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          Mainstream media caught red-handed in deleting unfavourable comments on MP Vikram
             March 5th, 2012 |       Author: Editorial

          A reader has sent this to TR Emeritus (TRE) requesting that the information be shared so that TRE readers can be the judge to see if our mainstream media has over-reacted in deleting netizen
          comments on their site.

          This occurred after ST published an article talking about PAP MP Vikram Nair’s unrelenting attacks on WP MP Chen Show Mao in Parliament on Wed (29 Feb). Vikram accused Mr Chen of scoring
          political points by repeatedly asking the Government to do more for vulnerable groups without acknowledging what had already been done. He even attacked Mr Chen’s proposals as being akin to a
          Nigerian money scam:




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          .

          Netizens were outraged at Vikram’s behaviour in Parliament and not surprisingly, many have posted comments following the above ST article condemning him.

          However, what’s interesting is that ST has been caught red-handed (thanks to the reader who sent us this info) in censoring such negative comments against Vikram, even though the comments were
          written quite sensibly. TRE readers can be the judge:




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          About 13 minutes later after alonzodapriest posted, his comments were deleted:

                alonzodapriest

                “I think many of us here have been working year in, year out, helping the vulnerable groups, and it is pretty hurtful coming from Mr Chen because he might have held this belief for a
                long time, but he came back only quite recently to help in this.”

                Such ad hominem arguments from nair is truly disappointing. Instead of discrediting chen by stating his recent participation in parliament, nair should have highlighted how pap has
                helped vulnerable groups in a manner that is so substantial that chen would be unreasonable to put forth his point on multiplying efforts to help vulnerable groups.

                Such a let down from someone who came from mckinsey. And as a further addition to my point, where was nair to ask where the SGD1.1 billion was coming from when it was to be
                spent purchasing more trains for private operators to make profits off?

                Let me give you a clue to where money to help vulnerable groups will come from. It’s the same source for where the train buying money is coming from. Do you really have to ask
                rhetorical questions in parliament?

                .




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          Then the comment from Jmm Limm was also deleted:

               Jmm Limm

               Vikram is narrowminded to think there MUST be only 2 ways 1) Higher tax 2) Budget deficits… even DPM Teo suggests otherwise (need creative ways to find more money)… what
               saddens me is to have a MP who bullies with sarcasms and insults – likening MP Chen’s proposal to render help to Singaporeans to Nigerian scams while forgetting that PAP ministers
               are MPs alike have for many years propose similar help packages etc. to Singaporeans. It is all right to ask where the money should come from… it is not all right to deliver the
               contents like a rogue.

               .




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          .

          The reader who sent us this info said, “It seems that ST is unable to accept the fact that people have negative comments about the ruling party. I was making comments on their articles and all of a
          sudden, I was banned and had all my comments deleted. They may argue that they found it offensive or something. So I decided to try to catch them in the act.”

          “Attached is 3 captures at 3 different times. You can clearly see that the new comments got deleted. Whether or not they are offensive, I’ll let the readers judge. It seems that they only want to help
          and see good things??”




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          You guys be the judge about the state of affairs regarding our mainstream media.

          .

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          67 Responses to “Mainstream media caught red-handed in deleting unfavourable comments on MP Vikram”

                 Steven:
                 March 5, 2012 at 1:17 am (Quote)

                 Can you please send the article to the following Yale university professors who continue to live in denial believing that SIN respect academic freedom ? If SIN can even do this publicly , how
                 about those OB marker and self-censorship in institution ?

                 “It is understandable that for a pioneering initiative like the Yale-NUS College, there may be a diversity of views on different issues,” said Lily Kong, vice president of university and global
                 relations for the National University of Singapore, in an e-mailed statement. “We believe that this discussion should lead to an even higher level of mutual understanding and respect, ultimately
                 making the college even more robust.”

                 http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-03/singapore-university-says-it-welcomes-discussion-with-yale.html

                 six sixty six:
                 March 5, 2012 at 1:21 am (Quote)

                 You people jolly well know all MSM here are quasi-government owned. And serve as a mouthpiece and propaganda tool for the PAP regime. If you wanted to made genuine comment, come to
                 TRE.

                 stop lying !!!:
                 March 5, 2012 at 1:25 am (Quote)

                 ST has long ago lost all credibility to stay neutral on political issues.
                 it has and will always be pap’s mouthpiece so long as the helmsman is appointed by papigs.

                 it’s good we are all aware of this and begin to open our minds with information and argument from social media platforms.

                 ST is no more than a propaganda tool for papigs to brainwash the population. they were very successful previously. but no more.

                 Lau Ter:
                 March 5, 2012 at 1:27 am (Quote)

                 All Singaporeans know long long ago that all these MSM are the PAP mouthpiece. It is an open secret. But it is still fun to catch them with their pants down. Maybe Yacob should suggest a
                 code of conduct for the MSM based on freedom of ideas, speech and professional journalism. Bravo TRE. Bodoh MSM.

                 Poor Retiree:



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               March 5, 2012 at 1:41 am (Quote)

               That’s why I’ve boycotted ST and no longer buy their papers. Who wants to read propaganda all the time?

               Even Censors Will Be Converted:
               March 5, 2012 at 1:41 am (Quote)

               Keep posting.

               Don’t give up.

               The PAP internet brigade has to read & understand before deleting your comments.

               When they read, they too will eventually be infected with the truth of what we are saying.

               Over time, they too will see the light & the truth.

               And another die hard Opposition voter is born.

               DOOMED !:
               March 5, 2012 at 1:44 am (Quote)

               Vikram is an IDIOT and a PUNK ! ! !

               He should be censored in Parliament for making wild accusations against Chen.

               Vikram is in my constituency and I did not and will not vote for this mad BABOON in all future elections ! ! !

               SimpleMind:
               March 5, 2012 at 2:05 am (Quote)

               This is no secret, certainly not to Reporters Without Borders which ranked Singapore at position 135 of the Press Freedom Index.

               To change the stance of the press, first we need to change the govt.

               nui nui:
               March 5, 2012 at 2:22 am (Quote)

               Tell Vikram the money will come from deduction of his Members of Parliament allowances to help the poor.

               Biased:
               March 5, 2012 at 2:24 am (Quote)

               Tremeritus, Can you confirm that you have NEVER deleted any comments on your website that are non offensive but Pro-Government?

               Pot calling kettle black.
               .
               Editor’s notes: In fact, we 100% welcome pro-establishment comments here. In our view, there is a severe lack of pro-establishment comments here in view of the fact that 60% have voted
               for the establishment The goal is to be able to reflect the ground situation as close as possible for all to see. Censorship tends to distort the reality. And like one bro here said, with views



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               present from both sides, you can have a healthy discussion and discourse.

               However, that’s not to say that we don’t censor. Those racist, seditious and defamatory comments that break the law will be dealt with accordingly. Would also like to appeal to our readers
               here to tone down on personal insults and name callings. Even if you don’t like the characters written in an article, there is no need to insult. If you don’t like a public figure, just say why
               you don’t like him or her. No need to call them names. Thank you.

               Bunnyforce:
               March 5, 2012 at 2:35 am (Quote)

               You are not the first, this happened to me in the MRT disruptions saga. My posts were all gone and I was banned completely from posting in ST forum. I take it as a badge of honour.

               Thank goodness we have internet where we can air it out in sites like TRE. Otherwise ST gets away with it. They have been getting away with such dirty tactics all these years, instead of doing
               what is right & good to improve the Govt & Singapore.

               So common in the old DB!!:
               March 5, 2012 at 2:35 am (Quote)

               This is so common in the old DB!!!

               If you tried to search for some comments in an ‘old’ thread in the old DB, you would find that those that embarrassed the govt or a certain Minister would more likely than not to have been
               deleted.

               I have often searched for my own past critical comments on an old thread only to find them deleted.

               to alonzoda:
               March 5, 2012 at 2:40 am (Quote)

               Alonzoda, you’ve written many comments everywhere that day and some are particularly distasteful.. You should keep to civility. If not, definitely any right-minded forum will delete all your
               posts to protect themselves. TRE included.

