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L
onger term readers may well recall
the previous article with Martin
Skinner back in 2012. In that
interview he talked about his 'bounce back'
from the painful fallout he experienced
following on from the 2008 economic
downturn and how he had begun to rebuild
his personal property portfolio. At that time -
some two years ago - Martin had progressed
from doing relatively straightforward flat
conversions and was doing smaller scale
secondary mixed-use sites by adding value,
primarily converting the upper floors for
residential lettings. He was sourcing his
deals mainly through London auctions and
as explained in the previous article, with a
highly systemised analytical approach for
potential purchases.
Since then we have kept in touch as he
has progressed his property development
strategies, primarily in the wider south
London area. In April of this year Martin's
latest property venture attracted the
attention of the Financial Times and his
company's use of a peer to peer lending
platform was the lead story on the front page
of the FT. The development in question
(Green Dragon House) is in the town centre
of Croydon and it's a quite large scale office
to residential conversion site with significant
potential. Within just 50 metres of this site
conversion, work is already underway on
the first of his current projects in Croydon
(Surrey House) and Martin is also just about
to conclude on another purchase close by.
All three of these buildings are former
offices with Permitted Development for
conversion to residential use.
I met up with Martin a few weeks ago in
Croydon to see exactly what he is now
doing and to hear his thoughts on the
current market and the opportunities
created by the government allowing
changes for permitted development.
Firstly, I ask why he chose Croydon for his
more recent property development projects.
Martin explains: "When the Mayor of
London Boris Johnson intervened to secure
an agreement between Westfield and
Hammerson for a huge new shopping
centre in Croydon I recognised that
the regeneration the area was already
benefiting from would rapidly accelerate,
just as Shepherds Bush and Stratford also
have done and that local residential prices
should outperform.
"I was convinced that decision should
make Croydon a magnet destination for
people keen to work/shop/play throughout
the South of England, because unlike
with the other Westfields to the West and
the East of London there are no major
competing (major) centres to the south (of
Croydon). After spending a bit more time
exploring the area I realised just how good
the local transport links are here, as it's less
than 16 minutes on the train from Victoria,
London Bridge, Wimbledon and Gatwick
airport. As a result I am confident that
Croydon property values will continue to
outperform in the years ahead."
The use of joint venture funding (JV)
sources has enabled Martin to progress
some larger scale deals in recent years so I
asked him to briefly explain how the
funding for purchase and development is
done with his investor partners and what
commitment he has to put in apart from
that of sourcing and structuring the deals.
"Ihavestucktomyoriginalmodelof giving
my JV investors a priority return and a profit
share in return for the use of their capital.
I take a profit share and a Development
Management Fee for arranging and
delivering the project and achieving the
investors return and if a Personal Guarantee
(PG)isrequiredthenIamtheonethatsignsit
ratherthantheinvestors.
"I sometimes put in a small share of the
total equity requirement and often my PG
PropertydeveloperMartinSkinnertalkswithRichardBowserabouttheopportunitiescreated
byPermittedDevelopment(PD)andconvertingredundantofficesintoresidentiallivingspace.
Creating Quality in
Compact Spaces
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. To
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© All rights reserved. Farscape Ltd - copyright. The content within is not to be reproduced or transmitted in form or in part without the express written permission of the publishers.
can be as high (sometimes higher) than
the equity that my investors put in, though
I do intend to start phasing these out
from the end of this year. As potentially the
best operator in this space we have now
started attracting offers from major funders
to develop their existing offices/portfolios
in return for a slightly smaller share of
the profits and with a Development
Management Fee. The efficiency, scale
and low risk nature (relative to big PG's)
of working this way with existing owners
is attractive so I'm keen to follow
this through."
Regular readers will be aware of the
government's changes to Permitted
Developments for office conversions (see
page41)whichwerebroughtinfromJanuary
2013 and there have been many applications
put forward to local councils by developers,
but they have not always been received with
enthusiasm, so I asked Martin what are the
mainissuestoconsiderwithPDprojects.
"Article 4 can be implemented to remove
Permitted Development Rights though this
takes a year if the Local Authority wants to
avoid potentially expensive litigation and it
can and typically is overruled by the
Secretary of State.
"There is currently an expiry date for
office to residential Permitted Development
Rights (PDR) which is the 30th of May 2016
and depending on your interpretation of the
rather vague rules you need to have the
property converted and occupied by this
date rather than just having started work on
the conversion, which is more common
with developments. However, it now looks
as if this deadline is likely to be extended by
at least three years."
