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Access to Statutory Services: from the perspective of both
Minority Ethnic Elders and External Organisations
Summary report written and produced by NWREN as part of the MEEA Project
NWREN, February 2015, Belinda Gammon
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The Minority Ethnic Elders Advocacy Project
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MEEA Project Language Report
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Contents
Acknowledgements 3
The MEEA Project 4
About NWREN 4
Section 1a: Introduction to the Report 5
Section 1b: Overview 8
Section 2: The method 9
Section 3: The Results 12
Section 4: Conclusions and Recommendations 18
References 22

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This report was produced as part of the NWREN Minority Ethnic Elders Advocacy Project (MEEA):
a pan-Wales project funded by the BIG Lottery. The project would like to acknowledge the
invaluable support given by the following people:
Research Planning - Acknowledgments must first go to Mary Holmes without whose knowledge
and experience of both research and research methods and the Voluntary Sector, this survey
would not have been possible.
Introduction - Further acknowledgments are due to Mary Holmes for contributing the text for
the report’s Introduction (Section 1a).
The Discussion Facilitators and Recorders - Susheela Lourie; Nayan Patel; Jenny Porter;
Idney Fernandes; Helga Uckermann; Gemma Hamblin; Nichola Roberts; Rita Jones and Lindsay
Sullivan. Thanks to the hard work, skills and experience of the Facilitators and Recorders, the
quality of response from the interviewees (MEEA project beneficiaries) exceeded expectations.
Grateful thanks also go to Susan Jones for facilitating the Question Time panel.
Service Providers from Statutory & Voluntary Sectors – who gave so freely of their time,
with special thanks for their honesty and dedication in taking part in the Question Time Panel and
Discussion Group.
Project Beneficiaries & Volunteer Champions – Grateful acknowledgements must go to the
project beneficiaries, without whom, this survey would not have been possible.
Editorial support – thanks go to Professor Robert Moore and Will Wain for editorial comment
and guidance.

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The MEEA project is a pan-Wales project, in which NWREN is working in
partnership with Lead partner, Race Equality First (REF), South East Wales
Regional Equality Council (SEWREC) and Swansea Bay Regional Equality
Council (SBREC). The Project in North Wales, having some 2,400 square miles
to cover, works across each of the six Local Authority areas: Anglesey;
Conwy; Denbighshire; Flintshire; Gwynedd and Wrexham.
The three-year project aims to provide an independent advocacy service to
Minority Ethnic Elders (MEE) aged 50+. It will empower and support MEE to
live the way they want to, ensuring their ability to access services which they
currently may not use due to lack of awareness and barriers of language,
confidence and physical ability. Working closely with organisations in the
statutory and voluntary sector which offer services to older people, the
Project will raise awareness of the particular needs of MEE. Importantly, it
will ensure that MEE are able to influence practice and general improvements
in local services by telling service providers what they actually want and need.
A choir has been established across the North Wales region to learn,
choreograph and video the NWREN MEEA Project’s own cover version of
Pharrell’s ‘Happy’ song at iconic locations across North Wales. The choir has
been dubbed “The Happy Choir” and further plans include learning an
international version of Amazing Grace, along with songs from the project
beneficiaries’ cultures. As more beneficiaries join the project, event planning
will be done on a group by group basis.
About NWREN
The North Wales Regional Equality Network (NWREN) works across all areas
of equality with a range of partners. As a charity we are committed to:
working towards the elimination of discrimination and disadvantage in all its
forms; promoting equality of opportunity and good relations between all
through understanding and addressing issues of discrimination and equality;
working towards upholding the human rights of all people. NWREN mainly
operates across Anglesey, Conwy, Denbighshire, Flintshire, Gwynedd and
Wrexham. Current projects include: BIG Lottery Funding; People and
Places Project which has 3 main strands - the Anti-Hate Crime Project, the
Equality Centre Project and Development of a North Wales Voluntary Sector
Equality and Human Rights Forum across North Wales. Also BIG Lottery
Funding, the Community Voice Project, aimed at helping people to get
their voices heard.
The iDENTiTY Project is a Welsh government funded initiative targeting
young people across Wales who identify with the protected characteristics of
race, sexual orientation and gender reassignment, supporting them through
adolescence to adulthood.