               Ban ST in your home:
               March 5, 2012 at 2:40 am (Quote)

               They also always publish foreigners letters which are very dubious, the most being one praising SIA 2 days after their website security boo-boo. This letter is also caught red handed to be false
               because a check with the flight info website reveals that there was no A380 flight (SQ322) arriving half an hour early on the day the writer mentioned, and not any other day in the whole of
               that week & before.

               After my post showing the flight info published live from the flight info website, I got a comment ticking me off for being negative and pessimistic. What kind of educated person is this telling
               people off for exposing anomalies I wonder but sadly, it is this kind of people that Sg Govt & GLCs love and promote. This is why the standard of everything is so very poor in Sg. They don’t
               want to do things properly and cover the shoddy work with lies, and then use more lies to cover lies. This seems fit with PAP. We are doomed.

               peter pang : bt. timah:
               March 5, 2012 at 2:43 am (Quote)

               Dishonesty is the established HALLMARK OF THIS DISGRACEFUL NATIONAL NEWSPAPER called “the strait’s times”!!!

               Richard Lu:
               March 5, 2012 at 2:43 am (Quote)



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               This is an arrogant and narrow-minded prick who cannot stand up to Chen Show Mao. He should grow up or in the words of Thaman Shamugaratnam “catch up”.

               The MSM should ashamed of trying to crawl up to this prick. For this and many more reasons they are so low on the Press Freedom Index. ST is another rogue newspaper not unlike the News
               of The World. Only this time the Government is in league with them,

               Journalism in Singapore is dead and buried by the Newspaper and Printing Presses Act of 1974 which states: ‘No person shall print or publish or assist in the printing or publishing of any
               newspaper in Singapore unless the chief editor or the proprietor of the newspaper has previously obtained a permit granted by the Minister authorising the publication thereof, which permit the
               Minister may in his discretion grant, refuse or revoke, or grant subject to conditions to be endorsed thereon.’

               —Newspaper and Printing Presses Act of 1974, Cap. 206, Sec. 21. —(1)

               Mr Beanie:
               March 5, 2012 at 2:44 am (Quote)

               ST has never had any credibility when it comes to government affairs. SO do not expect it to change especially under the current political climate.

               pap's reply: don't bother me,:
               March 5, 2012 at 2:45 am (Quote)

                     Steven:
                     Can you please send the article to the following Yale university professors who continue to live in denial believing that SIN respect academic freedom ? If SIN can even do this
                     publicly , how about those OB marker and self-censorship in institution ?

                     “It is understandable that for a pioneering initiative like the Yale-NUS College, there may be a diversity of views on different issues,” said Lily Kong, vice president of university
                     and global relations for the National University of Singapore, in an e-mailed statement. “We believe that this discussion should lead to an even higher level of mutual understanding
                     and respect, ultimately making the college even more robust.”

                     http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-03/singapore-university-says-it-welcomes-discussion-with-yale.html

               has it been sent o yale yet?

               paul samy:
               March 5, 2012 at 2:49 am (Quote)

                     six sixty six:
                     You people jolly well know all MSM here are quasi-government owned. And serve as a mouthpiece and propaganda tool for the PAP regime. If you wanted to made genuine
                     comment, come to TRE.

                     stop lying !!!:
                     ST has long ago lost all credibility to stay neutral on political issues.
                     it has and will always be pap’s mouthpiece so long as the helmsman is appointed by papigs.

                     it’s good we are all aware of this and begin to open our minds with information and argument from social media platforms.

                     ST is no more than a propaganda tool for papigs to brainwash the population. they were very successful previously. but no more.

               therein lies one of the main reasons why prc sun called singaporeans the all singaporean-embracing word called “dogs”.

               worst still, s.t. came into the picture with pap mp baey to defend the prc sun calling them dogs too.


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               "STRAIT'S TIMES" =TOILET PAPER:
               March 5, 2012 at 2:54 am (Quote)

               GOOD FOR PICKING UP DOG ‘POO’ TOO.

               WARNING: DEFINITELY NOT BE USED AS ARSE-WIPE !

               ANYWAY....:
               March 5, 2012 at 2:58 am (Quote)

               …i can buy two roti pratas with the 90 cents instead.

               besides, TRE , for ONLY $10 per month, i get to read first class news at the earliest time ahead of s.t., ALWAYS !!

               S.T. JOURNALISTS ARE ALL OF NO CLASS !

               THEY ARE MOSTLY PROBABLY UNEMPLOYABLE ANY WHERE ELSE IN THE MEDIA WORLD.

               The Great White:
               March 5, 2012 at 3:00 am (Quote)

               NTU has 60% PRC PhD wannabe, 30% from india and Singapore has abt 5%.

               PRC and India mostly sponsored by govt and most of them can go back their country say thank you as they can run away from the bond.

               How much we can save by stop sponsoring and how these saving can help vulnerable?

               Jerry Beguia:
               March 5, 2012 at 3:22 am (Quote)

               I’m quite disappointed to read this.

               I expected much better from them.

               But then, what can you expect from the 135th ranked media in the world in the Press Freedom Index.

               It’s no wonder that their circulation is falling drastically.

               silenceIsGolden:
               March 5, 2012 at 3:22 am (Quote)

               @steven – You made a good point. I give you the thumb up.

               Lim Pei Say Swee Swee:
               March 5, 2012 at 3:32 am (Quote)

               ST/NudePaper = MIW Party internal memos with adverts to appesr commercial. Useless pieces of propaganda that even dogs refused to sh*t on.

               Apple & Orange:



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               March 5, 2012 at 4:25 am (Quote)

                     Biased:
                     Tremeritus, Can you confirm that you have NEVER deleted any comments on your website that are non offensive but Pro-Government?

                     Pot calling kettle black.

               Pot & kettle is the wrong analogy. You are comparing apple & orange.

               First thank you for admitting our MSM is pro PAP when they should be pro Singaporeans. Their work should be without favour nor fear of ANY party. Incumbent or otherwise. Sadly it isn’t so
               and you’ve proved it.

               What makes their credibility worse is these MSM & their masters pretend and try to spin, cover and lie that this isn’t so. LOL…

               Even if we do not like it but MSM will gain a lot more respect if they can just be open about whose interests they really served. Be honest about it.

               We’ve seen enough of pro PAPies here polishing their master’s balls to know that TRE DO publish them. What makes TRE different from MSM is when pro PAP comments are posted, we can
               discourse idealogically about it like me to you now. Can’t say the same for MSM especially when they see superior comments going against them.

               I can’t speak on behalf of everyone but should one day TRE ever changed into the likes of the vile and pretentious MSM, I will be the first to desert and boycott it.

               ST cannot cut it:
               March 5, 2012 at 4:41 am (Quote)

               ST only likes shallow stuff, anything exposing the regime is too heavy for them to comprehend anyway and they can’t be bothered, they are not interested. The team of showy sweet young
               things there trying to be smart Alecs is what they like and will not ban even when they whisper sweet nothings to each other.

               Led by idiots:
               March 5, 2012 at 4:48 am (Quote)

               There used to be quite a good number of heavyweight posters in ST forum that were giving the ruling party a good kick on the backside whenever their ministers talked nonsense. They have all
               either left or I suspect banned. ST is confirmed propaganda papers. You’d think with best educated people, this cannot happen, they’d want the truth, they’d want high standards. Question is,
               are the moderators, editors, journalists really educated?

               Girl in dragon cheongsam:
               March 5, 2012 at 4:50 am (Quote)

               For me, TRE, TOC & Sg Yahoo are anytime better than the States Times, free-of-charge some more. Nothing beats the raw truth abd you can feel the nerve of the writer, that is journalism.

