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SEED IS THE NEW A:
WHAT THE SEED STAGE EXPLOSION MEANS FOR FOUNDERS, GPs and LPs
@ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC
@ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
Venture Capital may fund
technology revolutions, but it
itself evolves slowly over time.
Sometimes we need to take a step back
and recognize when things have changed.
Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC
@ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
Flashback to June 2013…
Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC
@ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
Excerpt from
K9 Ventures
2013 LP
Extravaganza
Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC
@ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
Not Series A
crunch
Overfunding
at Seed
Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC
@ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
Massive late
stage rounds
Flight to
traction
Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC
@ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
More
competition
for Series A
More traction
Higher costs
Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC
@ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
Introducing
“pre-seed”
Series A as
4th round!
Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC
@ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
Super Angels
are now Micro-
VCs
Seed is the new
Series A
Series A is the
new Series B
Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC
@ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
2015: EPILOGUE
THE NEW VENTURE LANDSCAPE
Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC
@ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
Seed is the New A
Round sizes close to $2M +
Valuations rising to match
Expectations of GPs rising as well
Traction, Revenue model, Unit economics
Logical evolution for larger fund sizes
Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC
@ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC
@ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
Pre-Seed is the New Seed
Closer to $500K raised
Not enough traction for Seed
Used for building team and product
New gap emerging in the funding ecosystem?
Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC
@ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
Raising a Seed round is harder
Good news: Lots of new funds and capital
Bad news: Change in expectations
Founders…
Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC
@ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
Seed is not the first
round
Founder expectations are off
Expect to raise $2M off the bat… 

but don’t have the milestones for it
Raise Pre-Seed first, grow into Seed
Founders
…
Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC
@ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
“As I grow older, I
pay less attention to
what men say. I just
watch what they do.”
Andrew Carnegie
Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC
@ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
Watch what investors do,
not what they say
Investors aren’t clear on their messaging
Look at:
Who they’ve funded
How much they’ve invested
At what stage
Founders…
Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC
@ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
Stop living in denial
If you’ve spiraled up…
It’s a natural evolution
Not always a bad thing
Revisit your messaging
GPs
Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC
@ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
Your early stage investment
portfolio may no longer be early
stage
Traditional VC firms moved up the spiral
Return profile will change across industry
Pre-Seed and Seed may have outsized returns
LPs
Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC
@ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
Micro-VCs are the new Series A
investors
Some LPs already invested in Micro-VC
Others may have missed the boat on some of the best
LPs
Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC
@ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
New crop of Pre-Seed funds emerging
Dearth of funds doing Pre-Seed investing
Tough to pick funds at this stage
LPs
Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC
@ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
Scaling VC breaks it
VC is and should remain a boutique industry
Increasing commitments to best funds/managers

leads to the Venture Spiral
Management Fee/Carry gives incentive for larger fund size
LPs
Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC
@ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
Too Much Capital
New capital from non-traditional geographies
China, Russia, Middle East, India
Formation of new funds
LPs
Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC
@ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
Too Much Capital
Value creation predominantly in private markets
Wall Street entering private markets
Hedge funds and banks leading growth rounds
Insensitive to valuations?
Liquidation preferences dominate?
LPs
Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC
@ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
Too Much Capital
Corporate investors in late stage
For some corporates it’s a money management strategy
Don’t lose money. Making money is icing on cake.
LPs
Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC
@ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
There is an erosion of valuation
discipline across all stages of
venture capital right now.
Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC
@ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC
@ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
Let’s talk about Bubbles…
I’m an expert in bubbles.
But only of the soapy kind.
Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC
@ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC
@ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC
@ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
Bubbles are
awesome.
They’re so much
fun to play with, fun
to watch, but
ultimately they pop.
Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC
@ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
LET’S GO!
Read the full post at:
http://k9.vc/SeedsChanged

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Seed Stage Explosion and the New Venture Landscape