The MEEA Project

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Section 1a: Introduction
This report examines the perspective of MEE groups and individuals (for this
survey, 45 BME individuals took part) and statutory providers, within North
Wales, with regard to the importance and difficulties in the provision of own
dialect interpreting services. This report is an initial step in a longitudinal
study, with the aim of bringing together both the perspectives of service
providers and their MEE clients. It has explored, with reference to own
dialect interpreting provision, the difference between the experience of MEE
when accessing statutory services and the intentions of the providers
delivering those services.
The report hopes to promote better understanding of the issues around MEE
accessing statutory services and to present clear empirical evidence of need
and service limitations. Together, the data are intended to demonstrate need
rather than elicited criticism. The findings in this report are not unique to
North Wales, and they would appear to correlate with replicated findings
across Britain. What may be a unique asset to North Wales is the tangible
level of genuine engagement and co-operation from the participating
statutory and voluntary service providers.
An estimated 4 million older people in the UK (36% of people aged 65-74 and
47% of those aged 75+) have a limiting longstanding illness. This equates to
40% of all people aged 65+ 1
(Office of National Statistics 2013). As in all
populations, the likely prevalence of disease and chronic health conditions
increases with age, so it is no surprise that the primary focus of the
participants within this study was on the health care system. (Minority Ethnic
Elders Advocacy project (50 years +)) There was also recorded evidence of a
secondary focus on comparative translation needs within the Criminal Justice
System.
This sometimes rhetorical and fragmentary debate on the importance of
language and own dialect translation services is historically and currently well
documented in both academic and ‘grey’ literature.
As reported by Stevenson and Roa (2014), there are marked differences in
ethnic population vs the white indigenous population when accessing health
care. They suggest ‘intrinsic’ cultural differences, such as language and
literacy, as well as organisational factors in health services, as possible
explanatory factors for this disparity in uptake. They point out that research
on cardiovascular care has shown repeatedly that BME communities have
poorer access to hospital care, although studies on health care seeking
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The estimate is for the UK, based on Great Britain data from the General Lifestyle
Survey 2011; Office for National Statistics, 2013.

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behaviour have found that they may have a greater likelihood of seeking
immediate care compared with their white counterparts.
Diabetes and associated problems can become more prevalent with the
ageing process. The Department of Health Health Survey for England 2003
(2004) highlighted significant gaps in BME patient knowledge, understanding
and confidence in managing diabetes. These gaps were more pronounced for
ethnic minorities than the white population. Language was featured as a
major barrier to accessing services.
Factors such as modesty; fear; embarrassment relating to examination
particularly by male staff; differing attitudes, perceptions and beliefs of health
and health service; language difficulties – both English proficiency and literacy
in own language – are reported as contributory factors to low uptake by BME
individuals in screening for breast and bowel cancer. (Bansal, et al 2012). The
same language barriers are reported in uptake of cervical screening (Thomas,
Saleem and Abraham 2005).
Gynaecology and obstetric procedures are personal and often emotive. The
director of BME Health Forum Nafsika Thalassis reports that in the study
carried out in 2013 there were “many instances where women who are not
fluent English speakers are not offered interpreters and that even when they
request this service, their request is refused. For the two women in this
project who were not fluent English speakers, this led to a number of
profound misunderstandings about their choices, which have cost implications
as well as resulting in poorer care for the women. This inconsistent use of
interpreting services has negative implications for safeguarding women and
children as well as clinical care.”
These phenomena are not limited to secondary care, Primary Concern, a
report by the BME Health Forum (2008) focuses on understanding barriers
experienced by BME regarding GP access. One of the main issues highlighted
are ‘Communication problems, caused by language and cultural barriers
impede on the doctor-patient relationship. Interpreting services are not widely
available and waiting for an interpreter to be booked limits access to services.
Many people use unofficial interpreters, including children thus jeopardising
the clinical outcome of the consultation.’
To put the issue of need versus provision in context there are a further two
critical factors to consider, primarily the Race Relations (Amendment) Act
2000.
The Act came into force on 2nd
April 2001 and requires public authorities to
make the promotion of racial equality central to all activities. The duty is
obligatory, not optional, and a list of specific duties is listed by the Equalities
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The general duty of the Act also expects public authorities to take the lead in
ensuring equal access to all: ‘By providing widely accessible interpretation and
translation services we are taking steps to minimise the risk of language
difficulties becoming a barrier to individuals understanding of their own
healthcare needs and treatment.’ This dynamic is further reinforced by the
NHS’s ‘Improving access to Psychological Therapies’ (IAPT) – ‘Non-English-
speaking people may not be able to communicate their needs effectively if an
IAPT service lacks appropriate language capacity. This could mean that
proper and correct assessments may not be made.’