               Zinc:
               March 5, 2012 at 4:56 am (Quote)

               To those who followed ST forum, there is a ‘Jousterr’ who fits the profile of this uniquely warped, Vikram Nair. Never seen anything like it in his posts, they were incredibly rude, he likes to
               label people, call people names, he whacks any and every poster who does not put in a good word for the ruling party. I mean who else in Sg talks like this? Most obvious tell tale sign is the ST
               moderator is very ‘nice’ to Jousterr, always praising the poster and dare not tell him off.

               frankoold:
               March 5, 2012 at 5:13 am (Quote)




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               Those blady presentations, in blady pap pariament country club, from those blady pap evils are quite similar to those “self-mumblings IMH inmates”…and zee media love to dramatise all tis
               IMH scenerio into “praise lies and craps achievements” of zee pap evils…

               Most of em’ evils, with very low level of intelligence, playing to zee gallery, deliver craps and garbages…worst of all these are those lies and distortions….

               Some of their acts and presentations in parliament are pathetic and childish with zee recent case of dat contemptible nair sitting on a toy plastic car wanting to mow down zee WP actual 40
               tonner truck…

               Those evils, without conscience, can use howseowlogies and blufferlogies to con zee Ah Peks and zee Ah Pors…but to zee young generations ….hhmmmmm…they are waiting to boot zee
               butts of em’ evils and send em’ flying out of their relac resort….

               frankoold:
               March 5, 2012 at 5:24 am (Quote)

               Those blady presentations, in blady pap pariament country club, from those blady pap evils are quite similar to those “self-mumblings IMH inmates”…and zee media love to dramatise all tis
               IMH scenerio into “praise lies and craps achievements” of zee pap evils….

               Most of em’ evils, with very low level of intelligence, playing to zee gallery, deliver craps and garbages…worst of all these are those lies and distortions…

               Some of their acts and presentations in parliament are pathetic and childish with zee recent case of dat contemptible nair sitting on a toy plastic car wanting to mow down zee WP actual 40
               tonner truck….

               Those evils, without conscience, can use howseowlogies and blufferlogies to con zee Ah Peks and zee Ah Pors…but to zee young generations ….hhmmmmm…they are waiting to boot zee
               butts of em’ evils and send em’ flying out of their relac resort…

               Critical:
               March 5, 2012 at 6:35 am (Quote)

               Most people do not really read ST nowadays. They may have it in the house but mainly use it for other purposes other than reading ie using for wrapping up unwanted stuff to be thrown away
               etc.

               nutless ST:
               March 5, 2012 at 6:41 am (Quote)

               The ST has long lived up to its name after the passing away of the former Chief Minister if Singapore, Mr. David Marshall, who once berrated the ST as the “running dogs and prostitutes of the
               pap”. That unflattering title has been the hallmark of ST today, to their bloody shame!

               Guanxi:
               March 5, 2012 at 6:47 am (Quote)

               Since when MSM is not a propaganda tool of PAP??It was used effectively to tarnish both Jeyaretnam n Dr Chee image
               It was used man times before to stick a TERRORIST image on lim chin Siong ,chia TP n the list goes on.
               MSM is the running dog of PAP n always will…

               Tt:
               March 5, 2012 at 6:52 am (Quote)

               I don’t buy or even read ST anymore, lousy papers .



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               PAPa Don't Preach:
               March 5, 2012 at 7:19 am (Quote)

               MSM is a running dog for the MIW….Vikram is trying fast & furious to get into the good book of our stupid pinkie…try hard or drink more corpse water to prove your point. NIGERIAN
               SCUMBAG !!!

               PAPa Don't Preach:
               March 5, 2012 at 7:22 am (Quote)

               just like their MASTER, can’t accept FACTS !!!!!

               Hellcat:
               March 5, 2012 at 7:40 am (Quote)

               To stay in power, they are willing to sell the country out, intimidate own citizens and jail dissident, corrupt the whole state institutions with cronies.

               This is nothing new for those who study history and we all know how it ends.

               We can end it through ballot box.

               thequietpassenger:
               March 5, 2012 at 7:44 am (Quote)

               This is the sole reason why I do not recommend my family members nor friends to purchase any kind of press that are published by SPH. Its distortion of the truth are purposely to blind the
               readers and make believe that these regimented white donkeys are really to help to serve the people but the truth is only best serve the latter.

               Use rationale to overcome the lies that are publish in the SPH papers…even soccer predictions are in cahoots with TOTO…

               so do not be fooled..

               Gina:
               March 5, 2012 at 7:47 am (Quote)

               We need Darkness to save us all from drowning in lies

               Lin Nair:
               March 5, 2012 at 8:10 am (Quote)

               We don’t call them The Shit Times and the Singapore Prostitution House for no reasons and they continue to deserve so!

               Observer:
               March 5, 2012 at 8:18 am (Quote)

               Luckily there is Yahoo & TR for us to read about the real uncensored media. Why not next move we can see news telecast of the people of singapore talks about anything about singapore!
               But I doubt they can be board cast in TV. But U can still create a legal website like called singaporeTube just like voice of singaporeans! Because long long ago, I have gave up watching the
               news board cast by the control media.

               I don't trust The Shit Times:
               March 5, 2012 at 8:18 am (Quote)



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               I have dealt with “The Shit Times” two years back and have found them to be unreliable and untrustworthy.

               That’s why I don’t believe in them anymore and stopped giving them feedback.

               haha:
               March 5, 2012 at 8:20 am (Quote)

               Extra extra read all about it!! http://www.amazon.com/Media-Enthralled-Singapore-Revisited/dp/1555877796

               Dunkenvooster:
               March 5, 2012 at 8:48 am (Quote)

               If there is bias, msm should admit.
               If they cannot come up with a better solution, should admit n not keep defendibg the policies as of they are perfect. Just admit this is the best they can offer. For world highest salaries.

               qt:
               March 5, 2012 at 8:53 am (Quote)

               the toc and yahoo (sea) websites also delete comments which they don’t like for many years now.

               Be Reasonable:
               March 5, 2012 at 9:04 am (Quote)

               Nair seems to want acknowledgment more than helping the people….

               TheQuietOne:
               March 5, 2012 at 9:06 am (Quote)

               good job

               cant these be more available freely to citizens
               because most citizens are not aware but just suspicious

               thank you for your hardwork

               Thengo:
               March 5, 2012 at 9:11 am (Quote)

               Vikram is going to be made a ministers in the GE, he is working very hard to defend and engage the public, scoring a lot of political mileage.

               WHERES THE MONEY?
               1. $3 bilion of surplus, nothing for citizens. $1B goes to buses, $2B go where? Go to exhorbitant salaries and bonuses of super scale civil servants and ministers?

               2. GST is for the poor? Remember what LHL said.

               3. Casino revenue will help the poor and needy.

               Vikram – dont just talk cock, you dont have logical senses. 2 and 3 were promised but little delivered. 1 is self serving and paying for scum like you.




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               Ali Baba n His 80 thieves:
               March 5, 2012 at 9:17 am (Quote)

               Vikam snake is the one trying to score political brownie point.
               tried harder you monkey like your stupid act of drinking water from water tank.It shows what a cock person you are.Hey punk you know what we the people of singapore think about you?You
               are dumb and stupid.Wise you disappeared from our mind comes 2016.

               KingFook:
               March 5, 2012 at 9:17 am (Quote)

               Although this thread has nothing new about the States Times, it is nevertheless useful to continually remind netizens what mushrooms the 60% are. Good postings.

               SpiritofSG:
               March 5, 2012 at 9:25 am (Quote)

               hey writer, there is another place where you can put up your article though they might also selectively delete comments and if they did, you can shot them for doing so and let the world know
               that they are indeed deaf to citizen, try reach.gov.sg, come of my comments did get delete thought most of it still remain.

               the wrong doing of a few will be paid by most, wake up before it too late.

               god bless singapore

               Screwball:
               March 5, 2012 at 9:49 am (Quote)

               @Biased:

               SPH is majority owned by Temasick which is 100% owned by the people of Singapore. SPH is not expected to be biased to singapreans, pap or otherwise.

               TRE, who is privately owned.

               simple right, got it?

               KNNBCCB:
               March 5, 2012 at 10:06 am (Quote)

               That is why only 30% “supported” the former CEO ! The “Tancho” Man

               Guess we should know who these 30 % are ?

               The “top 30%” who are “stepping down on the bottom 70%” lor !

