternally existent
• 3. Self existent
• 4. Created
11. 4 Explanations for This Rock
• 1. Illusion
• Absolutely no evidence for your existence as just an
illusion. Or that we share dreams.
• An illusion requires a sender and a receiver. An
illusion can’t be to just itself. Illusions don’t have
illusions. Only minds have illusions.
• Where do illusions come from? Who generates,
coordinates, and sends them?
• Christian Science, Eastern Religions, Word Faith
12. 4 Explanations for This Rock
• 1. Illusion
• 2. Eternally existent
• Norm Geisler presents “S.U.R.G.E.”
• Second Law
• Universe is expanding
• Radiation echo
• Great mass of matter
• End of infinite time is impossible
13. 4 Explanations for This Rock
• 1. Illusion
• 2. Eternally existent
• The first cause must be immutable, the entire
universe is changing, therefore it can't possibly be
eternal. It would have already changed completely
and died a heat death.
• It is logically impossible that time could be passing,
and still be eternal. It would have already passed
away in eternity past.”
• NAU Malachi 3:6 "For I, the LORD, do not change…
14. 4 Explanations for This Rock
• 1. Illusion
• 2. Eternally existent
• 3. Self existent?
• This is a logical contradiction, requiring existence before
existence. “It” must be, before “it” is.
• The “Big Bang” doesn’t help. It is impossible for sterilized
water and hot rock to become a tomato. Let alone a farmer
or philosopher. Mutation and survival of the fittest, only
remove or destroy genetic code. Evolution has no means to
write or increase genetic information. It is deductive and
destructive. Birth defects!
• If nothing ever existed, then nothing would be.
• Do you know what “nothing” is?
• Aristotle said, “Nothing” is what rocks dream about.”
15. Is The Cosmos Self Existent?
• Carl Sagan used to always say,
• “The Cosmos is all that is or was or ever will
be.”
• Self Existence and Eternally Existent
• Blind faith in why there is something rather
than nothing
16. “If you exist, then Something exists
necessarily.”
• You are not self existent, eternally existent, or an
illusion, therefore you require a First Cause who
has personhood, is more powerful than your
“terrarium” and is self existent.
• I “am” therefore God/First Cause exists.
• I will have to paraphrase this, Ravi Zacharias was
once asked by a college student, “How can I prove
that I exist?”
• Ravi 's answer was “Who shall I say is asking?”
17. 4 Explanations for This Rock
• So, the universe is real (not imagined). It had a
beginning, will end, so it cannot be eternal. It
is an effect, requiring a cause, and could not
have caused itself before it was.
• 1. Illusion
• 2. Eternally existent
• 3. Self existent
• 4. Created
18. I.C.E.S.
• The universe is contingent, dependent, derived, not self-
existent, had a beginning, and is going to end. What started
this effect?
• A big bang requires a Big Banger. Nothing bangs without a
cause. Gases expand with 600 times more force than their
gravity exerts on each other in attraction.
• Empirical science cannot answer the question of how all
space, time, matter, and energy started. Because we cannot
set up an experiment and start multiple universes, to test
our theory.
• Single events in the past require forensic, or historic
science. We examine the physical evidence, eyewitness
testimony, and recorded information. The Bible passes the 3
bibliographic tests. (S.P.A.M.S), Science, Prophecy, Archeology,
Manuscripts, Statistical Probability
19. I.C.E.S., The Bible Declares A Creator
• The Creator of the universe must be self-existent, immutable,
omnipotent, alive, and a person. Also, outside of, and independent
of, the time, space, material universe.
• Manmade gods whether of wood or stone, or of the philosophies
and religions of men are not the God of creation.
• The God of the Bible is the only Creator of all things, and His Word
declares it;
• NAU Isaiah 43:10…understand that I am He. Before Me there was no
God formed, And there will be none after Me. 11 "I, even I, am the
LORD, And there is no savior besides Me… [Deuteronomy 4:35,
Isaiah 44:8, 1 Samuel 2:2, Psalm 86:8]
• NAU Isaiah 46:9 "Remember the former things long past, For I am
God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me, 10
Declaring the end from the beginning And from ancient times things
which have not been done…
20. Testimony Across Time
• NAU Psalm 19:2 Day to day pours forth speech,
And night to night reveals knowledge.