The second consideration is that of cost as statutory budgets are curtailed by
austerity measures (Health in Austerity) 2013. This particularly applies in rural
areas where the density and diversity of the BME groups and individuals
challenges the urban solutions of economies of scale in the provision of
translators.
Within a global economy and the push/pull factors within the European
States, demographic change is inevitable and the evolution of appropriate
services should be pre-equipped rather than reactive in order to cater for
these changes. According to the Black and Minority Ethnic (BME) Leadership
Forum, the UK is set to overtake the USA as the most diverse society in the
western world over the next 35 years. ‘While socially and culturally we have
made great strides in first accepting and then celebrating our diversity, some
parts of our healthcare system have been slow to react to the changing
demographic landscape’.
It should never be said that the “one size fits all” philosophy or “we treat
everybody the same way”, is an equitable or non-discriminatory approach to
translation. Across Britain, there is a plethora of researched and developed
practical translation practices. There appears to be no collation of these
practices as to their overall efficacy, application and possible economic and
social impact. The inherent difficulties and shortcomings of translation
services are sufficiently documented to illustrate the need for convergent
solutions. This does not mean rhetorical “best practice”, but rather the
shared development of generic, tested and peer reviewed multi-platform
materials that reduce the initial barriers to information and the statutory
services.
With the clear dialogue and the open commitment demonstrated by those
responsible for the ‘equalities’ from the statutory sectors across North Wales
and the MEEA Project beneficiaries in conducting the research for this Report,
there is the opportunity to make achievable and maintainable impacts.
Working together with BME individuals and populations, to provide more
equitable access to services and an improved knowledge of provisions
available, is in itself a preventative measure. If issues of language and

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miscomprehensions are addressed at an initial stage, (for both BME and
indigenous English/Welsh speaking populations) it may reduce both costs for
service providers and anxiety of the individuals concerned.
1. Background Information
The research was carried out by NWREN as part of the MEEA Project and
summarises the research findings on experiences of Minority Ethnic Elders
(MEE) across North Wales on accessing healthcare and other statutory
services with a focus on provision of own dialect interpreting services.
1.1 Review of the Existing Literature
Existing literature shows that provision of own dialect interpreting provision to
ethnic minority individuals has been an issue for many years: the report,
“Access to Health: A Minority Ethnic Perspective” dated April 1994 and carried
out in Aylesbury and Milton Keynes, revealed a deficiency in supply. In 2006,
the report, “Health and Care Consultation with the Chinese Women’s Society”
conducted in North Wales, revealed a “need for an interpreter service
standing out as key to services for those with language problems. The
provision of professional interpreters trained to work within the health service
is the king pin of a policy for equal access to health services.”
1.2 The Local context
There are six Local Authority areas in the North of Wales. Regarding Health
Care and Criminal Justice, each of the six LA areas come under a North Wales
centralised management body: Betsi Cadwaladr for Health Care and North
Wales Police respectively. In this research, Gwynedd, Denbighshire and
Wrexham, three out of six Local Authority areas of North Wales were
represented by the Voluntary Sector, North Wales Police and Betsi Cadwaladr.
The Project Beneficiary Participants (45) came from Chinese, European
Portuguese, Hong Kong Chinese, Indian, Irish, and Zimbabwean communities
based in Gwynedd, Denbighshire and Wrexham. Dialects spoken (12)
included Cantonese, Mandarin, Hakka, Malay, German, European Portuguese,
Gujurati, Hindi, Urdu, Punjabi, Swahili and Zimbabwean.
Section 1b: Overview

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2.1 Method
Design –
This was a three-phases Qualitative piece of research
i. Initial focus groups
ii. Semi-structured discussion groups with beneficiaries
iii. Semi-structured discussion groups with service providers
Both semi-structured discussion groups ii. and iii. were run in parallel.
2.2 The Participants
The Project beneficiary participants came from Gwynedd & Môn, Denbighshire
and Wrexham. The Project Beneficiary Participants (45) included Chinese,
European Portuguese, Hong Kong Chinese, Indian, Irish, and Zimbabwean
communities based in Gwynedd, Denbighshire and Wrexham. Ages ranged
from 50 to 80. Dialects spoken (12) included Cantonese, Mandarin, Hakka,
Malay, German, European Portuguese, Gujurati, Hindi, Urdu, Punjabi, Swahili
and Zimbabwean.