               You are their “slaves” !!!!

               frakpap:
               March 5, 2012 at 10:06 am (Quote)

               You guys should have boycott ST long ago. I find it strange that people post comments on ST website. What did you expect? That they will be fair like TRE? Or even Yahoo News? Stop
               subscribing to their papers, reading it dirties your your brain, and hands with black ink also. As long as we don’t support them sooner or later they will bankrupt and TRE will take over!



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               Yahoo did that too!:
               March 5, 2012 at 10:24 am (Quote)

               Hey TR, Yahoo moderator also deleted my comments on the post “Can $1,000-a-month salary really buy you a HDB flat?”.

               You can’t print screen to catch them in action because they vet through each post before they allow it to appear. They allow mostly nonsensical comments to get through but not the rational
               ones like those deleted by ST.

               I think it is a strategy to discredit the online community and use this as an excuse for subsequent implementation of web censorship. I hope someone can keep track and see whether what I
               wrote is true.

               It is great to expose them at an early stage. I hope more will make the effort to do it. Maybe TR should have a section specifically for people to post such exposes and push for greater press
               freedom.

               RDB:
               March 5, 2012 at 10:26 am (Quote)

               Dear @six sixty six: March 5, 2012 at 1:21 am (Quote) MSM you said is quasi govt own. I’ll add that it is owned WITH SINGAPOREANS’ MONEY! It is the majority daft 60% who
               read/listen to MSM that makes it for them. And why this is so in chrono order as follows:

               1. “If we say that we believe in democracy, if we say that the fabric of a democratic society is one which allows for the free play of idea…then, in the name of all the gods, give that free play a
               chance to work within the constitutional framework.” – Opposition leader Lee Kuan Yew, Singapore Legislative Assembly, Oct 4, 1956

               2. “Repression can only go up to a point. When it becomes too acute, the instruments of repression, namely the army and the police, have been proved time and time again in history to have
               turned their guns on their masters.” – Opposition leader Lee Kuan Yew, Straits Times, May 5, 1959 ” -unquote.

               3. “Mine is a very matter-of-fact approach to the problem. If you can select a population and they’re educated and they’re properly brought up, then you don’t have to use too much of the
               stick because they would already have been trained. It’s like with dogs. You train it in a proper way from small. It will know that it’s got to leave, go outside to pee and to defecate. No, we are
               not that kind of society. We had to train adult dogs who even today deliberately urinate in the lifts.” – Lee Kuan Yew, 1997

               LKY not a regime like China’s Poliburo Congress now in meeting just for show. 3000+ hor!

               Donald Duck & Bucks Bunny:
               March 5, 2012 at 10:27 am (Quote)

               Just a few days into a new parliament 2012 we are seeing PAP MP and minister activating their panic button. Don’t they even care what their 60% supporters think of them anymore?? one
               after another are displaying cartoon character. From Yaakob,VN,Baey etc..if JBJ is in parliament right now these jokers would have been discredited and exposed there and then.

               Who in their right mind doesn’t know that ST and other MSM are instrument of deception of PAP?? even the 60% know that.The politicians are providing ridiculous amusement we don’t need
               right now. The economy better not suffer. Serve the people not the party…no politician can go wrong on that path.

               cb:
               March 5, 2012 at 11:11 am (Quote)

               just stop writing to ST paper and put all your thinking into TRE.

               and also stop buy the ST paper , you stop buying and write to them , what can they do ??

               Singapore Researcher:


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               March 5, 2012 at 11:14 am (Quote)

               ATTENTION ALL:
               I posted a comment on this Straits Times Website on 5 March 2012 at 10.30am:

               http://www.straitstimes.com/Parliament/Story/STIStory_773249.html
               Ensuring a safe online environment for Singaporeans

               20 minutes later, it was deleted.

               The irony is that the comment text I made was just this:

               “Guys, do you smell censorship of our only free medium, the Internet, here? ”

               Sorry I forgot to take screenshots. But Why not you yourself try to post something like “Do not censor the internet”. See if it gets deleted.

               Observer:
               March 5, 2012 at 11:16 am (Quote)

               Very simple like this scenario, take for instance I have a pet dog, I say sit and the dog sit, I say eat then the dog can it! So can you get the term of this meaning?

               yeoman:
               March 5, 2012 at 11:21 am (Quote)

               now,if one looks hard at the two photos above,one would pick dr chne show mao as the ‘face of socail media’ and vickram as the ‘face of MSM’.

               SGPOREANS,WHOSE FACE DO YOU CHOOSE?

               isn’t it obvious!

               jaywalker:
               March 5, 2012 at 11:37 am (Quote)

               We have scumbacks like Viram Nair in Parliament because of the GRC system. They would have been kicked out of the room in no time with their tails between their hindlegs in any other
               circumstance.

               So now he thinks he is big enough to sue?

               Black Knight:
               March 5, 2012 at 1:36 pm (Quote)

               ST ? please do not insult the poor speechless dogs by picking up their poo with ST ! Their poor ass’ may also become corrupted lah ! Please ! Please ! Please !

               Just STOP BUYING and READING the Shit of an ST !

               Looking Glass:
               March 5, 2012 at 1:37 pm (Quote)

               I read the ST for it obituaries. You need documentation to publish in that section.



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                Black Knight:
                March 5, 2012 at 1:47 pm (Quote)

                “STRAIT’s TIMES”= TOILET PAPER. I am afriad, I may have to complain to the SPCA about you, for suggesting to use the ST to pick up dogs poo lah ! – Ha ! Ha ! Ha !

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Mainstream media caught red handed in deleting unfavourable comments on mp vikram « editorial « tr emeritus