Manycouncils,particularlyinLondonhave
sought to challenge the PDR for developers
as we have commented on previously over
the last year here in PIN magazine, often on
the grounds of councils not wanting to see
employment 'space' in their borough being
lost, irrespective of the obvious need for
more residential accommodation with ever
increasingoccupierdemand.
I ask Martin to explain how he got
through the first PD application and what
has been the implication.
"Our first PDR or 'Prior Approval'
applicationforSurreyHouseinCroydonwas
(alongwitheveryoneelse)initiallyrefusedon
'Highways' grounds as the council did not
want residents applying for parking permits.
"ThankfullyIhavesomeexcellentplanning
consultants and planning lawyers. Between
themtheymanagedtostructureasolutionto
the councils' primary objection to allowing
new residents to park on the streets by using
a Unilateral Undertaking which ultimately
evolved into a very simple and low cost
Section 106 agreement. We were the first
developertosecurePDRconsentinCroydon
and our drafting has in effect become the
template that all the other developers have
usedtosecuretheirconsents.
"As long as the building has been
occupied as a B1(a) office building, it is not a
listed building and is not in an area that is
subject to an Article 4 restriction then it is
infinitely cheaper, easier and quicker to
secure a PDR consent for conversion than
it is to secure a full planning consent
for re-development.
"The actual process typically takes 8
weeks while the application fee costs just
£80. There are of course many other costs
for architects, planning consultants and
specialists to ensure all the key potential
objections (flooding, contamination and
highways) are covered but these still come
to a fraction of the usual planning costs.
"I generally follow up the initial PDR
consent with planning applications for
façade/window improvements, penthouses,
roof terraces and additional units on the
land that comes with the core office building
so I typically allow a more traditional two
year period to secure planning, convert and
to then complete all the unit sales.
"I am able to quickly de-risk the planning
and start demonstrating premium £ per sq.
ft. sales, which then enables me to reduce
my finance costs and if I want to, then also
to leverage up the project.
"A high loan to cost can still be a low loan
to value/GDV when I am achieving gross
margins on cost that are consistently in
excess of 50%. My appraisals typically
show much lower margins at the point
when we raise finance and buy. But we then
outperform through working very hard to
optimise the project via space efficient
flat designs, higher specifications and
technology etc and thereby we really
maximise the returns."
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“ We then outperform
through working very hard
to optimise the project via
space efficient flat designs,
higher specifications and
technologyetc
”
Surrey House - Before Surrey Hse - After
*Readers should note from the example
floor plan and CGI's how the space is
maximized within a typical apartment and
the high quality of fittings.
The benefits of buying an existing
building and converting it rather than
constructing from out of the ground are
obvious but the recent sales prices Martin's
company (Inspired Homes) are achieving
relative to the development cost indicates a
high level of profit. The Surrey House
development currently comprises of 30
individual one or two bedroom flats and on
current trends it will achieve profit levels in
excess of 50% gross margin on costs for a 19
month development/sales cycle and a total
gross profit of just over £3m with a Gross
Development Value (GDV) of just over £9m.
One bedroom flats which initially were
being sold at an average of £177,000 are
now achieving £239,794 with 20 units
already exchanged from a total of 30. In
addition, a protracted planning submission
process is in play with the local planners for
the construction of nine additional
penthouses on the existing roof space.
Martin adds: "We have had two
applications previously refused and are
expecting a decision any day now on our
latest planning application at Surrey House
for the penthouse additions but this should
underline to PIN readers that development
of any new building or adding floors onto
existing ones is very often a protracted
process and involves a great deal of effort
to (hopefully) achieve success.
These are obviously impressive sums,
however Martin explained that on the larger
development at Green Dragon House they
confidently expect to achieve over £13m of
profit and 71.7% gross margin on costs,
with 40 exchanged of the 48 units reserved
from a total of 119 to be built over the next
12 months. In addition he hopes to get
planning approval for a 10 storey new-build
block of 42 flats on the rear car park for
which they are currently going through an
initial planning application.
As can be seen from the floor-plans, the
individual flats are 'compact' and space
is obviously maximised, so I asked
Martin what else is in the specification of
their residential conversions which is
enabling these substantial profit margins to
be achieved.