Service providers represented came from the Voluntary Sector, North Wales
Police and Betsi Cadwaladr University Hospital (BCUHB).
For the first phase, contact was made through monthly NWREN MEEA project
Advocafé meetings. Phase 2 took place at the 2014 NWREN MEEA
conference, held at a central location in Llandudno. Project beneficiaries and
service providers attended this conference, during which both groups took
part in a 30 minute discussion group.
2.4 Phase 1
Phase one of the research was carried out via semi-structured focus groups
2.3 Aims and Objectives
1) to formally collate, the incidence of poor access to own dialect interpreting
provision, and
2) to ascertain the possible impact/s on minority ethnic elders deriving from the
difficulties encountered with comprehension and translation.
Both of the above objectives relate to accessing statutory services.
The aims of this research are to use the collated data to advocate and promote a
better understanding of the translation needs of Minority Ethnic Elders (MEE)
with a view to informing future provision and policy decisions across Wales.
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which took place in 2014: the first in Wrexham with seven participants, the
second in Gwynedd with 12 participants. The questions posed were:
Which, out of the following, are most important to you:
Social/Leisure/Recreation; Personal Advocacy Services; Health/Fitness; Get
Together Mornings; Adult Education; Welfare/Benefits; Financial/Budgeting;
Personal Grooming; Housing/maintenance; Religious/Cultural; Transport;
Other? The results from this phase were used to guide and develop the
questions for the semi structured discussion groups in phases ii and iii groups
B and C.
2.5 Phase 2
The second phase was carried out during the NWREN MEEA Project
conference, amongst two different groups of participants: project
beneficiaries and service providers. The project beneficiaries, Group A,
numbered 30 participants from Gwynedd, 13 from Wrexham and 2 from
Denbighshire. Languages spoken “on the floor” at the conference included
Cantonese, Mandarin, Hakka, Malay, European Portuguese, German, Gujurati,
Hindi, Urdu, Punjabi, Swahili, Welsh and English. Not all project beneficiary
participants speak English, however, amongst those who do, English speaking
skills vary greatly.
In the service provider group, Group B, there were six service provider
participants, representing Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board (BCUHB);
Gwynedd County Council; Wrexham County Council; North Wales Police;
North Wales Community Health Council (CIC). The method used during the
conference consisted of semi-structured discussion groups, each led by a
facilitator and a recorder.

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2.6 Phase 2 — The Questions
The following four questions were discussed with the project beneficiary respondents (Group
A):
1. In your experience, what have been or could be the consequences of not having own
dialect interpreting when accessing Health or other Statutory services?
2. In your experience, what have been or could be the consequences if patients and
practitioners are not able to understand one another?
3. In your experience, what has been or could be the impact on patients and their families if
they cannot explain their situation to their families?
4. In your experience, what have been or could be the consequences for patients on their
overall health through not being able to understand their prognosis?
The service provider respondents discussed the following questions (Group B):
1. What are the difficulties you, as a statutory agency face in providing translation services?
2. What suggestions can you think of to overcome current difficulties or improve the current
provision? Please include successful practices that you currently implement.

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3.1 Phase 1
The results across all groups showed perception of a clear gap, reflected by
each group of participants, in provision of interpreting services for minority
ethnic elder community members when accessing statutory services. In
addition, in the few cited examples of service providers supplying interpreting
services, the wrong dialect was used, resulting in, at best, poor service with
accompanying frustration and distress, at worst, leading to a possible life-
threatening situation.
These initial Data were instrumental in the decision to take the research
further and after discussion with the participants and line-management, the
decision was taken to stage a conference at which both Group A and Group B
would take part in a more detailed second phase of research.
3.2 Phase 2 – Project Beneficiaries
For simplicity the questions within this report had sub-divisions but on the
ground, the data captured was all interrelated and co-dependent. Thus the
results have been split into the following categories Physical;
Psychological/Emotional; Financial; Practical.
3.2.2 Physical
i One of the more poignant examples disclosed by Group A was of a family
who had to wait 15 years for an appropriate service: “if you have difficulty
with your GP in primary care – there is no way you’ll ever get to secondary
care”. If you are not understood within the primary care system, you’ll never
even reach secondary care to know if there are problems or not. This raises
the question of the prevalence of incidences of un-diagnosed health problems
which exist in ME populations.
ii One participant reported a case of a complicated pregnancy which, due to
lack of available translation services, was compounded by a delay in advising
termination of the pregnancy, causing potential undue suffering to the foetus
with potential to threaten the wellbeing of the mother. In this case, there
were strong criticisms of wasting time whilst waiting for interpreting support,
leading to deterioration of patient's health.
iii Receiving treatment: participants disclosed some examples of diabetes
sufferers in hospital not understanding the menu and having to wait for family
members to visit them in hospital in order to translate for them. Support was
required for both explaining to hospital staff that they were diabetic and for
translating instructions regarding medicines and/or procedures prescribed.
