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Completing The Puzzle
    Mastering the Calusa Script
The Calusa Script - History

• Script originally developed by Dave
  – Trial & Error from own history in sales
• Through the years, refined by Top
  Producers
• Original purpose:
  – Provide a Clear & Concise Roadmap
• Script Revised as Loan Products Evolve




                                              2
Preparing Yourself for the Call

• Arrive to work with enough time to check
  E-mail, return calls, etc.
• Have Product Guidelines & Matrix
  available
• Have a stack of Qualification sheets
• Discontinue any other conversations
• Stop any activity that can be overheard
  by the caller:
  – Eating, chewing gum
• Smile when answering…your voice will
  be more pleasant
                                             3
Using the Script

•   Script Opening     • Thank you for calling Calusa.
                         My name is __________.
                         How may I help you?


• Creating Comfort Levels with Caller
    – Use Full Name to Establish Rapport
• Invitation for Moving Conversation Forward
• Using Clear Opening Enhances Image




                                                     4
Reservation Screen

O.K. Let me confirm some information so that I
  can better answer all of your questions and
  select the best program for you. On your pre-
  approval letter, there is a reservation number.
  It should start with a ‘C’. Great, am I speaking
  with _____? I show your address is _____.


• Confirmation of Information
   – Insinuates you have plenty of information to get
     started with loan process
• You’re in Control of Call
   – Their questions can come later
• “Take an application”: Negative Connotation
                                                        5
Reservation Screen continued

O.K. Let me confirm some information so that I
  can better answer all of your questions and
  select the best program for you. On your pre-
  approval letter, there is a reservation number.
  It should start with a ‘C’. Great, am I speaking
  with _____? I show your address is _____.


• “Best Program”
   – Giving them 2nd Best Program?
   – Challenge: Use “2nd Best Program” to see how many
     loans you close
• “Pre-Approval Letter”
   – Use ‘Your’ to personalize call to their situation
                                                         6
Reservation Screen continued

O.K. Let me confirm some information so that I
  can better answer all of your questions and
  select the best program for you. On your pre-
  approval letter, there is a reservation number.
  It should start with a ‘C’. Great, am I speaking
  with _____? I show your address is _____.


• Not an Interrogation, build rapport
• Objections
   – Don’t stop talking
   – Don’t talk over person
      • Go right back to question you need answered
• Always personalize by using their name
                                                      7
Joint Borrower Screen
• __________, does anyone else own your home with
  you?
• Will they be doing this loan with you? What is
  his/her name?
• What is your social security number? Your date of
  birth?
• What is __________’s social security number? And
  their date of birth?
• What is your home telephone number?
• Do either you or __________ have an E-mail
  address available?
• What is the month and year you purchased your
  home?
• Your home is located in __________ County?
• What is the current value of your home?
• Is it a single family home, condo or mobile home?
• How much did you pay for your home when you
  purchased it?
                                                  8
Joint Borrower /
       Name & Address Screens
• I’m going to update your credit history now.
  While that is updating…
• …the federal government requires us to
  request your race and gender information in
  order to monitor our compliance with fair
  housing, equal credit and home mortgage
  disclosure laws. You are not required to
  furnish this information but are you…(read
  from Integra screen).
   – Ethnicity
   – What is your marital status?
   – Are you a citizen of the United States?
                                                 9
Joint Borrower /
   Name & Address Screens continued
• Social Security Number
   – Make it normal part of compiling information
   – Everyone knows when asking for credit, their credit
     will be pulled
• Section has no ‘Yes’ or ‘No’ type questions
• No telephone number in Integra prior to pulling
  credit
   – Use Qualification sheets to record telephone numbers
     & E-mail addresses
   – Both telephone number & E-mail address must go into
     Integra once credit is pulled
• Must say government verbiage portion prior to
  pulling credit
                                                           10
Joint Borrower /
  Name & Address Screens continued

• Exercise #1
  – Taking control of the call:
     • Calling to ask what your current interest rate is for
       my credit score.


• Exercise #2
  – Overcoming a standard objection:
     • Refusing to give social security number.




