This presentation was given at the Samsung bada Orange Partner event in West London on May 5, 2011. It introduces the bada ecosystem and gives an overview over the core elements. Find more info on the bada developer site http://developer.bada.com/
Entering the world of Samsung developer ecosystemRIA RUI Society
The Samsung Ecosystem supports you at every stage of the development process. When your app is ready to go live, why not take advantage of our localization support and present your app to a global market?
This session will focus on various Web Services APIs offered by Google, AWS, Yahoo, Facebook, Twitter, Bing, etc for usage by various Mobile Apps and their UI/UX consistency in relation to the platform UI (like Android, Windows Phone 8, Bada, etc.). The session also covers various game development engines like Unity3D, UDK, XNA, Corona, etc and how it compares to native game development on popular platforms.
In this "appbundant" world, it's very easy miss out on higher or additional channels of revenue due to a few trivial details. Ashay will talk about 5 key secrets that will help you increase the revenue your apps generate.
User experience - Why the mobile space is importantRIA RUI Society
This session will focus on why UX is more important in mobile space than desktop software, and best practices for making sure that your application provides a compelling user experience.
Presentation given at the Samsung bada Orange partner event held in London on May 5th 2011.
This presentation explains how to apply your knowledge of other mobile platforms to bada.
Entering the world of Samsung developer ecosystemRIA RUI Society
The Samsung Ecosystem supports you at every stage of the development process. When your app is ready to go live, why not take advantage of our localization support and present your app to a global market?
This session will focus on various Web Services APIs offered by Google, AWS, Yahoo, Facebook, Twitter, Bing, etc for usage by various Mobile Apps and their UI/UX consistency in relation to the platform UI (like Android, Windows Phone 8, Bada, etc.). The session also covers various game development engines like Unity3D, UDK, XNA, Corona, etc and how it compares to native game development on popular platforms.
In this "appbundant" world, it's very easy miss out on higher or additional channels of revenue due to a few trivial details. Ashay will talk about 5 key secrets that will help you increase the revenue your apps generate.
User experience - Why the mobile space is importantRIA RUI Society
This session will focus on why UX is more important in mobile space than desktop software, and best practices for making sure that your application provides a compelling user experience.
Presentation given at the Samsung bada Orange partner event held in London on May 5th 2011.
This presentation explains how to apply your knowledge of other mobile platforms to bada.
bada platform & Samsung’s multi-platform strategy [IndicThreads Mobile Appli...IndicThreads
Session Presented at 1st IndicThreads.com Conference On Mobile Application Development held on 19-20 November 2010 in Pune, India
WEB: http://M10.IndicThreads.com
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Speaker: Venkata Ratnam V
Abstract:
This session begins with an overview of Samsung’s multi-platform strategy – the reasons for treading on multiple platforms, the need for ‘bada’ and the positioning of different platforms among the Samsung devices. The session would then extend into a detailed overview of the bada platform, its capabilities, its unique features viz., integrated social networking services, commerce framework, storage services, in-app purchases etc. The session would end with a note on the potential of bada platform, the process of application submission, certification etc with a demo of the top bada apps in India.
MeeGo is a Linux-based open source mobile operating system which is designed to act as an operating system for hardware platforms such as mobile phones, net books, tablets, connected TVs and in-vehicle infotainment system.
It was first announced at Mobile world Congress in Feb 2010 by Intel and Nokia in joint press conference.
The stated aim is to merge the efforts of Intel's Moblin and Nokia's Maemo former projects into one new common project. i.e. “MeeGo”
MeeGo is a Linux-based open source mobile operating system which is designed to act as an operating system for hardware platforms such as mobile phones, net books, tablets, connected TVs and in-vehicle infotainment system.
It was first announced at Mobile world Congress in Feb 2010 by Intel and Nokia in joint press conference.
The stated aim is to merge the efforts of Intel's Moblin and Nokia's Maemo former projects into one new common project. i.e. “MeeGo”
MeeGo is a Linux-based open source mobile operating system which is designed to act as an operating system for hardware platforms such as mobile phones, net books, tablets, connected TVs and in-vehicle infotainment system.
It was first announced at Mobile world Congress in Feb 2010 by Intel and Nokia in joint press conference.