The situation led to patients being presented with inappropriate food, which
in some cases led to undesirable fluctuations in blood-sugar levels.
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iv Lack of interpreting provision was found to affect both in-treatment and
discharge aspects of the process, as evidenced by one participant’s disclosure.
While in hospital for an operation, she was not given any explanation of the
procedure she was about to undertake, nor, after her operation, was she
given any aftercare information: this led to the patient experiencing
complications after her discharge.
v The above examples highlight participants’ experiences of some of the
dangers inherent both at point of accessing support and receiving treatment.
However, many highlighted fears concerning the transition from hospital or
centre-based health care to home and resumption of self-care, particularly
when an individual is required to continue with specific, prescribed self-
administered health-care routines or prescribed medicines.
The issue of difficulties in patient-to-professional communication during
transitions from hospital to home, was further highlighted by anecdotal
evidence of patients not realising the seriousness and consequences of their
diagnosis, to the extent of discharging themselves and later requiring re-
admission through Accident and Emergency.
3.2.3 Psychological/Emotional
i Poor translation affects not just the individual but the whole family and at
times the whole Community. In one participant’s disclosure above, of
patients receiving no treatment or when the condition remains undiagnosed,
family members are often asked to translate, including children or young
adults in inappropriate situations, causing embarrassment and distress.
Participants discussed fears of the dangers inherent in such situations, of mis-
translation of medical terms – thereby placing further stress on the family
member called upon to translate.
ii Participants discussed fears that, during later stages in the health-care
process, the family may worry because they do not know or understand the
prognosis and the patient can become angry and anxious, with raised stress
levels adding to and further exacerbating the patient’s original condition,
causing distress amongst the family.
iii The patient mentioned at 3.2.2.iv was not given any explanations of the
treatment she was about to receive nor any post-op information and on
returning home experienced post-op complications. In the discussion group,
she spoke of how frightening she found this experience.
iv GPs have been known to send patients away because of language
difficulties: one participant disclosed an anecdote of patients having to go
“home” to their country of origin (in some cases, flying up to 6,000 miles) in
order to get consultation and appropriate treatment.
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brought about by not being able to understand or be understood, saying that
this experience is not just limited to accessing the Health Service, but to every
other local authority service. Participants spoke of experiencing such
difficulties when they were given access to interpreting provision in the wrong
dialect, for example, being given Brazilian Portuguese instead of European
Portuguese translation.
vi Many participants made references to the handling of appointments
concerning gender specific problems which are very private for both men and
women, at which a family member is often expected to translate (due to lack
of or inadequate interpreting provision), bringing about embarrassment and
distress for both the patient and their family interpreter – all respondents felt
it entirely inappropriate that relatives are called upon to bear the brunt of
such awkward situations.
vii Several participants expressed lack of trust in the health system, because
they, as individuals, were not understood and in turn they do not understand
medical terminology used by health professionals in relation to their
conditions. It is not difficult to envisage the worry and depression that stems
from this and circulates within the family. It also causes conflict within the
family and an unfair dependency on the immediate community: this is
especially the case where the same few voluntary community interpreters are
very often called upon at all times of the day or night.
viii Participants spoke of how community interpreting relies upon the
goodwill of these few people and the actual translation at times has to travel
through three languages. It is not hard to appreciate how the margin for
error increases, with sometimes dire consequences.
ix One participant told of how a diabetic was very frightened because they
could not explain to the staff that they needed to self-medicate and had to
wait until a family member arrived: a situation that caused considerable fear
and frustration.
