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  1. 1. <ul><li>C. A. U. S. E. </li></ul>Citizens Against the Unnecessary Sewer Expansion
  2. 2. <ul><li>D a n T h e i l e </li></ul><ul><li>K a t h y S c h o o n m a k e r </li></ul><ul><li>G e o r g e S c h o o n m a k e r </li></ul><ul><li>D e b O ’C o n n e l l </li></ul><ul><li>C h a r l i e D a r t </li></ul><ul><li> J o h n L e e </li></ul><ul><li> J i m S a l w a y </li></ul>
  3. 3. APPROVAL OF PERF PROGRAM Tim Frederick updated the Board on the Public Employees Retirement Program. He informed the Board that the cost had risen over last year’s estimates. Discussion ensued. Questions were asked and answered. Robert Coder moved and Jim Kidd seconded the motion to approve the PERF program as presented and to pay the $103,558.00 from land sales for prior service credit for employees, which motion passed unanimously. STEUBEN LAKES REGIONAL WASTE DISTRICT BOARD OF TRUSTEES MEETING October 16, 2008 08-10SP MEMBERS PRESENT: MEMBERS ABSENT : Jack Bledsoe Bob Coder Bill Heckley Jim Kidd Lyndon Tucker Jim Van Vlerah George Pifer
  4. 4. SLRWD <ul><li>Taken from the District minutes of the 1-12-2010 meeting: </li></ul><ul><li>(President)” Bill Heckley added that </li></ul><ul><li>the District had no intentions of pursuing an unwanted project .” </li></ul>
  5. 5. <ul><li>Taken from the SLRWD District minutes of the 1-12-2010 meeting: </li></ul><ul><li>Superintendent Frederick stated: </li></ul><ul><li>“ Without public interest, the District did not intend on pursuing a project.” </li></ul>Pg 2
  6. 6. Studies <ul><li>In 1978 and 1979 there were extensive studies performed by the EPA, Corporate & Individual Consultants, U. S. Soil & Water Svc., Steuben Co. Health Dept., Tri-State Univ., Purdue Univ., and others. </li></ul>See note on next slide
  7. 7. <ul><li>Note: These 1979 studies are the most extensive studies done on our lakes. There have been extensive samplings by individual groups at different intervals spread over several years. </li></ul>
  8. 8. Statement <ul><li>The SLRWD has not done any studies on the water our lakes that contradict the studies done by the Lakes Council, Indiana Clean Lakes Program, the Steuben County Health Department, Trine University (Tri-State) or the EPA. </li></ul>
  9. 9. I do not feel the District can make the claim that our water is unclean! … and greater yet, that installing this massive sewer system will improve the quality of our water.
  10. 10. <ul><li>Mick, Rowland & Associates was the local firm that proposed the sewer district establish an elaborate sewer system of feeder lines to a central processing plant and/or leach field(s) for treatment. </li></ul>
  11. 11. *Mick, Rowland & Assoc <ul><li>“ *..that private residential septic systems is thought to be causing the lakes to suffer from excessive, phosphorous, low oxygen content & high numbers of phytoplanxton**” </li></ul><ul><li>Note: The above has never established as being a true fact and contradicts the conclusions of the EPA on Steuben Lakes. </li></ul>( **drifting plants) EPA study February 22-23, 1979 fi-to-plangk-ton
  12. 12. Mick, Rowland & Assoc <ul><li>“ Therefore it is much too easy for waste to enter the lakes and ground water which makes it hazardous for agriculture, recreation and public health” </li></ul>
  13. 13. Why? <ul><li>“ Part of the blame for the poor reputation of septic systems can be traced to the popularity of conventional sewer systems in the 1960’ and 70’s when more government funding was available.... And engineers, local officials and community residents sometimes may be easily impressed by high-tech solutions to problems.” </li></ul>www.nesc.wvu.edu/pdf