"My background in developing, letting
and managing some 2,500 units worth of
professional house shares with my previous
business Nice Room has given me a
detailed insight into the wants and needs of
young professionals in London. I work very
hard to produce compact homes that still
exceed all (buyer) expectations for
convenience and luxury.
"At Inspired we put a lot of effort into our
customer experience but in a very practical
way and with a view to keeping everything
affordable for average working Londoners.
For example, we put in high quality durable
components (like oak and granite worktops
with appliances from Bosch, Hans Grohe
and use NEST), which typically results in
much lower utility, service and maintenance
costs. By minimising wasted space and
other costs for our customers and by cost
effectively delivering what is typically the
best quality product and finish in the area,
we are able to keep unit prices down while
still achieving premium £ per sq. ft. (and
therefore premium margins) for our
product. In time we would hope to establish
a lasting brand premium."
The national media have been focusing
their attention on various data sources
which portrays a decline in Central London
property values in more recent months
so I asked Martin how he sees the London
and South East residential property
markets performing over the next three or
so years.
"I have always been most active in Inner
and Greater London rather than Prime
Central London, so I still see a lot of room
for growth in my areas and I am if anything
pushing out a little bit into commuter towns
where the sites are still relatively cost
effective and where Transport Authorities,
Local and Central government (and
increasingly private developers) are
investing heavily in infrastructure and
regeneration. Commentators tend to now
agree that although Central London values
will probably continue to grow, the
'doughnut' around London which is much
more affordable (but still accessible) for
many working Londoners is expected to
outperform. And that's where I will be
continuing to concentrate my efforts."
And finally - what are the key risks to
consider? "Property development is
complicated and risky," Martin concludes.
"The returns can be fabulous as our Green
Dragon House project illustrates - we are on
target to achieve a profit of around £13m on
just £2.3m of equity in two years - but it
has been extraordinarily challenging. For
example, we had 38 existing (commercial
office) tenants to deal with as only half the
building was vacant and we had to apply to
about 35 lenders before we finally found a
combination (LendInvest/Montello and
then Maslow) that provided the funding that
we needed. And if the market turns against
you then you have little or no income to
support your borrowing - so timing and
persistence is everything."
I N V E S T O R I N T E R V I E W
M A R T I N S K I N N E R
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Martin Skinner Discusses Croydon Property Deals and Permitted Development Conversions

  • 1. www.property-investor-news.com20 << PROPERTY INVESTOR NEWS TM M A R T I N S K I N N E R I N V E S T O R I N T E R V I E W L onger term readers may well recall the previous article with Martin Skinner back in 2012. In that interview he talked about his 'bounce back' from the painful fallout he experienced following on from the 2008 economic downturn and how he had begun to rebuild his personal property portfolio. At that time - some two years ago - Martin had progressed from doing relatively straightforward flat conversions and was doing smaller scale secondary mixed-use sites by adding value, primarily converting the upper floors for residential lettings. He was sourcing his deals mainly through London auctions and as explained in the previous article, with a highly systemised analytical approach for potential purchases. Since then we have kept in touch as he has progressed his property development strategies, primarily in the wider south London area. In April of this year Martin's latest property venture attracted the attention of the Financial Times and his company's use of a peer to peer lending platform was the lead story on the front page of the FT. The development in question (Green Dragon House) is in the town centre of Croydon and it's a quite large scale office to residential conversion site with significant potential. Within just 50 metres of this site conversion, work is already underway on the first of his current projects in Croydon (Surrey House) and Martin is also just about to conclude on another purchase close by. All three of these buildings are former offices with Permitted Development for conversion to residential use. I met up with Martin a few weeks ago in Croydon to see exactly what he is now doing and to hear his thoughts on the current market and the opportunities created by the government allowing changes for permitted development. Firstly, I ask why he chose Croydon for his more recent property development projects. Martin explains: "When the Mayor of London Boris Johnson intervened to secure an agreement between Westfield and Hammerson for a huge new shopping centre in Croydon I recognised that the regeneration the area was already benefiting from would rapidly accelerate, just as Shepherds Bush and Stratford also have done and that local residential prices should outperform. "I was convinced that decision should make Croydon a magnet destination for people keen to work/shop/play throughout the South of England, because unlike with the other Westfields to the West and the East of London there are no major competing (major) centres to the south (of Croydon). After spending a bit more time exploring the area I realised just how good the local transport links are here, as it's less than 16 minutes on the train from Victoria, London Bridge, Wimbledon and Gatwick airport. As a result I am confident that Croydon property values will continue to outperform in the years ahead." The use of joint venture funding (JV) sources has enabled Martin to progress some larger scale deals in recent years so I asked him to briefly explain how the funding for purchase and development is done with his investor partners and what commitment he has to put in apart from that of sourcing and structuring the deals. "Ihavestucktomyoriginalmodelof giving my JV investors a priority return and a profit share in return for the use of their capital. I take a profit share and a Development Management Fee for arranging and delivering the project and achieving the investors return and if a Personal Guarantee (PG)isrequiredthenIamtheonethatsignsit ratherthantheinvestors. "I sometimes put in a small share of the total equity requirement and often my PG PropertydeveloperMartinSkinnertalkswithRichardBowserabouttheopportunitiescreated byPermittedDevelopment(PD)andconvertingredundantofficesintoresidentiallivingspace. Creating Quality in Compact Spaces This article has been reproduced from the November 2014 issue of Property Investor NewsTM . To receive a sample copy go to: www.property-investor-news.com or contact us on 020 8736 0044 © All rights reserved. Farscape Ltd - copyright. The content within is not to be reproduced or transmitted in form or in part without the express written permission of the publishers.