3.2.4 Financial
In the example quoted above of GPs sending patients “home” because of
language difficulties, leading to patients, in some cases, flying up to 6,000
miles in order to get consultation and appropriate treatment, this can incur
huge expense, being absent from work and in some cases leading to loss of
employment. Upon return to the UK, they find themselves in the position of
having to re-build their lives from scratch: this has obvious effects on
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3.2.5 Practical
i Appointments have been missed as there was nobody to translate, thereby
leading to further delays in consultation, diagnosis and appropriate treatment,
as well as a waste of resources.
ii One of the biggest problems is, “telling the doctor about your illness and
the medication you are taking”. Participants told of how, in some cases, the
patients come away from surgery and the pharmacy with little or no idea how
and when to take the medication. In certain circumstances, this might easily
be construed as clinical negligence.
iii GPs do not always have awareness of ethnic-specific conditions. For
example: the more holistic perspective held within European and Asian
cultures towards menstruation. Females from both communities in the focus
groups reported difficulties in getting their GPs to comprehend this
perspective. They also reported that it was both unfair and embarrassing to
ask their husbands/partners to help with the translation on such personal,
gender-specific matters.
iv Participants spoke of the assumptions made on behalf of children who
speak English/Welsh, that they would be able to take the place of appropriate
interpreting provision. However, in many cases, children may not have
sufficient knowledge of their parents’ mother tongue to translate or
understand both sides of the communication.
v There were three examples, given by participants, of service user needs
being misunderstood, resulting in the inappropriate interpreter being
provided: namely inappropriate choice of Chinese and Portuguese languages,
with no reference to the correct dialect spoken, when accessing both the
Criminal Justice and Health Care systems.
vi Participants disclosed that they did not know what services or help were
available to them.
vii Within the secondary care system, there were complaints (3.2.2.iv) that
the operating procedure was not explained nor aftercare addressed. In one
case, this led to complications and the patient had to be re-admitted via
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3.3.1 Difficulties faced by Service Providers
i Uppermost in the discussion were concerns related to feeling at a
disadvantage due to lack of knowledge in the languages being spoken by
ethnic minority groups. These concerns included: fear of things being lost in
translation between GP, patient, translator. Providers expressed a lack of
confidence in accessing the services due to this disadvantage, when using
interpreters, along with uncertainty as to which interpreters would provide the
most reliable and trustworthy service, community interpreters, or only
professional interpreting services.
ii There was a perception amongst Group B participants that providing the
right level of interpreting provision can be time consuming, and a habit of
over-professionalising everything adds to this.
iii Participants stated that, from a health-care point of view, if a GP does not
flag up the need for a translator when referring to hospital, the hospital will
not be able to prepare. This inevitably leads to a waste of resources, in terms
of both time and (public) money, with appointments needing to be
rearranged and therefore wasted. The opinion in the group was that nobody
benefits from this.
iv The participants expressed awareness of a knowledge gap with regards to
speech therapy in non-English/Welsh speakers, for example after a
stroke/brain trauma.
v Group B participants discussed the critical issues of language requirements
at job centres. This has previously been reported by NWREN in the report,
“It’s Just a Feeling” (2008). There is contemporary evidence of these issues
still commonly occurring. They are aware of difficulties faced by individuals
from ethnic minority communities, not given access to own dialect
interpreters when visiting the Job Centre when trying to explain why they are
unable to work. Group B participants referred to how the Job Centre service
“being an insensitive service already”, becomes at times the focus of a
traumatic experience for ethnic minority elders who, not being able to
articulate the reasons behind their obstacles to work find themselves trapped
in difficult circumstances compounded by lack of financial support. Group B
participants believe there to be a correlation between poverty and not
obtaining what is needed and fulfilling the rights of (ethnic minority elder)
individuals.
vi Group B participants spoke of facing hidden dynamics when considering
interpreting provision – not just those of language, culture and gender
sensitivity but differences of dialect, education, and social class: all factors
which relate to the experience of using interpreters.
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vii There was awareness, amongst Group B participants that frontline staff
members of their organisations are not aware of their organisations’
commitment to the provision of interpreting services and in cases where
frontline staff were aware, there is a lack of knowledge concerning their
professional and fair use.
3.3.2 Suggestions for Improvement
i More work needs to be done to ensure frontline staff in local authority
organisations are aware of the interpreting services available, along with
training in fair and professional conduct when working with interpreters.