  • 1. Mainstream media caught red-handed in deleting unfavourable comments on MP Vikram « Editorial « ... http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/03/05/mainstream-media-caught-red-handed-in-deleting-unfavourabl... Monday, March 5, 2012 Home TR EMERITUS Contact Us The Voice of Singaporeans for Singapore Newsletter Support Us Privacy Policy Terms Of Service Chinese Columnists A–H Abdul Gafoor Abdul Malik Alex Tan Amanda Lian Andy Lim Bhaskaran Kunju Cheryl Chan Chua Yuan Kai Damon Yeo David L K See David Ng Edmund Khor Gilbert Goh Hurr Riyahi I–P Dr George Lim James Oh John Chan Kevin Lee Khalil Adis Lawrence Pek Louis Lim Low Wei Xiang Ng Kok Lim Nigel Tan 1 of 26 3/5/2012 1:59 PM
  • 2. Mainstream media caught red-handed in deleting unfavourable comments on MP Vikram « Editorial « ... http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/03/05/mainstream-media-caught-red-handed-in-deleting-unfavourabl... Novia Lim Q–Z Richard Lu Tan Keng Leng Wayne Sim Wu Ni-Chen Yoong Siew Wah Zahara Abdullah Zhen He Editorial Feedback GE 2011 Archive Commentaries Events Newsflash Rally Walkabout Letters Cartoons Complaint Poems Review Scoops Suggestions Opinion Economics Life Stories Policies Politics Scoops Society Revisited Snippets Blogs Books Civil society Events Gossip Government Humour Law Watch Media Korean Tabloid Sports Asia 2 of 26 3/5/2012 1:59 PM
  • 3. Mainstream media caught red-handed in deleting unfavourable comments on MP Vikram « Editorial « ... http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/03/05/mainstream-media-caught-red-handed-in-deleting-unfavourabl... Soccer World YOG Tech World Asia Malaysia Others Uncategorized Videos Mainstream media caught red-handed in deleting unfavourable comments on MP Vikram March 5th, 2012 | Author: Editorial A reader has sent this to TR Emeritus (TRE) requesting that the information be shared so that TRE readers can be the judge to see if our mainstream media has over-reacted in deleting netizen comments on their site. This occurred after ST published an article talking about PAP MP Vikram Nair’s unrelenting attacks on WP MP Chen Show Mao in Parliament on Wed (29 Feb). Vikram accused Mr Chen of scoring political points by repeatedly asking the Government to do more for vulnerable groups without acknowledging what had already been done. He even attacked Mr Chen’s proposals as being akin to a Nigerian money scam: 3 of 26 3/5/2012 1:59 PM
  • 4. Mainstream media caught red-handed in deleting unfavourable comments on MP Vikram « Editorial « ... http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/03/05/mainstream-media-caught-red-handed-in-deleting-unfavourabl... . Netizens were outraged at Vikram’s behaviour in Parliament and not surprisingly, many have posted comments following the above ST article condemning him. However, what’s interesting is that ST has been caught red-handed (thanks to the reader who sent us this info) in censoring such negative comments against Vikram, even though the comments were written quite sensibly. TRE readers can be the judge: 4 of 26 3/5/2012 1:59 PM
  • 5. Mainstream media caught red-handed in deleting unfavourable comments on MP Vikram « Editorial « ... http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/03/05/mainstream-media-caught-red-handed-in-deleting-unfavourabl... 5 of 26 3/5/2012 1:59 PM
  • 6. Mainstream media caught red-handed in deleting unfavourable comments on MP Vikram « Editorial « ... http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/03/05/mainstream-media-caught-red-handed-in-deleting-unfavourabl... About 13 minutes later after alonzodapriest posted, his comments were deleted: alonzodapriest “I think many of us here have been working year in, year out, helping the vulnerable groups, and it is pretty hurtful coming from Mr Chen because he might have held this belief for a long time, but he came back only quite recently to help in this.” Such ad hominem arguments from nair is truly disappointing. Instead of discrediting chen by stating his recent participation in parliament, nair should have highlighted how pap has helped vulnerable groups in a manner that is so substantial that chen would be unreasonable to put forth his point on multiplying efforts to help vulnerable groups. Such a let down from someone who came from mckinsey. And as a further addition to my point, where was nair to ask where the SGD1.1 billion was coming from when it was to be spent purchasing more trains for private operators to make profits off? Let me give you a clue to where money to help vulnerable groups will come from. It’s the same source for where the train buying money is coming from. Do you really have to ask rhetorical questions in parliament? . 6 of 26 3/5/2012 1:59 PM
  • 7. Mainstream media caught red-handed in deleting unfavourable comments on MP Vikram « Editorial « ... http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/03/05/mainstream-media-caught-red-handed-in-deleting-unfavourabl... Then the comment from Jmm Limm was also deleted: Jmm Limm Vikram is narrowminded to think there MUST be only 2 ways 1) Higher tax 2) Budget deficits… even DPM Teo suggests otherwise (need creative ways to find more money)… what saddens me is to have a MP who bullies with sarcasms and insults – likening MP Chen’s proposal to render help to Singaporeans to Nigerian scams while forgetting that PAP ministers are MPs alike have for many years propose similar help packages etc. to Singaporeans. It is all right to ask where the money should come from… it is not all right to deliver the contents like a rogue. . 7 of 26 3/5/2012 1:59 PM
  • 8. Mainstream media caught red-handed in deleting unfavourable comments on MP Vikram « Editorial « ... http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/03/05/mainstream-media-caught-red-handed-in-deleting-unfavourabl... . The reader who sent us this info said, “It seems that ST is unable to accept the fact that people have negative comments about the ruling party. I was making comments on their articles and all of a sudden, I was banned and had all my comments deleted. They may argue that they found it offensive or something. So I decided to try to catch them in the act.” “Attached is 3 captures at 3 different times. You can clearly see that the new comments got deleted. Whether or not they are offensive, I’ll let the readers judge. It seems that they only want to help and see good things??” 8 of 26 3/5/2012 1:59 PM
  • 9. Mainstream media caught red-handed in deleting unfavourable comments on MP Vikram « Editorial « ... http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/03/05/mainstream-media-caught-red-handed-in-deleting-unfavourabl... You guys be the judge about the state of affairs regarding our mainstream media. . Like 344 people like this. Be the first of your friends. Posted in Editorial « A Singaporean’s response to Tharman’s “buying HDB flat on $1K pay” Refuting PAP MPs’ speeches in Budget 2012 Parliamentary Debate » Related Posts 67 Responses to “Mainstream media caught red-handed in deleting unfavourable comments on MP Vikram” Steven: March 5, 2012 at 1:17 am (Quote) Can you please send the article to the following Yale university professors who continue to live in denial believing that SIN respect academic freedom ? If SIN can even do this publicly , how about those OB marker and self-censorship in institution ? “It is understandable that for a pioneering initiative like the Yale-NUS College, there may be a diversity of views on different issues,” said Lily Kong, vice president of university and global relations for the National University of Singapore, in an e-mailed statement. “We believe that this discussion should lead to an even higher level of mutual understanding and respect, ultimately making the college even more robust.” http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-03/singapore-university-says-it-welcomes-discussion-with-yale.html six sixty six: March 5, 2012 at 1:21 am (Quote) You people jolly well know all MSM here are quasi-government owned. And serve as a mouthpiece and propaganda tool for the PAP regime. If you wanted to made genuine comment, come to TRE. stop lying !!!: March 5, 2012 at 1:25 am (Quote) ST has long ago lost all credibility to stay neutral on political issues. it has and will always be pap’s mouthpiece so long as the helmsman is appointed by papigs. it’s good we are all aware of this and begin to open our minds with information and argument from social media platforms. ST is no more than a propaganda tool for papigs to brainwash the population. they were very successful previously. but no more. Lau Ter: March 5, 2012 at 1:27 am (Quote) All Singaporeans know long long ago that all these MSM are the PAP mouthpiece. It is an open secret. But it is still fun to catch them with their pants down. Maybe Yacob should suggest a code of conduct for the MSM based on freedom of ideas, speech and professional journalism. Bravo TRE. Bodoh MSM. Poor Retiree: 9 of 26 3/5/2012 1:59 PM