  14. 14. EPA <ul><li>The EPA recommended that the “district” use a Limited Alternative Action. </li></ul>That if a central system were implemented the liability would shift from the homeowners to the “district”. 1978 – 79 study
  15. 15. SLRWD <ul><li>The “District” chose and implemented the “Mick, Rowland & Assoc. Plan” over the EPA “LAA” recommendation. *This company complained that they had invested time & monies and were not being properly compensated and local politics was interjected to appease. </li></ul><ul><li>(* My opinion – Jim ) </li></ul>
  16. 16. EPA <ul><li>The LAA would minimize potential hazards to drinking water by: </li></ul><ul><li>inspecting existing wells and filter systems ; </li></ul><ul><li>2) sampling all wells, and </li></ul><ul><li>3) selecting on-site and off –site measures to stop actual or potential drinking water for contamination. </li></ul><ul><li>Pg 35 </li></ul>
  17. 17. EPA studies <ul><li>Covered these basic concerns: </li></ul><ul><li>The high cost of a centralized system; </li></ul><ul><li>Uncertain water quality improvement; </li></ul><ul><li>Economic effects on area residents; </li></ul><ul><li>The potential for induced growth and </li></ul><ul><li>The secondary impacts of growth. </li></ul>Chapter 1
  18. 18. EPA <ul><li>The EPA recommended that the “district” use a Limited Alternative Action and details the following topics. </li></ul>A – Septic Tanks B – Groundwater C – Population and Land Use D – Economic Impact EPA-904/9-79-040
  19. 19. <ul><li>The Limited Action Alternative (“LAA”) would : </li></ul><ul><li>Minimize potential hazards to drinking water; </li></ul><ul><li>Have all existing wells and filter fields tested; </li></ul><ul><li>Select on-site and off-site measures to stop actual or possible drinking water contamination; </li></ul><ul><li>Actually repair wells (such as grouting) of wells may often prove less expensive… </li></ul><ul><li>Pg 35 </li></ul>
  20. 20. EPA recommends LAA That the annual cost to each homeowner under the Mick & Rowland Plan as compared to the LAA Plan would be a 9 to 1 ratio. In 1979 dollars $450.00 as compared to $50.00*. (decreased to $41.00 **) pg. 36 *and pg 31**
  21. 21. Fact The EPA statements clearly state that: “ when septic systems are properly designed, constructed and maintained they effectively reduce or eliminate most human health or environmental threats posed by pollutants in household water. *** *** EPA homeowners guide to Septic Systems 832-B-02-005
  22. 22. Inspect-a-Pedia <ul><li>Septic systems properly maintained will last for 40 years and even indefinitely if properly maintained and may be repaired to conform to accepted standards. </li></ul><ul><li>Inspect-a-pedia.com </li></ul>
  23. 23. SLRWD <ul><li>Board President stated at the Jan. 12 th Special Meeting: “ ..there is a problem in the proposed area and private septic systems eventually filter into surrounding lakes, streams and drinking water systems.” </li></ul>
  24. 24. <ul><li>“ The SLRWD would act as the recipient and distributor of Construction Grant Funds. Homeowners who wished to improve their on-site facilities could voluntarily apply to the SLRWD for assistance” </li></ul><ul><li>Pg 17 </li></ul>
  25. 25. EPA <ul><li>“ As a result of the various field studies conducted by EPA it can be concluded the most ST/SAS’s are working well.” </li></ul><ul><li>pg 25 </li></ul>
  26. 26. EPA <ul><li>The EPA recommended that the “district” use a Limited Alternative Action. </li></ul>That the “district” determine any homeowner whose well or sewage systems was determined to be “in need” be given “assistance” to correct.
