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Semantic web user interfaces - Do they have to be ugly?

by CTO at Zemanta on Jun 23, 2010

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Presentation at Semantic Tech Conference 2010

Presentation at Semantic Tech Conference 2010
On lack of good frameworks, good UI libraries, etc.

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  • pcgowan Paul Gowan First of all, the semantic web is part of an attempt at artificial intelligence for computers. It's a kind of computer language in which computers agree on the meaning of terms and can make inferences. It allows automation of data submission to regulatory authorities etc. The Semantic Web is currently like DOS and R primarily because programmers are involved and are satisfied with command language models of interaction. How should one design an interface for a cognitive companion? The presenter has missed the whole point of the purpose of the semantic web. DOS, starter cranks. ignition buttons, clutches and gear shifts were also ugly. 11 months ago
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  • jzaveri Jyotindra Zaveri, Trainer and Consultant at DNS Is SemWeb the beginning of the Web 3.0 or Is it the other way around ? 1 year ago
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  • nchauvat nchauvat If you are looking for a (killer?) semantic web framework, please try CubicWeb http://www.cubicweb.org/ that we have been developping since 2001 and has been for several years in production on intranets in several large french companies and several public web sites. License is LGPL.

    Help get the word out if you like it, many people keep buzzing about Django, but this was designed from the ground up to be a semantic web framework that would use an ontology at its core and provides both html/user and rdf/machine interfaces.
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  • zaziki Bo Ferri, Philosophical Engineer at SMI @Andraz Tori:

    > If you just change mysql with some triple store and keep the full stack exactly the same, have you > gained anything at all?

    No, then I live probably in my still closed world of my own database. However, I like to open the door to a distributed interlinked knowledge base, which does not only consists of its database schema, but furthermore of interlinked semantic graphs, where I can derive more knowledge automatically as it is possible with the database schema of your MySQL database.

    > The only reason to use the semweb tools is if they solve very specific problems that other tools
    > haven’t solved yet, otherwise why switch from being a classical web developer to semweb
    > developer?

    So I don't want to solve only a simple use case problem, I want to solve this use case problem and leave the door open to solve many more other (maybe currently still unknown) problems.

    Finally, I 'm still thinking that this presentation might a kind of eye-opener for the participating developer types. Furthermore, I hope also that the web developers get out of their 'graying' stack of development technologies (Web 2.0! ;) ). Please look forward (Web 3.0 - damn buzz wording) and don't feel comfortable as it is. A rolling stone gathers no moss ;)=

    Cheers
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  • danbri Dan Brickley, Other at FOAF project, SpyPixel Ltd., misc. I enthusiastically agree that fully generic data browsers are a distraction. They are useful really only as a debugging tool, or as a 'raw data' view. Much like table views in MS Access, they are the view of last resort... we usually want custom tuned forms and reports and visualizations. But also I have to agree with another commenter - things aren't that bleak, because 'non-semweb' UI tools work fine with RDF data too. There aren't two separate universes. We certainly still have plenty of tool packaging work to do though, I spent a good chunk of last week trying to do some basic things in Javascript and failing... 3 years ago
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  • andraz Andraz Tori, CTO at Zemanta @bob ferris

    If you just change mysql with some triple store and keep the full stack exactly the same, have you gained anything at all?

    The only reason to use the semweb tools is if they solve very specific problems that other tools haven't solved yet, otherwise why switch from being a classical web developer to semweb developer?

    bye
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  • zaziki Bo Ferri, Philosophical Engineer at SMI I like the term 'architeture astronaut' ;)

    I think most of those web 2.0 tools on slide 46 are of course also useful for semantic web apps. People often don't see the connections. Semantic Web is only on the data level, so why not just apply a tool on top of that data level (Instead of using MySQL ;)= )?

    re. Facebook OGP: I still think, if they do a good mapping to well-established, already (somehow) well-defined specific domain ontologies (e.g. the Music Ontology ;) ), they will 'feel the whole power' (?) of the Semantic Web.

    'Not constraining yourself to specific use-cases is the greatest design in the Semantic Web, ever.' - Yes! - However, this is a very difficult issue to teach a person, who likes to see concrete use cases for proof-of-example concerns (okay, they will get a concrete use case from me, but I'm still thinking: 'it's only one use case you can solve with a knowledge base').

    Summing up, a very cool presentation. Maybe it glues now the different developer types a bit together. Everyone has to be openminded!

    Cheers
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  • iricelino Irene Celino, Semantic Web Senior Researcher at CEFRIEL - Politecnico di Milano I agree on any single word in this presentation... Semantic Web should learn a lot from Interaction Design.

    Maybe you could be interested in my work on the STAR:chart framework (site: http://bit.ly/d2LToV, presentation: http://bit.ly/dAUZ4A, paper: http://bit.ly/avbZGw).
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