• Gen 1:16-19 God made two great lights…the
fourth day.
• Gen 1:27-31 God created man in his own
image… the sixth day.
• Every human is accountable
21. Testimony Across Languages
• NAU Psalm 19:3 There is no speech, nor are there words;
Their voice is not heard.
• Acts 17:25-28 neither is He served by human hands, as
though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to
all life and breath and all things; 26 and He made from
one, every nation of mankind to live on all the face of
the earth, having determined their appointed times, and
the boundaries of their habitation, 27 that they should
seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find
Him, though He is not far from each one of us; 28 for in
Him we live and move and exist…
22. Testimony Across Distance
• NAU Psalm 19:4 Their line has gone out through
all the earth, And their utterances to the end
of the world. In them He has placed a tent for
the sun,
• How far?
23. Testimony Across Distance
• If a trip of 1,000 miles cost $.01
• A trip to the moon would cost $2.38
• A trip to the sun would cost $930
• A trip to the nearest star would cost
$260,000,000
• NAU Psalm 8:3 When I consider Your heavens, the
work of Your fingers, The moon and the stars,
which You have ordained;
24. Ps 19:4 Their Line?
• NAU Psalm 19:4 Their line has gone out through all
the earth…
• <06957b> ו ַקqav )876a(
• Meaning: a line…
• Usage: circumference*(1), line(16), measuring
line(3).
• DLK adds, we use a “measuring line” to test,
evaluate, and as a witness of straightness.
25. Testimony Everywhere The Sun Shines
• NAU Psalm 19:6 Its rising is from one end of the
heavens, And its circuit to the other end of them;
And there is nothing hidden from its heat.
• There is no place you can hide.
• NAU Psalm 104:19 He made the moon for the seasons;
The sun knows the place of its setting.
• NAU Deuteronomy 4:19 …the sun and the moon and
the stars…those which the LORD your God has
allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven.
26. Denying Him Deserves Judgment
• NAU Job 9:7 Who commands the sun not to shine, And
sets a seal upon the stars; 8 Who alone stretches out
the heavens And tramples down the waves of the
sea; 9 Who makes the Bear, Orion and the Pleiades,
And the chambers of the south; 10 Who does great
things, unfathomable, And wondrous works without
number.
• NAU Job 31:26 If I have looked at the sun when it
shone Or the moon going in splendor, 27 And my
heart became secretly enticed, And my hand threw a
kiss from my mouth, 28 That too would have been an
iniquity calling for judgment, For I would have
denied God above.
27. The Sun, Moon, And Stars Testify
• NAU Psalm 136:7 To Him who made the great
lights, For His lovingkindness is everlasting: 8
The sun to rule by day, For His
lovingkindness is everlasting, 9 The moon
and stars to rule by night, For His
lovingkindness is everlasting.
• NAU Psalm 19:4 …through all the earth, And
their utterances to the end of the world…
28. If You Have Seen The Sun
• If the sun has shined on you, you are
accountable for it’s testimony about God.
• If you saw a burning bush it would only be
natural, logical, and scientific to assume there
was someone/something that caused the
burning.
• It would be unnatural, illogical, and
unscientific to assume there was no
one/nothing that caused the burning.
29. Psalm 19:1b, Cause & Effect
• Psalm 19:1 …The heavens are telling of the
glory of God; And their expanse is declaring
the work of His hands.
• Every work must have a worker.
• Paintings have painters.
• Buildings have builders.
• Every effect must have an adequate cause.
30. Isaiah 45 Identifies The First Cause
• NAU Isaiah 45:12 "It is I who made the earth, and
created man upon it. I stretched out the heavens
with My hands And I ordained all their host.
• NAU Isaiah 45:5 "I am the LORD, and there is no
other; Besides Me there is no God…6 That men
may know from the rising to the setting of the sun
That there is no one besides Me. I am the LORD,
and there is no other, 7 The One forming light and
creating darkness… [Isaiah 45:18,22-25, Job 12:7-12]
31. Required Of The First Cause
• Powerful
• Personal
• Provider
• Apart from the Effect
• Our DNA is an error correcting, digital code. A digital
code requires a sender and a receiver, a method of
communicating, an agreed upon protocol. Paul Revere's
ride encompassed all that in simple code.
