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May 25, 2016 19:21
May 25, 2016 21:09
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Request #8225465
Difference in Proposed Rate and Rate
Displayed in Reports & Profile
Yogesh Bailwal
I've been working on project "Need experienced SEM to
help with ranking Microsites by zip code" for which I've proposed $9.99/hr
i.e. $8.99 credited to my account.
But I've found that all reports and my profile are displaying this as 6 hours @
$7.00/hr instead of 6 hours @ $9.99/hr
This is not only effecting my future rates but also my earnings from current
job.
Please look into this matter and let me know what is wrong with the system.
Regards,
Yogesh Bailwal
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Maria Fe V.
Good day! Glad you reached out to us about your contract concern. I am
here to assist you on this matter.
After checking, I found that you are engaged in an hourly contract with
Client, Kenny M (Contract ID 16383699 – Need experienced SEM to help with
ranking Microsites by zip code). This contract is under your agency, Infoweb
Services.
I looked into the offer details, which you accepted on May 13. It showed that
hourly rate is $7.00/hour. Please see this screenshot for your reference,
http://prntscr.com/b8b2mm (http://prntscr.com/b8b2mm)
You may view this on your end on this link,
https://www.upwork.com/offer/3580893 (https://www.upwork.com/offer/3580893)
We highly encourage you to reach out to your Client and have this clarified.
If this is not the rate you both agreed on, he can easily change it on his end.
I hope this helps. If I can be of further assistance, please reply to re-open this
request, and I will be happy to help!
Have a nice day!
Yogesh Bailwal submitted this
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May 25, 2016 21:43
May 26, 2016 01:31
May 26, 2016 13:20
Regards,
Maria
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Yogesh Bailwal
Hi Maria,
I've re-verified the proposal, offer etc. and will like to reconfirm that my
proposal as well as profile rate are $9.99 only as I haven't worked at a rate
below this.
The proposal for the Contract ID 16383699 too was at the above rate and as
far as I know and as per my discussions with the client we never discussed
the rate and therefore its a mistake caused by system.
Why should I discuss this matter with the client now when rate was never an
issue between us and I never expected to get changed automatically.
Is it possible for the client to change the proposed rate without asking the
freelancer or the agency.
The screenshot of the offer which shows the rate is not available to me (I'm
attaching a screenshot) and therefore isn't a part of the offer I accepted, I
only accepted the offer on the rate I proposed.
So, please don't mark this ticket as resolved until rate and payment is
corrected.
I never expected this to happen and do not agree with your suggestion to
reach out to client when, it has nothing to do with the client but its a mistake
caused by system.
Looking forward in hope that the mistake created by system is identified and
this issue is resolved at the earliest.
Regards,
Yogesh Bailwal
Ὄ upworkrateoffer.jpg
(https://support.upwork.com/attachments/token/1iqUJBhxptnnomlNBOhOGt7KZ/?name=upwork
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Maria Fe V.
Hello Yogesh,
Thank you for your continued patience and cooperation. We are currently
looking into this issue for you. We will let you know as we have an update.
Please update this ticket by replying to this email at any time with additional
information you feel will be useful. It is important to keep everything
consolidated into a single ticket to be certain those working on it have all the
details.
Thank you,
Upwork Customer Support
Yogesh Bailwal
Hello Maria,
There is nothing left to be added on my part, I've already supplied all the
relevant information which I hope is enough to understand the problems and
its cause as well as to reach a solution.
I can only add that this has actually shattered my faith in Upwork system, as
now I'll have to re-check everything manually, which was otherwise obvious.
I also feel that if this error recurs for other Upwork Users it can result in a
serious problem.
Right now I understand and hope that things will be resolved shortly as the
source of the problem obviously lies in a specific module of system coding.
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May 26, 2016 18:05
May 26, 2016 22:21
May 27, 2016 00:02
Regards,
Yogesh B.
Maria Fe V.
Hello Yogesh,
Thanks for patiently waiting.
Plesase know that your concern was escalated to the proper department for
review. As advised, there was no bug with the offer. Records show that your
Client sent you a job offer with $7.00/hour rate. Please know that when
Clients send a job offer, they fill out a form in which option to edit hourly rate
is available. Please see sample form, http://prntscr.com/b8n8z9. They added
that if agreed amount was $9.99 and the offer you accepted was $7.00 only,
this rate can be easily altered on their end.
To better assist you, I can go ahead and reach out to your Client to clarify
your hourly rate on the said contract. Please advise if you want to us to
proceed on this.
