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Bozen, 15.11.2019
Alvise Mattozzi
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Workshop
Local identities an their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Domesticating artifacts.
Or, how artifacts coming from
beyond the borders of a
community contribute (or not) to
the becoming of identities.
A methodological
contribution
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
how can we describe-analyze how artifacts coming
from beyond the borders of a community contribute
(or not) to the becoming of identities?
Case 1. The fork
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
https://www.peoplesrepublicofbolzano.com/
Case 1. The fork
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
https://www.peoplesrepublicofbolzano.com/
Case 1. The fork
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Case 1. The fork
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Case 1. The fork
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Frans Hals, Banquet of the Officers of the St George Civic Guard (1616)
Case 1. The fork
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
William Hogarth, The Industrious 'rentice grown rich, & Sheriff of London (1747)
Case 1. The fork
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Giorgio Sommer, Mangiamaccheroni (before 1886)
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Case 1. The fork
Fork: 1. an implement with two or more prongs used
especially for taking up (as in eating), pitching, or digging.
Merriam-Webster Dictionary
A tool to get in contact with food.
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Case 1. The fork
A tool to keep food (and other bodies) at distance
A tool to regulate social relations.
A tool that contributes to the articulation of individuality
and to the construction of the modern subject.
… then, not “just” a tool, but a social actor.
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Artifacts as mediators
Not an intermediary, but a mediator
+ =
+ =
INTERMEDIARY
MEDIATOR
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Artifacts as mediators
How can we describe artifacts as (potential) mediators?
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Artifacts as mediators
How can an artifact become part (or emerge within) a certain
network?
How does an arttifact contribute to reconfigure the network?
How can we describe these processes?
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Artifacts as mediators
Think artifacts beyond and besides their function.
Not in order to take into consideration their meaning or
symbolic or communicative value:
- avoid the “not only, but also” approach.
Think artifacts as networks part of a network, thinking
them relationally, without the need to right away file the
relations artifacts take part to and the relations they
contribute to reconfigure under the label of function or
of symbol.
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Case 2 – Steel axes
Adult Men built
Knowledge of
materials
Women, non
adults can use
Man's control
Permission
to use
Wood for fire
Shelters
Gather food
Wood for fire
Shelters
Gather food
Gather Honey
Decoration for
cerimonies
Trading
Men from other
aborigenal tribes
During cerimonies
Symbol of
masculinity Totemic symbol
in a closed
cosmology
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Unexpected / Rejected /
Adjusting / Yearned
artifacts
unexpected
Trojan Horse
adjusting
rejected
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Case 3 – Espresso machines
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Domestication
consumer’s appropriation [of technologies and objects], by taking [them]
home or into other private cultural spaces, and in making, or not making,
them acceptable and familiar
Roger Silverstone and Leslie Haddon, 1996, p. 46
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Domestication
In pursuit of this notion of the household as a moral economy we draw on
a literature, principally in anthropology (Appadurai 1986; Cheal 1988; Parry
and Bloch 1989) and, albeit on a broader canvas, in historical research
(Thompson 1971), in which households are conceived as part of a
transactional system of economic and social relations within
the formal or more objective economy and society of the public sphere.
Within this framework households are seen as being actively engaged with
the products and meanings of this formal, commodity- and individual-
based economy. This engagement involves the appropriation of these
commodities into domestic culture—they are domesticated—and through
that appropriation they are incorporated and redefined in different terms,
in accordance with the household’s own values and interests.
Roger Silverstone, Eric Hirsch and David Morley, 1992, p. 14
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Domestication
Four phases of domestication
- Appropriation: purchase and reasons for the purchase
- Objectification: positionning within the house
- Incorporation: use in everyday practices
- Conversion: use with outsiders in order
to display values and status
from the outside
to the inside
inside
from the inside to
the outside
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Case 4 –
Domestication of toast / grill
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Case 4 –
Domestication of toast / grill
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Domestication
- Symmetrizing: there is a reciprocal domestication.
- Extending and abstracting: from the outside of the self to the self
- Getting before the metaphor
- Recovering the actual processes of domestication and comparing
with them with “domestication” as intended by Silverstone
-
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Becoming
Reciprocal domestication: reciprocal becoming
Becoming together
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Case 5 – Raw milk in Italy
[…]
Then, I believe, that Italian people especially, have lost the culture of
drinking milk – this is how I see it.
