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Throughout the Torah and the Old Testament, Yahweh time and time again reminds the Jewish people, “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery,” and reminds us that we, too, should be compassionate towards the exile, the slave, the servant, the widow, the orphan, the poor, the sick, anyone who is in need and suffering
Although the Bible and stoicism tolerated slavery as a labor system for the lower classes, they both encouraged society to view both slave and free men as equal before God, and taught that all men should be treated with dignity and respect. The Stoic Philosophers urged greater compassion for slaves. After Roman Empire became a Christian Empire, the teachings of the Church Fathers became more critical of slavery. We also make some comparisons to the system of slavery in the Confederate Deep South before the Civil War. We also speculate on how the Roman slaves transitioned into the serfs of Medieval Europe.
Were slaves the employees of the ancient world? To understand the role of slaves in the ancient world we have a totally distorted picture when we only focus on the moral wrong of owning another person, treating servants like talking draft animals. The other aspect of slavery is paying someone such low wages that they cannot feed their family with dignity, that they feel like they live forever on the edge of the abyss, where the slightest crisis could force them to live in the streets. Someone who earns a minimum wage that is a starvation wage is very much a modern-day slave.
We review the following Bible stories in our discussions:
• The first Passover in Egypt, and Moses leading his people through the Red Sea to safety from Pharaoh’s chariots.
• Babylonian and Assyrian exiles.
• The trust Abraham shows in his servant Eliezer, who transports the dowry across the desert to Laban, and returns with his daughter Rebekah to be Isaac’s bride.
• The story of Ruth and Boaz, which suggests that the largest landowners did not employ gangs of slaves as was common in Rome.
• Hosea, who buys his runaway wife Gomer at the slave market, where she was sold to pay her debts.
• The Jubilee system in the Torah, which mandated that slaves would be freed in the seventh year of captivity.
We discuss the types of slavery in ancient Israel and Judah:
• Household servants or slaves.
• Concubines captured in war.
• Debt slavery.
We discuss the writings and/or anecdotes of:
• St Paul in Galatians, 1 Corinthians, Ephesians and Philemon.
• Aristotle in his work, Politics.
• The Cynic Philosopher Diogenese of Sinope.
• The Stoic Philosophers Emperor Marcus Aurelius, Epictetus, and Seneca.
• The Church Fathers St Gregory of Nyssa, St Ephrem, St John Chrysostom, St Augustine in the City of God and other writings.
Slavery in the Bible, Aristotle, Stoic Philosophers, and the Early Church Fat...
Slavery in the Bible, Aristotle, Stoic Philosophers, and the Early Church Fat...Reflections on Morality, Philosophy, and History
The Iliad, a warrior saga, has two visiting enemy camp stories. To truly highlight the hazards of such visits, and to gain a better understanding of how life was lived in a warrior society, we will compare these stories to a few of the visiting enemy camp stories a remarkable collection of short stories in the “Tales of the Northwest,” a collection of remarkable stories of Indian life and culture in the American frontier.
One of the most courageous characters of the Iliad is Chryses, the father of Chryseis, priest to Apollo, who ALONE visits the armed camp of the enemy, the camp of the Greeks, bringing a ransom for his beloved daughter, Chryseis, whom King Agamemnon has captured as his concubine. Another courageous figure is King Priam, who with a disguised god visits the enemy camp of the Achaeans to ransom the body of his son Hector, whom Achilles has been dragging behind his chariot around the walls of Troy, so the Trojans can properly bury the dead Hector to release his soul to the underworld.
The stories in the “Tales of the Northwest” chronicles multiple visiting enemy camp stories where fathers ransom their captured daughters, and where braves ransom their captures wives, all of which are similar to these scenes in the saga of the Iliad. The first few stories illustrate the maxim that in these tense enemy camp meetings hospitality must be shown, a meal must be shared, and in the Indian versions everyone must take a smoke from the shared pipe. Both host and guest must be respectful, lest them doom their fate. In both stories an enemy Indian band had killed most of the family or tribe, except for the Indian daughter or wife whom the brave visitor seeks to ransom.