  • 2. can be as high (sometimes higher) than the equity that my investors put in, though I do intend to start phasing these out from the end of this year. As potentially the best operator in this space we have now started attracting offers from major funders to develop their existing offices/portfolios in return for a slightly smaller share of the profits and with a Development Management Fee. The efficiency, scale and low risk nature (relative to big PG's) of working this way with existing owners is attractive so I'm keen to follow this through." Regular readers will be aware of the government's changes to Permitted Developments for office conversions (see page41)whichwerebroughtinfromJanuary 2013 and there have been many applications put forward to local councils by developers, but they have not always been received with enthusiasm, so I asked Martin what are the mainissuestoconsiderwithPDprojects. "Article 4 can be implemented to remove Permitted Development Rights though this takes a year if the Local Authority wants to avoid potentially expensive litigation and it can and typically is overruled by the Secretary of State. "There is currently an expiry date for office to residential Permitted Development Rights (PDR) which is the 30th of May 2016 and depending on your interpretation of the rather vague rules you need to have the property converted and occupied by this date rather than just having started work on the conversion, which is more common with developments. However, it now looks as if this deadline is likely to be extended by at least three years." Manycouncils,particularlyinLondonhave sought to challenge the PDR for developers as we have commented on previously over the last year here in PIN magazine, often on the grounds of councils not wanting to see employment 'space' in their borough being lost, irrespective of the obvious need for more residential accommodation with ever increasingoccupierdemand. I ask Martin to explain how he got through the first PD application and what has been the implication. "Our first PDR or 'Prior Approval' applicationforSurreyHouseinCroydonwas (alongwitheveryoneelse)initiallyrefusedon 'Highways' grounds as the council did not want residents applying for parking permits. "ThankfullyIhavesomeexcellentplanning consultants and planning lawyers. Between themtheymanagedtostructureasolutionto the councils' primary objection to allowing new residents to park on the streets by using a Unilateral Undertaking which ultimately evolved into a very simple and low cost Section 106 agreement. We were the first developertosecurePDRconsentinCroydon and our drafting has in effect become the template that all the other developers have usedtosecuretheirconsents. "As long as the building has been occupied as a B1(a) office building, it is not a listed building and is not in an area that is subject to an Article 4 restriction then it is infinitely cheaper, easier and quicker to secure a PDR consent for conversion than it is to secure a full planning consent for re-development. "The actual process typically takes 8 weeks while the application fee costs just £80. There are of course many other costs for architects, planning consultants and specialists to ensure all the key potential objections (flooding, contamination and highways) are covered but these still come to a fraction of the usual planning costs. "I generally follow up the initial PDR consent with planning applications for façade/window improvements, penthouses, roof terraces and additional units on the land that comes with the core office building so I typically allow a more traditional two year period to secure planning, convert and to then complete all the unit sales. "I am able to quickly de-risk the planning and start demonstrating premium £ per sq. ft. sales, which then enables me to reduce my finance costs and if I want to, then also to leverage up the project. "A high loan to cost can still be a low loan to value/GDV when I am achieving gross margins on cost that are consistently in excess of 50%. My appraisals typically show much lower margins at the point when we raise finance and buy. But we then outperform through working very hard to optimise the project via space efficient flat designs, higher specifications and technology etc and thereby we really maximise the returns." PROPERTY INVESTOR NEWS TM >> 21www.property-investor-news.com I N V E S T O R I N T E R V I E W M A R T I N S K I N N E R “ We then outperform through working very hard to optimise the project via space efficient flat designs, higher specifications and technologyetc ” Surrey House - Before Surrey Hse - After
