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David Hindle
Switching from 1P to 3P
PART 2
Background
• 15 years online account management experience
• 10 years with Amazon as a direct (1P) vendor
Why switch from 1P to
3P/Hybrid?
What does that mean?
• 1P = direct supplier to Amazon
• 2P = sell directly on Amazon Marketplace
• 3P = sell through a 3rd party on the Marketplace
Hybrid = being both 1P and 2P
or 3P
The Pain of 1P
1P Terms
• “Terms can’t go backwards”
• You’ll never get back what you give away now
• Automatic Marketing
• Bids against you on Google Adwords
• ‘Damage Allowance’
• You pay for their shipping, handling, loss of and damage to your products
• Trading Terms are not negotiable
• Some of largest brands refuse to sign & still trade
• Terms are visible to every Amazon Vendor Manager across EU
• No opportunity to set different pricing or terms in each locale
The Pain of 1P
• Pricing
• You have no control of the sell price
• Extra Marketing Investment
• Amazon will annualise extra ‘one off’ investments
• Marketing is expensive and hard to pin down
benefits
• AMS works – But retail doesn’t really count that
investment
• Orders:
• Multiple orders for the same product for the
same FCs
• Multiple orders for the same FCs
• Below MOQs
The Pain of 1P
Vendor Central
Development Budget
Vendor Central Call Centre
The Pain of 1P
• Cost Price Increases
• Extremely hard – maybe if market-wide or you have key
product
• Always ask for same % reinvestment back into marketing
• = net 0 for you
• They may just refuse
• Resource Impacts:
• Processing orders
• Processing invoices, payments, PODs
• Warehouse pick costs
• E.g. Only 1 product per pallet – only 2 pallets in a stack
• Impact on bottom line
Benefit of 1P
• Direct contact with Vendor Manager
• You will get growth and insights
• They will help you invest more money to get more growth
• Access to senior category managers
• Access to key marketing initiatives for big launches
• Erm…
• Can be profitable if :
• You get pricing right at the beginning
• You manage your margins over growth
• You don’t let them bully you
DO NOT BECOME A
PURELY 1P VENDOR
Why 3P?
• You control your sell price
• No annual JBP
• Commission, FBA fees are fixed costs
• Access to same Amazon Advertising
• Fewer & optimised shipments to FCs
• Amazon compensate you for damages
• Seller Central gives more control
• Sell across Europe from one account
Shifting to Hybrid
Model- Objectives
• Maintain current sales via 1P
• Rejuvenate tail products
• Launch new products
• List across Europe, globally
• List products we don’t sell to
Amazon
• Gives us a walk-away position
Options
• DIY
• Starting from scratch
• Use Agency
• Faster time to market
• End to End service
• Cover channels other than Amazon
• Weekly reports
• Monthly shipment to Amazon
Working with An Agency
What we did:
1. Formed a project group
2. Set up regular calls
3. Sent small FBA order, former top 8, 4- 6 weeks stock
4. Used Amazon FBA label 15p each
5. Updated content
6. Priced at RRP or price to win Buy Box
7. Created Amazon sponsored Ads
8. Agreed review after 4 weeks
Results
• 6/8 product booked in correctly
• 1 lost for 14 days – then ‘found’
• 1 lost for 5 days then booked in.
• 1 ASIN – case Qty. changed - contacted sellers
• Some went straight to Buy Box at RRP = adverts
= traffic = sales
• Others were suppressed – i.e. dead
• Took a few weeks to get Buy Box again
• After 4 weeks all suppressed ASINs were live
again and selling with increasing sales rates.
Results
• Lowered our admin overheads
• Sellers dropped away
• Lowered frustration!
• We made a higher net margin!
Learnings:
• Process was simpler than direct 1P
• Products at RRP or higher than old sell price
• Partner got sales going again of ‘dead’ ASINs
• WE decided to send replenishment and 10 more ASINs as 1 full pallet
of each
• No pick cost
• No pick errors
• Lower freight costs – 1 or 2 FCs
• FBA warehousing costs cheaper than our 3PL
• No chargebacks for missing items
• It works
Thank You!
Questions?
Can I Help You?