• The requirement of a First Cause is so basic and
essential that….
32. Men Are Without Excuse
Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world
God's invisible qualities-his eternal power and
divine nature-have been clearly seen, being
understood from what has been made, so that
men are without excuse.
NAU Jeremiah 31:35 Thus says the LORD, Who gives
the sun for light by day And the fixed order of the
moon and the stars for light by night, Who stirs up
the sea so that its waves roar; The LORD of hosts
is His name:
33. Innocent Native Rhetorical ?’s
• NAU Romans 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON
THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."
• 14 How then will they call on Him in whom they
have not believed? How will they believe in Him
whom they have not heard? And how will they
hear without a preacher?
• NAU Romans 10:18 But I say, surely they have
never heard, have they?
• Indeed they have; "THEIR VOICE HAS GONE OUT
INTO ALL THE EARTH, AND THEIR WORDS TO THE
ENDS OF THE WORLD."
34. God’s Witness in Psalm 19
• Psalm 19 is Divinely divided into 2 sections;
– Vs. 1-6, Witness of God’s World
– General revelation
–Vs. 7-14, Witness of God’s Word
–Special revelation
–NAU Psalm 19:7 The law of the LORD is
perfect, restoring the soul; The
testimony of the LORD is sure, making
wise the simple.
35. Witness of God’s Word
• God’s Word says;
• NAU Psalm 19:8 The precepts of the LORD are
right, rejoicing the heart; The commandment
of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
• You may be asking, “Well, what else does
God’s Word say?”
36. Nothing in all creation is hidden
from God's sight Everything is
uncovered and laid bare before
the eyes of him to whom we must
give account. Heb 4:13
37. Rom 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short
of the glory of God,
38. Rom 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but
the gift of God is eternal life in
Christ Jesus our Lord.
39. John 1:12
Yet to all who received him, to
those who believed in his
name, he gave the right to
become children of God
40. Since men are without excuse.
What will you say on Judgment Day?
What will you say today?
41. Now Is “The Day Of Salvation”
• NAS 2 Corinthians 6:1 And working together
with Him, we also urge you not to receive the
grace of God in vain--
• 2 for He says, "At the acceptable time I
listened to you, And on the day of salvation I
helped you"; behold, now is "the acceptable
time," behold, now is "the day of salvation "--
42. In Conclusion
• When you are
questioned about God’s
existence remember
these ICES caps on our
world;
• 1. Illusion
• 2. Created
• 3. Eternally existent
• 4. Self existent
44. I.C.E.S.,TODAY'S CREATION MOMENT
ARE WE LIVING IN A SIMULATION?
• If you had nothing better to do with your time, you might enjoy thinking about such things as:
"How do I know that the whole world isn't just a figment of someone's imagination?" Or, "How
do I know that the whole universe didn't suddenly pop into existence 20 minutes ago?"
• Neil deGrasse Tyson speaking at the National Air and Space Museum in 2009According to an
article in Tech Insider, "Most physicists and philosophers agree that it's impossible to prove
definitively that we don't live in a simulation and that the universe is real."
• No, I'm not making this up. And yes, these are questions that philosophers and evolutionists
spend their time talking about. As a participant in the 2016 Isaac Asimov Memorial Debate at
the American Museum of Natural History, Neil deGrasse Tyson and his fellow panelists
discussed whether the universe is a simulation. If you saw the 1999 film The Matrix, you know
what I'm talking about. Tyson said the likelihood of the universe being a simulation "may be very
high," adding that "it is easy for me to imagine that everything in our lives is just the creation of
some other entity for their entertainment."
• What's this? Could Tyson be talking about God? As an evolutionist, this is something he would
not do. Extraterrestrials maybe, but God never! While philosophers might enjoy such
discussions, don't you prefer spending your time learning how the real universe works and
giving praise to the God who created it?