  • 10. Mainstream media caught red-handed in deleting unfavourable comments on MP Vikram « Editorial « ... http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/03/05/mainstream-media-caught-red-handed-in-deleting-unfavourabl... March 5, 2012 at 1:41 am (Quote) That’s why I’ve boycotted ST and no longer buy their papers. Who wants to read propaganda all the time? Even Censors Will Be Converted: March 5, 2012 at 1:41 am (Quote) Keep posting. Don’t give up. The PAP internet brigade has to read & understand before deleting your comments. When they read, they too will eventually be infected with the truth of what we are saying. Over time, they too will see the light & the truth. And another die hard Opposition voter is born. DOOMED !: March 5, 2012 at 1:44 am (Quote) Vikram is an IDIOT and a PUNK ! ! ! He should be censored in Parliament for making wild accusations against Chen. Vikram is in my constituency and I did not and will not vote for this mad BABOON in all future elections ! ! ! SimpleMind: March 5, 2012 at 2:05 am (Quote) This is no secret, certainly not to Reporters Without Borders which ranked Singapore at position 135 of the Press Freedom Index. To change the stance of the press, first we need to change the govt. nui nui: March 5, 2012 at 2:22 am (Quote) Tell Vikram the money will come from deduction of his Members of Parliament allowances to help the poor. Biased: March 5, 2012 at 2:24 am (Quote) Tremeritus, Can you confirm that you have NEVER deleted any comments on your website that are non offensive but Pro-Government? Pot calling kettle black. . Editor’s notes: In fact, we 100% welcome pro-establishment comments here. In our view, there is a severe lack of pro-establishment comments here in view of the fact that 60% have voted for the establishment The goal is to be able to reflect the ground situation as close as possible for all to see. Censorship tends to distort the reality. And like one bro here said, with views 10 of 26 3/5/2012 1:59 PM
  • 11. Mainstream media caught red-handed in deleting unfavourable comments on MP Vikram « Editorial « ... http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/03/05/mainstream-media-caught-red-handed-in-deleting-unfavourabl... present from both sides, you can have a healthy discussion and discourse. However, that’s not to say that we don’t censor. Those racist, seditious and defamatory comments that break the law will be dealt with accordingly. Would also like to appeal to our readers here to tone down on personal insults and name callings. Even if you don’t like the characters written in an article, there is no need to insult. If you don’t like a public figure, just say why you don’t like him or her. No need to call them names. Thank you. Bunnyforce: March 5, 2012 at 2:35 am (Quote) You are not the first, this happened to me in the MRT disruptions saga. My posts were all gone and I was banned completely from posting in ST forum. I take it as a badge of honour. Thank goodness we have internet where we can air it out in sites like TRE. Otherwise ST gets away with it. They have been getting away with such dirty tactics all these years, instead of doing what is right & good to improve the Govt & Singapore. So common in the old DB!!: March 5, 2012 at 2:35 am (Quote) This is so common in the old DB!!! If you tried to search for some comments in an ‘old’ thread in the old DB, you would find that those that embarrassed the govt or a certain Minister would more likely than not to have been deleted. I have often searched for my own past critical comments on an old thread only to find them deleted. to alonzoda: March 5, 2012 at 2:40 am (Quote) Alonzoda, you’ve written many comments everywhere that day and some are particularly distasteful.. You should keep to civility. If not, definitely any right-minded forum will delete all your posts to protect themselves. TRE included. Ban ST in your home: March 5, 2012 at 2:40 am (Quote) They also always publish foreigners letters which are very dubious, the most being one praising SIA 2 days after their website security boo-boo. This letter is also caught red handed to be false because a check with the flight info website reveals that there was no A380 flight (SQ322) arriving half an hour early on the day the writer mentioned, and not any other day in the whole of that week & before. After my post showing the flight info published live from the flight info website, I got a comment ticking me off for being negative and pessimistic. What kind of educated person is this telling people off for exposing anomalies I wonder but sadly, it is this kind of people that Sg Govt & GLCs love and promote. This is why the standard of everything is so very poor in Sg. They don’t want to do things properly and cover the shoddy work with lies, and then use more lies to cover lies. This seems fit with PAP. We are doomed. peter pang : bt. timah: March 5, 2012 at 2:43 am (Quote) Dishonesty is the established HALLMARK OF THIS DISGRACEFUL NATIONAL NEWSPAPER called “the strait’s times”!!! Richard Lu: March 5, 2012 at 2:43 am (Quote) 11 of 26 3/5/2012 1:59 PM
  • 12. Mainstream media caught red-handed in deleting unfavourable comments on MP Vikram « Editorial « ... http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/03/05/mainstream-media-caught-red-handed-in-deleting-unfavourabl... This is an arrogant and narrow-minded prick who cannot stand up to Chen Show Mao. He should grow up or in the words of Thaman Shamugaratnam “catch up”. The MSM should ashamed of trying to crawl up to this prick. For this and many more reasons they are so low on the Press Freedom Index. ST is another rogue newspaper not unlike the News of The World. Only this time the Government is in league with them, Journalism in Singapore is dead and buried by the Newspaper and Printing Presses Act of 1974 which states: ‘No person shall print or publish or assist in the printing or publishing of any newspaper in Singapore unless the chief editor or the proprietor of the newspaper has previously obtained a permit granted by the Minister authorising the publication thereof, which permit the Minister may in his discretion grant, refuse or revoke, or grant subject to conditions to be endorsed thereon.’ —Newspaper and Printing Presses Act of 1974, Cap. 206, Sec. 21. —(1) Mr Beanie: March 5, 2012 at 2:44 am (Quote) ST has never had any credibility when it comes to government affairs. SO do not expect it to change especially under the current political climate. pap's reply: don't bother me,: March 5, 2012 at 2:45 am (Quote) Steven: Can you please send the article to the following Yale university professors who continue to live in denial believing that SIN respect academic freedom ? If SIN can even do this publicly , how about those OB marker and self-censorship in institution ? “It is understandable that for a pioneering initiative like the Yale-NUS College, there may be a diversity of views on different issues,” said Lily Kong, vice president of university and global relations for the National University of Singapore, in an e-mailed statement. “We believe that this discussion should lead to an even higher level of mutual understanding and respect, ultimately making the college even more robust.” http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-03/singapore-university-says-it-welcomes-discussion-with-yale.html has it been sent o yale yet? paul samy: March 5, 2012 at 2:49 am (Quote) six sixty six: You people jolly well know all MSM here are quasi-government owned. And serve as a mouthpiece and propaganda tool for the PAP regime. If you wanted to made genuine comment, come to TRE. stop lying !!!: ST has long ago lost all credibility to stay neutral on political issues. it has and will always be pap’s mouthpiece so long as the helmsman is appointed by papigs. it’s good we are all aware of this and begin to open our minds with information and argument from social media platforms. ST is no more than a propaganda tool for papigs to brainwash the population. they were very successful previously. but no more. therein lies one of the main reasons why prc sun called singaporeans the all singaporean-embracing word called “dogs”. worst still, s.t. came into the picture with pap mp baey to defend the prc sun calling them dogs too. 12 of 26 3/5/2012 1:59 PM
  • 13. Mainstream media caught red-handed in deleting unfavourable comments on MP Vikram « Editorial « ... http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/03/05/mainstream-media-caught-red-handed-in-deleting-unfavourabl... "STRAIT'S TIMES" =TOILET PAPER: March 5, 2012 at 2:54 am (Quote) GOOD FOR PICKING UP DOG ‘POO’ TOO. WARNING: DEFINITELY NOT BE USED AS ARSE-WIPE ! ANYWAY....: March 5, 2012 at 2:58 am (Quote) …i can buy two roti pratas with the 90 cents instead. besides, TRE , for ONLY $10 per month, i get to read first class news at the earliest time ahead of s.t., ALWAYS !! S.T. JOURNALISTS ARE ALL OF NO CLASS ! THEY ARE MOSTLY PROBABLY UNEMPLOYABLE ANY WHERE ELSE IN THE MEDIA WORLD. The Great White: March 5, 2012 at 3:00 am (Quote) NTU has 60% PRC PhD wannabe, 30% from india and Singapore has abt 5%. PRC and India mostly sponsored by govt and most of them can go back their country say thank you as they can run away from the bond. How much we can save by stop sponsoring and how these saving can help vulnerable? Jerry Beguia: March 5, 2012 at 3:22 am (Quote) I’m quite disappointed to read this. I expected much better from them. But then, what can you expect from the 135th ranked media in the world in the Press Freedom Index. It’s no wonder that their circulation is falling drastically. silenceIsGolden: March 5, 2012 at 3:22 am (Quote) @steven – You made a good point. I give you the thumb up. Lim Pei Say Swee Swee: March 5, 2012 at 3:32 am (Quote) ST/NudePaper = MIW Party internal memos with adverts to appesr commercial. Useless pieces of propaganda that even dogs refused to sh*t on. Apple & Orange: 13 of 26 3/5/2012 1:59 PM