                                                           11
Joint Borrower /
   Name & Address Screens continued
• Verbiage for Credit
   – Never use ‘Pulling Credit’, etc.
   – Use ‘Updating Credit’
• Government verbiage gives assurance to caller
   – Tells caller we are complaint
• When asking Ethnicity & Sex, NEVER assume!
   – “I can tell by your last name that you must be
     Hispanic.”
• Marital Status & Citizenship required on all
  loans
• Allow conversation to immediately flow into
  Employment
                                                      12
Employment Screen
•   Who is your current employer?
•   What is your work number?
•   What is your current position?
•   How long have you been with them?
•   What is your gross monthly income?
    – Gross income is your total pay prior to any
      deductions.


• Repeat for Co-borrower
• Must have 2-year work history
• No longer placing call on hold
                                                    13
Asset Screen
•   Now, let’s talk about your savings account
•   How much do you have in your 401K account?
•   How much do you have in stocks and bonds?
•   How much do you have in savings?
•   How much do you have in any other accounts
    like checking?


• Opportunity to iterate to borrower how dire their
  financial situation truly is
• Use voice inflection to be surprised at lack of
  emergency reserve funds

                                                  14
Credit Grading Screen

• Ok, __________, I’m reviewing your credit
  history from the credit reporting agencies. What
  they are saying is that…
   – You’re discussing their payment history. Ask about
     late payments and/or tax liens and judgments

• Example #1:
  You’re payment history is pretty good. But the
  amount owed on your revolving accounts is high
  compared to your available balances. They are
  also indicating that you have to many accounts
  with balances. But that’s probably why you
  called. Let’s go ahead and see what we can do
  for you.


                                                          15
Credit Grading Screen continued
•   Example #1:
    You’re payment history is pretty good. But the amount
    owed on your revolving accounts is high compared to your
    available balances. They are also indicating that you
    have to many accounts with balances. But that’s probably
    why you called. Let’s go ahead and see what we can do
    for you.


• Use Tone & Inflection to stress points
• Be enthusiastic
    – Borrower “Buy-In” begins here
    – They’ll feel confident
    – Gives you psychological advantage
• Pause after, “…why you called.”
                                                          16
Underwriting Disclosure Screen
• I’m showing your current mortgage is with __________,
  with a monthly payment of __________. Is that
  correct? Does that include your taxes and insurance or
  do you pay those separately? How much are your real
  estate taxes per year? How much is your homeowner’s
  insurance per year?

• Now, let’s go over your outstanding debt aside from
  your home. Is there anything that you would like me to
  target for payoff that has a higher interest rate?

• Get taxes & insurance at this point in call
• Confirm both outstanding balance and monthly
  payment
• State each figure in full dollar amounts
   – Confirm caller’s feeling of being overwhelmed by payments
• Online Script: Select Program before Underwriting
  Disclosure
                                                                 17
Underwriting Disclosure Screen continued
• ______, you need to get a pen and piece of
  paper ready because you are going to want to
  write this down. I’m showing your current
  minimum monthly payment on the debts we just
  listed to pay off is _____. Does that sound
  right? How much cash would you like back?
• OK, I’m going to put you on hold while I put your
  loan program together to determine how much
  of a difference this loan is going to make for you.

• Pen & Paper changes call dynamics
   – Caller is being charged with a task
• Recognize how long you have caller on hold
   – Placing call on ‘Mute’ can garner information
                                                     18
Underwriting Disclosure Screen continued

• Exercise #3
   – Placing a caller on hold
      • You’re working the loan, but how long have you left
        your caller on hold?
          – How long does 30 seconds really feel like?




                                                         19
Underwriting Disclosure Screen continued

• __________, I’m back.
  (come back with sincerity…such as WOW – this really
  does make a difference for you.)


• What I can do is consolidate all of the debt you
  want to payoff into a new loan (or loans) with a
  minimum monthly payment of _____. (this may
  or may not include their taxes) This represents
  a payment savings of _____ in your first month
  alone and a payment savings of _____ in your
  first year.