We have a final story of how Pope Leo successfully and bravely rides into the enemy camp of Attila the Hun, unarmed, and persuades him not to invade and sack Rome.
The blogs on the Iliad and the Odyssey start with, and include:
http://www.seekingvirtueandwisdom.com/iliad_blog01/
http://www.seekingvirtueandwisdom.com/category/iliad-and-odyssey/
Please support our channel, these books we discuss are available on Amazon, we earn a small affiliate commission:
The Iliad, by Homer, Robert Fagles, Translator
https://amzn.to/2U255xW
The Iliad of Homer, Audible Audiobook, by Elizabeth Vandiver, The Great Courses
https://amzn.to/3hiUBmg
Masterpieces of Ancient Greek Literature Audible recording, by David J. Schenker The Great Courses
https://amzn.to/3BXCwSG
Tales of the Northwest, by William Joseph Snelling
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The Warrior Cultures of the Iliad and the American Indian, Bravely Visiting t...
The Warrior Cultures of the Iliad and the American Indian, Bravely Visiting t...Reflections on Morality, Philosophy, and History
The Iliad is a story about how Achilles and Agamemnon were arguing over their beautiful concubines captured in the Trojan War. Capturing concubines during war was common in the ancient world, in Greece, Rome, and during Old Testament times, there are even laws in the Torah on how soldiers should treat their captured concubines. And up to the time of Trent many church councils forbade kidnapping as an acceptable form of courtship.
The first sentence of the Greek class the Iliad starts with the RAGE of Achilles, the rage that made him the most dreaded warrior of the Greeks, the rage that drove him to slay so many noble Trojan warriors. But the Iliad was about another type of rage, the rage which urged him to withdraw from battle, the rage he felt when the main King Agamemnon seized the beloved concubine maiden Briseis from Achilles.
We will also look at how morality or history of concubines are discussed by:
• Iliad and Odyssey
• Roman mythology
• Book of Judges
• Torah
• Rabbis, Ramban or Maimonides
• Origen
• St Augustine
• Council of Trent
From these blogs on the Iliad, in particular:
http://www.seekingvirtueandwisdom.com/iliad_blog02/ (on concubines)
http://www.seekingvirtueandwisdom.com/iliad-blog-3-visiting-the-enemy-camp-greeks-vs-indians/
http://www.seekingvirtueandwisdom.com/the-iliad-blog-4-briseis-chryseis-arent-all-concubines-the-same/
Please support our channel, these books we discuss are available on Amazon, we earn a small affiliate commission:
The Iliad, by Homer, Robert Fagles, Translator
https://amzn.to/2U255xW
The Iliad of Homer, Audible Audiobook, by Elizabeth Vandiver, The Great Courses
https://amzn.to/3hiUBmg
Masterpieces of Ancient Greek Literature Audible recording, by David J. Schenker The Great Courses
https://amzn.to/3BXCwSG
Maimonides: The Commandments (Sefer Ha-Mitzvoth) The 613 Mitzvoth of the Torah elucidated in English (2 vol.)
https://amzn.to/3a9cJLd
Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy (Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture: Old Testament, Volume III)
https://amzn.to/2VvTOWX
Metsudah Chumash 5 Vol Set Hardcover, Torah with Rashi commentary and footnotes, by Rabbi Avraham Davis (purchasing individual volumes is not practical)
https://amzn.to/3rWbeIs
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Throughout the Torah and the Old Testament, Yahweh time and time again reminds the Jewish people, “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery,” and reminds us that we, too, should be compassionate towards the exile, the slave, the servant, the widow, the orphan, the poor, the sick, anyone who is in need and suffering
Although the Bible and stoicism tolerated slavery as a labor system for the lower classes, they both encouraged society to view both slave and free men as equal before God, and taught that all men should be treated with dignity and respect. The Stoic Philosophers urged greater compassion for slaves. After Roman Empire became a Christian Empire, the teachings of the Church Fathers became more critical of slavery. We also make some comparisons to the system of slavery in the Confederate Deep South before the Civil War. We also speculate on how the Roman slaves transitioned into the serfs of Medieval Europe.