As to your other concern, since you were hired under your Agency, you may
view the contract details. To view this on your end, select your Agency
profile>My Jobs>Click on the Palo Digital contract title
Please see this screenshot, http://prntscr.com/b8nja7 (http://prntscr.com/b8nja7)
We are asking for your continued patience. We’d be glad to hear from you
soon.
Regards,
Maria
Yogesh Bailwal
Hello Maria,
I can understand that client can edit hourly rate, but it wasn't bought to my
notice or I wasn't asked whether I was comfortable with the proposed rate.
Now, after working on the task and discussing the same with the client, it is
not possible to discuss this issue.
The rates will be permanently listed on both profiles as agency/freelancer.
I'll definitely like you to reach out to client to clarify hourly rate.
In the mean time I'll like to know whether its my mistake and why should I
accept the rate that neither I've proposed nor accepted(knowingly) as it
wasn't clearly defined anywhere.
And why should I get a rate listed on my profile with which I'm not
comfortable right now as it isn't what I suppose to have accepted.
Regards,
Yogesh
Maria Fe V.
Hi Yogesh,
Appreciate the response.
Please know that a notification has been sent to your Client asking for
clarification on the contract’s hourly rate. Rest assured that I would reach
out to you as soon as I get a word from him.
Your continued patience is highly appreciated.
Regards,
Maria

May 27, 2016 18:31
May 28, 2016 02:01
Maria
Yogesh Bailwal
No problem.
I only need to understand that when I proposed a rate and even after
discussions client never said anything about the rate or he needs to decrease
that.
When I accepted the offer, by no mean was it bought to my notice (that rates
have been decreased).
I accepted the offer because I was comfortable with the rates I have
proposed and accepted the same as nothing was explicitly bought to my
notice at that time.
Only when I completed about approx. 6 hours, I discovered that the rates
were changed both in reports and profile (which I initially thought was part
of your new commission rates), but when I looked at things seriously I
discovered that you only need to deduct 10% out of $9.99 which means
crediting $8.99 in my account.
Now, you are asking the client for clarification, which isn't a problem for me.
May be client hadn't had changed the rate, yet he may have seen reports
showing a lower hourly rate, which are supposedly not a problem for a client
but a sign of a better deal. So, his reply will also have these components.
I only need an explanation, that why was I kept in dark (if its not a system
error), why wasn't I explicitly told that rates have been decreased (if they
are) and is it ok to you?
Regards,
Yogesh B
Maria Fe V.
Hi Yogesh,
Good day! It is understandable that you wanted a clarification as to why
contract rate is different from what you have on your profile. I am sure that
your Client could provide us information to settle any uncertainties.
Please note though that by design, once a Client sends a job offer to a
freelancer, it is a prerequisite that they review all the details. They could take
three actions:
•They could accept the offer, and the hire is complete.
•They could decline the offer and withdraw their proposal.
•They could message the Client to discuss alternative terms e.g. contract
rates, weekly limit, etc.
If your Client agrees to modify the contract rate to $9.99/hour, this can be
easily done on his end. Changing the rate will end the current contract and
start a new one automatically. All other terms and details will be identical.
For now, we are asking for your continued patience while we wait for your
Client’s response. Rest assured that I would reach out to you once I receive a
word from him.
I'm going to tentatively mark this ticket as Pending as I wanted to make sure
that I am able to assist fully you on resolving this issue.
Have a nice day.
Regards,
Maria

May 28, 2016 10:19
May 30, 2016 02:31
May 30, 2016 13:45
Yogesh Bailwal
Hi Maria,
I understand all the things that you've mentioned above and I am not asking
my client anything regarding the rate as it was never a part of our
discussions and nor was I told that job offer is offered at a lower rate.
Even the Upwork system didn't brought this to my notice and this
information wasn't available to me. I only discovered it after complete my
task and working for hours, out of which I've only claimed 6 hours.
Now, I'm not asking to change rate now but I am asking how and when the
rates changed and who will bear the loss of this mistake.
If you say that I've accepted the offer at $7.00 instead of $9.99, you'll have to
prove this as well as that I was aware (had explicitly accepted this new rate).
I'm spending more time on clarifying my stand in this support ticket then
actually working for my clients as well as earning some money.
So, please don't take it lightly, its a serious matter.
Waiting for your response.
Regards,
Yogesh Bailwal
Jacquelyn R.
Hi Yogesh,
Thank you for your response.
