The document discusses various biblical figures and their families, describing fathers and sons who behaved badly, disobeyed, or had troubled relationships. It also discusses Ellen White's parenting of her son Edson, acknowledging some of her parenting mistakes but also holding Edson responsible for his own choices. The document advocates disciplining children and cites biblical passages about honoring parents.

2. Allied soldiers gave us cigarettes I smoked it The little punk of my Cousin Rudi ran home and told my father

4. I wish my father would have been enlightened like modern Fathers who severely punish their children with “ Time Out” – “GO TO YOUR ROOM” I WOUD HAVE SMOKED EVERY DAY !

8. Abraham and Sarah: Liars and immoral relationships. Have obedient son Isaac (Lies to king Abimelech and Pharaoh about his wife. Relations with Hagar)

9. Hannah presents Samuel to Eli the Priest as Hophni and Phinehas look on Hophni Phinehas

13. Edson William Problem Children (mothers boy and rebel) and real stress on marriage

14. Edson Edson William Edson Children frequently left with friends for long periods Ellen: “ Edson why can you not be good like Willie” “ He will always be a burden to us” His dress was flamboyant, and his behavior unpredictable. He was also extravagant with money and showed little interest in spiritual things" ("Legacy of Light," 1998) “ Alternately elated or depressed, happy-go-lucky, living for the moment, and a spendthrift who lacked self-discipline and self-control."(Moon,1993,p.43). “ Edson continued to either flaunt or evade his parent's value system. He loved to dress in expensive clothing, wore a gold watch on a heavy chain, visited a local shooting gallery (which his mother had specifically forbidden), and indulged a passion for reading storybooks. Contrary to his parent's wishes, he borrowed and used firearms (the deed became known when Edson acquired an injury Ellen feared might cost him the use of his hand). (Moon, 1993, p. 50)

15. James: “ Edson has a bad influence on Ellen” She can go to California with her relatives. I will not go. I wait for a radical change “ If mother would not always blame me when Edson abuses me, and would take a firm stand for the right with me. I think I would consent live in the same State where Edson may reside. But until I see a radical change in both Edson and mother” I will go to Texas…Your mother has pursued this course till she has broken me down-soured me. and Edson has here found ground for his course” Gerald Wheeler: James White, 223-228

16. Son Luke Ford : Former Pornography gossip columnist & convert to Judaism Desmond and Luke Desmond Ford, Luke, Paul in April 1990 http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/2001/01/40829 http://www.lukeford.net/archives/updates/011116.htm

17. Mother : “Evenings, she either went out with friends, …We seldom had an evening at home together.” “Sometimes we would sit around in the living room together watching TV. Mom and I would smoke pot , but Falcon couldn’t because of his cystic fibrosis, so she made him cookies, putting in a generous amount of marijuana and hashish ” The Richest Caveman, The Doug Batchelor Story, 7 Father: “He may be one of the oldest swingers…” http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/1999/06/16/52792/batchelor-remains-firmly-married-to-aviation-industry.html “ When I went to visit, I was glad he had a maid and a butler. Often they were all I had by way of companionship. Dad came to breakfast with me each morning, but he generally held a newspaper between us. “ The Richest Caveman, The Doug Batchelor Story, 9

22. Bill Gates’ father flew from Seattle to Boston to warn his son that he would never be a success if he dropped out of college. Bill disobeyed and made his own choice http://www.time.com/time/gates/rebel.html . Bill Gates

26. Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it . Proverbs 22:6 ESV “… bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.” Ephesians 6:4 ESV The rod and reproof give wisdom, but a child left to himself brings shame to his mother. Proverbs 29:15 ESV Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him. Proverbs 13:24 ESV

28. “ I punish children for their parents' sins to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me. Exodus 20:5, GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995) “ He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished, visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generations.“ Exodus 34:7 New American Standard Bible (©1995)

31. Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it . Proverbs 22:6 ESV “… bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.” Ephesians 6:4 ESV The rod and reproof give wisdom, but a child left to himself brings shame to his mother. Proverbs 29:15 ESV Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him. Proverbs 13:24 ESV

32. . Ellen also wrote a letter concerning her parental techniques. She said, " . . . that we had failed in our duty ; we had not restrained them . We had indulged them too much , suffered them to follow their own inclinations and desires , and suffered them to indulged in folly I saw that we should instruct them with sobriety and yet with kindness and patience; taken an even course.“ (J.A. Moon, W.C. White and Ellen G. White, 1993,p.46-47).

34. Goertzel’s research is often supportive of “pushy” parents. Often the best “pushing” is by example

36. Augustine and mother Monica Pushing Rascal Son Augustine to become Greatest Saint of Middle Ages