Differently from other realities, which, if you want … let’s say mmh
Rumanians, also in the Rumanian mileu, or Eastern countries, let’s say, or
mostly Indians or Pakistans so that they … it is really the key food as for
eating …
[…]
Fermented milk it is not pathogen, it is a taste that we, we Europans are
not able to drink, let’s say … clear indeed, we are not able
from an interview with dairy farmer,
owner of a raw milk vending machine
(Trento, February 2016)
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Case 5 – Raw milk in Italy
[…]
why these people look for this milk? This is the concept. They, when taste
raw milk, remember the kind of milk the were used to consume in their
countries. And for them that one is milk. They when the buy a bottle of
milk at the supermarket, that milk does not meet their taste, because it is
not their milk. And what I am saying regards everybody: the Arabs, the
Egyptians, the Ukrainians, the Moldavians, the Croatians, the South
Americans, the Peruvians, the Ecuadorenians, the Bangladesh, Indians,
Pakistans …
These are our clients. 
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Case 5 – Raw milk in Italy
 And then they use our milk for … for making cheeses, for making their
cakes… because they make traditional cakes, … say, the cakes that
Ecuadorenians or Peruvian make with renneted milk – I do not know how
– that then they put mais inside … the Bangladesh they make very peculiar
cakes – very sweet –, with sugar, and they need raw milk, not the
pasteurized one.
from an interview with dairy farmer,
owner of a raw milk vending machine
(Milan, March 2016)
STUDIO DEI MEDIA
E DELLA COMUNICAZIONE
Latte e lotte
Tiziana Piccioni and Alvise Mattozzi
STUDIO DEI MEDIA
E DELLA COMUNICAZIONE
Latte e lotte
Tiziana Piccioni and Alvise Mattozzi
STUDIO DEI MEDIA
E DELLA COMUNICAZIONE
Latte e lotte
Tiziana Piccioni and Alvise Mattozzi
STUDIO DEI MEDIA
E DELLA COMUNICAZIONE
Latte e lotte
Tiziana Piccioni and Alvise Mattozzi
STUDIO DEI MEDIA
E DELLA COMUNICAZIONE
INTRODUCTION
Latte e lotte
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Tiziana Piccioni and Alvise Mattozzi
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Case 5 – Raw milk in Italy
(GI, agronomist, 2008)
“We had the farmer gaining something, starting to acquire bargaining
power, starting to get some income, and on the other hand the
consumer was happy”
(AS, dairy farmer, 2016)
2003
- Re-appropriation
- Bargaining power
“Here is the concept from where we started. We see that the dairy
farmer gets the 25% of the final price-per-liter of milk – today is even
less – [….] the more time passes, the more the difference. And the
goal was: from 25%, let us try to bring everything back home”
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Case 5 – Raw milk in Italy
Dairy farm
Production
Tanker
collection
Dairy
Transformation
Bottling
Plant
Distribution
Retail
Final sale
Consumer’s
Consumption
Short chain
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Case 5 – Raw milk in Italy
Raw milk at vending machine:
€ 1 per liter or less
vs
A shed price of around
€ 0.30 per liter
vs A shelf price of around
€ 1,30 per liter for
fresh pasteurized milk
A better product at a lower price
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Case 5 – Raw milk in Italy
Not just an economic re-appropriation:
- acknowledgement of dairy farmers work and role.
2003
“The idea is that together with the product, within the farm, you sell
those other things: culture, history, our history”
(GI, agronomist, 2008)
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Case 5 – Raw milk in Italy
2003 2004 2005
on farm premises off farm premises
before
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Case 5 – Raw milk in Italy
yearned
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Case 5 – Raw milk in Italy
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Case 5 – Raw milk in Italy
End of 2008
Raw Milk.
A fad that takes you
to the hospital
To drink unpasteurized raw milk is like playing at Russian roulette[…]"If you are lucky you can
to save up to half Euro per liter. If you are not, you can get a pathogen bacteria and end up
on dialysis or even kick the bucket[…]”
GOODBYE PASTEUR. The
last trend is to drink
unpasteurized milk. In
Legnano a three year old
girl was for twelve days in
intensive care for having
being infected with E.Coli
Unfortunately a clear
regional regulation is
missing.
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Case 5 – Raw milk in Italy
How can raw milk be domesticated?
What kind of network is needed?
What kind of moral economy is needed?
The only one to posses such network and/or
moral economy seem to be migrants.
Thanks to it a becoming togheter of migrants
and dairy farmers seems envisageable.
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Conclusions
Domesticating Artifacts
Alvise Mattozzi
Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
Conclusions
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Domesticating artifacts and the construction or desctruction of identities

  • 1. Bozen, 15.11.2019 Alvise Mattozzi amattozzi@unibz.it Workshop Local identities an their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol Domesticating artifacts. Or, how artifacts coming from beyond the borders of a community contribute (or not) to the becoming of identities.
