Architecture of the R/3 System

              Chapter 14
Problems of Enterprise-Wide
           Computing
• Slow response time during peak traffic
  loads
• Different time zones, systems, upgrades
• Heterogeneous database problem
• Multiple platforms
R/3 and Enterprise Computing
• Development of “middleware” enables portability
  across platforms
   – Technologies include:
        • Db replication, messaging, XML, remote procedures
• R/3 supports:
   –   TCP/IP
   –   RFC
   –   SQL & ODBC
   –   OLE, MAPI, EDI
R/3 Server Installations
• 3-tier C/S preferred
  – Homogeneous - same OS on one or more
    platforms
  – Heterogeneous - a variety of platforms ex.
    UNIX, NT, Windows on application server
     • UNIX with Oracle, Informix, DB2 on db server
  – R/3 solves the distributed multiple
    heterogeneous platform problem with
    “middleware”
Benefits of Multiple Application
            Servers
• An alternate server can be automatically
  selected if one is unavailable
• “Load balancing” of clients to least busy
  server
• Can optimize queries and reduce load on db
  server to improve response time
• Because it is scalable, servers can be added
  as more processing capability is needed
C/S Scenarios
• Centralized host computer performs all tasks
  including db, applications, and presentation
• 2-tier C/S - db server is separate from “thick
  client” which processes apps and presentation
• 3-tier C/S - separate systems for db, apps, and
  presentation (preferred by R/3)
• N-tier C/S – extension using servers on Internet
SAP R/3 Basis System
Hardware       UNIX Systems                         Data
                                     AT&T         General      Sequent
             Bull        IBM                                                 IBM
                                   Bull/Zenith    HP (Intel)     SNI
            Digital      SNI                                                AS/400
                                    Compaq       IBM (Intel)     ...
             HP          SUN


Operating   AIX         SINIX
Systems Digital UNIX   SOLARS                    Windows NT                 OS/400
            HP-UX

                ADABAS D
Databases      DB2 for AIX                      ADABAS D
            INFORMIX-OnLine 7                MS SQL Server 6.0              DB2/400
                ORACLE 7                        ORACLE 7


                                                                         Windows 3.11,
                                                                                 3.11,
 Dialog
               Windows 3.11, Windows 95, Windows NT, OSF/Motif,          Windows 95,
SAP-GUI
                             OS/2-Warp, Macintosh                        Windows NT,
                                                                          OS/2-Warp

Languages
                                    ABAP/4, C, C+ +
R/3 Middleware Transfer
            Protocols
• Front-end (presentation tier)
  – R/3 GUI uses resident OS resources to cut flow
    of data to 1-2 KB
  – whole screens are not passed but only logical
    control information and user inputs
• DB interface (between app and db servers)
  – SAP SQL within ABAP/4 environment
  – then translates queries into “native” SQL
More Middleware Functions
• Interprogram communications
  – synchronous vs. asynchronous
     • Synchronous uses CPI-C, from IBM in the late ’80s
  – RFC/RPC libraries and DLLs to call R/3
    functions/modules
  – SAP is closely aligned with COM from MS
• Transaction management
  – ALE -distributes db availability to several sites
     • routes data, maintains security
     • creates IDOC master which contains info about the data
     • SAP experimenting with XML for internal messaging
Application Linking & Enabling
            (ALE)
• Allows users to set up applications and
  databases at distributed locations
• Not only routes data, but knows what data
  are needed in given situations; “intelligent
  middleware”
  – ALE checks for consistency of data, updates
  – uses IDOCS to send message between loosely
    coupled systems, with possibly dif. R/3 ver.
  – Asynchronous RFC means if system is down on
    target it will retry again
R/3 Distribution Scenarios
• Initially, R/3 was designed with one
  centralized db in mind (from late ’80s)
• ALE technology was developed to enable
  different integration scenarios
  – Contained in Business Blueprint
     •   Centralized, integrated DB and application server
     •   Centralized by module on servers
     •   Completely decentralized R/3 with central db
     •   “Next Generation” architecture
DEV                      QAS                        PRD
CUST


TEST   SAND           QTST TRNG                   QTST




              System Landscape for SAP R/3 Implementation
Next Generation ERP
              Architecture
• What is Internet ERP?
  – N-tier
  – EC, K Mgt, CRM, data mining, DSS, BI functionality
    on top of back office
  – Integrated tools include
     •   BW with OLAP
     •   APO
     •   Sales Force Automation
     •   CRM
     •   B2B
     •   SCM
Enterprise Application
                    Integration (EAI)
                               MS Office