Group B participants also felt that more needs to be done to build trust with
interpreting services.
ii Welsh Government must address ESOL provisions, which at present do not
meet the needs of the community and do not fulfill the requirements of the
Well-being of Future Generations (Wales) Bill. There is an opportunity whilst
trying to implement this Act also to facilitate community cohesion and
relations with community and public bodies.
iii “Language and understanding is at the heart of every social issue”: Group
B participants felt that, in order to enable and empower communities, it is
essential that these needs are addressed.
iv With the merging of local authorities and consequent expected cuts to
budgets, there must be protection of translation and language services. Local
authorities must communicate this with third sector organisations to make
sure minority voices do not go unheard.
v Similar levels of patient protection to those given to deaf and visually
impaired individuals, should also be applied to people who experience
language barriers. We should not wait for a High Court case to highlight the
dangers and risks that can occur because of these.
vi There was much evidence of passionate commitment among the Group B
participants to driving forward the issues discussed in their group. However,
they all expressed real fears that, with austerity times and resultant budget
cuts, the number of people remaining in post to progress this work, e.g.
equality and diversity officers/managers, is decreasing every year. It was
claimed that because of cuts, with resultant redundancies or retirements,
those roles are not being re-advertised, leading to fewer equality and diversity
roles remaining in place. With the resultant reliance on Third Sector time-
critical projects, like the MEEA Project, to progress work on these issues,
there were concerns that without sufficient sustainability built in to such
projects, any progress made will be lost and forward movement on the issues
discussed during this survey will dwindle.

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As outlined in the review of the existing literature, there has long been
evidence of a deficiency in the provision of adequate interpreting services for
BME individuals. Even a cursory literature review reveals persistence of such
deficiencies since at least 1994.
Conclusion 1
In the research results above, it is clear that there are indications of a
correlation between lack of access to interpreting provision and risk to health
and well-being. Service providers are aware, at a strategic level, of their duty
of care to provide interpreting services: “Language is not a choice, it is a
need. People do not choose their language or their circumstances”.
(Thomas, 2014)
It was pointed out, by participants from both Group A and B, that there are
many different languages spoken in North Wales and within those languages
there are specific dialects. These dialects are not homogenous. For example:
a translator who speaks Mandarin may not be appropriate for many of the
Chinese dialects, ie; the service user may not understand Mandarin. Similarly,
an interpreter who speaks Brazilian Portuguese would not be appropriate for
a service user speaking European Portuguese. Indeed, throughout Phase 2,
there were many reports of a “one size fits all” approach to interpreting
provision, in terms of dialect, culture and ethnicity of interpreter offered.
Recommendation 1
There is a need to recognise that North Wales, with regard to all populations’
demography, economic makeup and geographical location, is different from
that of South Wales. Distance alone prohibits North Wales from accessing
facilities, resources and benefits that are taken for granted in parts of South
Wales. Sometimes North Wales has to develop more localised solutions. For
instance, in order to facilitate smooth and clear communication at the MEEA
Project Conference, simultaneous translation was required: this involved
procuring the services of interpreters competent in simultaneous translation
of Cantonese and European Portuguese. Due to the complete absence of an
appropriate translation and interpretation service in North Wales, interpreters
had to travel from South Wales, which had obvious financial implications.
Conclusion 2
The experience amongst the Group A participants was that there is little
realisation, on the part of frontline service provision staff, in both Primary and
Secondary Care, that time, translation and outcome are conjoined. It would
appear that this lack of awareness is universally documented across all
statutory sectors in North Wales, with the Group B participants reporting
concerns that their commitment, at strategic level, to the provision of
interpreting services as a duty of care, is not carried out by frontline staff.
4. Conclusions and Recommendations

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With their focus leaning towards the health-care sector, Group A participants
disclosed anecdotal examples of how this manifests at each of the three
critical points of progress through the healthcare system. For example, point
of entry – accessing support and assessment; receiving treatment or support;
lastly, the transition from hospital/health-centre based support to home-based
support or home-based maintenance of any new self-care routine.
Recommendation 2
The above conclusion points to a need for training within and across all levels
of the health-care system. There is a need to develop feasible, economically
practical and appropriate bespoke awareness-raising training solutions
focussing on all aspects across the range of Protected Characteristics as listed
under the Equality Act of 2010 (age; disability; gender reassignment;
marriage and civil partnership; pregnancy and maternity; race; religion and
belief; sex; sexual orientation). It would be worthwhile for all statutory and
voluntary sector organisations across North Wales to explore this possibility.
Conclusion 3
Group A participants reported that, in order to apply for a translation service,
the service user must be able to read and understand written English/Welsh:
participants disclosed that they did not know what services or help were
available to them. (It must be stated that this information is available on
BCUHB website – but only in English and Welsh.)
Recommendation 3
Group A participants asked for multi-language buttons on the BCUHB website,
that would enable service users to make an Application for Interpreting
Provision when they wish to access the health service. The cost of translating
such a small set of instructions into a multitude of languages is small and
would allow service users to progress their enquiry to the next level.