The stated aim is to merge the efforts of Intel's Moblin and Nokia's Maemo former projects into one new common project. i.e. “MeeGo”
Each month, join us as we highlight and discuss hot topics ranging from the future of higher education to wearable technology, best productivity hacks and secrets to hiring top talent. Upload your SlideShares, and share your expertise with the world!
bada platform & Samsung’s multi-platform strategy [IndicThreads Mobile Appli...IndicThreads
Session Presented at 1st IndicThreads.com Conference On Mobile Application Development held on 19-20 November 2010 in Pune, India
WEB: http://M10.IndicThreads.com
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Speaker: Venkata Ratnam V
Abstract:
This session begins with an overview of Samsung’s multi-platform strategy – the reasons for treading on multiple platforms, the need for ‘bada’ and the positioning of different platforms among the Samsung devices. The session would then extend into a detailed overview of the bada platform, its capabilities, its unique features viz., integrated social networking services, commerce framework, storage services, in-app purchases etc. The session would end with a note on the potential of bada platform, the process of application submission, certification etc with a demo of the top bada apps in India.
MeeGo is a Linux-based open source mobile operating system which is designed to act as an operating system for hardware platforms such as mobile phones, net books, tablets, connected TVs and in-vehicle infotainment system.
It was first announced at Mobile world Congress in Feb 2010 by Intel and Nokia in joint press conference.
The stated aim is to merge the efforts of Intel's Moblin and Nokia's Maemo former projects into one new common project. i.e. “MeeGo”
MeeGo is a Linux-based open source mobile operating system which is designed to act as an operating system for hardware platforms such as mobile phones, net books, tablets, connected TVs and in-vehicle infotainment system.
It was first announced at Mobile world Congress in Feb 2010 by Intel and Nokia in joint press conference.
The stated aim is to merge the efforts of Intel's Moblin and Nokia's Maemo former projects into one new common project. i.e. “MeeGo”
MeeGo is a Linux-based open source mobile operating system which is designed to act as an operating system for hardware platforms such as mobile phones, net books, tablets, connected TVs and in-vehicle infotainment system.
It was first announced at Mobile world Congress in Feb 2010 by Intel and Nokia in joint press conference.
The stated aim is to merge the efforts of Intel's Moblin and Nokia's Maemo former projects into one new common project. i.e. “MeeGo”
Each month, join us as we highlight and discuss hot topics ranging from the future of higher education to wearable technology, best productivity hacks and secrets to hiring top talent. Upload your SlideShares, and share your expertise with the world!
Vodafone Developer Day - Sheffield 3rd March 2010Screen Yorkshire
Vodafone Developer Day - North.
Screen Yorkshire hosted developer day that took place in Electric Works Sheffield on 3rd March 2010. Opportunity for people to engage with Vodafone on the app and widget development with their platform.
Webcast Pro integrates functionality and event management to ensure success of your small to large-scale webcasts from start to finish. The most complete solution for enterprise webinars. Live, On-Demand, small to large and everything in between.
Virtual, viral and visual marketing for a high-profile product launch. Social media and traditional outreach integration during pre-launch and launch to drive registrations and page visits.
Independent of the source of data, the integration of event streams into an Enterprise Architecture gets more and more important in the world of sensors, social media streams and Internet of Things. Events have to be accepted quickly and reliably, they have to be distributed and analyzed, often with many consumers or systems interested in all or part of the events. Dependent on the size and quantity of such events, this can quickly be in the range of Big Data. How can we efficiently collect and transmit these events? How can we make sure that we can always report over historical events? How can these new events be integrated into traditional infrastructure and application landscape?
Starting with a product and technology neutral reference architecture, we will then present different solutions using Open Source frameworks and the Oracle Stack both for on premises as well as the cloud.
Microsoft's Joe Belfiore (Vice President, eHome division) hosts this overview of your options for boosting revenues by building "sticky" experiences that follow the user outside the browser, into the living room and on the go. Some of the specific technologies that will be discussed include: RSS, the Windows Sidebar, Office "12", Windows Mobile™ and Windows Media Center/Xbox 360.
NFC technology has arrived in the mainstream. Many people associate contactless with payment or the replacement of a QR code. But there are many more interesting applications, especially when NFC and security are combined. We will illustrate this with practical use case examples from around the world from diverse industry verticals, such as anti-counterfeiting, home healthcare and enterprise access control, while also highlighting some of the challenges of deploying NFC at scale into fixed infrastructure.