             Visual Basic                          Java




DW environments
                             EAI Server                   Legacy Applications




                  CRM, etc                 ERP Applications
NetWeaver Adoption
• SAP anticipates that NetWeaver will redefine the
  company in a global manner
   – About 3000 of more than 24,000 potential companies
     have put some portion of NetWeaver into play
   – Early stage of maturity
   – IBM and MicroSoft supporting NetWeaver
   – SAP committed heavily to grow this in 2004 and 2005
NetWeaver Components
•   SAP NetWeaver 2004 Synchronized Release as a single
    package
    –   SAP WAS 6.4
    –   SAP EP 6.0
    –   SAP XI 3.0
    –   SAP BW 3.5
    –   SAP MI 2.5
        •   (SAP MDM limited usage at this point)
•   All sold and shipped together and can be installed in one
    procedure
    –   Still possible to run individually
    –   Ramp up was April 2004
SAP MI
          SAP NetWeaver™
                                            PEOPLE INTEGRATION
SAP BI                                                                                                      SAP EP
                                            Multi channel access
                                                                                                        …
                                            Portal                 Collaboration
          Composite Application Framework

                                            INFORMATION INTEGRATION

                                            Bus. Intelligence      Knowledge Mgmt




                                                                                      Life Cycle Mgmt
SAP XI
                                            Master Data Management


                                            PROCESS INTEGRATION

SAP WAS                                     Integration            Business Process
                                            Broker                 Management
                                                                                                            SAP MDM
                                            APPLICATION PLATFORM

                                            J2EE                   ABAP

                                            DB and OS Abstraction
Evolution of SAP App
                development
•   ABAP & SAP Basis      WAS and Java

•   Open SQL              Open SQL for ABAP & Java

•   RFCs/BAPIs            Web Services/WSDL

•   ALE & IDocs           XI, MDM, and XML

•   Report Writer/Query   SAP BI

•   Dynpro, SAP GUI       Web Dynpro, EP, MI

•   ABAP Workbench         NetWeaver Developer Studio
mySAP.com
 Application Hosting Alternative
• Application Service Providers (ASPs)
  integrate and combine
   • Evaluation
   • Implementation
   • Operation
   • Service & Support

• Service offering for all kinds of outsourcing
  levels such as
   • Business Operation Services
   • Application Management Services
   • Platform Services
mySAP.com
                     Application Enterprise ASP Spending
             Applications Management
                                     Hosting
             30.0

             25.0                                     2500

                                                                            $2 BILLION
             20.0                                     2000
 $ Billion




                                          $ Million
             15.0                                     1500


             10.0                                     1000


             5.0                                      500
                                                             $150 MILLION
             0.0                                        0
                    1996   2001                                1999          2003
                             Source: G2                                     Source: IDC, 1999




• Analysts expect explosive growth in both
  sectors over next four years
• Primary Lead Market: US
• Secondary Lead Market: Europe
mySAP.com
                     Application Hosting
Evaluation
 Evaluation        Implementation
                     Implementation          Continuous Improvement
                                              Cont. Improvement



Test Drive Your                             We Host Your
Solution Online                             Solution Online
                                           Financial Application
          Compose Your                      Services
          Solution Online                  HR Application Services
                                                                    We Build And Host Your
                    We Implement Your                               Business Community /
                     Solution Online                                 Marketplace Online
                                                                       Industry Marketplaces
                                                                       Enterprise-specific
                                                                        Marketplaces
   SAP            Partners + SAP AH         SAP & Partners
SAP’s Portal Play



       • 3rd party services
       • More than 40 partners
       • Added value for business
         professionals
       • Highly Personalizable
Growing Importance of CRM
•Based on a recent GartnerGroup survey (Aug 2000) on customer
service e-tailing sites, there are many potential areas for improvements.
Some are simple; others require significant investments in people,
processes and technology. Here are the top-10 pitfalls:
•1. Requiring a password to access customer service
•2. Lack of a customer service tab
•3. Lack of search engines for general customer service
•4. Lack of a site map
•5. Lack of internationalization
•6. Lack of agent support for new channels
•7. Lack of working channels
•8. Lack of good customer service on the phone
•9. Lack of coordination between click and brick
•10. Requiring software download for access
CRM Has Many Components
      One to One Marketing                • Database Marketing