  • 1. SEED IS THE NEW A: WHAT THE SEED STAGE EXPLOSION MEANS FOR FOUNDERS, GPs and LPs @ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
  • 2. Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC @ManuKumar from @K9Ventures Venture Capital may fund technology revolutions, but it itself evolves slowly over time. Sometimes we need to take a step back and recognize when things have changed.
  • 3. Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC @ManuKumar from @K9Ventures Flashback to June 2013…
  • 4. Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC @ManuKumar from @K9Ventures Excerpt from K9 Ventures 2013 LP Extravaganza
  • 5. Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC @ManuKumar from @K9Ventures Not Series A crunch Overfunding at Seed
  • 6. Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC @ManuKumar from @K9Ventures Massive late stage rounds Flight to traction
  • 7. Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC @ManuKumar from @K9Ventures More competition for Series A More traction Higher costs
  • 8. Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC @ManuKumar from @K9Ventures Introducing “pre-seed” Series A as 4th round!
  • 9. Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC @ManuKumar from @K9Ventures Super Angels are now Micro- VCs Seed is the new Series A Series A is the new Series B
  • 10. Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC @ManuKumar from @K9Ventures 2015: EPILOGUE THE NEW VENTURE LANDSCAPE
  • 11. Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC @ManuKumar from @K9Ventures Seed is the New A Round sizes close to $2M + Valuations rising to match Expectations of GPs rising as well Traction, Revenue model, Unit economics Logical evolution for larger fund sizes
  • 12. Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC @ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
  • 13. Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC @ManuKumar from @K9Ventures Pre-Seed is the New Seed Closer to $500K raised Not enough traction for Seed Used for building team and product New gap emerging in the funding ecosystem?
  • 14. Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC @ManuKumar from @K9Ventures Raising a Seed round is harder Good news: Lots of new funds and capital Bad news: Change in expectations Founders…
  • 15. Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC @ManuKumar from @K9Ventures Seed is not the first round Founder expectations are off Expect to raise $2M off the bat… 
 but don’t have the milestones for it Raise Pre-Seed first, grow into Seed Founders …
  • 16. Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC @ManuKumar from @K9Ventures “As I grow older, I pay less attention to what men say. I just watch what they do.” Andrew Carnegie
  • 17. Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC @ManuKumar from @K9Ventures Watch what investors do, not what they say Investors aren’t clear on their messaging Look at: Who they’ve funded How much they’ve invested At what stage Founders…
  • 18. Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC @ManuKumar from @K9Ventures Stop living in denial If you’ve spiraled up… It’s a natural evolution Not always a bad thing Revisit your messaging GPs
  • 19. Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC @ManuKumar from @K9Ventures Your early stage investment portfolio may no longer be early stage Traditional VC firms moved up the spiral Return profile will change across industry Pre-Seed and Seed may have outsized returns LPs
  • 20. Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC @ManuKumar from @K9Ventures Micro-VCs are the new Series A investors Some LPs already invested in Micro-VC Others may have missed the boat on some of the best LPs
  • 21. Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC @ManuKumar from @K9Ventures New crop of Pre-Seed funds emerging Dearth of funds doing Pre-Seed investing Tough to pick funds at this stage LPs
  • 22. Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC @ManuKumar from @K9Ventures Scaling VC breaks it VC is and should remain a boutique industry Increasing commitments to best funds/managers
 leads to the Venture Spiral Management Fee/Carry gives incentive for larger fund size LPs
  • 23. Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC @ManuKumar from @K9Ventures Too Much Capital New capital from non-traditional geographies China, Russia, Middle East, India Formation of new funds LPs
  • 24. Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC @ManuKumar from @K9Ventures Too Much Capital Value creation predominantly in private markets Wall Street entering private markets Hedge funds and banks leading growth rounds Insensitive to valuations? Liquidation preferences dominate? LPs
  • 25. Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC @ManuKumar from @K9Ventures Too Much Capital Corporate investors in late stage For some corporates it’s a money management strategy Don’t lose money. Making money is icing on cake. LPs
  • 26. Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC @ManuKumar from @K9Ventures There is an erosion of valuation discipline across all stages of venture capital right now.
  • 27. Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC @ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
  • 28. Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC @ManuKumar from @K9Ventures Let’s talk about Bubbles… I’m an expert in bubbles. But only of the soapy kind.
  • 29. Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC @ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
  • 30. Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC @ManuKumar from @K9Ventures
  • 31. Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC @ManuKumar from @K9Ventures Bubbles are awesome. They’re so much fun to play with, fun to watch, but ultimately they pop.
  • 32. Copyright © 2008-2015 K9 Ventures, LLC @ManuKumar from @K9Ventures LET’S GO! Read the full post at: http://k9.vc/SeedsChanged