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The best
architectures,
requirements,
and designs 

emerge from
self-organizing
teams.
Blog: LeanArch.eu
Most popular post:
“Do Agile teams need PSA documents? Well, no!”
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“Yeah, but this is
pure Agile”
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“1. Organizations are implicitly optimized to avoid changing the status
quo middle- and first-level manager and “specialist” positions & power
structures.
2. As a corollary to (1), any change initiative will be reduced to
redefining or overloading the new terminology to mean basically the
same as status quo.
3. As a corollary to (1), any change initiative will be derided as “purist”,
“theoretical”, “revolutionary”, "religion", and “needing pragmatic
customization for local concerns” — which deflects from addressing
weaknesses and manager/specialist status quo.
4. Culture follows structure.”
Larman's Laws of
Organizational Behavior
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Deliver always the highest business value / the most important
Business Agility: Turn on a dime for a dime
Optimising goals
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Architecture has become a thing
Euhm,
what?
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Agile has become a thing
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A brain can handle only one pattern
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Software
(Agile)
Enterprise
Architecture
Software
Architecture
Product
(Agile)
Software
Architecture
Agile Project
Management
Project
Scrum of
Scrums
Scrum
Microservices
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“adopted <famous scaling
framework> of 2000 people
…and business didn’t
notice any difference”
Email this morning from an agile
coach in a large bank and
“successful agile transformation”
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Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu
“Our highest priority is to satisfy the
customer

through early and continuous delivery

of valuable software”
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So, less is more
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What is a product?
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What is a product?
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Product with small
definition has a
shorter lifespan
Product with
broad definition
evolves
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Backlog Item 1
Backlog Item 2
...
Comp A
Team
Comp B
Team
Comp
C
Team
Analyst System
Engineer
System
Testers
Iteration 1 Iteration 2
(probably later)
Iterations 3-5
(probably later
and more)
At least
iteration 6
(probably later)
Item 1
requirement
details
for Item 1
'backlog' by
component
not all teams start Item
1 at the same iteration;
they are multitasking
on multiple features system testers
cannot start
immediately on
Item 1; they are
multitasking on
multiple features
not available
until the analyst
is finished
Analysis
Design
Implementation
Test
Component teams lead to a sequential life cycle with handoff, queues, and
single-specialist groups and not true cross-functional teams without handoff.
code
www.craiglarman.com
www.odd-e.com
Copyright © 2010
C.Larman & B. Vodde
All rights reserved.
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Nothing
File / Class
Sub System
Whole Product
Whole System
PotentialTechnologyworkscopeinsidetheteam
Activity (function) inside the team.
Degree of cross-functionality
Code + Design and
Unit Test
+ Analysis
and System Test
+ Co-creation
Traditional
Component Teams
Ideal state!
Hard to
achieve, good
to work
towards
Feature
Teams
Component
Problem
Extended Component Teams
Conflict in scope in the team
leading to duplication or
additional coordination work
Functional
overspecialisation
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More then 8 teams, 1 product
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Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu
So, what about
• Continuous value creation over projects
• Whole product focus over program management
• Broader product definition over fake portfolio management
• Real portfolio management is collaboration between Product Owners
• Enterprise Architecture…..eh :-)
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Amazon
1. All teams will henceforth expose their data and functionality through service
interfaces.
2. Teams must communicate with each other through these interfaces.
3. There will be no other form of interprocess communication allowed: no direct
linking, no direct reads of another team's data store, no shared-memory model,
no back-doors whatsoever. The only communication allowed is via service
interface calls over the network.
4. It doesn't matter what technology they use. HTTP, Corba, Pubsub, custom
protocols -- doesn't matter. Bezos doesn't care.
5. All service interfaces, without exception, must be designed from the ground up
to be externalizable. That is to say, the team must plan and design to be able to
expose the interface to developers in the outside world. No exceptions.
6. Anyone who doesn't do this will be fired.
36
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Scaling Lean & Agile
Development
Thinking and Organizational Tools
for Large-Scale Scrum
Craig Larman
Bas Vodde
Practices for
Scaling Lean & Agile
Development
Large, Multisite, and Offshore Products
with Large-Scale Scrum
Craig Larman
Bas Vodde
Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu
less.works
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Bigger product is better - Viktor Grgric

