1) Al Garcia joins a non-duality discussion group and finds that the teachings resonate with him. 2) Over time and through questioning from other group members, Al realizes there is no permanent self or "I" and life simply happens without any controller. 3) Al's insights satisfy another group member, Elena Nezhinsky, who then recommends confirming Al as pre-liberated so he can help others in the group realize non-duality.

1. Al Garcia Thanks Thassa for adding 'me ' to the group. I've seen a lot of groups and this one seems to be my cup of tea.<br />August 14 at 10:46am · Like · 1 person<br />Al Garcia Of course that is up to 'You<br />August 14 at 10:47am · Li<br />Thassa Amzwar Hi Al. Welcome. Have you yet seen that there is no you anywhere at all?<br />August 14 at 4:36pm · Like ·2 people<br />Al Garcia Yes it is quite obvious that there is only seeing happening but no seer. You could say that the seer and the seen are one but that. also turns out to be a concept.From this vantage point , which isnt a vantage point at all, every-thing is a concept and what is left is no-thing which cannot be described.<br />August 14 at 8:24pm · Like · 3 people<br />Thassa Amzwar Beautiful, Al. Good to have you here.<br />August 14 at 8:51pm · Like<br />Al Garcia Thassa being unfamiliar with this group I am curious about confirmations as I've read in some threads. What determines a confirmation? Is it a group thing or can anyone confirm anyone else and does the confirmation have to be ok'd by the group ?<br />August 14 at 10:58pm · Like<br />Thassa Amzwar The confirmations are done by the more experienced Ruthless Truth group members and is determined by a reading of the thread in which the individual works to see no self. Once the individual expresses that no self has been seen, various questions may be asked to determine whether we feel more pointers may be required. It is by no means an exact science, however, and is not the final say-so. That is entirely up to the individual. If someone is quot;
confirmedquot;
we are basically determining that no further pointers to no self are needed and that the individual has agreed to that. Both parties are quot;
satisfiedquot;
that this is done. Some folks such as yourself have already seen this before coming to the group. They may be asked questions and as in your case, the answer you'd given made thing clear in my opinion. Others may have questions of their own, however. Once someone is confirmed, they are free and encouraged to help out in any way... Paying it forward. If not, they may decide to continue in the group as an observer with occasional questions. Continued questions surrounding no self are always welcome and encouraged. Hope that answers your questions, Al. Thanks for asking.<br />August 15 at 1:01am · Like<br />Elena Nezhinsky ‎Al, do you exist?<br />August 15 at 2:17am · Like<br />Al Garcia Al is just a label that has been used to allow this body-mind mechanism to live in the relative world. It is simply a concept That if identified with creates stress and unnessary suffering.<br />August 15 at 2:25am · L<br />Elena Nezhinsky So, you exist or not?<br />August 15 at 2:28am · Like<br />Al Garcia ‎'I' do not exist.<br />August 15 at 2:32am · Like<br />Elena Nezhinsky Who is living life?<br />August 15 at 3:14am · Like<br />Al Garcia No one is living life. Life is simply lifeing. It sounds silly but there is actually no one at the controls. That is the Great mystery how allthis could be happening and nobody in control.<br />August 15 at 3:26am · Like · 3 people<br />Elena Nezhinsky What brought you to this realization?<br />August 15 at 3:27am · Like<br />Al Garcia After years of the usual meditation stuff and and going through countless teachers I came across the non-duality teachings and resonated with some non-dual pointers. I began asking myself questions not unlike the questions you ask here and began to have insights of the no-self 'experience'. They were every once in a while. As 'time' passed the seeing was less and less covered by identification with thoughts until this seeing became as natural as breathing. Now life simply flows and although there is an I for practical purposes it is clearly without a doubt seen that there is no one there.<br />August 15 at 4:29am · Like<br />Elena Nezhinsky were you before the realization?<br />August 15 at 4:31am · Like<br />Al Garcia It is seen now that 'I' never was . It was all a figment of imagination.<br />August 15 at 4:35am · Like<br />Elena Nezhinsky Why you put I in apostrofes?<br />August 15 at 4:36am · Like<br />Al Garcia To show it's imaginary status but it's not really nessecary depending on who is reading it.<br />August 15 at 4:41am · Like · 2 people<br />Elena Nezhinsky Al, thanks for letting me grill you:) Confirm from me. Even if that is not important for you, you came here for some reason, right? So we do 2 jobs here - show people there is no I OR confirm people who are pre-liberated, like you, so you can help others to see the truth of being, if you inspired. Warm hugs! See ya around:)<br />August 15 at 4:45am · Like<br />Al Garcia Thank you Elena. I just read your Are you Ready page and it's spot on from here. I will try to help whenever I can but as you know there has to be a sincere effort from the other side.<br />August 15 at 4:51am · Like · 1 person<br />Elena Nezhinsky Yes, I know :)<br />August 15 at 4:53am · Like<br />Elena Nezhinsky ‎Adrian De Cleir, we need to put Al in the LC queue for confirm as pre-lib. Thank you!<br />8 hours ago · Like<br />