  27. 27. Septic system effluents <ul><li>“ Movement of water and associated nitrates, phosphates, coli-form and bacteria rarely move more than 5 meters from the filter bed, even in old systems” </li></ul><ul><li>Ground Water and Assessment Program – Baxter, Minn. </li></ul><ul><li>Comparable soil types </li></ul>
  28. 28. EPA <ul><li>The EPA recommended that the “district” use a Limited Alternative Action. </li></ul>“ The effects of more than 50 years of septic tank or absorption systems on water quality is insignificant.” Pg 35
  29. 29. Purdue University <ul><li>“ Soils effectively treat effluent through chemical, physical and biological processes. Naturally occurring microorganisms in the soil feed on organic contaminants in the effluent, effectively breaking them down and removing them from wastewater.” </li></ul>Purdue Soil, and Environmental Sciences 10-3-2010 Lee, Franzmeier and Jones
  30. 30. Septic Tank Discharge <ul><li>“ The effluent exits the pipe and trickles through the field.” … “It also filters out many of the bacteria, viruses and nutrients before the effluent reaches groundwater.” </li></ul>www.anjec.org/pdfs/RP_Septic.pdf
  31. 31. Septic System Designs Millions of aerobic bacteria live in the soil (30 million or so organisms live in a teaspoon of soil) These aerobic bacteria thrive in sewage trenches consuming their food source. These clean the sewage, and everything in sewage is organic. Nature is cool! www/: eco-nomics.com
  32. 32. The need for improved management around the Steuben Lakes is not as extensive as stated in the Facilities Plan. The 1979 remote sensing and ground survey of ST/STAs located only 4 malfunctioning septic systems or sewage absorption fields in which effluent back-up to the soil surface occurred. Pg 20 - C
  33. 33. Comparison <ul><li>Your septic tank is just a microcosm of the “big sewage tank” established by the SLRWD near Flint. </li></ul>
  34. 34. EPA on groundwater <ul><li>“ Based on the results of the 1979 well water study the EPA c oncludes that the quality of groundwater (bacteriological and chemical) in the Study Area is of a high standard.” </li></ul><ul><li>Page 35 </li></ul>
  35. 35. EPA on population & land use <ul><li>Summer population in the Proposed Service Area is expected to increase by 2000. Under the Facilities Proposed Plan it would increase by 33%. Under the LAA the growth would be limited to 22%. </li></ul>Pg 35
  36. 36. Land use <ul><li>“ The LAA plan would result in 40% more land use to accommodate 33% fewer people than under the Facilities Proposed Plan”, making the density much less per square mile. </li></ul><ul><li>The Facilities Plan would cause an increased stress upon the infrastructure and resources in the “district”. </li></ul>
  37. 37. Environmental Impacts <ul><li>“ However, the induced growth that is associated with sewering in the system alternatives (Facilities Proposed Plan -Mick, Rowland & Assoc)* may increase pressures for development of wetlands not protected by State ownership” </li></ul><ul><li>Pg 30 * added for clarification </li></ul>
  38. 38. Dept. of Interior <ul><li>“ Basically, we are pleased to note that the Limited Action Alternative is the recommended plan and will preserve remaining wetlands in the area”. </li></ul><ul><li>Feb 4, 1980 letter </li></ul>
  39. 39. 24.7% or 25 million households across the U. S. use septic systems and.. “The total volume of waste disposed of through septic systems is over 1,000,000,000 (trillion) gallons per year” www.nesc.wvu.edu/pdf
  40. 40. Truth <ul><li>While the water does reenter the aquifer the effects of septic tank separation, filter bed microbes and the natural percolation of the soil changes the characteristics of raw waste to nearly pure water. In addition the separation of the near shallow aquifer and the deep or confined aquifer from which wells draw their water is separated, generally by 3 layers and for the well to be contaminated the points must intersect. </li></ul>
  41. 42. <ul><li>“ Septic systems that are properly designed, installed and operated properly maintained will treat wastewater as well as any municipal sewage system. In fact, some septic systems do a much better job!” </li></ul>http://the lakeguy.wordpress.com (lakefront living)
  42. 43. EPA <ul><li>“ Steep slopes exist in many parts of the Proposed Service Area (Steuben Co.), particularly in the east. Construction of sewers and treatment plants may cause substantial erosion on these slopes, with consequent deterioration of water quality.” </li></ul><ul><li>Chapter 1 Pg 1 </li></ul>
  43. 44. EPA <ul><li>EPA recommends that the “district” not run sewer lines but instead concentrate on testing wells and septic systems to ascertain if remedial action could correct any deficiencies. </li></ul>The EPA recommended that the “district” use a Limited Alternative Action.