                                                        20
Underwriting Disclosure Screen continued
• Also, since these are simple interest loans,
  anything you pay over the minimum
  monthly payment goes directly towards the
  principle balance, unlike your credit cards.
  Any extra payment you send on your
  credit cards goes first towards the
  compounding interest since your last
  statement, which is why the average
  credit card could take over 25 years to
  pay off. So, if you were to keep paying
  the same amount you have been paying
  on the debts we just listed to pay off of
  $_____, you would have this loan paid
  off in full in just _____ years and _____
  months.
                                             21
Underwriting Disclosure Screen
                     continued


• ALWAYS STRESS SAVINGS!!
• In addition to their yearly savings, equate their
  savings to a raise in income
• Learn wording to allow for a natural flow




                                                      22
Underwriting Disclosure Screen continued

• Everything is included in your loan so
  there are no out of pocket expenses to
  you with the exception of your
  appraisal. The appraisal runs about
  $300. We will take care of ordering this
  for you.

• So, your total loan amount is _____ at
  an interest rate of _____%. We will be
  paying off (list all debts to be paid with the
  amount) plus writing a check to you for
  _____.
                                              23
Closing

• Do you still have that pen and paper handy?
  Great, here are the few items that I need you to
  fax to me. I will need:
   – Copy of your 2005 & 2006 W2 form(s);
   – Copy of last 2 consecutive pay stubs;
   – Copy of your monthly mortgage coupon or
     statement;
   – Copy of your drivers license
   – The name, telephone number and policy number
     for your homeowner’s insurance company.

     Indymac requires two years W2 forms, as per
     guidelines
                                                 24
Closing continued

• My fax number is __________. I will call you
  to let you know I have received your items.
  How soon can you get these items to me?
  (Within 24 hours is what you’re looking
  for.)

• Great! An appraiser will be in touch with you
  within the next 24 hours and I will immediately
  begin the process on your loan. I will be
  sending some information by fax or E-mail.
  Which do you prefer? Great, send this
  information back with your other items and it
  will take me 2 to 3 days to process your loan.

                                                 25
Final Closing

• Once your loan is completed, we will
  have a signing agent contact you to
  schedule a convenient time to get
  together so you can sign your final
  paperwork.

• Now, are there any questions that I did
  not answer for you? O.K., again my
  name is __________. My direct dial toll
  free number is __________. I will be on
  the lookout for your items and look
  forward to handling your financial needs.
                                          26
Alternate Closing – Gordon Ehrlich

So what we need to do is order the
appraisal. It will take 24-48 hours for the
appraiser to call you to schedule the
inspection. They usually run $300-$350 and
you pay him directly as it is your appraisal.
We do not get involved in the financial end
of that transaction. We have to order the
appraisal so that we can be sure it will meet
the underwriting guidelines. In the mean
time, I need you to fax me several items so
that I can do the income calculations and for
the final approval.
                                           27
Alternate Closing – Gordon Ehrlich

Three common responses:

• What do you need me to fax you?
  – Loan is Closed
• Final approval? I’m not already
  approved?
  – You are pre-approved, however the income
    and the value of your home need to be
    documented so we can obtain the final
    approval. There are two variables that need
    to be addressed with a loan: the DTI (Debt to
    Income Ratio), and the LTV (Loan to Value).
                                                28
Alternate Closing – Gordon Ehrlich
• Hold on…I need to speak with my “spouse”
  before we do anything.
   – Of course…I want to make sure everyone involved in
     this process understands your financial situation and
     how this program is going to fix it. I actually prefer to
     have both of you on the phone together so that I can
     answer both of your initial and secondary questions.
     This will allow us to have one fluid conversation, and
     answer all of your questions at the same time. I place
     the order for the appraisal so that we can initiate the
     process to assure my ability to close the loan within
     the next 5-7 business days, which will start your
     savings this month as you will not have a mortgage
     payment next month.
       • Secondary question is one that comes from the answer
         of the initial question.

                                                             29
10 Steps to Success

Opening
1. Take immediate control of conversation
   “Let me confirm some information so I can better answer
   all of your questions.”


Credit Grading
2. Review credit summary
3. Give current monthly payments (all debts
   paying off) and estimated pay-off times.