  • 3. *Readers should note from the example floor plan and CGI's how the space is maximized within a typical apartment and the high quality of fittings. The benefits of buying an existing building and converting it rather than constructing from out of the ground are obvious but the recent sales prices Martin's company (Inspired Homes) are achieving relative to the development cost indicates a high level of profit. The Surrey House development currently comprises of 30 individual one or two bedroom flats and on current trends it will achieve profit levels in excess of 50% gross margin on costs for a 19 month development/sales cycle and a total gross profit of just over £3m with a Gross Development Value (GDV) of just over £9m. One bedroom flats which initially were being sold at an average of £177,000 are now achieving £239,794 with 20 units already exchanged from a total of 30. In addition, a protracted planning submission process is in play with the local planners for the construction of nine additional penthouses on the existing roof space. Martin adds: "We have had two applications previously refused and are expecting a decision any day now on our latest planning application at Surrey House for the penthouse additions but this should underline to PIN readers that development of any new building or adding floors onto existing ones is very often a protracted process and involves a great deal of effort to (hopefully) achieve success. These are obviously impressive sums, however Martin explained that on the larger development at Green Dragon House they confidently expect to achieve over £13m of profit and 71.7% gross margin on costs, with 40 exchanged of the 48 units reserved from a total of 119 to be built over the next 12 months. In addition he hopes to get planning approval for a 10 storey new-build block of 42 flats on the rear car park for which they are currently going through an initial planning application. As can be seen from the floor-plans, the individual flats are 'compact' and space is obviously maximised, so I asked Martin what else is in the specification of their residential conversions which is enabling these substantial profit margins to be achieved. "My background in developing, letting and managing some 2,500 units worth of professional house shares with my previous business Nice Room has given me a detailed insight into the wants and needs of young professionals in London. I work very hard to produce compact homes that still exceed all (buyer) expectations for convenience and luxury. "At Inspired we put a lot of effort into our customer experience but in a very practical way and with a view to keeping everything affordable for average working Londoners. For example, we put in high quality durable components (like oak and granite worktops with appliances from Bosch, Hans Grohe and use NEST), which typically results in much lower utility, service and maintenance costs. By minimising wasted space and other costs for our customers and by cost effectively delivering what is typically the best quality product and finish in the area, we are able to keep unit prices down while still achieving premium £ per sq. ft. (and therefore premium margins) for our product. In time we would hope to establish a lasting brand premium." The national media have been focusing their attention on various data sources which portrays a decline in Central London property values in more recent months so I asked Martin how he sees the London and South East residential property markets performing over the next three or so years. "I have always been most active in Inner and Greater London rather than Prime Central London, so I still see a lot of room for growth in my areas and I am if anything pushing out a little bit into commuter towns where the sites are still relatively cost effective and where Transport Authorities, Local and Central government (and increasingly private developers) are investing heavily in infrastructure and regeneration. Commentators tend to now agree that although Central London values will probably continue to grow, the 'doughnut' around London which is much more affordable (but still accessible) for many working Londoners is expected to outperform. And that's where I will be continuing to concentrate my efforts." And finally - what are the key risks to consider? "Property development is complicated and risky," Martin concludes. "The returns can be fabulous as our Green Dragon House project illustrates - we are on target to achieve a profit of around £13m on just £2.3m of equity in two years - but it has been extraordinarily challenging. For example, we had 38 existing (commercial office) tenants to deal with as only half the building was vacant and we had to apply to about 35 lenders before we finally found a combination (LendInvest/Montello and then Maslow) that provided the funding that we needed. And if the market turns against you then you have little or no income to support your borrowing - so timing and persistence is everything." I N V E S T O R I N T E R V I E W M A R T I N S K I N N E R PROPERTY INVESTOR NEWS TM >> 23www.property-investor-news.com PIN Sample Floorplan - One Bedroom Flat - Green Dragon Green Dragon House - After