Having led some of the largest implementations in the world, we are excited to be joined by HID Global and Cubic Transportation Systems for this presentation.
Key takeaways from this presentation will be to gain:
-A better understanding of how NFC technology is streamlining operations
-Insights into how NFC technology is improving the user experience
-Firsthand information from use case examples on the challenges and success of global NFC deployments including Digital Wallets
Video production in the cloud for live streamingPaul Richards
Isn’t it incredible when when we can see technology trends repeat themselves in a matter a few years? It feels like Cisco just put the final nail in the video conferencing codec coffin a few months ago, officially ended by the stellar growth in cloud based video meeting software. Just last week in Season 2, Episode 5 of our live streaming show we interviewed what I believe to be the very first cloud based video production software built for the live streaming market. As many of us are aware the shift to the cloud has meant major change and opportunity for businesses around the world. In this article, I will review and predict what the next generation of live streaming software in the cloud has to offer.
It’s amazing what can be done in the cloud these days! In our December 2nd live show I interviewed, Philippe Laurent, CEO of EasyLive. Laurent has finally brought video production into the ever powerful cloud with the new EasyLive SaaS platform! Built from the ground up as a cloud based application EasyLive allows teams from around the world to easily access the same live video production interface. The full YouTube live interview is embedded below (you can skip to minute 7 to watch the live demo only).
Backgrounded on Rococo Software including three product areas:
- Java/Bluetooth and JSR82
- Bluetooth in the Browser with BONDI / WAC / JIL
- Social Proximity Framework : LocalSocial
SAP TechED 2015- Las Vegas. OEM Partners – Innovation Agenda: Internet of Thi...SAP OEM
Discover SAP TechEd Las Vegas - Oct 19-23 . Check out the premier SAP tech conference – created expressly for developers, engineers, and technologists. For OEM Partners find out all the relevant Internet of Things ( IoT ) sessions you MUST attend this TechED .
The Modern Tech Stack: Microservices - The Dark SideAggregage
A few years ago, Barclays embarked on a journey to migrate its legacy services to a modern tech stack with the objective of achieving a high level of scale, resilience, and reliability. During the incremental, iterative move towards an ecosystem of focused, distributed services, it’s fair to say that the company discovered the challenges of distributing objects. Join us for an episode you can’t miss if you’re finding it a lot harder to architect in practice than in theory, and learn how you can shed light on the dark side of microservices.
Five Elements of Software Engineering for Mobile3scale.net
I presented five elements of software engineering for mobile that IMHO increase the chance of success to Computing students at Imperial College.
These five elements are:
1. Make the technical platform choices right for your context
2. Get the UX right
3. Choose the right methodologies in the areas of building a business, customer development and product development
4. Enrich the functionality of your app integrating Web APIs
5. Leverage the power of tools (rather than reinventing the wheel)
I started a write-up of this talk. Find it here:
http://www.3scale.net/2014/04/five-elements-software-engineering-mobile-part-1/
AppsWorld: Panel discussion about Mobile Operator API Strategies3scale.net
These are the slides I used during the "Mobile Operator API Strategy" panel at AppsWorld (Oct 22, 2013).
Find more details on http://manfredbo.tumblr.com
Carrier API Strategy: How Carriers could gain (back) Developer Mindshare3scale.net
This presentation is entitled "Cross-Operator Federation of Customizable Network APIs" and introduces the OneAPI Exchange which is an infrastructure doing exactly this.
The intention of this talk is to present an API strategy that should allow mobile network operators (aka carriers) to expose their unique assets across operator boundaries.
The benefit for a developer is that s/he only needs to set up one relationship with one operator but can increase reach to all customers of the other operators.
This could be a strategy for operators to increase relevance in the API and mobile app world and to gain back developer mindshare.
I gave this presentation at the SDP Global Summit (http://sdpsummit.com/) on September 19, 2013 in Rome. The targeted audience is carriers and vendor or IT solution providers to carriers. SDP stands for service delivery platform and basically is a more or less sophisticated API management gateway. (Some might argue it is much more than that but this is what I focus on.)