I apologize for the confusion that this has caused you. Let me explain this
further for you. Bidding jobs would change from time to time specially the
rate. When you send a bid, it will automatically show your profile rate, but
Clients has options to change your proposed rate when they send you and
offer. The offer rate will be the basis of your contract rate. Not all offer should
be accepted immediately if you found the rate inappropriate as offers will be
created into a contract.
Kindly check the offer you accepted personally,
https://www.upwork.com/offer/3580893 (https://www.upwork.com/offer/3580893)
which created your current contract. It should be your obligation to review
offers before accepting it. Thus, if you find the contract rate inappropriate,
don't hesitate to contact your Client so you could arrive at the same
expectations.
Hope this has addressed your concern. Please let me know if I can be of
additional assistance in the meantime. I will be happy to help.
Regards,
Jacquelyn
Yogesh Bailwal
Hi Jacquelyn,
Well, I understand all the things stated by you but I'm sorry to say that I was
not alerted about the change in rate, it was never a part of our discussion
with client.
Now, you are asking me to check the offer I've accepted personally, well I've
definitely opened the offer link then and even after creating this support
ticket a number of times.
I've myself attached the screenshot of offer I accepted
https://www.upwork.com/offer/3580893 (https://www.upwork.com/offer/3580893), in
this support ticket on Wednesday at 21:43 and have clearly stated that "The
screenshot of the offer which shows the rate is not available to me (I'm
attaching a screenshot) and therefore isn't a part of the offer I accepted, I
only accepted the offer on the rate I proposed." (5th para).

May 30, 2016 21:20
June 01, 2016 20:53
June 01, 2016 20:54
Now, you've inserted the hourly rate row, which wasn't otherwise visible. I've
been keeping a daily record of this and was aware that it has been modified
but didn't knew that you would later claim it as such.
I'm really very sorry, you are actually tossing with the reputation of the
Upwork.com, you cannot blame anyone for a mistake in your system.
I'm no more interested in pursuing this ticket at this level, where I'm just
wasting my time and efforts to prove something which is a fact and is also in
your knowledge but you're simply not admitting it.
Here is the screenshot of the offer, which has been modified to show Hourly
Rate now and didn't existed originally at the time when I accepted it or even
after that until I let you know and you modified it.
Regards,
Yogesh Bailwal
Ὄ upworkrateoffermodified1.jpg
(https://support.upwork.com/attachments/token/anzqzXtngT4duqxpx0tseRzYj/?name=upwork
rateoffermodified1.jpg) (80 KB)
Jacquelyn R.
Hi Yogesh,
I have seek advise on your concern and our Engineering Team has confirmed
that it is by design that Clients can send offer differently from your proposed
rate. They have also investigated and there is no known issue that causes the
rate to change from our end.
Hope this has addressed your concern. Please let me know if you require any
additional assistance. I will be happy to help.
Regards,
Jacquelyn
Yogesh Bailwal
Hi Jacquelyn,
1 Well, I've had uploaded an image and am uploading two images below, I'll
like you to tell me which one existed at the time I accepted the offer and
which one exists now.
2 I'll also like you to tell me whether the changes that have been marked
actually carried out by your team or not.
3 Who is responsible for the rate, which have been published on my profile
for the current project.
4 How can these be changed and who will pay for the difference in the rate
which I accepted (intentionally as well as in fact) and which are credited.
Please let me know the above as this ticket will not be resolved until things
are admitted honestly.
Regards,
Yogesh
Yogesh Bailwal
Here are the screen shot of the
https://www.upwork.com/offer/3580893 (https://www.upwork.com/offer/3580893) of
the offer, over a period of time.
Ὄ upworkrateoffermodified1.jpg
(https://support.upwork.com/attachments/token/Hj7oX9xIxecBf9n9OA8lvxGyu/?name=upwork
rateoffermodified1.jpg) (80 KB)
(https://support.upwork.com/attachments/token/OSFoGGePFqFkPSESCLtYZBARQ/?

June 02, 2016 23:38
June 03, 2016 22:21
Saturday at 20:38
(https://support.upwork.com/attachments/token/OSFoGGePFqFkPSESCLtYZBARQ/?
name=upworkrateoffer.jpg) (70 KB)
Jacquelyn R.
Hi Yogesh,
I appreciate your effort in sending this screen shot. Let me explain this
further for you. An Agency Freelancer has no access to the contract price.
That is why when you view the offer link using your Freelancer account, you
are not seeing any amount but if you view it under your Agency account, the
amount will show. Kindly check this screen shot below:
http://prntscr.com/bbjfwf (http://prntscr.com/bbjfwf)
http://prntscr.com/bbjgp (http://prntscr.com/bbjgp7)
I have also checked your messages and your Client has confirmed that he has
sent you an offer of $7/hour. Hope this has addressed your concern. Feel free
to contact us anytime you needed further assistance.