  • 2. A methodological contribution Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol how can we describe-analyze how artifacts coming from beyond the borders of a community contribute (or not) to the becoming of identities?
  • 3. Case 1. The fork Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol https://www.peoplesrepublicofbolzano.com/
  • 4. Case 1. The fork Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol https://www.peoplesrepublicofbolzano.com/
  • 5. Case 1. The fork Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
  • 6. Case 1. The fork Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol
  • 7. Case 1. The fork Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol Frans Hals, Banquet of the Officers of the St George Civic Guard (1616)
  • 8. Case 1. The fork Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol William Hogarth, The Industrious 'rentice grown rich, & Sheriff of London (1747)
  • 9. Case 1. The fork Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol Giorgio Sommer, Mangiamaccheroni (before 1886)
  • 10. Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol Case 1. The fork Fork: 1. an implement with two or more prongs used especially for taking up (as in eating), pitching, or digging. Merriam-Webster Dictionary A tool to get in contact with food.
  • 11. Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol Case 1. The fork A tool to keep food (and other bodies) at distance A tool to regulate social relations. A tool that contributes to the articulation of individuality and to the construction of the modern subject. … then, not “just” a tool, but a social actor.
  • 12. Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol Artifacts as mediators Not an intermediary, but a mediator + = + = INTERMEDIARY MEDIATOR
  • 13. Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol Artifacts as mediators How can we describe artifacts as (potential) mediators?
  • 14. Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol Artifacts as mediators How can an artifact become part (or emerge within) a certain network? How does an arttifact contribute to reconfigure the network? How can we describe these processes?
  • 15. Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol Artifacts as mediators Think artifacts beyond and besides their function. Not in order to take into consideration their meaning or symbolic or communicative value: - avoid the “not only, but also” approach. Think artifacts as networks part of a network, thinking them relationally, without the need to right away file the relations artifacts take part to and the relations they contribute to reconfigure under the label of function or of symbol.
  • 16. Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol Case 2 – Steel axes Adult Men built Knowledge of materials Women, non adults can use Man's control Permission to use Wood for fire Shelters Gather food Wood for fire Shelters Gather food Gather Honey Decoration for cerimonies Trading Men from other aborigenal tribes During cerimonies Symbol of masculinity Totemic symbol in a closed cosmology
  • 17. Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol Unexpected / Rejected / Adjusting / Yearned artifacts unexpected Trojan Horse adjusting rejected
  • 18. Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol Case 3 – Espresso machines
  • 19. Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol Domestication consumer’s appropriation [of technologies and objects], by taking [them] home or into other private cultural spaces, and in making, or not making, them acceptable and familiar Roger Silverstone and Leslie Haddon, 1996, p. 46
  • 20. Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol Domestication In pursuit of this notion of the household as a moral economy we draw on a literature, principally in anthropology (Appadurai 1986; Cheal 1988; Parry and Bloch 1989) and, albeit on a broader canvas, in historical research (Thompson 1971), in which households are conceived as part of a transactional system of economic and social relations within the formal or more objective economy and society of the public sphere. Within this framework households are seen as being actively engaged with the products and meanings of this formal, commodity- and individual- based economy. This engagement involves the appropriation of these commodities into domestic culture—they are domesticated—and through that appropriation they are incorporated and redefined in different terms, in accordance with the household’s own values and interests. Roger Silverstone, Eric Hirsch and David Morley, 1992, p. 14
  • 21. Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol Domestication Four phases of domestication - Appropriation: purchase and reasons for the purchase - Objectification: positionning within the house - Incorporation: use in everyday practices - Conversion: use with outsiders in order to display values and status from the outside to the inside inside from the inside to the outside
  • 22. Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol Case 4 – Domestication of toast / grill
  • 23. Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol Case 4 – Domestication of toast / grill
  • 24. Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol Domestication - Symmetrizing: there is a reciprocal domestication. - Extending and abstracting: from the outside of the self to the self - Getting before the metaphor - Recovering the actual processes of domestication and comparing with them with “domestication” as intended by Silverstone -
  • 25. Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol Becoming Reciprocal domestication: reciprocal becoming Becoming together
  • 26. Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol Case 5 – Raw milk in Italy […] Then, I believe, that Italian people especially, have lost the culture of drinking milk – this is how I see it. Differently from other realities, which, if you want … let’s say mmh Rumanians, also in the Rumanian mileu, or Eastern countries, let’s say, or mostly Indians or Pakistans so that they … it is really the key food as for eating … […] Fermented milk it is not pathogen, it is a taste that we, we Europans are not able to drink, let’s say … clear indeed, we are not able from an interview with dairy farmer, owner of a raw milk vending machine (Trento, February 2016)
  • 27. Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol Case 5 – Raw milk in Italy […] why these people look for this milk? This is the concept. They, when taste raw milk, remember the kind of milk the were used to consume in their countries. And for them that one is milk. They when the buy a bottle of milk at the supermarket, that milk does not meet their taste, because it is not their milk. And what I am saying regards everybody: the Arabs, the Egyptians, the Ukrainians, the Moldavians, the Croatians, the South Americans, the Peruvians, the Ecuadorenians, the Bangladesh, Indians, Pakistans … These are our clients. 