Were slaves the employees of the ancient world? To understand the role of slaves in the ancient world we have a totally distorted picture when we only focus on the moral wrong of owning another person, treating servants like talking draft animals. The other aspect of slavery is paying someone such low wages that they cannot feed their family with dignity, that they feel like they live forever on the edge of the abyss, where the slightest crisis could force them to live in the streets. Someone who earns a minimum wage that is a starvation wage is very much a modern-day slave.
We review the following Bible stories in our discussions:
• The first Passover in Egypt, and Moses leading his people through the Red Sea to safety from Pharaoh’s chariots.
• Babylonian and Assyrian exiles.
• The trust Abraham shows in his servant Eliezer, who transports the dowry across the desert to Laban, and returns with his daughter Rebekah to be Isaac’s bride.
• The story of Ruth and Boaz, which suggests that the largest landowners did not employ gangs of slaves as was common in Rome.
• Hosea, who buys his runaway wife Gomer at the slave market, where she was sold to pay her debts.
• The Jubilee system in the Torah, which mandated that slaves would be freed in the seventh year of captivity.
We discuss the types of slavery in ancient Israel and Judah:
• Household servants or slaves.
• Concubines captured in war.
• Debt slavery.
We discuss the writings and/or anecdotes of:
• St Paul in Galatians, 1 Corinthians, Ephesians and Philemon.
• Aristotle in his work, Politics.
• The Cynic Philosopher Diogenese of Sinope.
• The Stoic Philosophers Emperor Marcus Aurelius, Epictetus, and Seneca.
• The Church Fathers St Gregory of Nyssa, St Ephrem, St John Chrysostom, St Augustine in the City of God and other writings.
Slavery in the Bible, Aristotle, Stoic Philosophers, and the Early Church Fat...
Slavery in the Bible, Aristotle, Stoic Philosophers, and the Early Church Fat...Reflections on Morality, Philosophy, and History
The Iliad, a warrior saga, has two visiting enemy camp stories. To truly highlight the hazards of such visits, and to gain a better understanding of how life was lived in a warrior society, we will compare these stories to a few of the visiting enemy camp stories a remarkable collection of short stories in the “Tales of the Northwest,” a collection of remarkable stories of Indian life and culture in the American frontier.
One of the most courageous characters of the Iliad is Chryses, the father of Chryseis, priest to Apollo, who ALONE visits the armed camp of the enemy, the camp of the Greeks, bringing a ransom for his beloved daughter, Chryseis, whom King Agamemnon has captured as his concubine. Another courageous figure is King Priam, who with a disguised god visits the enemy camp of the Achaeans to ransom the body of his son Hector, whom Achilles has been dragging behind his chariot around the walls of Troy, so the Trojans can properly bury the dead Hector to release his soul to the underworld.
The stories in the “Tales of the Northwest” chronicles multiple visiting enemy camp stories where fathers ransom their captured daughters, and where braves ransom their captures wives, all of which are similar to these scenes in the saga of the Iliad. The first few stories illustrate the maxim that in these tense enemy camp meetings hospitality must be shown, a meal must be shared, and in the Indian versions everyone must take a smoke from the shared pipe. Both host and guest must be respectful, lest them doom their fate. In both stories an enemy Indian band had killed most of the family or tribe, except for the Indian daughter or wife whom the brave visitor seeks to ransom.
We have a final story of how Pope Leo successfully and bravely rides into the enemy camp of Attila the Hun, unarmed, and persuades him not to invade and sack Rome.
The blogs on the Iliad and the Odyssey start with, and include:
http://www.seekingvirtueandwisdom.com/iliad_blog01/
http://www.seekingvirtueandwisdom.com/category/iliad-and-odyssey/
Please support our channel, these books we discuss are available on Amazon, we earn a small affiliate commission:
The Iliad, by Homer, Robert Fagles, Translator
https://amzn.to/2U255xW
The Iliad of Homer, Audible Audiobook, by Elizabeth Vandiver, The Great Courses
https://amzn.to/3hiUBmg
Masterpieces of Ancient Greek Literature Audible recording, by David J. Schenker The Great Courses
https://amzn.to/3BXCwSG
Tales of the Northwest, by William Joseph Snelling
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The Warrior Cultures of the Iliad and the American Indian, Bravely Visiting t...