Regards,
Jacquelyn
Yogesh Bailwal
Hi Jacquelyn,
Thanks, you are making every effort to prove I'm wrong.
Each time your support is trying to twist and turn. Now, you've added
another version, without actually replying to my queries listed in points for
your convenience.
Well, now can you tell me which of the two images is real ( upwork-rate-
offer-modified1.jpg (80 KB) or upwork-rate-offer.jpg (70 KB)) as both of
them can't exist for a freelancer.
It is really ridiculous that even after 9 days your team doesn't seem to be
interested in resolving this issue, instead they are more interested in closing
it by putting the blame of the person who initiated the support.
If this is your final reply then let me know, I'll publish this matter and will ask
people to decide what's right and what's wrong.
I'll also like to ask to compensate for the time I've wasted in all this in the last
9 days.
You cannot play like this with the sentiments and career of anyone, do you
think I'm a person with a caliber of $7 hourly (much less then $6 in reality)
payment.
Please note you're forcing me to seek help outside upwork system
unnecessarily and if I have to I'll use all efforts to get justice.
If you are serious then please reply to all the queries I have, without actually
trying to exploit me.
Regards,
Yogesh Bailwal
Jacquelyn R.
Hi Yogesh,
I am deeply sorry for the frustration that this has caused you. This is not to
put the blame on your end. I am here helping you clarify the real situation.
Based on our investigation, you probably missed the part where the offer has
an amount when you were accessing the offer form your Freelancer. It is by

Monday at 18:32
Wednesday at 21:56
Yesterday at 18:38
an amount when you were accessing the offer form your Freelancer. It is by
design that Agency Freelancer has no access to the contract price only the
Agency owner.
Hope this has addressed your concern. Feel free to contact us anytime you
needed further assistance.
Regards,
Jacquelyn
Yogesh Bailwal
Hi Jacquelyn,
It seems as if I've failed to clearly raise and explain the issue or you have
missed that time and again.
Its ok, Agency freelancer has no access to contract price only the Agency
owner.
I haven't raised the ticket to understand this.
ok, now asking you this as an Agency Owner.
I just want to know how did you intimate the freelancer or the agency owner
that the proposed contract price has been changed by client.
Asking someone to work at a rate which is far below his/her proposed rate
without his/her explicit consent, doesn't seems like exploitation. Taking
advantage of the situation.
How can you hope to address my concern, when the basic thing for which
this ticket was raise is still unresolved.
Please take a look at why I initiated this support ticket.
Regards,
Yogesh
Yogesh Bailwal
Looking forward for amiable solution.
Jacquelyn R.
Hi Yogesh,
I am sorry that you feel that you are being exploited in this situation. Let me
explain this further for you. When a Client sends you an offer, you have 3
options:
1. You could accept the offer, and the hire is complete.
2. You could decline your offer and withdraw their proposal.
3. You could message you to discuss alternative terms.
You may want to review this link for additional information,
https://support.upwork.com/hc/enus/articles/211063618
(https://support.upwork.com/hc/enus/articles/211063618). Kindly use your Client
account in viewing this link. Checking further as well, I see in your
conversation that Client is aware that he made an offer in $7/hour, as shown
here, http://prntscr.com/be9y9c (http://prntscr.com/be9y9c) . Your client also
posted the job at $7/hour as per your client, http://prntscr.com/bea011
(http://prntscr.com/bea011) .
When Clients make an offer, the system cannot change it unless the Client
change it. In this link, https://support.upwork.com/hc/enus/articles/211067598
(https://support.upwork.com/hc/enus/articles/211067598), it is stated that
"Business managers can submit a proposal on behalf of any agency
freelancer. They can edit or withdraw all agency proposals and accept or
decline all offers."
Hope this has clarify your concern. Feel free to contact us anytime you
needed assistance.

Yesterday at 19:27
Yesterday at 23:35
Yesterday at 23:59
Today at 02:52
Regards,
Jacquelyn
Yogesh Bailwal
Hi Jacquelyn,
I know all the three 1,2,3 of when a Client sends an offer.
The conversation that you've mentioned took place only after this ticket was
created and you informed the client about it. We never discussed this either
before this or after this.
I'm not saying that client cannot change the rate and your system changed it.