     Sales Force Automation                • Customer Care

                Direct Mail                • Telemarketing

     Relationship Marketing             • Marketing Automation

   Customer Data Warehousing             • Enterprise Relationship

Customer Segmentation & Analytics        • Customer Intimacy
               Front Office         •   Technology Enabled Relationship
Migrating to a New Model
Prior View            Future View



• Transaction         • Customer Driven
  Driven              • Multi-Media Access
• 1-800 Access        • Anytime Availability
• Limited             • Fully Integrated
  Availability        • Technology Enabled
• Stand Alone Units   • Enterprise
• Technology            Capabilities
  Constrained         • Profit Centers
• Limited
  Capabilities        • CRM Centers
• Cost Centers
• Call Centers
eCRM Technology Architecture
                                                                   Integrated Touchpoints

  Customer/                    MAIL                          FACE-TO-FACE                       SELF SERVICE                      TELEPHONY
   Prospect/
  Employee      •Paper • Electronic • Fax               • Handhelds • Tablets                   • Web   • Kiosks                 • ACD       • VRU
Touchpoints




                                           FRONT OFFICE                                                                      BACK OFFICE
               Marketing Workbench       Sales Workbench              Service Workbench
  Business     • Database Marketing      • Opportunity                • Case Management                          Order        Distribution
                                                                                                                                               Manufacturing
                                           Management
Applications   • Data Mining                                          • Help Desk
                                                                                                               Management     & Logistics
                                         • Proposal Generation
               • Campaign                                             • Dispatch
                                         • Marketing
                 Management                Encyclopedia
                                                                      • Management Analytics
               • Content Management      • Configuration &
                                           Pricing                    • Routing                                                Finance,
               • Interactive Marketing
                                         • Tele Sales                                                          Procurement    Accounting,            Billing
               • Management Analytics                                 • Scheduling
                                                                                                                                  HR
                                         • Management Analytics       • Spare Parts Inventory


                                           FRONT OFFICE                                                                      BACK OFFICE




 Data Stores                                            DATA WAREHOUSE & OPERATIONAL DATA STORES


                               Leads                    Opportunities                     Customers                     Interactions
eCRMLive
                                                                                                         Specialist
• Located in PricewaterhouseCoopers’ CRM Solution
   Customer                                                                                    ion
                                                                                                     s
                                                                                         lat
                                                                                       ca
  Centers, Rosemont, IL, and Philadelphia, PA,
                                Call Routing

                                      VRU                   Available CSR
                                                                              Ca
                                                                                ll   Es



  eCRMLive demonstrates the successful deployment
    E-mail
                                                                                           Supervisory Functions


  of best-in-class multi-media customer contact
  solutions.
 Telephone Call   Switch/ACD
                                                                                           Queue and
                                                                                            Capacity
                                                                                           Monitoring
                                                                                                                Workforce
                                                                                                               Management
                                       CTI
                                    Middleware              Case Management




      Web           Internet
 Self-service &
 Collaboration
                                                                                                         Relationship
                                                                                                          Marketing


                         Content
                       Management                 Legacy         Customer
                                                 Database        Database
                                                                                                            SFA
eCRM Vendors
Vendor                  Demonstrated Functionality
BroadVision             Web Personalization
CenterCore              Call Center Furniture
CNT                     Legacy Middleware Integration
Compaq                  NT servers and Desktop PCs
Genesys                 Computer Telephony Integration, E-Mail
Grahl                   Ergonomic Call Center Seating
Avaya                   Switch/ACD, Internet Telephony Gateway,Internet Call Center,
                        Call Management Server, Telephones & Headsets
Microsoft               Microsoft ASP
Nuance Communications   Speech Recognition
Siebel Systems          Customer Service and Support Application, Sales
                        ForceAutomation
Sun Microsystems        Unix Servers
Symon Communications    Reader Board Messaging
Vignette                Web Content Management
Cisco                   Web Collaboration/Integration
Xchange                 Campaign Management
Aspect Communications   Workforce Management