                                                        30
10 Steps to Success continued

4. Determine how much cash they want back for
   home improvements, debts not listed, etc.
5. Give savings 1st month, year and time savings
   if they continued to pay what they’ve been
   paying.
6. Gain commitment by having them part of the
   process of what will be paid via loan.
7. Review items that have “Tax Deductibility” that
   are included in the loan.
8. Summarize loan. Loan amount, rate, new
   payment, debts paying off and cash back.

                                                 31
10 Steps to Success continued

9. Give your complete contact information.
10. Gain commitment on receiving docs within 24
    hours


•   Build Rapport

•   Be Enthusiastic

•   Gain Commitment


                                                  32

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Completing The Puzzle

  • 1. Completing The Puzzle Mastering the Calusa Script
  • 2. The Calusa Script - History • Script originally developed by Dave – Trial & Error from own history in sales • Through the years, refined by Top Producers • Original purpose: – Provide a Clear & Concise Roadmap • Script Revised as Loan Products Evolve 2
  • 3. Preparing Yourself for the Call • Arrive to work with enough time to check E-mail, return calls, etc. • Have Product Guidelines & Matrix available • Have a stack of Qualification sheets • Discontinue any other conversations • Stop any activity that can be overheard by the caller: – Eating, chewing gum • Smile when answering…your voice will be more pleasant 3
  • 4. Using the Script • Script Opening • Thank you for calling Calusa. My name is __________. How may I help you? • Creating Comfort Levels with Caller – Use Full Name to Establish Rapport • Invitation for Moving Conversation Forward • Using Clear Opening Enhances Image 4
  • 5. Reservation Screen O.K. Let me confirm some information so that I can better answer all of your questions and select the best program for you. On your pre- approval letter, there is a reservation number. It should start with a ‘C’. Great, am I speaking with _____? I show your address is _____. • Confirmation of Information – Insinuates you have plenty of information to get started with loan process • You’re in Control of Call – Their questions can come later • “Take an application”: Negative Connotation 5
  • 6. Reservation Screen continued O.K. Let me confirm some information so that I can better answer all of your questions and select the best program for you. On your pre- approval letter, there is a reservation number. It should start with a ‘C’. Great, am I speaking with _____? I show your address is _____. • “Best Program” – Giving them 2nd Best Program? – Challenge: Use “2nd Best Program” to see how many loans you close • “Pre-Approval Letter” – Use ‘Your’ to personalize call to their situation 6
  • 7. Reservation Screen continued O.K. Let me confirm some information so that I can better answer all of your questions and select the best program for you. On your pre- approval letter, there is a reservation number. It should start with a ‘C’. Great, am I speaking with _____? I show your address is _____. • Not an Interrogation, build rapport • Objections – Don’t stop talking – Don’t talk over person • Go right back to question you need answered • Always personalize by using their name 7
  • 8. Joint Borrower Screen • __________, does anyone else own your home with you? • Will they be doing this loan with you? What is his/her name? • What is your social security number? Your date of birth? • What is __________’s social security number? And their date of birth? • What is your home telephone number? • Do either you or __________ have an E-mail address available? • What is the month and year you purchased your home? • Your home is located in __________ County? • What is the current value of your home? • Is it a single family home, condo or mobile home? • How much did you pay for your home when you purchased it? 8
  • 9. Joint Borrower / Name & Address Screens • I’m going to update your credit history now. While that is updating… • …the federal government requires us to request your race and gender information in order to monitor our compliance with fair housing, equal credit and home mortgage disclosure laws. You are not required to furnish this information but are you…(read from Integra screen). – Ethnicity – What is your marital status? – Are you a citizen of the United States? 9
  • 10. Joint Borrower / Name & Address Screens continued • Social Security Number – Make it normal part of compiling information – Everyone knows when asking for credit, their credit will be pulled • Section has no ‘Yes’ or ‘No’ type questions • No telephone number in Integra prior to pulling credit – Use Qualification sheets to record telephone numbers & E-mail addresses – Both telephone number & E-mail address must go into Integra once credit is pulled • Must say government verbiage portion prior to pulling credit 10