  • 2. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu 2 The best architectures, requirements, and designs 
 emerge from self-organizing teams. Blog: LeanArch.eu Most popular post: “Do Agile teams need PSA documents? Well, no!”
  • 3. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu 3 “Yeah, but this is pure Agile”
  • 4. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu 4 “1. Organizations are implicitly optimized to avoid changing the status quo middle- and first-level manager and “specialist” positions & power structures. 2. As a corollary to (1), any change initiative will be reduced to redefining or overloading the new terminology to mean basically the same as status quo. 3. As a corollary to (1), any change initiative will be derided as “purist”, “theoretical”, “revolutionary”, "religion", and “needing pragmatic customization for local concerns” — which deflects from addressing weaknesses and manager/specialist status quo. 4. Culture follows structure.” Larman's Laws of Organizational Behavior
  • 5. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu 5 Deliver always the highest business value / the most important Business Agility: Turn on a dime for a dime Optimising goals
  • 6. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu 6
  • 7. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu 7 Architecture has become a thing Euhm, what?
  • 8. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu 8 Agile has become a thing
  • 9. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu 9
  • 10. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu 10
  • 11. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu 11
  • 12. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu 12 A brain can handle only one pattern
  • 13. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu 13
  • 14. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu 14
  • 15. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu 15 Software (Agile) Enterprise Architecture Software Architecture Product (Agile) Software Architecture Agile Project Management Project Scrum of Scrums Scrum Microservices
  • 16. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu 16
  • 17. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu 17 “adopted <famous scaling framework> of 2000 people …and business didn’t notice any difference” Email this morning from an agile coach in a large bank and “successful agile transformation”
  • 18. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu 18
  • 19. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu “Our highest priority is to satisfy the customer
 through early and continuous delivery
 of valuable software” 19
  • 20. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu So, less is more 20
  • 21. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu What is a product? 21
  • 22. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu What is a product? 22
  • 23. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu 23 Product with small definition has a shorter lifespan Product with broad definition evolves
  • 24. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu 24
  • 25. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu 25
  • 26. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu 26
  • 27. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu 27
  • 28. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu 28 Backlog Item 1 Backlog Item 2 ... Comp A Team Comp B Team Comp C Team Analyst System Engineer System Testers Iteration 1 Iteration 2 (probably later) Iterations 3-5 (probably later and more) At least iteration 6 (probably later) Item 1 requirement details for Item 1 'backlog' by component not all teams start Item 1 at the same iteration; they are multitasking on multiple features system testers cannot start immediately on Item 1; they are multitasking on multiple features not available until the analyst is finished Analysis Design Implementation Test Component teams lead to a sequential life cycle with handoff, queues, and single-specialist groups and not true cross-functional teams without handoff. code www.craiglarman.com www.odd-e.com Copyright © 2010 C.Larman & B. Vodde All rights reserved.
  • 29. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu 29
  • 30. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu 30 Nothing File / Class Sub System Whole Product Whole System PotentialTechnologyworkscopeinsidetheteam Activity (function) inside the team. Degree of cross-functionality Code + Design and Unit Test + Analysis and System Test + Co-creation Traditional Component Teams Ideal state! Hard to achieve, good to work towards Feature Teams Component Problem Extended Component Teams Conflict in scope in the team leading to duplication or additional coordination work Functional overspecialisation
  • 31. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu 31
  • 32. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu 32
  • 33. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu 33 More then 8 teams, 1 product
  • 34. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu 34
  • 35. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu So, what about • Continuous value creation over projects • Whole product focus over program management • Broader product definition over fake portfolio management • Real portfolio management is collaboration between Product Owners • Enterprise Architecture…..eh :-) 35
  • 36. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu Amazon 1. All teams will henceforth expose their data and functionality through service interfaces. 2. Teams must communicate with each other through these interfaces. 3. There will be no other form of interprocess communication allowed: no direct linking, no direct reads of another team's data store, no shared-memory model, no back-doors whatsoever. The only communication allowed is via service interface calls over the network. 4. It doesn't matter what technology they use. HTTP, Corba, Pubsub, custom protocols -- doesn't matter. Bezos doesn't care. 5. All service interfaces, without exception, must be designed from the ground up to be externalizable. That is to say, the team must plan and design to be able to expose the interface to developers in the outside world. No exceptions. 6. Anyone who doesn't do this will be fired. 36
  • 37. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu 37 Scaling Lean & Agile Development Thinking and Organizational Tools for Large-Scale Scrum Craig Larman Bas Vodde Practices for Scaling Lean & Agile Development Large, Multisite, and Offshore Products with Large-Scale Scrum Craig Larman Bas Vodde
  • 38. Viktor Grgic @vgrgic Odd-e Hong Kong Ltd. odd-e.com leanarch.eu less.works 38