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The Iliad is a story about how Achilles and Agamemnon were arguing over their beautiful concubines captured in the Trojan War. Capturing concubines during war was common in the ancient world, in Greece, Rome, and during Old Testament times, there are even laws in the Torah on how soldiers should treat their captured concubines. And up to the time of Trent many church councils forbade kidnapping as an acceptable form of courtship.
The first sentence of the Greek class the Iliad starts with the RAGE of Achilles, the rage that made him the most dreaded warrior of the Greeks, the rage that drove him to slay so many noble Trojan warriors. But the Iliad was about another type of rage, the rage which urged him to withdraw from battle, the rage he felt when the main King Agamemnon seized the beloved concubine maiden Briseis from Achilles.
We will also look at how morality or history of concubines are discussed by:
• Iliad and Odyssey
• Roman mythology
• Book of Judges
• Torah
• Rabbis, Ramban or Maimonides
• Origen
• St Augustine
• Council of Trent
From these blogs on the Iliad, in particular:
http://www.seekingvirtueandwisdom.com/iliad_blog02/ (on concubines)
http://www.seekingvirtueandwisdom.com/iliad-blog-3-visiting-the-enemy-camp-greeks-vs-indians/
http://www.seekingvirtueandwisdom.com/the-iliad-blog-4-briseis-chryseis-arent-all-concubines-the-same/
Please support our channel, these books we discuss are available on Amazon, we earn a small affiliate commission:
The Iliad, by Homer, Robert Fagles, Translator
https://amzn.to/2U255xW
The Iliad of Homer, Audible Audiobook, by Elizabeth Vandiver, The Great Courses
https://amzn.to/3hiUBmg
Masterpieces of Ancient Greek Literature Audible recording, by David J. Schenker The Great Courses
https://amzn.to/3BXCwSG
Maimonides: The Commandments (Sefer Ha-Mitzvoth) The 613 Mitzvoth of the Torah elucidated in English (2 vol.)
https://amzn.to/3a9cJLd
Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy (Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture: Old Testament, Volume III)
https://amzn.to/2VvTOWX
Metsudah Chumash 5 Vol Set Hardcover, Torah with Rashi commentary and footnotes, by Rabbi Avraham Davis (purchasing individual volumes is not practical)
https://amzn.to/3rWbeIs
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We cannot truly understand the culture of the ancient Greeks, and Greek philosophy, culture and history, and also the Western philosophical tradition, without becoming familiar with Homer’s works, the Iliad and the Odyssey.
The Iliad and Odyssey depict a warrior culture. All ancient cultures were warrior cultures out of necessity. War was a deadly business, if an ancient city-state lost a major war, often the men would be slain, and the women and children would be sold into slavery. Most of the slaves of the ancient world were either captured by pirates or enslaved during war.
Both ancient Rome and Ancient Greece were warrior cultures, the cultures of the nations of Israel and Judah in the Old Testament were warrior cultures, and all ancient and medieval cultures were warrior cultures until the rise of the modern nation-state. To properly interpret Greek Philosophy and History, the Western Philosophical tradition, and the Old Testament, we must realize that these ancient cultures were rooted in a warrior ethos.