  44. 45. EPA <ul><li>The EPA recommended that the “district” use a Limited Alternative Action. </li></ul>Stated that “low pressure lines” would not be effective if used over the distance required for a central system .
  45. 46. EPA <ul><li>The EPA recommended that the “district” use a Limited Alternative Action. </li></ul>“ That the running of sewer lines would cause harm to the environment.”
  46. 47. EPA <ul><li>The EPA recommended that the “district” use a Limited Alternative Action. </li></ul>That if a line ruptured the damage to the environment, the lakes and the water would be very significant. Page 20
  47. 48. SLRWD <ul><li>Statement by SLRWD President Heckley: </li></ul><ul><li>… Hampton Inn & the Holiday Inn had not requested sewers, but the Ramada Inn and Pokagon had, along with a number of residents. </li></ul>Jan 12, 2010 pg 3
  48. 49. Dept. of Natural Resources <ul><li>“ The area is suitable for sites of prehistoric occupation, and there must be an archaeological reconnaissance of all undisturbed areas which will be impacted by construction associated with the project.” </li></ul><ul><li>Feb 14, 1980 letter </li></ul>
  49. 50. Pokagon <ul><li>Kathy, George and Jim met with </li></ul><ul><li>and /or spoke directly to some supervisors of Pokagon State Park, and all have indicated they have no desire to be included, although the decision would be at the state level, in connecting to the SLRWD system. </li></ul>
  50. 51. EPA <ul><li>Recommends that Pokagon State Park be a “No Action Alternative”. </li></ul>1978 – 79 study
  51. 52. Wetlands <ul><li>Are there any wetlands, animal biomass, snag species or streams to be considered? </li></ul>
  52. 53. SLRWD <ul><li>Based upon the statements made by both the SLRWD President & Plant Superintendent we think they have full intentions of including the effluent from Pokagon State Park in the plan for their next expansion. </li></ul>
  53. 54. Recent studies <ul><li>Studies performed by the Steuben Lakes Council, L.A. R. E. and Indiana Clean Lakes Program have all returned conclusions that Big and Little Otter Lakes are improving each year. </li></ul>
  54. 55. Going green? <ul><li>With my current system I use no chemicals, no electricity and discharge no waste directly into any waterway, so why would I want to pay for a system that uses electricity, chemicals and dumps directly into a body of water? </li></ul>
  55. 56. and more… <ul><li>My system will operate even if the power grid were to be interrupted by weather or a terrorists attack! … </li></ul>
  56. 57. Tri-State University <ul><li>“ Less than 10% of the 101 samples were confirmed positive for total coli-forms. Less than 2% of the samples were positive for both total and fecal coli-forms. </li></ul><ul><li>Concluded on Pg 5 </li></ul>
  57. 58. EPA <ul><li>The “Percentage of Population that would experience Financial Burden & Displacement Pressure: </li></ul><ul><li> Financial Displacement Can </li></ul><ul><li> Burden Pressure Afford </li></ul><ul><li>Facilities Plan: 10 – 20% 40 - 50% 50 – 60% </li></ul><ul><li>LAA <2% 2 - 5% 95 – 98%” </li></ul><ul><li>Table 5 – pg 36 </li></ul>
  58. 59. Tim Fredericks’ Letter of July 10 <ul><li>The letter mentions an epa.gov/lakes survey begun in 2007 ranked 56% of the U.S. lakes as good and the remainder as poor. However, none of the lakes surveyed are in our area . </li></ul>
  59. 60. National Eutrophication Survey Decrease 50.4%
  60. 61. National Eutrophication Survey Increase 22.6%
  61. 62. National Lakes Association <ul><li>In the 2007 study 56% of the nations lakes support healthy biological communities. Of the 22% that are poor most are located in the Northeastern past of the United States. This study will be used as a baseline for future studies and no lakes studied are in our area. </li></ul>