  • 28. Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol Case 5 – Raw milk in Italy  And then they use our milk for … for making cheeses, for making their cakes… because they make traditional cakes, … say, the cakes that Ecuadorenians or Peruvian make with renneted milk – I do not know how – that then they put mais inside … the Bangladesh they make very peculiar cakes – very sweet –, with sugar, and they need raw milk, not the pasteurized one. from an interview with dairy farmer, owner of a raw milk vending machine (Milan, March 2016)
  • 29. STUDIO DEI MEDIA E DELLA COMUNICAZIONE Latte e lotte Tiziana Piccioni and Alvise Mattozzi
  • 30. STUDIO DEI MEDIA E DELLA COMUNICAZIONE Latte e lotte Tiziana Piccioni and Alvise Mattozzi
  • 31. STUDIO DEI MEDIA E DELLA COMUNICAZIONE Latte e lotte Tiziana Piccioni and Alvise Mattozzi
  • 32. STUDIO DEI MEDIA E DELLA COMUNICAZIONE Latte e lotte Tiziana Piccioni and Alvise Mattozzi
  • 33. STUDIO DEI MEDIA E DELLA COMUNICAZIONE INTRODUCTION Latte e lotte Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxxx Xxxxxx Tiziana Piccioni and Alvise Mattozzi
  • 34. Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol Case 5 – Raw milk in Italy (GI, agronomist, 2008) “We had the farmer gaining something, starting to acquire bargaining power, starting to get some income, and on the other hand the consumer was happy” (AS, dairy farmer, 2016) 2003 - Re-appropriation - Bargaining power “Here is the concept from where we started. We see that the dairy farmer gets the 25% of the final price-per-liter of milk – today is even less – [….] the more time passes, the more the difference. And the goal was: from 25%, let us try to bring everything back home”
  • 35. Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol Case 5 – Raw milk in Italy Dairy farm Production Tanker collection Dairy Transformation Bottling Plant Distribution Retail Final sale Consumer’s Consumption Short chain
  • 36. Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol Case 5 – Raw milk in Italy Raw milk at vending machine: € 1 per liter or less vs A shed price of around € 0.30 per liter vs A shelf price of around € 1,30 per liter for fresh pasteurized milk A better product at a lower price
  • 37. Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol Case 5 – Raw milk in Italy Not just an economic re-appropriation: - acknowledgement of dairy farmers work and role. 2003 “The idea is that together with the product, within the farm, you sell those other things: culture, history, our history” (GI, agronomist, 2008)
  • 38. Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol Case 5 – Raw milk in Italy 2003 2004 2005 on farm premises off farm premises before
  • 39. Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol Case 5 – Raw milk in Italy yearned
  • 40. Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol Case 5 – Raw milk in Italy
  • 41. Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol Case 5 – Raw milk in Italy End of 2008 Raw Milk. A fad that takes you to the hospital To drink unpasteurized raw milk is like playing at Russian roulette[…]"If you are lucky you can to save up to half Euro per liter. If you are not, you can get a pathogen bacteria and end up on dialysis or even kick the bucket[…]” GOODBYE PASTEUR. The last trend is to drink unpasteurized milk. In Legnano a three year old girl was for twelve days in intensive care for having being infected with E.Coli Unfortunately a clear regional regulation is missing.
  • 42. Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol Case 5 – Raw milk in Italy How can raw milk be domesticated? What kind of network is needed? What kind of moral economy is needed? The only one to posses such network and/or moral economy seem to be migrants. Thanks to it a becoming togheter of migrants and dairy farmers seems envisageable.
  • 43. Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol Conclusions
  • 44. Domesticating Artifacts Alvise Mattozzi Local identities and their external sources: Communities in South Tyrol Conclusions traitor? +