• Notes: Kevin Loria, "Neil deGrasse Tyson thinks there's a 'very high' chance the universe is just a simulation," Tech Insider,
4/21/16. Photo: Neil deGrasse Tyson speaking at the National Air and Space Museum in 2009. (PD)
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45. Psalm 19:1-4
Who Does The Father Draw?, gracethrufaith.com
• Q. Concerning “Who Does the Father Draw?”…I totally agree with you except for the part that God doesn’t
call everyone. I believe He does, either through hearing the Word or through observation of creation
(Romans 1:18-20; Psalm 19:1-4; Job 12:7-12). Also John 12:32 says “When I am lifted up I will draw all men
unto Myself”. I truly believe that every lost person has been drawn by the Holy Spirit at some point in their
lives, probably several times, but continued to reject that calling. Therefore, at the Great White Throne
judgment no lost person will be able to accuse God that He isn’t fair because He never called them. Actually,
I think we are in agreement that people send themselves to eternal judgment and that they did indeed have
a choice.
• A. Like you, I believe the door to salvation is open to everyone during their lifetime. We know that God
wants everyone to be saved (2 Peter 3:9) and Paul said everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be
saved (Romans 10:13). My point in saying God only calls those who he knows will respond comes
fromRomans 8:29-30.
• “For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the
firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also
justified; those he justified, he also glorified.”
• Notice there’s no fallout between any of the steps from foreknowledge to glorification. The ones He
foreknew He predestined. The ones He predestined He called. The ones He called He justified, and the
ones He justified He glorified. The process begins with God, who knows the end from the beginning, seeing
in advance those who will become His. And everyone who enters the process completes it. Based on that, it
would seem that if He were to call everyone, then everyone would be saved.
• But as we know that’s not the case. Therefore, I can only conclude that there must be a difference between
being drawn by the Holy Spirit and being called by God. It must be that although the Holy Spirit draws all
men, some harden their hearts against this and resist. At the GWT judgment I believe those who resisted
unto death will be enabled to recall all the times in their life when this happened, until finally their hearts
became too hard to penetrate. This will show them to be without excuse.
• After years of study I’ve become fully persuaded that each of us controls our own destiny where our
salvation is concerned. Otherwise God is neither fair nor just.
• http://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/father-draw-follow/
46. Psalm 19:1, IN THE MIDST OF THE
WATERS, TODAY'S CREATION MOMENT
• What was the Earth like before the Flood? Bible believing scientists are giving us
some surprising answers about the incredibly beautiful Earth God originally
created.
• In Genesis 1:6 we read that God divided the waters, leaving waters above and
below the firmament. The firmament spoken of here is our atmosphere. We can
easily understand that the waters below the firmament are the oceans. But what
are the waters above the firmament?
• One theory offered by Bible believing scientists is that the waters above the
firmament may have been a water vapor canopy. A water vapor canopy above
most of the atmosphere would have had the same effect as the roof of a
greenhouse does today. The Earth would have been a warm, tropical place, with
very even temperatures from pole to pole. Under such conditions there would be
no storms nor winter as we know it. This theory, say creation scientists, would
explain why we find evidences of tropical plants and animals even in the far north
and on the Antarctic continent.
• Creation scientist who hold to this theory have suggested that Genesis7:11 may
be referring to the collapse of this canopy when it says that the windows of
heaven “opened up.” Yes, the Bible offers us a believable history of major events
that can be accounted for in only thousands of years instead of millions!
• Notes: Bixler, R. Russell. 1986. “Does the Bible speak of a vapor canopy?” Bible Science Newsletter, Nov. p. 1. Photo: The vapor canopy theory was proposed in The Genesis Flood by
John C. Whitcomb and Henry M. Morris.
47. Psalm 19:1 Rom 1 Acts 17:24
• Thomas Merton said, “Creation had been given
to men as a clean window through which the
light of God could shine into men’s souls. Sun
and moon, night and day, rain, the sea, the
crops, the flowering tree, all these things were
transparent. They spoke to man not of
themselves only but of Him who made
them. Nature was symbolic. But the
progressive degradation of man after the fall
led the Gentiles further and further from this
truth. Nature became opaque.”
http://www.creationmoments.com/radio/transcripts/are-we-living-simulation
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2 Timothy 2:23 "But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.”
Who Does The Father Draw? Follow Up
http://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/father-draw-follow/
Psalm 19:1-4; Job 12:7-12 2 Peter 3:9 John 12:32 Romans 1:18-20, 8:29-30, Called Or Drawn By God, gracethrufaith.com
Wednesday, January 8th, 2014Salvation
KJV Psalm 19:1 <To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.> The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
TODAY'S CREATION MOMENT
IN THE MIDST OF THE WATERS
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