  62. 63. <ul><li>“ The SLRWD Board of Trustees is eager to work with your community in a meaningful way by sharing the information already collected, to seek and apply your input to avoid problems and to seek opportunities to work together as a community …. </li></ul>Letter from SLRWD July 12, 2010
  63. 64. <ul><li>… ..to protect the environment’s most precious resource “Water”” </li></ul>SLRWD letter July 12, 2010
  64. 65. One Indiana sewer district seminar theme was: “Protect Drinking Water One Drop at a Time”
  65. 66. Indiana Clean Water <ul><li>Studies have been conducted over several years and the results are: </li></ul><ul><li>In addition, the earliest sampling record had significantly higher nitrate, ammonia, phosphorous, soluble reactive phosphorus, total nitrogen and plankton than the most recent studies. …this could provide evidence that best management practices regarding agriculture and development are working. </li></ul>Lake Water Quality Assessment for 2004 – 2008 - pg 59
  66. 67. Code of Federal Regulations <ul><li>I have read 40 CFR 35.917-5 and there are several conditions/actions before implementation of a project “public input is required.” The survey mailed to you counts as “one” of these. </li></ul>
  67. 68. Costs <ul><li>Why would the sewer costs be more in some cases than the Steuben County property taxes for which I receive fire, police, roads, snow removal, emergency services, road signs, courts, health services, assessor, recorder, auditor, compliance, prosecution, surveyor, veteran services, clerks, animal control, severe weather warnings, social services, database, library, parks or public assistance? </li></ul>Credit to John Lee for idea
  68. 69. Volatile Organic Compounds <ul><li>“ VOC and most semi-volatile organic compounds are not common of human waste”. VOC’s are gases introduced into the soil by paints, odor control products, varnishes, degreasers, oil and optical brighteners commonly found in laundry products.” These do not pose a problem associated with septic systems. </li></ul>
  69. 70. SLRWD Special Meeting <ul><li>At the Special Meeting the SLRWD when asked about the Lakes Council water testing Superintendent Fredericks replied that he: </li></ul><ul><li>“ Was not aware of them.” </li></ul><ul><li>How you make a decision without all the facts? </li></ul>
  70. 71. <ul><li>When did the rights of the SLRWD </li></ul><ul><li>become more important than my rights ? </li></ul>
  71. 72. <ul><li>My rights </li></ul><ul><li>stand </li></ul><ul><li>right </li></ul><ul><li>here! </li></ul>
  72. 73. <ul><li>D a n T h i e l e – 260-833-9031 </li></ul><ul><li>K a t h y S c h o o n m a k e r 260-243-1461 </li></ul><ul><li>G e o r g e S c h o o n m a k e r 260-243-1075 </li></ul><ul><li>D e b O ’C o n n e l l 419-344-5679 </li></ul><ul><li>C h a r l i e D a r t 260-833-2584 </li></ul><ul><li>P a u l B e l p a s s o 260-833-2511 </li></ul><ul><li>J i m S a l w a y 260-833-1739 </li></ul>
  73. 74. <ul><li>The opinions expressed are based on information and/or data from several sources. </li></ul>
  74. 75. Disclaimer In an attempt to provide information we have used facts, findings, data and materials to the best of our ability. It is in no way intended to do harm to a specific group, corporation, company, person or persons mentioned herein.
  75. 76. <ul><li>What can you do? </li></ul>
  76. 78. <ul><li>C. A. U. S. E. </li></ul><ul><li>Citizens Against the Unnecessary Sewer Expansion </li></ul>

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