AiRaid is an Augmented Reality app for the Samsung bada platform. You can get the app for free from the Samsung Apps store: http://bit.ly/iRGMKc
Get more info on the Samsung Mobile Innovator blog: http://s-a-m-m-i.blogspot.com
Mobile Software Engineering (at University of Cambridge Wednesday Seminars)3scale.net
The talk gave an insight into characteristics and challenges in software engineering of mobile apps from a more industrial perspective. A model for mobile software engineering was discussed and various best-practices proposed. Essential mobile software engineering techniques, such as experience prototyping, in-context requirement gathering (and testing), or UI/UIX design were explained using examples, case studies from real-world projects, and tools.
GDG Cloud Southlake #33: Boule & Rebala: Effective AppSec in SDLC using Deplo...James Anderson
Effective Application Security in Software Delivery lifecycle using Deployment Firewall and DBOM
The modern software delivery process (or the CI/CD process) includes many tools, distributed teams, open-source code, and cloud platforms. Constant focus on speed to release software to market, along with the traditional slow and manual security checks has caused gaps in continuous security as an important piece in the software supply chain. Today organizations feel more susceptible to external and internal cyber threats due to the vast attack surface in their applications supply chain and the lack of end-to-end governance and risk management.
The software team must secure its software delivery process to avoid vulnerability and security breaches. This needs to be achieved with existing tool chains and without extensive rework of the delivery processes. This talk will present strategies and techniques for providing visibility into the true risk of the existing vulnerabilities, preventing the introduction of security issues in the software, resolving vulnerabilities in production environments quickly, and capturing the deployment bill of materials (DBOM).
Speakers:
Bob Boule
Robert Boule is a technology enthusiast with PASSION for technology and making things work along with a knack for helping others understand how things work. He comes with around 20 years of solution engineering experience in application security, software continuous delivery, and SaaS platforms. He is known for his dynamic presentations in CI/CD and application security integrated in software delivery lifecycle.
Gopinath Rebala
Gopinath Rebala is the CTO of OpsMx, where he has overall responsibility for the machine learning and data processing architectures for Secure Software Delivery. Gopi also has a strong connection with our customers, leading design and architecture for strategic implementations. Gopi is a frequent speaker and well-known leader in continuous delivery and integrating security into software delivery.
Let's dive deeper into the world of ODC! Ricardo Alves (OutSystems) will join us to tell all about the new Data Fabric. After that, Sezen de Bruijn (OutSystems) will get into the details on how to best design a sturdy architecture within ODC.
Transcript: Selling digital books in 2024: Insights from industry leaders - T...BookNet Canada
The publishing industry has been selling digital audiobooks and ebooks for over a decade and has found its groove. What’s changed? What has stayed the same? Where do we go from here? Join a group of leading sales peers from across the industry for a conversation about the lessons learned since the popularization of digital books, best practices, digital book supply chain management, and more.
Link to video recording: https://bnctechforum.ca/sessions/selling-digital-books-in-2024-insights-from-industry-leaders/
Presented by BookNet Canada on May 28, 2024, with support from the Department of Canadian Heritage.
Software Delivery At the Speed of AI: Inflectra Invests In AI-Powered QualityInflectra
In this insightful webinar, Inflectra explores how artificial intelligence (AI) is transforming software development and testing. Discover how AI-powered tools are revolutionizing every stage of the software development lifecycle (SDLC), from design and prototyping to testing, deployment, and monitoring.
Learn about:
• The Future of Testing: How AI is shifting testing towards verification, analysis, and higher-level skills, while reducing repetitive tasks.
• Test Automation: How AI-powered test case generation, optimization, and self-healing tests are making testing more efficient and effective.
• Visual Testing: Explore the emerging capabilities of AI in visual testing and how it's set to revolutionize UI verification.
• Inflectra's AI Solutions: See demonstrations of Inflectra's cutting-edge AI tools like the ChatGPT plugin and Azure Open AI platform, designed to streamline your testing process.
Whether you're a developer, tester, or QA professional, this webinar will give you valuable insights into how AI is shaping the future of software delivery.
Kubernetes & AI - Beauty and the Beast !?! @KCD Istanbul 2024Tobias Schneck
As AI technology is pushing into IT I was wondering myself, as an “infrastructure container kubernetes guy”, how get this fancy AI technology get managed from an infrastructure operational view? Is it possible to apply our lovely cloud native principals as well? What benefit’s both technologies could bring to each other?
