Luke Tellefson (Brother Luke) and Gerry Gaffney (Father Gerry) did a light-hearted 10-minute talk at UX Australia 2018 in Melbourne Australia. The associated audio is online at: https://soundcloud.com/uxaustralia/d2-r2-s3-10-min-talk-2 It's posted here by popular demand although, as they say, you had to be there.