  • 14. Mainstream media caught red-handed in deleting unfavourable comments on MP Vikram « Editorial « ... http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/03/05/mainstream-media-caught-red-handed-in-deleting-unfavourabl... March 5, 2012 at 4:25 am (Quote) Biased: Tremeritus, Can you confirm that you have NEVER deleted any comments on your website that are non offensive but Pro-Government? Pot calling kettle black. Pot & kettle is the wrong analogy. You are comparing apple & orange. First thank you for admitting our MSM is pro PAP when they should be pro Singaporeans. Their work should be without favour nor fear of ANY party. Incumbent or otherwise. Sadly it isn’t so and you’ve proved it. What makes their credibility worse is these MSM & their masters pretend and try to spin, cover and lie that this isn’t so. LOL… Even if we do not like it but MSM will gain a lot more respect if they can just be open about whose interests they really served. Be honest about it. We’ve seen enough of pro PAPies here polishing their master’s balls to know that TRE DO publish them. What makes TRE different from MSM is when pro PAP comments are posted, we can discourse idealogically about it like me to you now. Can’t say the same for MSM especially when they see superior comments going against them. I can’t speak on behalf of everyone but should one day TRE ever changed into the likes of the vile and pretentious MSM, I will be the first to desert and boycott it. ST cannot cut it: March 5, 2012 at 4:41 am (Quote) ST only likes shallow stuff, anything exposing the regime is too heavy for them to comprehend anyway and they can’t be bothered, they are not interested. The team of showy sweet young things there trying to be smart Alecs is what they like and will not ban even when they whisper sweet nothings to each other. Led by idiots: March 5, 2012 at 4:48 am (Quote) There used to be quite a good number of heavyweight posters in ST forum that were giving the ruling party a good kick on the backside whenever their ministers talked nonsense. They have all either left or I suspect banned. ST is confirmed propaganda papers. You’d think with best educated people, this cannot happen, they’d want the truth, they’d want high standards. Question is, are the moderators, editors, journalists really educated? Girl in dragon cheongsam: March 5, 2012 at 4:50 am (Quote) For me, TRE, TOC & Sg Yahoo are anytime better than the States Times, free-of-charge some more. Nothing beats the raw truth abd you can feel the nerve of the writer, that is journalism. Zinc: March 5, 2012 at 4:56 am (Quote) To those who followed ST forum, there is a ‘Jousterr’ who fits the profile of this uniquely warped, Vikram Nair. Never seen anything like it in his posts, they were incredibly rude, he likes to label people, call people names, he whacks any and every poster who does not put in a good word for the ruling party. I mean who else in Sg talks like this? Most obvious tell tale sign is the ST moderator is very ‘nice’ to Jousterr, always praising the poster and dare not tell him off. frankoold: March 5, 2012 at 5:13 am (Quote) 14 of 26 3/5/2012 1:59 PM
  • 15. Mainstream media caught red-handed in deleting unfavourable comments on MP Vikram « Editorial « ... http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/03/05/mainstream-media-caught-red-handed-in-deleting-unfavourabl... Those blady presentations, in blady pap pariament country club, from those blady pap evils are quite similar to those “self-mumblings IMH inmates”…and zee media love to dramatise all tis IMH scenerio into “praise lies and craps achievements” of zee pap evils… Most of em’ evils, with very low level of intelligence, playing to zee gallery, deliver craps and garbages…worst of all these are those lies and distortions…. Some of their acts and presentations in parliament are pathetic and childish with zee recent case of dat contemptible nair sitting on a toy plastic car wanting to mow down zee WP actual 40 tonner truck… Those evils, without conscience, can use howseowlogies and blufferlogies to con zee Ah Peks and zee Ah Pors…but to zee young generations ….hhmmmmm…they are waiting to boot zee butts of em’ evils and send em’ flying out of their relac resort…. frankoold: March 5, 2012 at 5:24 am (Quote) Those blady presentations, in blady pap pariament country club, from those blady pap evils are quite similar to those “self-mumblings IMH inmates”…and zee media love to dramatise all tis IMH scenerio into “praise lies and craps achievements” of zee pap evils…. Most of em’ evils, with very low level of intelligence, playing to zee gallery, deliver craps and garbages…worst of all these are those lies and distortions… Some of their acts and presentations in parliament are pathetic and childish with zee recent case of dat contemptible nair sitting on a toy plastic car wanting to mow down zee WP actual 40 tonner truck…. Those evils, without conscience, can use howseowlogies and blufferlogies to con zee Ah Peks and zee Ah Pors…but to zee young generations ….hhmmmmm…they are waiting to boot zee butts of em’ evils and send em’ flying out of their relac resort… Critical: March 5, 2012 at 6:35 am (Quote) Most people do not really read ST nowadays. They may have it in the house but mainly use it for other purposes other than reading ie using for wrapping up unwanted stuff to be thrown away etc. nutless ST: March 5, 2012 at 6:41 am (Quote) The ST has long lived up to its name after the passing away of the former Chief Minister if Singapore, Mr. David Marshall, who once berrated the ST as the “running dogs and prostitutes of the pap”. That unflattering title has been the hallmark of ST today, to their bloody shame! Guanxi: March 5, 2012 at 6:47 am (Quote) Since when MSM is not a propaganda tool of PAP??It was used effectively to tarnish both Jeyaretnam n Dr Chee image It was used man times before to stick a TERRORIST image on lim chin Siong ,chia TP n the list goes on. MSM is the running dog of PAP n always will… Tt: March 5, 2012 at 6:52 am (Quote) I don’t buy or even read ST anymore, lousy papers . 15 of 26 3/5/2012 1:59 PM
  • 16. Mainstream media caught red-handed in deleting unfavourable comments on MP Vikram « Editorial « ... http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/03/05/mainstream-media-caught-red-handed-in-deleting-unfavourabl... PAPa Don't Preach: March 5, 2012 at 7:19 am (Quote) MSM is a running dog for the MIW….Vikram is trying fast & furious to get into the good book of our stupid pinkie…try hard or drink more corpse water to prove your point. NIGERIAN SCUMBAG !!! PAPa Don't Preach: March 5, 2012 at 7:22 am (Quote) just like their MASTER, can’t accept FACTS !!!!! Hellcat: March 5, 2012 at 7:40 am (Quote) To stay in power, they are willing to sell the country out, intimidate own citizens and jail dissident, corrupt the whole state institutions with cronies. This is nothing new for those who study history and we all know how it ends. We can end it through ballot box. thequietpassenger: March 5, 2012 at 7:44 am (Quote) This is the sole reason why I do not recommend my family members nor friends to purchase any kind of press that are published by SPH. Its distortion of the truth are purposely to blind the readers and make believe that these regimented white donkeys are really to help to serve the people but the truth is only best serve the latter. Use rationale to overcome the lies that are publish in the SPH papers…even soccer predictions are in cahoots with TOTO… so do not be fooled.. Gina: March 5, 2012 at 7:47 am (Quote) We need Darkness to save us all from drowning in lies Lin Nair: March 5, 2012 at 8:10 am (Quote) We don’t call them The Shit Times and the Singapore Prostitution House for no reasons and they continue to deserve so! Observer: March 5, 2012 at 8:18 am (Quote) Luckily there is Yahoo & TR for us to read about the real uncensored media. Why not next move we can see news telecast of the people of singapore talks about anything about singapore! But I doubt they can be board cast in TV. But U can still create a legal website like called singaporeTube just like voice of singaporeans! Because long long ago, I have gave up watching the news board cast by the control media. I don't trust The Shit Times: March 5, 2012 at 8:18 am (Quote) 16 of 26 3/5/2012 1:59 PM
  • 17. Mainstream media caught red-handed in deleting unfavourable comments on MP Vikram « Editorial « ... http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/03/05/mainstream-media-caught-red-handed-in-deleting-unfavourabl... I have dealt with “The Shit Times” two years back and have found them to be unreliable and untrustworthy. That’s why I don’t believe in them anymore and stopped giving them feedback. haha: March 5, 2012 at 8:20 am (Quote) Extra extra read all about it!! http://www.amazon.com/Media-Enthralled-Singapore-Revisited/dp/1555877796 Dunkenvooster: March 5, 2012 at 8:48 am (Quote) If there is bias, msm should admit. If they cannot come up with a better solution, should admit n not keep defendibg the policies as of they are perfect. Just admit this is the best they can offer. For world highest salaries. qt: March 5, 2012 at 8:53 am (Quote) the toc and yahoo (sea) websites also delete comments which they don’t like for many years now. Be Reasonable: March 5, 2012 at 9:04 am (Quote) Nair seems to want acknowledgment more than helping the people…. TheQuietOne: March 5, 2012 at 9:06 am (Quote) good job cant these be more available freely to citizens because most citizens are not aware but just suspicious thank you for your hardwork Thengo: March 5, 2012 at 9:11 am (Quote) Vikram is going to be made a ministers in the GE, he is working very hard to defend and engage the public, scoring a lot of political mileage. WHERES THE MONEY? 1. $3 bilion of surplus, nothing for citizens. $1B goes to buses, $2B go where? Go to exhorbitant salaries and bonuses of super scale civil servants and ministers? 2. GST is for the poor? Remember what LHL said. 3. Casino revenue will help the poor and needy. Vikram – dont just talk cock, you dont have logical senses. 2 and 3 were promised but little delivered. 1 is self serving and paying for scum like you. 17 of 26 3/5/2012 1:59 PM