  • 11. Joint Borrower / Name & Address Screens continued • Exercise #1 – Taking control of the call: • Calling to ask what your current interest rate is for my credit score. • Exercise #2 – Overcoming a standard objection: • Refusing to give social security number. 11
  • 12. Joint Borrower / Name & Address Screens continued • Verbiage for Credit – Never use ‘Pulling Credit’, etc. – Use ‘Updating Credit’ • Government verbiage gives assurance to caller – Tells caller we are complaint • When asking Ethnicity & Sex, NEVER assume! – “I can tell by your last name that you must be Hispanic.” • Marital Status & Citizenship required on all loans • Allow conversation to immediately flow into Employment 12
  • 13. Employment Screen • Who is your current employer? • What is your work number? • What is your current position? • How long have you been with them? • What is your gross monthly income? – Gross income is your total pay prior to any deductions. • Repeat for Co-borrower • Must have 2-year work history • No longer placing call on hold 13
  • 14. Asset Screen • Now, let’s talk about your savings account • How much do you have in your 401K account? • How much do you have in stocks and bonds? • How much do you have in savings? • How much do you have in any other accounts like checking? • Opportunity to iterate to borrower how dire their financial situation truly is • Use voice inflection to be surprised at lack of emergency reserve funds 14
  • 15. Credit Grading Screen • Ok, __________, I’m reviewing your credit history from the credit reporting agencies. What they are saying is that… – You’re discussing their payment history. Ask about late payments and/or tax liens and judgments • Example #1: You’re payment history is pretty good. But the amount owed on your revolving accounts is high compared to your available balances. They are also indicating that you have to many accounts with balances. But that’s probably why you called. Let’s go ahead and see what we can do for you. 15
  • 16. Credit Grading Screen continued • Example #1: You’re payment history is pretty good. But the amount owed on your revolving accounts is high compared to your available balances. They are also indicating that you have to many accounts with balances. But that’s probably why you called. Let’s go ahead and see what we can do for you. • Use Tone & Inflection to stress points • Be enthusiastic – Borrower “Buy-In” begins here – They’ll feel confident – Gives you psychological advantage • Pause after, “…why you called.” 16
  • 17. Underwriting Disclosure Screen • I’m showing your current mortgage is with __________, with a monthly payment of __________. Is that correct? Does that include your taxes and insurance or do you pay those separately? How much are your real estate taxes per year? How much is your homeowner’s insurance per year? • Now, let’s go over your outstanding debt aside from your home. Is there anything that you would like me to target for payoff that has a higher interest rate? • Get taxes & insurance at this point in call • Confirm both outstanding balance and monthly payment • State each figure in full dollar amounts – Confirm caller’s feeling of being overwhelmed by payments • Online Script: Select Program before Underwriting Disclosure 17
  • 18. Underwriting Disclosure Screen continued • ______, you need to get a pen and piece of paper ready because you are going to want to write this down. I’m showing your current minimum monthly payment on the debts we just listed to pay off is _____. Does that sound right? How much cash would you like back? • OK, I’m going to put you on hold while I put your loan program together to determine how much of a difference this loan is going to make for you. • Pen & Paper changes call dynamics – Caller is being charged with a task • Recognize how long you have caller on hold – Placing call on ‘Mute’ can garner information 18
  • 19. Underwriting Disclosure Screen continued • Exercise #3 – Placing a caller on hold • You’re working the loan, but how long have you left your caller on hold? – How long does 30 seconds really feel like? 19
  • 20. Underwriting Disclosure Screen continued • __________, I’m back. (come back with sincerity…such as WOW – this really does make a difference for you.) • What I can do is consolidate all of the debt you want to payoff into a new loan (or loans) with a minimum monthly payment of _____. (this may or may not include their taxes) This represents a payment savings of _____ in your first month alone and a payment savings of _____ in your first year. 20
  • 21. Underwriting Disclosure Screen continued • Also, since these are simple interest loans, anything you pay over the minimum monthly payment goes directly towards the principle balance, unlike your credit cards. Any extra payment you send on your credit cards goes first towards the compounding interest since your last statement, which is why the average credit card could take over 25 years to pay off. So, if you were to keep paying the same amount you have been paying on the debts we just listed to pay off of $_____, you would have this loan paid off in full in just _____ years and _____ months. 21