R3arch

  • 1.
    Architecture of theR/3 System Chapter 14
  • 2.
    Problems of Enterprise-Wide Computing • Slow response time during peak traffic loads • Different time zones, systems, upgrades • Heterogeneous database problem • Multiple platforms
  • 3.
    R/3 and EnterpriseComputing • Development of “middleware” enables portability across platforms – Technologies include: • Db replication, messaging, XML, remote procedures • R/3 supports: – TCP/IP – RFC – SQL & ODBC – OLE, MAPI, EDI
  • 4.
    R/3 Server Installations •3-tier C/S preferred – Homogeneous - same OS on one or more platforms – Heterogeneous - a variety of platforms ex. UNIX, NT, Windows on application server • UNIX with Oracle, Informix, DB2 on db server – R/3 solves the distributed multiple heterogeneous platform problem with “middleware”
  • 5.
    Benefits of MultipleApplication Servers • An alternate server can be automatically selected if one is unavailable • “Load balancing” of clients to least busy server • Can optimize queries and reduce load on db server to improve response time • Because it is scalable, servers can be added as more processing capability is needed
  • 6.
    C/S Scenarios • Centralizedhost computer performs all tasks including db, applications, and presentation • 2-tier C/S - db server is separate from “thick client” which processes apps and presentation • 3-tier C/S - separate systems for db, apps, and presentation (preferred by R/3) • N-tier C/S – extension using servers on Internet
  • 7.
    SAP R/3 BasisSystem Hardware UNIX Systems Data AT&T General Sequent Bull IBM IBM Bull/Zenith HP (Intel) SNI Digital SNI AS/400 Compaq IBM (Intel) ... HP SUN Operating AIX SINIX Systems Digital UNIX SOLARS Windows NT OS/400 HP-UX ADABAS D Databases DB2 for AIX ADABAS D INFORMIX-OnLine 7 MS SQL Server 6.0 DB2/400 ORACLE 7 ORACLE 7 Windows 3.11, 3.11, Dialog Windows 3.11, Windows 95, Windows NT, OSF/Motif, Windows 95, SAP-GUI OS/2-Warp, Macintosh Windows NT, OS/2-Warp Languages ABAP/4, C, C+ +
  • 8.
    R/3 Middleware Transfer Protocols • Front-end (presentation tier) – R/3 GUI uses resident OS resources to cut flow of data to 1-2 KB – whole screens are not passed but only logical control information and user inputs • DB interface (between app and db servers) – SAP SQL within ABAP/4 environment – then translates queries into “native” SQL
  • 9.
    More Middleware Functions •Interprogram communications – synchronous vs. asynchronous • Synchronous uses CPI-C, from IBM in the late ’80s – RFC/RPC libraries and DLLs to call R/3 functions/modules – SAP is closely aligned with COM from MS • Transaction management – ALE -distributes db availability to several sites • routes data, maintains security • creates IDOC master which contains info about the data • SAP experimenting with XML for internal messaging
  • 10.
    Application Linking &Enabling (ALE) • Allows users to set up applications and databases at distributed locations • Not only routes data, but knows what data are needed in given situations; “intelligent middleware” – ALE checks for consistency of data, updates – uses IDOCS to send message between loosely coupled systems, with possibly dif. R/3 ver. – Asynchronous RFC means if system is down on target it will retry again
  • 11.
    R/3 Distribution Scenarios •Initially, R/3 was designed with one centralized db in mind (from late ’80s) • ALE technology was developed to enable different integration scenarios – Contained in Business Blueprint • Centralized, integrated DB and application server • Centralized by module on servers • Completely decentralized R/3 with central db • “Next Generation” architecture
  • 12.
    DEV QAS PRD CUST TEST SAND QTST TRNG QTST System Landscape for SAP R/3 Implementation
  • 13.
    Next Generation ERP Architecture • What is Internet ERP? – N-tier – EC, K Mgt, CRM, data mining, DSS, BI functionality on top of back office – Integrated tools include • BW with OLAP • APO • Sales Force Automation • CRM • B2B • SCM
  • 14.
    Enterprise Application Integration (EAI) MS Office Visual Basic Java DW environments EAI Server Legacy Applications CRM, etc ERP Applications
  • 15.
    NetWeaver Adoption • SAPanticipates that NetWeaver will redefine the company in a global manner – About 3000 of more than 24,000 potential companies have put some portion of NetWeaver into play – Early stage of maturity – IBM and MicroSoft supporting NetWeaver – SAP committed heavily to grow this in 2004 and 2005
  • 16.
    NetWeaver Components • SAP NetWeaver 2004 Synchronized Release as a single package – SAP WAS 6.4 – SAP EP 6.0 – SAP XI 3.0 – SAP BW 3.5 – SAP MI 2.5 • (SAP MDM limited usage at this point) • All sold and shipped together and can be installed in one procedure – Still possible to run individually – Ramp up was April 2004
  • 17.
    SAP MI SAP NetWeaver™ PEOPLE INTEGRATION SAP BI SAP EP Multi channel access … Portal Collaboration Composite Application Framework INFORMATION INTEGRATION Bus. Intelligence Knowledge Mgmt Life Cycle Mgmt SAP XI Master Data Management PROCESS INTEGRATION SAP WAS Integration Business Process Broker Management SAP MDM APPLICATION PLATFORM J2EE ABAP DB and OS Abstraction
  • 18.