  • 18. Mainstream media caught red-handed in deleting unfavourable comments on MP Vikram « Editorial « ... http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/03/05/mainstream-media-caught-red-handed-in-deleting-unfavourabl... Ali Baba n His 80 thieves: March 5, 2012 at 9:17 am (Quote) Vikam snake is the one trying to score political brownie point. tried harder you monkey like your stupid act of drinking water from water tank.It shows what a cock person you are.Hey punk you know what we the people of singapore think about you?You are dumb and stupid.Wise you disappeared from our mind comes 2016. KingFook: March 5, 2012 at 9:17 am (Quote) Although this thread has nothing new about the States Times, it is nevertheless useful to continually remind netizens what mushrooms the 60% are. Good postings. SpiritofSG: March 5, 2012 at 9:25 am (Quote) hey writer, there is another place where you can put up your article though they might also selectively delete comments and if they did, you can shot them for doing so and let the world know that they are indeed deaf to citizen, try reach.gov.sg, come of my comments did get delete thought most of it still remain. the wrong doing of a few will be paid by most, wake up before it too late. god bless singapore Screwball: March 5, 2012 at 9:49 am (Quote) @Biased: SPH is majority owned by Temasick which is 100% owned by the people of Singapore. SPH is not expected to be biased to singapreans, pap or otherwise. TRE, who is privately owned. simple right, got it? KNNBCCB: March 5, 2012 at 10:06 am (Quote) That is why only 30% “supported” the former CEO ! The “Tancho” Man Guess we should know who these 30 % are ? The “top 30%” who are “stepping down on the bottom 70%” lor ! You are their “slaves” !!!! frakpap: March 5, 2012 at 10:06 am (Quote) You guys should have boycott ST long ago. I find it strange that people post comments on ST website. What did you expect? That they will be fair like TRE? Or even Yahoo News? Stop subscribing to their papers, reading it dirties your your brain, and hands with black ink also. As long as we don’t support them sooner or later they will bankrupt and TRE will take over! 18 of 26 3/5/2012 1:59 PM
  • 19. Mainstream media caught red-handed in deleting unfavourable comments on MP Vikram « Editorial « ... http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/03/05/mainstream-media-caught-red-handed-in-deleting-unfavourabl... Yahoo did that too!: March 5, 2012 at 10:24 am (Quote) Hey TR, Yahoo moderator also deleted my comments on the post “Can $1,000-a-month salary really buy you a HDB flat?”. You can’t print screen to catch them in action because they vet through each post before they allow it to appear. They allow mostly nonsensical comments to get through but not the rational ones like those deleted by ST. I think it is a strategy to discredit the online community and use this as an excuse for subsequent implementation of web censorship. I hope someone can keep track and see whether what I wrote is true. It is great to expose them at an early stage. I hope more will make the effort to do it. Maybe TR should have a section specifically for people to post such exposes and push for greater press freedom. RDB: March 5, 2012 at 10:26 am (Quote) Dear @six sixty six: March 5, 2012 at 1:21 am (Quote) MSM you said is quasi govt own. I’ll add that it is owned WITH SINGAPOREANS’ MONEY! It is the majority daft 60% who read/listen to MSM that makes it for them. And why this is so in chrono order as follows: 1. “If we say that we believe in democracy, if we say that the fabric of a democratic society is one which allows for the free play of idea…then, in the name of all the gods, give that free play a chance to work within the constitutional framework.” – Opposition leader Lee Kuan Yew, Singapore Legislative Assembly, Oct 4, 1956 2. “Repression can only go up to a point. When it becomes too acute, the instruments of repression, namely the army and the police, have been proved time and time again in history to have turned their guns on their masters.” – Opposition leader Lee Kuan Yew, Straits Times, May 5, 1959 ” -unquote. 3. “Mine is a very matter-of-fact approach to the problem. If you can select a population and they’re educated and they’re properly brought up, then you don’t have to use too much of the stick because they would already have been trained. It’s like with dogs. You train it in a proper way from small. It will know that it’s got to leave, go outside to pee and to defecate. No, we are not that kind of society. We had to train adult dogs who even today deliberately urinate in the lifts.” – Lee Kuan Yew, 1997 LKY not a regime like China’s Poliburo Congress now in meeting just for show. 3000+ hor! Donald Duck & Bucks Bunny: March 5, 2012 at 10:27 am (Quote) Just a few days into a new parliament 2012 we are seeing PAP MP and minister activating their panic button. Don’t they even care what their 60% supporters think of them anymore?? one after another are displaying cartoon character. From Yaakob,VN,Baey etc..if JBJ is in parliament right now these jokers would have been discredited and exposed there and then. Who in their right mind doesn’t know that ST and other MSM are instrument of deception of PAP?? even the 60% know that.The politicians are providing ridiculous amusement we don’t need right now. The economy better not suffer. Serve the people not the party…no politician can go wrong on that path. cb: March 5, 2012 at 11:11 am (Quote) just stop writing to ST paper and put all your thinking into TRE. and also stop buy the ST paper , you stop buying and write to them , what can they do ?? Singapore Researcher: 19 of 26 3/5/2012 1:59 PM
  • 20. Mainstream media caught red-handed in deleting unfavourable comments on MP Vikram « Editorial « ... http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/03/05/mainstream-media-caught-red-handed-in-deleting-unfavourabl... March 5, 2012 at 11:14 am (Quote) ATTENTION ALL: I posted a comment on this Straits Times Website on 5 March 2012 at 10.30am: http://www.straitstimes.com/Parliament/Story/STIStory_773249.html Ensuring a safe online environment for Singaporeans 20 minutes later, it was deleted. The irony is that the comment text I made was just this: “Guys, do you smell censorship of our only free medium, the Internet, here? ” Sorry I forgot to take screenshots. But Why not you yourself try to post something like “Do not censor the internet”. See if it gets deleted. Observer: March 5, 2012 at 11:16 am (Quote) Very simple like this scenario, take for instance I have a pet dog, I say sit and the dog sit, I say eat then the dog can it! So can you get the term of this meaning? yeoman: March 5, 2012 at 11:21 am (Quote) now,if one looks hard at the two photos above,one would pick dr chne show mao as the ‘face of socail media’ and vickram as the ‘face of MSM’. SGPOREANS,WHOSE FACE DO YOU CHOOSE? isn’t it obvious! jaywalker: March 5, 2012 at 11:37 am (Quote) We have scumbacks like Viram Nair in Parliament because of the GRC system. They would have been kicked out of the room in no time with their tails between their hindlegs in any other circumstance. So now he thinks he is big enough to sue? Black Knight: March 5, 2012 at 1:36 pm (Quote) ST ? please do not insult the poor speechless dogs by picking up their poo with ST ! Their poor ass’ may also become corrupted lah ! Please ! Please ! Please ! Just STOP BUYING and READING the Shit of an ST ! Looking Glass: March 5, 2012 at 1:37 pm (Quote) I read the ST for it obituaries. You need documentation to publish in that section. 20 of 26 3/5/2012 1:59 PM
  • 21. Mainstream media caught red-handed in deleting unfavourable comments on MP Vikram « Editorial « ... http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/03/05/mainstream-media-caught-red-handed-in-deleting-unfavourabl... All other sections are opinions, adverts and TV listings. Black Knight: March 5, 2012 at 1:47 pm (Quote) “STRAIT’s TIMES”= TOILET PAPER. I am afriad, I may have to complain to the SPCA about you, for suggesting to use the ST to pick up dogs poo lah ! – Ha ! Ha ! Ha ! Leave a Reply Name (required < 30) eMail (not published) (required) characters available If you wish to be informed of new comments via email, tick this. TRE AutoDJ Station [ Streaming Live ] Contact Us | Privacy Policy | 闽ICP备09069496号 Copyright © 2012 TR EMERITUS. All Rights Reserved. Server Managed & Optimised for WordPress by RTG (Asia) Network - Offshore Dedicated Server Provider Since 2001 Enter Google Analytics Code Here Advertisement 21 of 26 3/5/2012 1:59 PM
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