• Available for consultancy
• Amazon
• Channel Management
• Distribution
• Export
• Brand Protection
• Tel: 07912 286624
• Email:davidhindle1st@gmail.com
• Via LinkedIn

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Amafest October 2019, Amazon Switching from 1P to 3P

  • 1. David Hindle Switching from 1P to 3P PART 2
  • 2. Background • 15 years online account management experience • 10 years with Amazon as a direct (1P) vendor
  • 3. Why switch from 1P to 3P/Hybrid?
  • 4. What does that mean? • 1P = direct supplier to Amazon • 2P = sell directly on Amazon Marketplace • 3P = sell through a 3rd party on the Marketplace Hybrid = being both 1P and 2P or 3P
  • 5. The Pain of 1P 1P Terms • “Terms can’t go backwards” • You’ll never get back what you give away now • Automatic Marketing • Bids against you on Google Adwords • ‘Damage Allowance’ • You pay for their shipping, handling, loss of and damage to your products • Trading Terms are not negotiable • Some of largest brands refuse to sign & still trade • Terms are visible to every Amazon Vendor Manager across EU • No opportunity to set different pricing or terms in each locale
  • 6. The Pain of 1P • Pricing • You have no control of the sell price • Extra Marketing Investment • Amazon will annualise extra ‘one off’ investments • Marketing is expensive and hard to pin down benefits • AMS works – But retail doesn’t really count that investment • Orders: • Multiple orders for the same product for the same FCs • Multiple orders for the same FCs • Below MOQs
  • 7. The Pain of 1P Vendor Central Development Budget Vendor Central Call Centre
  • 8. The Pain of 1P • Cost Price Increases • Extremely hard – maybe if market-wide or you have key product • Always ask for same % reinvestment back into marketing • = net 0 for you • They may just refuse • Resource Impacts: • Processing orders • Processing invoices, payments, PODs • Warehouse pick costs • E.g. Only 1 product per pallet – only 2 pallets in a stack • Impact on bottom line
  • 9. Benefit of 1P • Direct contact with Vendor Manager • You will get growth and insights • They will help you invest more money to get more growth • Access to senior category managers • Access to key marketing initiatives for big launches • Erm… • Can be profitable if : • You get pricing right at the beginning • You manage your margins over growth • You don’t let them bully you
  • 10. DO NOT BECOME A PURELY 1P VENDOR
  • 11. Why 3P? • You control your sell price • No annual JBP • Commission, FBA fees are fixed costs • Access to same Amazon Advertising • Fewer & optimised shipments to FCs • Amazon compensate you for damages • Seller Central gives more control • Sell across Europe from one account
  • 12. Shifting to Hybrid Model- Objectives • Maintain current sales via 1P • Rejuvenate tail products • Launch new products • List across Europe, globally • List products we don’t sell to Amazon • Gives us a walk-away position
  • 13. Options • DIY • Starting from scratch • Use Agency • Faster time to market • End to End service • Cover channels other than Amazon • Weekly reports • Monthly shipment to Amazon
  • 14. Working with An Agency
  • 15. What we did: 1. Formed a project group 2. Set up regular calls 3. Sent small FBA order, former top 8, 4- 6 weeks stock 4. Used Amazon FBA label 15p each 5. Updated content 6. Priced at RRP or price to win Buy Box 7. Created Amazon sponsored Ads 8. Agreed review after 4 weeks
  • 16. Results • 6/8 product booked in correctly • 1 lost for 14 days – then ‘found’ • 1 lost for 5 days then booked in. • 1 ASIN – case Qty. changed - contacted sellers • Some went straight to Buy Box at RRP = adverts = traffic = sales • Others were suppressed – i.e. dead • Took a few weeks to get Buy Box again • After 4 weeks all suppressed ASINs were live again and selling with increasing sales rates.
  • 17. Results • Lowered our admin overheads • Sellers dropped away • Lowered frustration! • We made a higher net margin!
  • 18. Learnings: • Process was simpler than direct 1P • Products at RRP or higher than old sell price • Partner got sales going again of ‘dead’ ASINs • WE decided to send replenishment and 10 more ASINs as 1 full pallet of each • No pick cost • No pick errors • Lower freight costs – 1 or 2 FCs • FBA warehousing costs cheaper than our 3PL • No chargebacks for missing items • It works
  • 21. Can I Help You? • Available for consultancy • Amazon • Channel Management • Distribution • Export • Brand Protection • Tel: 07912 286624 • Email:davidhindle1st@gmail.com • Via LinkedIn