Let me take this questions and provide you a short journey through existing deployment models and use cases for AI software. On practical examples, we discuss what cloud/on-premise strategy we may need for applying it to our own infrastructure to get it to work from an enterprise perspective. I want to give an overview about infrastructure requirements and technologies, what could be beneficial or limiting your AI use cases in an enterprise environment. An interactive Demo will give you some insides, what approaches I got already working for real.
"Impact of front-end architecture on development cost", Viktor TurskyiFwdays
I have heard many times that architecture is not important for the front-end. Also, many times I have seen how developers implement features on the front-end just following the standard rules for a framework and think that this is enough to successfully launch the project, and then the project fails. How to prevent this and what approach to choose? I have launched dozens of complex projects and during the talk we will analyze which approaches have worked for me and which have not.
Slack (or Teams) Automation for Bonterra Impact Management (fka Social Soluti...Jeffrey Haguewood
Sidekick Solutions uses Bonterra Impact Management (fka Social Solutions Apricot) and automation solutions to integrate data for business workflows.
We believe integration and automation are essential to user experience and the promise of efficient work through technology. Automation is the critical ingredient to realizing that full vision. We develop integration products and services for Bonterra Case Management software to support the deployment of automations for a variety of use cases.
This video focuses on the notifications, alerts, and approval requests using Slack for Bonterra Impact Management. The solutions covered in this webinar can also be deployed for Microsoft Teams.
Interested in deploying notification automations for Bonterra Impact Management? Contact us at sales@sidekicksolutionsllc.com to discuss next steps.
Mission to Decommission: Importance of Decommissioning Products to Increase E...
bada: Introduction to Ecosystem
1. Welcome to the Samsung bada Orange PartnerEventMay 5, 2011Chiswick Park, London
2. Agenda 16:30 - 17:00 Welcome & Introduction to Orange Partner Martin Wigley 17:00 - 17:30 Introduction to bada: Mobile Platform and Ecosystem Manfred Bortenschlager 17:30 - 18:00 bada – Familiar Foundations Jon Lansdell 18:00 - 18:30 Break 18:30 - 19:30 Location-based Services and Social Networking in bada: The BuddyFix ShowcaseCheng Luo 19:30 Event Close 19:30 - 22:00 Get together @ The Chiswick Union bar
3. Give-aways… Free books: Introduction to bada Pay with a tweet: #badaLondon Subscribe to the Samsung Mobile Innovator blog SAMMI: http://s-a-m-m-i.blogspot.com
4. Give-aways… Brand-new Wave-II: 1 device for our favourite tweet #badaLondon 1 device for top-scorer at AiRaidAR game 3 devices from quizzes during presentations
7. bada Ecosystem Full support for smartphone ecosystem Application Store Developer Support bada Platform Customer Developer Online marketplace www.samsungapps.com Feature-rich Platform Full technical support developer.bada.com 7
9. Samsung Apps: Global Coverage Launched Samsung Apps in 118 countries (June 2010) Over 100 million downloads (March 2011) 13,000 apps Samsung Apps Logo 조금 더 크게 9
10. Certification Process Device / Function Test Confirma- tion Content Review Sell Review & Confirm Content Review Device / Function Test Target : 7 business days Final confirmation for certification Usability Test Compatibility Test Copyright Age limit Policy & Disclaimer 10
13. Distribute / Sell Your App Samsung Apps Seller Site http://seller.samsungapps.com Register and upload apps &Monitor sales status Samsung Apps Web site http://www.samsungapps.com Promotion / Marketing to end user On-Device Client Desktop: Kies 13
14. Marketing Support: Banner Boost sellers’ profits effectively by providing a variety of promotional opportunities 14
17. bada Developer Site Provides all tools & documents needed for development developer.bada.com VIDEO TUTORIAL API REFERENCE SAMPLE CODE BLOG IDE UI BUILDER SIMULATOR 17
18. bada SDK and IDE The SDK bundle consists of: Eclipse-based IDE Platform binaries and libraries, header files GNU tool chain Tutorials Sample applications Tools UI Builder UI Sequencer Memory Leak Checker Simulator/Emulator Performance Analyzer Event Injector etc…