    Evolution of SAPApp development • ABAP & SAP Basis WAS and Java • Open SQL Open SQL for ABAP & Java • RFCs/BAPIs Web Services/WSDL • ALE & IDocs XI, MDM, and XML • Report Writer/Query SAP BI • Dynpro, SAP GUI Web Dynpro, EP, MI • ABAP Workbench NetWeaver Developer Studio
  • 20.
    mySAP.com Application HostingAlternative • Application Service Providers (ASPs) integrate and combine • Evaluation • Implementation • Operation • Service & Support • Service offering for all kinds of outsourcing levels such as • Business Operation Services • Application Management Services • Platform Services
  • 21.
    mySAP.com Application Enterprise ASP Spending Applications Management Hosting 30.0 25.0 2500 $2 BILLION 20.0 2000 $ Billion $ Million 15.0 1500 10.0 1000 5.0 500 $150 MILLION 0.0 0 1996 2001 1999 2003 Source: G2 Source: IDC, 1999 • Analysts expect explosive growth in both sectors over next four years • Primary Lead Market: US • Secondary Lead Market: Europe
  • 22.
    mySAP.com Application Hosting Evaluation Evaluation Implementation Implementation Continuous Improvement Cont. Improvement Test Drive Your We Host Your Solution Online Solution Online  Financial Application Compose Your Services Solution Online  HR Application Services We Build And Host Your We Implement Your Business Community / Solution Online Marketplace Online  Industry Marketplaces  Enterprise-specific Marketplaces SAP Partners + SAP AH SAP & Partners
  • 23.
    SAP’s Portal Play • 3rd party services • More than 40 partners • Added value for business professionals • Highly Personalizable
  • 25.
    Growing Importance ofCRM •Based on a recent GartnerGroup survey (Aug 2000) on customer service e-tailing sites, there are many potential areas for improvements. Some are simple; others require significant investments in people, processes and technology. Here are the top-10 pitfalls: •1. Requiring a password to access customer service •2. Lack of a customer service tab •3. Lack of search engines for general customer service •4. Lack of a site map •5. Lack of internationalization •6. Lack of agent support for new channels •7. Lack of working channels •8. Lack of good customer service on the phone •9. Lack of coordination between click and brick •10. Requiring software download for access
  • 26.
    CRM Has ManyComponents One to One Marketing • Database Marketing Sales Force Automation • Customer Care Direct Mail • Telemarketing Relationship Marketing • Marketing Automation Customer Data Warehousing • Enterprise Relationship Customer Segmentation & Analytics • Customer Intimacy Front Office • Technology Enabled Relationship
  • 27.
    Migrating to aNew Model Prior View Future View • Transaction • Customer Driven Driven • Multi-Media Access • 1-800 Access • Anytime Availability • Limited • Fully Integrated Availability • Technology Enabled • Stand Alone Units • Enterprise • Technology Capabilities Constrained • Profit Centers • Limited Capabilities • CRM Centers • Cost Centers • Call Centers
  • 28.
    eCRM Technology Architecture Integrated Touchpoints Customer/ MAIL FACE-TO-FACE SELF SERVICE TELEPHONY Prospect/ Employee •Paper • Electronic • Fax • Handhelds • Tablets • Web • Kiosks • ACD • VRU Touchpoints FRONT OFFICE BACK OFFICE Marketing Workbench Sales Workbench Service Workbench Business • Database Marketing • Opportunity • Case Management Order Distribution Manufacturing Management Applications • Data Mining • Help Desk Management & Logistics • Proposal Generation • Campaign • Dispatch • Marketing Management Encyclopedia • Management Analytics • Content Management • Configuration & Pricing • Routing Finance, • Interactive Marketing • Tele Sales Procurement Accounting, Billing • Management Analytics • Scheduling HR • Management Analytics • Spare Parts Inventory FRONT OFFICE BACK OFFICE Data Stores DATA WAREHOUSE & OPERATIONAL DATA STORES Leads Opportunities Customers Interactions
  • 29.
    eCRMLive Specialist • Located in PricewaterhouseCoopers’ CRM Solution Customer ion s lat ca Centers, Rosemont, IL, and Philadelphia, PA, Call Routing VRU Available CSR Ca ll Es eCRMLive demonstrates the successful deployment E-mail Supervisory Functions of best-in-class multi-media customer contact solutions. Telephone Call Switch/ACD Queue and Capacity Monitoring Workforce Management CTI Middleware Case Management Web Internet Self-service & Collaboration Relationship Marketing Content Management Legacy Customer Database Database SFA
  • 30.
    eCRM Vendors Vendor Demonstrated Functionality BroadVision Web Personalization CenterCore Call Center Furniture CNT Legacy Middleware Integration Compaq NT servers and Desktop PCs Genesys Computer Telephony Integration, E-Mail Grahl Ergonomic Call Center Seating Avaya Switch/ACD, Internet Telephony Gateway,Internet Call Center, Call Management Server, Telephones & Headsets Microsoft Microsoft ASP Nuance Communications Speech Recognition Siebel Systems Customer Service and Support Application, Sales ForceAutomation Sun Microsystems Unix Servers Symon Communications Reader Board Messaging Vignette Web Content Management Cisco Web Collaboration/Integration Xchange Campaign Management Aspect Communications Workforce Management