The blogs on the Iliad and the Odyssey start with, and include:
http://www.seekingvirtueandwisdom.com/iliad_blog01/
http://www.seekingvirtueandwisdom.com/category/iliad-and-odyssey/
Please support our channel, these books we discuss are available on Amazon, we earn a small affiliate commission:
The Iliad, by Homer, Robert Fagles, Translator
https://amzn.to/2U255xW
The Iliad of Homer, Audible Audiobook, by Elizabeth Vandiver, The Great Courses
https://amzn.to/3hiUBmg
Masterpieces of Ancient Greek Literature Audible recording, by David J. Schenker The Great Courses
https://amzn.to/3BXCwSG
The blogs on the Iliad and the Odyssey start with, and include:
http://www.seekingvirtueandwisdom.com/iliad_blog01/
http://www.seekingvirtueandwisdom.com/category/iliad-and-odyssey/
Please support our efforts, be a patron, at:
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Patrons can participate in online Zoom discussions of draft presentations we prepare for future YouTube videos.The Iliad, the Basis of Greek Culture and the Western Philosophical Tradition
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The RAGE that made Achilles the most dreaded warrior of the Greeks, the rage that drove him to slay so many noble Trojan warriors, was also the rage which urged him to withdraw from battle, the rage he felt when the main King Agamemnon seized the beloved maiden Briseis from Achilles, Briseis, the Trojan maiden, the prize of war. Then, when Patroclus, his best friend wearing his armor, is killed in battle by the Trojan hero Hector, Achilles goes mad with rage, turning into a killing machine, avenging his friend’s death by killing Hector and many Trojans, even though his goddess mother Thetis revealed to him that if he returned to battle, he would die in battle, rather than live a long life in obscurity if he simply returned home.
The Iliad both glorifies the glory and honor the brave warrior earns on the battlefield while also exposing the meaningless and futility of war, with many touching family scenes of husbands and fathers whose fates are doomed. The Trojan War is doubly futile, the Greeks are fighting for the return of Helen of Troy, who was abducted from the Greek Menelaus by the Trojan Prince Paris, and Helen now despises Paris for the long war he was brought on his people.
The blogs on the Iliad and the Odyssey start with, and include:
http://www.seekingvirtueandwisdom.com/iliad_blog01/
http://www.seekingvirtueandwisdom.com/category/iliad-and-odyssey/
Please support our channel, these books we discuss are available on Amazon, we earn a small affiliate commission:
The Iliad, by Homer, Robert Fagles, Translator
https://amzn.to/2U255xW
The Iliad of Homer, Audible Audiobook, by Elizabeth Vandiver, The Great Courses
https://amzn.to/3hiUBmg
Masterpieces of Ancient Greek Literature Audible recording, by David J. Schenker The Great Courses
https://amzn.to/3BXCwSG
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Both ancient Rome and Ancient Greece were warrior cultures, the cultures of the nations of Israel and Judah in the Old Testament were warrior cultures, and all ancient and medieval cultures were warrior cultures until the rise of the modern nation-state. To properly interpret Greek Philosophy and History, the Western Philosophical tradition, and the Old Testament, we must realize that these ancient cultures were rooted in a warrior ethos.
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Please support our channel, these books we discuss are available on Amazon, we earn a small affiliate commission:
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The Iliad both glorifies the glory and honor the brave warrior earns on the battlefield while also exposing the meaningless and futility of war, with many touching family scenes of husbands and fathers whose fates are doomed. The Trojan War is doubly futile, the Greeks are fighting for the return of Helen of Troy, who was abducted from the Greek Menelaus by the Trojan Prince Paris, and Helen now despises Paris for the long war he was brought on his people.
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- 1. Survival in the Dark Ages A special thanks to Ms. Lazovitz for sharing her lesson with me!
- 2. The Roman Empire ended when the Visigoths attacked Rome (again) in 476 CE and killed the emperor.
- 3. After the “Fall of Rome”, life in the villages of Europe was grim. This period of time is often called “the Dark Ages”.
- 4. The amazing achievements of the Romans, such as the domed buildings, roads, and aqueducts, fell into ruins.
- 5. Barbarians were invading regularly.
- 6. No longer could the people of Europe rely on the Roman army to protect them.
- 7. You and your group members live in a small, poor village that has been attacked by barbarians. You are lucky that you survived! But you are worried that they will attack again…
- 8. Town meeting Discuss ways that you can keep your village safe. What will you do if the barbarians return? How will you make sure you have enough food to feed your family? One person in your group luckily knows how to read and write, which was rare at this time. This person should write your plan of action.
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