19. Online Lecture Videos Available through http://developer.bada.com http://www.youtube.com/badadevelopers 19
22. Forum Forum 순서를 EN > CN > KO 로 바꿔주세요 Free discussion between developers and Samsung technicians (English, Chinese, Korean) Chinese English Korean 22
27. Framework Service Device Kernel bada, Smartphone platform An execution environment for feature-rich apps and services 27
28. New Features in bada 2.0 Extended Application Framework Additional Communication Means Enriched User Interaction Web Technology Integration Framework Service Device Kernel 28
30. Association Registration Extended Application Framework “video/mpeg” “video/mpeg” “image/jpeg” “image/jpeg” Enhanced application control 3rd party app registered with MIME and URI scheme for later invocation 30
31. Group Owner Additional Communication Means Reading URL Writing “$100” Client 1 Client 2 Wi-Fi Direct Easy and fast P2P setup NFC (Near Field Communication) Intuitive and fast read/write 31
32. Enriched User Interaction OK! Take me to the bada web site Voice enabled STT (Speech-to-Text) and TTS (Text-to-Speech) OpenAL 3D sound by changing position of audio sources and listener 32
33. Web Technology Integration +80 API’s JS Framework with HTML5 bada web application Incorporation of HTML5, JS Framework and WAC 2.0 33
34. Wave II, 2nd bada ‘hero’ 1GHz Processor Super Clear LCD (3.7’’ WVGA) 5.0 Megapixel camera HD video playback & recording Bluetooth 3.0 Wi-Fi (802.11b/g/n) Various sensors You can win 5 today !!
35. 5M total bada phones sold in 2010 Over 10M total bada phones within 1H, 2011 Focus on high-end to mid-level (mass) devices Platform upgrade bada 1.2 Wave II bada 2.0 bada 1.1 Wave 533 / 723 / 525 / 575 bada 1.0 Wave bada Devices & SDK Evolution 35
36. The Take-Away Message 3 reasons why Samsung bada makes sense Market strategy “Smartphone for Everyone” Total customisation flexibility Unique features of the technical platform 36
37. Rise of the Undead … Is an AR first person shooter app … or better vacuum blaster Suck them all up:
38. How to stay in touch ? Global: Developer site: developer.bada.com Twitter: samsungbada YouTube Channel: badadevelopers Local: SAMMI blog: s-a-m-m-i.blogspot.com bada-europe@samsung.com “samsungbada” “badadevelopers” http://developer.bada.com
39. Quiz to win a Wave-II Name 3 new features in bada 2.0 ! 39
Editor's Notes
Building up ones own ecosystem (or a customised variation) is crucial for a handset manufacturer to stay in the game. Otherwise will be downgraded to hardware supplier.Vision: “smartphone for everyone” (=bring smartphone experience into lower-price segment, allow easy access to “privilege of smartphones”) to people who cannot or do not want to spend a lot of money on expensivesmartphonesOnly 20% of all mobile phones sold are smartphonesSegment with huge potentialLow/no entry barrier:Bada is C++, very well abstracted API, with low level details handled by the platformAll tools are for free from developer site. Familiar Eclipse-based IDE + many support tools such as simulator and event injector, unit testing, code coverage, performance analyser etc.A lot of documentation, sample code and training materialRigorous QA before publication in Samsung Apps store to ensure quality. You can consider this QA process as your test lab, testing your app to provide high quality standards. (including video feedback and Q&A possibilities)
1. Market strategy “Smartphone for Everyone”Targets at smartphone market PLUS mid-level phonesBring the smartphone experience into a lower-price segmentMarket potential1m Waves after 4 weeks5M bada devices by end of 201010m bada devices by end of H1/201113000 apps in store (by March 2011)Total of 100M DL by March. 20110.5 to 1M DL per dayStill: first mover opportunity2. Expansion into consumer electronicsAvoid any dependency, customisation to our needsReact and adapt to own (hw) requirements and developer requirementsbada is Samsung’s software platform and ecosystem for mobile devicesbada may become as cross-technology platform3. Unique features of the technical platformWell-abstracted API ( no entry barrier) Complicated things/apps can be done comparatively easyEclipse based tools, all free (Event Injector and Remote Test Lab, memory usage checker, UI Builder, UI Sequencer)Seamless server-side service integration (E.g.: SNSGateway as one unified access point, All by using the one native bada C++ API)bada is in a position already where it can seen as opportunity or as a threat.In any case bada needs to be taken into account and seriously considered.