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Intensivist-delivered echo:
dangerous in the wrong
hands?
Susanna Price
Cardiologist & Intensivist
Royal Brompton Hospital
cardiologist vs intensivist?
Intensivist-delivered echo:
dangerous in the wrong
hands?
Susanna Price
Cardiologist & Intensivist
Royal Brompton Hospital
What is this discussion really about?
Repeated studies, out of hours, timely manner
Training and education – echo and intensive care?
Lack of availability of cardiologists?
focused cardiac ultrasound vs comprehensive echo
High-end vs miniaturised machine
Limited/full range of advanced techniques?
Different “weapons”
Time required for the study?
What if something is missed/misinterpreted?
Inappropriate discrediting of the technique?
inability to compromise on point of principle?
Ownership?
The very best: for optimal patient care and safety
What this discussion is really about….
1971: first real-time 2D scanner
1983: 3D echocardiography
1988: intravascular ultrasound
©FEEL-UK
b. Physiologya. Monitoring
c. Perfusion
Pitfalls
Echocardiography in the critically ill?
d. Anatomy
ER, ICU, anaesthesia
Penetrating trauma, blunt trauma
Postcardiotomy due to cardiac surgery
Hypotension, shock of unknown origin
Unconsciousness, unresponsiveness
Acute severe dyspnoea
Syncope in young adults
Vein thrombosis
Acute myocardial infarction (AMI)), mechanical complications of AMI
Atypical chest pain: suspected aortic dissection, suspected aortic abdominal or
thoracic aneurysm, nontraumatic cardiac rupture
Iatrogenic complications because of invasive procedures (e.g. Insertion of an
artificial pacemaker, pulmonary artery catheter, electrophysiologic
investigative procedures)
Great vessel disease
Cardiac Arrest:
Pulseless electrical activity
Suspected cardiac tamponade
Early detection of ROSC
Bradycardia-asystole, pacemaker-ECG
Performance of CPR
Effectiveness of chest compressions
Hypotension, adaptation of vasopressors
ICU
Systolic function and regional wall motion abnormalities
Diastolic function
Hypovolemia and volume responsiveness
Tamponade and pericardial disease
The sepsis syndromes
Effects of pre-load and afterload and assessment of filling status
Acute cor pulmonale
Hypoxemia
Complications of acute MI
Chest trauma
Assessment of shock
Failure to wean from mechanical ventilation
Hemodynamic measurements
Anaesthesia
Cardiac surgery
Intraoperative TOE and epicardial echocardiography
Postoperative assessment on the ICU (TOE and TTE)
surgery-specific
general
Non-cardiac surgery
Intraoperative high-risk cases
Systolic function and regional wall motion abnormalities
Hypovolemia and volume responsiveness
Effects of pre-load and afterload and assessment of filling status
Hemodynamic measurements
Potential scope of critical echocardiography
Evidence-base?: PubMed
Echocardiography
Critical Care echo
Setting the scene…
Setting the scene…
Patient-centred care – critical care without walls
Environment frequently suboptimal
ABGs
Who do you want?
• Most experienced, skilled and expert
Of the 36 ways of
avoiding disaster in ICU
echo, running away is
the best …
Reality?
ALL RIGHT: BUT APART FROM
THE SANITATION
THE MEDICINE
EDUCATION
WINE
PUBLIC ORDER
IRRIGATION
ROADS
THE FRESH-WATER SYSTEM
AND PUBLIC HEALTH
WHAT HAVE THE ROMANS EVER DONE FOR US?
What do the cardiologists say?
“The real benefit to the patient [of echocardiography] is not the technical skill, but rather
the application of intellectual input…. information, communication and teamwork are
essential (Jos Roelandt, 1993)”
“from an ethical point of view, emergency echo should be
performed by anyone who is adequately trained….
with the necessary knowledge used thoughtfully, correctly and
with care” (EACVI, 2014)
“ It is strongly recommended that all cardiologists….complete an additional training
programme consisting in interpreting/reporting….echocardiographic examinations in
critical or life-saving scenarios, in order to further improve technical skills and build
experience….For non-cardiologists the requirements are essentially the same” (ESC
EACVI/ACCA, 2015)
Lancellotti P, Price S, Edvardsen T et al.,
Eur Heart J Cardiovasc Imaging. 2015 Feb;16(2):119-46
Different viewpoints – same situation – coming together?
Intensivist-delivered echo:
dangerous in the wrong
hands?
Susanna Price
Cardiologist & Intensivist
Royal Brompton Hospital
Intensive care echo:
dangerous in the wrong
hands
Susanna Price
Cardiologist & Intensivist
Royal Brompton Hospital
..that one day all critically ill patients who might benefit
from the intelligent application and interpretation of
echocardiography will do so…

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Intensivist-delivered echo: dangerous in the wrong hands? - Price