Conclusion 4
Section 2, introducing the participants (p.9), describes the levels of English
proficiency amongst Group A participants as varying greatly. This group
stated during the research, that even though they do speak English, when
they are unwell they naturally prefer to communicate in their first language.
Meanwhile, Group B participants expressed concerns that ESOL provisions do
not meet the needs of the community or the Well-being of Future Generations
(Wales) Bill: it is important to note that whilst this report emphasises a lack of
own dialect interpreting provision, a short-term need, there is also a need, in
the longer-term, for further investment, by the Welsh Government, in
increasing provision amongst BME communities of ESOL classes. This group
felt that such joint commitments would provide opportunities for facilitating
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Recommendation 4
There needs to be a better understanding with regard to the provision of
ESOL classes: in these difficult times, even though ESOL has parity with
Essential Skills training, safeguarding of funding for ESOL classes is essential.
In the case of elders who have joined their families in Wales, there is an
obvious cost implication, with the possible added cognitive disadvantage of
having to learn a new language as an elder. The recommendation is that
provision of ESOL should be reviewed at both regional and Welsh Assembly
Government level. In addition, lack of language skills/fluency is often cited as
a reason for the mentality of ghettoisation or lack of integration.
Conclusion 5
The shortage of interpreters was universally commented upon, which
surprised the agencies who were making their best efforts to meet this need.
In her opening speech, Sally Thomas from BCUHB outlined their current
interpreting provision.
“The Health Board provide interpretation services via a contract with
Wales Interpretation and Translation Service (WITS). The Health
Board have developed a protocol to guide staff using this service.
WITS was created in 2009 following Welsh Assembly Government
supported research. (2007/8) Historically there had been difficulties
in securing high quality and cost efficient linguistic services across
Wales.
The WITS service is designed to provide a "one-stop-shop" to
improve access to public services for people whose first language
may not be English or Welsh. BCUHB reported that staff awareness
of the policy requirement is raised regularly. BCUHB recognise that in
practice interpretation support is not always actioned in a timely
manner: they are working to address this.”
As suggested by BCUHB, their existing ongoing mandatory training is striving
to further strengthen the extent to which equality is understood and
integrated into work across the organisation. Increased engagement with
people with protected characteristics creates a better understanding and can
inform improvements.
Recommendation 5
The disparity between the findings and the activities of agencies (such as the
BCUHB and others) is important data. It illustrates a need for the
development of a generic protocol across agencies to encourage and
empower service users to request interpretation services. As in the case of

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Health, the need was highlighted for increased awareness with General
Practitioners and frontline staff in primary care in ensuring that, together with
service users, the correct language and dialect is identified. (2014)
The North Wales Public Sector Equality Network (NWPSEN) work together to
deliver shared objectives. This forum could provide an excellent forum in
which to address some of these issues.
Conclusion 6
In carrying out this research, we attempted to take an innovative approach
that would challenge the concept of the “one-size fits all” philosophy by
bringing together service users and service providers to discuss difficult issues
that stand on opposite sides of the same coin. What transpired was a clear,
open and honest communication, wherein it was found that the service users’
difficulties reflected the service providers’ worries and concerns.
Recommendation 6
Using and building on this experience of open, honest and clear
communication, we would strongly recommend that the statutory and
voluntary agencies tackle issues of lack of interpretation services in a joined-
up and unified fashion. This would involve all sectors under one united
agenda, with clear agreement on how it will be funded, ensuring that the
issues are informed by the existing expertise within both the voluntary sector
and local communities, for example; establishing a bank of trained community
interpreters from across the region. All present at the conference agreed to
reconvene on 11th
November 2015: further, earlier sessions are urgently
recommended prior to this date to continue dialogue and build on connections
made on 9th
December 2014.
Closing Comments
Crystal (1999) defines dialect as: “A language variety in which the use of
grammar and vocabulary identifies the regional or social background of the
user.” Professor Crystal outlines the different ways in which dialect can
define the speaker: regional dialect “conveys information about the speaker’s
geographical origin; a social dialect conveys information about the speaker’s
class, social status, educational background, occupation or other such
notions.” There are also rural and urban dialects: the point being that
dialect is a broad term which, within itself, holds many possible permutations.
The author of this report considers that this demonstrates the importance,
when giving BME elders language support in North Wales, of providing
appropriate own dialect interpreting services: the overwhelming message
from Group A participants was that “a one-size fits all philosophy is wholly
inappropriate” and indeed has long been out of date.

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