I was assuming that may be your system have had some problem as I was not
told that the rate was decreased by approx. $3
I simply want to know whether you've explicitly let me know that the rate
have been changed or not.
That's all.
Regards,
Yogesh B
Jacquelyn R.
Hi Yogesh,
There is no instance that our system changed your proposed rate. The offer is
sent separately and it will not depend on your proposed rate, this will depend
on what the Client will have to offer. Your proposed rate is just a mere basis
for Clients in sending offers. The offer should be your discussion with Client.
When you see that offer, and you have withdrawn it due to low rate, then the
Client would send another offer until you accept it. And the offer itself is
letting you know that the offer rate has decreased.
Feel free to contact us anytime you needed additional assistance.
Regards,
Jacquelyn
Yogesh Bailwal
Hi Jacquelyn,
I simply want to know whether you've explicitly let me know that the rate
have been changed or not.
That's all.
Regards,
Yogesh B
Jacquelyn R.
Hi Yogesh,
Yes, you are notified about the offer (http://prntscr.com/begp02)
(http://prntscr.com/begp02)and details are very clear on the offer page
(http://prntscr.com/begpcl (http://prntscr.com/begpcl)). Please bare in mind that
proposed rate is different from offer rate and it is sensible to review offers

Today at 13:39
Today at 17:21
Today at 17:57
proposed rate is different from offer rate and it is sensible to review offers
before accepting it.
Please let me know if you require any additional assistance. I will be happy to
help.
Regards,
Jacquelyn
Yogesh Bailwal
Hi Jacquelyn,
I haven't denied that I was notified about the offer (http://prntscr.com/begp02
(http://prntscr.com/begp02)) but I do deny that details were clear on the offer
page (http://prntscr.com/begpcl (http://prntscr.com/begpcl)) or were notified to
me explicitly.
The offer that I actually accepted can viewed in attached screenshot(upwork-
rate-offer.jpg) which obviously wasn't displaying the rate at that time (and
was later modified & rate column inserted).
Personally I don't have any problem with you so please don't mind, you're
doing your duty and I'm asking for justice and my right.
If you still feel that I haven't been sensible to review the offer before
accepting it and didn't noticed that the offer rate was different from the rate
I proposed. I simply deny this as I've already attached the screenshot of the
fact that existed at that time.
Are you denying the authenticity of the screenshots I've provided.
Regards,
Yogesh
(https://support.upwork.com/attachments/token/n5Bdnel2NQ23aHYsEyxUfYRW4/?name=upwork
rateoffer.jpg) (70 KB)
Jacquelyn R.
Hi Yogesh,
I really appreciate your clarification on this matter and I clearly see your view.
I will consider this as a suggestion about our platform.
Please feel free to leave your feedback and/or suggestions in the feedback
box, which is located at the bottom of nearly every Upwork page, while
logged into your account. Simply scroll to the bottom and click the
"feedback" link. The information will then be forwarded to the Product
Management team for consideration.
We also encourage you to share your topics in our Community Forum,
located at http://community.Upwork.com/ (http://community.Upwork.com/). This
allows the whole community to see it and discuss their thoughts. With
feature suggestions especially, it is often helpful getting input from the entire
community.
We appreciate your contributions toward the success of our marketplace,
and please let us know if we can be of additional assistance.
Thank you,
Jacquelyn
Yogesh Bailwal
Hi Jacquelyn,

Thanks for the support but the matter is still unresolved, please let me know
whether I can escalate the matter at a higher level at Upwork. I know you've
your limitation and have to work within the prescribed limits.
I'll also consider your suggestion to forward this matter to Product
Management Team as well as the community.
I have had no intention to create any problem for anyone and therefore didn't
even reported this matter anywhere without actually seeking help honestly.
Now, it seems as if all doors have closed as simple things which are obviously
visible aren't even admitted even after the passage of 15 days. I'm not
blaming anyone personally but the system responsible for overlooking the
truth in order to perform duties professionally.
I wasn't expecting this from Odesk/Upwork and even now I'm able to see
hope.
If possible I'll like your support manager to give a suitable reply to my last
update of this support ticket.
"I was notified about the offer (http://prntscr.com/begp02
(http://prntscr.com/begp02)) but I do deny that details were clear on the offer
page (http://prntscr.com/begpcl (http://prntscr.com/begpcl)) or were notified to
me explicitly.
The offer that I actually accepted can viewed in attached screenshot(upwork-
rate-offer.jpg) which obviously wasn't displaying the rate at that time (and
was later modified & rate column inserted)."
Regards,
Yogesh
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