  • 22. Underwriting Disclosure Screen continued • ALWAYS STRESS SAVINGS!! • In addition to their yearly savings, equate their savings to a raise in income • Learn wording to allow for a natural flow 22
  • 23. Underwriting Disclosure Screen continued • Everything is included in your loan so there are no out of pocket expenses to you with the exception of your appraisal. The appraisal runs about $300. We will take care of ordering this for you. • So, your total loan amount is _____ at an interest rate of _____%. We will be paying off (list all debts to be paid with the amount) plus writing a check to you for _____. 23
  • 24. Closing • Do you still have that pen and paper handy? Great, here are the few items that I need you to fax to me. I will need: – Copy of your 2005 & 2006 W2 form(s); – Copy of last 2 consecutive pay stubs; – Copy of your monthly mortgage coupon or statement; – Copy of your drivers license – The name, telephone number and policy number for your homeowner’s insurance company. Indymac requires two years W2 forms, as per guidelines 24
  • 25. Closing continued • My fax number is __________. I will call you to let you know I have received your items. How soon can you get these items to me? (Within 24 hours is what you’re looking for.) • Great! An appraiser will be in touch with you within the next 24 hours and I will immediately begin the process on your loan. I will be sending some information by fax or E-mail. Which do you prefer? Great, send this information back with your other items and it will take me 2 to 3 days to process your loan. 25
  • 26. Final Closing • Once your loan is completed, we will have a signing agent contact you to schedule a convenient time to get together so you can sign your final paperwork. • Now, are there any questions that I did not answer for you? O.K., again my name is __________. My direct dial toll free number is __________. I will be on the lookout for your items and look forward to handling your financial needs. 26
  • 27. Alternate Closing – Gordon Ehrlich So what we need to do is order the appraisal. It will take 24-48 hours for the appraiser to call you to schedule the inspection. They usually run $300-$350 and you pay him directly as it is your appraisal. We do not get involved in the financial end of that transaction. We have to order the appraisal so that we can be sure it will meet the underwriting guidelines. In the mean time, I need you to fax me several items so that I can do the income calculations and for the final approval. 27
  • 28. Alternate Closing – Gordon Ehrlich Three common responses: • What do you need me to fax you? – Loan is Closed • Final approval? I’m not already approved? – You are pre-approved, however the income and the value of your home need to be documented so we can obtain the final approval. There are two variables that need to be addressed with a loan: the DTI (Debt to Income Ratio), and the LTV (Loan to Value). 28
  • 29. Alternate Closing – Gordon Ehrlich • Hold on…I need to speak with my “spouse” before we do anything. – Of course…I want to make sure everyone involved in this process understands your financial situation and how this program is going to fix it. I actually prefer to have both of you on the phone together so that I can answer both of your initial and secondary questions. This will allow us to have one fluid conversation, and answer all of your questions at the same time. I place the order for the appraisal so that we can initiate the process to assure my ability to close the loan within the next 5-7 business days, which will start your savings this month as you will not have a mortgage payment next month. • Secondary question is one that comes from the answer of the initial question. 29
  • 30. 10 Steps to Success Opening 1. Take immediate control of conversation “Let me confirm some information so I can better answer all of your questions.” Credit Grading 2. Review credit summary 3. Give current monthly payments (all debts paying off) and estimated pay-off times. 30
  • 31. 10 Steps to Success continued 4. Determine how much cash they want back for home improvements, debts not listed, etc. 5. Give savings 1st month, year and time savings if they continued to pay what they’ve been paying. 6. Gain commitment by having them part of the process of what will be paid via loan. 7. Review items that have “Tax Deductibility” that are included in the loan. 8. Summarize loan. Loan amount, rate, new payment, debts paying off and cash back. 31
  • 32. 10 Steps to Success continued 9. Give your complete contact information. 10. Gain commitment on receiving docs within 24 hours • Build Rapport • Be Enthusiastic • Gain Commitment 32