Editor's Notes

  • #8 Basis System Application Architecture With the SAP R/3 Basis System, applications can run on different hardware and system platforms with higher performance, and can be adapted to users’ specific requirements.
  • #21 As a result of this chapter, you should be able to: Explain the main components of the mySAP.com Workplace offering. Provide examples of the mySAP.com Workplace functionality.
  • #30 eCRM live Discuss history and evolution of solution center (see notes on next slide) Review chart customer box - communication methods. Web - internet site and using Webline for the web collaboration Email - using Genesys for email capabilities Call Routing box - Computer Telephony Integration -Genesys - intelligent or skill based routing, screen popup, (Conna is the competitor) Supervisory Functions box - pertains to 2nd tier of org (ie team lead, supervisors, etc). Queue and Capacity Montioring relates to reporting out of the Lucent switch (not demo) and Workforce Mgmt is using stats from switch (not demo since TCS is not included in this solution set). Helps plan the resource staffing. CSR box - 2 tier model and cockpit SFA - sales force automation - ability to share info Relationship mtkg - campaigning-- Valex - ie. Seg customers **Append to talk about the Philadelphia Zone Originally built for a call center trade show 2 yrs ago. Has developed into a contact solution set that highlights the integration between marketing, call center and contact center (including service). Originally 20-25 vendors but with vendors expanding their footprint thru acquisitions/mergers and development, demo vendors has decreased down to 10-15.
  • #31 Participating Vendors Siebel version – 99.5 Compaq - servers support webline, siebel, java, genesys strategy Lucent - Definity G3 switch (will be upgrading), provides ITG, ICC - voice over IP. CMS - supports reporting, workforce, readerboard Microsoft - translator of html pages Siebel - also supports SFA Sunw - servers support CTI, Siebel dbs, CMS Vignette – i.e. product catalog Webline – owned by Cisco, i.e. web chat, push & pull documents Campaign Mgmt – Exchange Apps - Valex CNT - Computer Network Technology - EAI - Enterprise Acess Integration - screen scraper between internet an d legacy Genesys - Conna is competitor - more intelligent routing capabilities Nuance - not part of reg demo - could show it using the nunance # - 888-nuance8. (competitor is Intervoice and Lucent convergent IVR) Apect Commun - at trade show only - competitor is Blue Pumpkin Original footprint included a lot more but the consolidation thru acquisitions have decreased the number. Broadvision - FS vertical solution being configured for future demoing to show the personalized web site capabilities and integration to Siebel in realtime