  • 1. Intensivist-delivered echo: dangerous in the wrong hands? Susanna Price Cardiologist & Intensivist Royal Brompton Hospital
  • 3. Intensivist-delivered echo: dangerous in the wrong hands? Susanna Price Cardiologist & Intensivist Royal Brompton Hospital
  • 4. What is this discussion really about?
  • 5. Repeated studies, out of hours, timely manner Training and education – echo and intensive care? Lack of availability of cardiologists?
  • 6. focused cardiac ultrasound vs comprehensive echo High-end vs miniaturised machine Limited/full range of advanced techniques? Different “weapons”
  • 7. Time required for the study?
  • 8. What if something is missed/misinterpreted?
  • 10. inability to compromise on point of principle? Ownership?
  • 11. The very best: for optimal patient care and safety What this discussion is really about….
  • 12. 1971: first real-time 2D scanner 1983: 3D echocardiography 1988: intravascular ultrasound
  • 13. ©FEEL-UK b. Physiologya. Monitoring c. Perfusion Pitfalls Echocardiography in the critically ill? d. Anatomy
  • 14. ER, ICU, anaesthesia Penetrating trauma, blunt trauma Postcardiotomy due to cardiac surgery Hypotension, shock of unknown origin Unconsciousness, unresponsiveness Acute severe dyspnoea Syncope in young adults Vein thrombosis Acute myocardial infarction (AMI)), mechanical complications of AMI Atypical chest pain: suspected aortic dissection, suspected aortic abdominal or thoracic aneurysm, nontraumatic cardiac rupture Iatrogenic complications because of invasive procedures (e.g. Insertion of an artificial pacemaker, pulmonary artery catheter, electrophysiologic investigative procedures) Great vessel disease Cardiac Arrest: Pulseless electrical activity Suspected cardiac tamponade Early detection of ROSC Bradycardia-asystole, pacemaker-ECG Performance of CPR Effectiveness of chest compressions Hypotension, adaptation of vasopressors ICU Systolic function and regional wall motion abnormalities Diastolic function Hypovolemia and volume responsiveness Tamponade and pericardial disease The sepsis syndromes Effects of pre-load and afterload and assessment of filling status Acute cor pulmonale Hypoxemia Complications of acute MI Chest trauma Assessment of shock Failure to wean from mechanical ventilation Hemodynamic measurements Anaesthesia Cardiac surgery Intraoperative TOE and epicardial echocardiography Postoperative assessment on the ICU (TOE and TTE) surgery-specific general Non-cardiac surgery Intraoperative high-risk cases Systolic function and regional wall motion abnormalities Hypovolemia and volume responsiveness Effects of pre-load and afterload and assessment of filling status Hemodynamic measurements Potential scope of critical echocardiography
  • 17. Setting the scene… Patient-centred care – critical care without walls Environment frequently suboptimal
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  • 20. ABGs
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  • 22. Who do you want? • Most experienced, skilled and expert
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  • 24. Of the 36 ways of avoiding disaster in ICU echo, running away is the best … Reality?
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  • 30. ALL RIGHT: BUT APART FROM THE SANITATION THE MEDICINE EDUCATION WINE PUBLIC ORDER IRRIGATION ROADS THE FRESH-WATER SYSTEM AND PUBLIC HEALTH WHAT HAVE THE ROMANS EVER DONE FOR US?
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  • 32. What do the cardiologists say? “The real benefit to the patient [of echocardiography] is not the technical skill, but rather the application of intellectual input…. information, communication and teamwork are essential (Jos Roelandt, 1993)” “from an ethical point of view, emergency echo should be performed by anyone who is adequately trained…. with the necessary knowledge used thoughtfully, correctly and with care” (EACVI, 2014) “ It is strongly recommended that all cardiologists….complete an additional training programme consisting in interpreting/reporting….echocardiographic examinations in critical or life-saving scenarios, in order to further improve technical skills and build experience….For non-cardiologists the requirements are essentially the same” (ESC EACVI/ACCA, 2015) Lancellotti P, Price S, Edvardsen T et al., Eur Heart J Cardiovasc Imaging. 2015 Feb;16(2):119-46
  • 33. Different viewpoints – same situation – coming together?
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  • 35. Intensivist-delivered echo: dangerous in the wrong hands? Susanna Price Cardiologist & Intensivist Royal Brompton Hospital
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  • 38. Intensive care echo: dangerous in the wrong hands Susanna Price Cardiologist & Intensivist Royal Brompton Hospital
  • 39. ..that one day all critically ill patients who might benefit from the intelligent application and interpretation of echocardiography will do so…

Editor's Notes

  1. Shortest debate ever …..?
  2. Shortest debate ever …..?
  3. Not suggesting at all set up to fail!
  4. Lawrence of Arabia (1962): voted "best British film of all time" in August 2004 by a London Sunday Telegraph poll of Britain's leading filmmakers.[346] (See also: Epic above
  5. First real time 2D scanner in 1971
  6. In the critical setting, echocardiography has been developed as a: a. Monitor (PA catheterisation CO data vs TOE data) In the critical setting, echocardiography has been developed as a: Monitor (PA catheterisation CO data vs TOE data – showing good correlation – upper left graph) Physiological investigation (upper right graph showing (y axis) LAP left atrial pressure vs (x axis) IVRT isovolumic relaxation time – which shortens as the LAP increases, crossing the y axis at a point where at an LAP of 30, IVRT approximates to zero) – (study done with or without beta blockers) Tool for assessment of perfusion (AMI in bottom left image showing dark area of non-perfused myocardium in the anterior wall right side of image compared with normal perfusion left side of image) Become more accessible with progressive minaturisation of devices Improved resolution and 3D imaging improved understanding of anatomy
  7. This slide therefore shows the total potential scope of critical echocardiography The only training and accreditation which is implemented internationally is shown in red – namely intraoperative trans-oesophageal and epicardial echocardiography. The remainder of applications are variably well-defined and taught.
  8. For the next 15 minutes, I am going to take you away from your comfort zone
  9. First – step, where is the patient – frequently suboptimal
  10. And welcome you to my world – where you will be asked to make complex decisions, under huge time pressure – kit you don’t know, huge amounts of inotropic support, catastrhopic complications you want to avoid/detect – super-low CO states… and all with high amount of pressure and complexity…. And definite risk/uncertainty
  11. For the next 15 minutes, I am going to take you away from your comfort zone
  12. Most basic machine
  13. But don’t panic….this is not the best approach…
  14. different viewpoints on the same situation coming together
  15. Shortest debate ever …..?
  16. Shortest debate ever …..?