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Current Share Valuation Issues and
Questions to HMRC
William Franklin and Stephen Woodhouse
Partners
www.pettfranklin.com
6 November 2014
Introduction
Barry Roland Assistant
Director HMRC Shares
Valuation
©2014 Pett, Franklin & Co. LLP www.pettfranklin.com 1
Question 1
How is the Share Valuation
Department at HMRC
structured?
©2013 Pett, Franklin & Co. LLP www.pettfranklin.com 2
Question 2
How many cases does Share
Valuation deal with each year
and from where do they arise
e.g. share schemes, ITEPA, IHT,
CGT etc?
©2013 Pett, Franklin & Co. LLP www.pettfranklin.com 3
Question 3
What operational changes
have Share Valuation made
in the last couple of years or
so and what others are
planned?
©2013 Pett, Franklin & Co. LLP www.pettfranklin.com 4
Question 4
Growth shares with complicated Articles have
become more popular in recent years and have
required Shares Valuation to allocate substantial
resources to deal with them. How do you
believe practitioners could present valuations
for growth shares better and in a form which
would make it easier for HMRC to review and
agree growth shares valuations?
©2013 Pett, Franklin & Co. LLP www.pettfranklin.com 5
Question 5
Could you describe HMRC’s
policy regarding the agreement
of EMI valuations after the
awards have been granted and
the relevant time limits?
©2013 Pett, Franklin & Co. LLP www.pettfranklin.com 6
Question 6
Please explain how the
principles for valuing shares in
an unquoted company might
differ when valuing the shares
for ITEPA or CGT purposes from
IHT purposes.
©2013 Pett, Franklin & Co. LLP www.pettfranklin.com 7
Question 7
Could you describe
HMRC’s views regarding
the Information
Standard?
©2013 Pett, Franklin & Co. LLP www.pettfranklin.com 8
Question 8
Do HMRC ever encounter situations where there
are transfers of shares and/or option awards
being made at or about the same time for
different tax purposes e.g. EMI option grants ,
CT deductions, CGT calculations, IHT valuations,
stamp duty where market values are needed for
different purposes. If so is it possible to have
different taxable market values agreed for the
same share at the same time ?
©2013 Pett, Franklin & Co. LLP www.pettfranklin.com 9
Question 9
Given that the statutory basis of valuation is the same
for ITEPA and CGT purposes is it conceivable that a
valuation accepted for say an ITEPA purpose would not
automatically be acceptable for CGT purposes as well
for exactly the same shareholding at the same time —
and vice versa?
• For example if a share award market value is agreed under a PTVC (or the self-
assessment return process) for ITEPA purposes does it automatically follow that
the same value will apply as the base cost for CGT purposes of those same shares
if or when they are sold?
©2013 Pett, Franklin & Co. LLP www.pettfranklin.com 10
Question 10
If a valuation has not already been agreed under
the PTVC procedure, and the employee merely
records the award of an employment security in
his tax return giving details of the awards and an
unagreed value, how long does HMRC have to
raise a question with the taxpayer on the value
shown on the return before the valuation is
effectively agreed through the self-assessment
tax return process?
©2013 Pett, Franklin & Co. LLP www.pettfranklin.com 11
Question 11
The QTS proposed that for
quoted securities the ¼ up basis
should be replaced with the
closing price. What point have
these proposals reached?
©2013 Pett, Franklin & Co. LLP www.pettfranklin.com 12
Recent Share
Valuation Cases
©2013 Pett, Franklin & Co. LLP www.pettfranklin.com 13
NEXT WEBINAR
David Pett on the new Employee Ownership
Trusts 2 December 2014
Register an interest now by emailing
shanel.nelson@pettfranklin.com
©2013 Pett, Franklin & Co. LLP www.pettfranklin.com 14
Contact details
David Pett david.pett@pettfranklin.com mobile: 07836 657 658
William Franklin william.franklin@pettfranklin.com mobile: 07889 726767
Stephen Woodhouse stephen.woodhouse@pettfranklin.com mobile: 07836 756031
Office: 0121 348 7878
Twitter: www.twitter.com/pettfranklinLLP
For lots of information, go to our website:
www.pettfranklin.com
©2014 Pett, Franklin & Co. LLP www.pettfranklin.com 15

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Current Share Valuation Issues and Questions to HMRC

  • 1. Current Share Valuation Issues and Questions to HMRC William Franklin and Stephen Woodhouse Partners www.pettfranklin.com 6 November 2014
  • 2. Introduction Barry Roland Assistant Director HMRC Shares Valuation ©2014 Pett, Franklin & Co. LLP www.pettfranklin.com 1
  • 3. Question 1 How is the Share Valuation Department at HMRC structured? ©2013 Pett, Franklin & Co. LLP www.pettfranklin.com 2
  • 4. Question 2 How many cases does Share Valuation deal with each year and from where do they arise e.g. share schemes, ITEPA, IHT, CGT etc? ©2013 Pett, Franklin & Co. LLP www.pettfranklin.com 3
  • 5. Question 3 What operational changes have Share Valuation made in the last couple of years or so and what others are planned? ©2013 Pett, Franklin & Co. LLP www.pettfranklin.com 4
  • 6. Question 4 Growth shares with complicated Articles have become more popular in recent years and have required Shares Valuation to allocate substantial resources to deal with them. How do you believe practitioners could present valuations for growth shares better and in a form which would make it easier for HMRC to review and agree growth shares valuations? ©2013 Pett, Franklin & Co. LLP www.pettfranklin.com 5
  • 7. Question 5 Could you describe HMRC’s policy regarding the agreement of EMI valuations after the awards have been granted and the relevant time limits? ©2013 Pett, Franklin & Co. LLP www.pettfranklin.com 6
  • 8. Question 6 Please explain how the principles for valuing shares in an unquoted company might differ when valuing the shares for ITEPA or CGT purposes from IHT purposes. ©2013 Pett, Franklin & Co. LLP www.pettfranklin.com 7
  • 9. Question 7 Could you describe HMRC’s views regarding the Information Standard? ©2013 Pett, Franklin & Co. LLP www.pettfranklin.com 8
  • 10. Question 8 Do HMRC ever encounter situations where there are transfers of shares and/or option awards being made at or about the same time for different tax purposes e.g. EMI option grants , CT deductions, CGT calculations, IHT valuations, stamp duty where market values are needed for different purposes. If so is it possible to have different taxable market values agreed for the same share at the same time ? ©2013 Pett, Franklin & Co. LLP www.pettfranklin.com 9
  • 11. Question 9 Given that the statutory basis of valuation is the same for ITEPA and CGT purposes is it conceivable that a valuation accepted for say an ITEPA purpose would not automatically be acceptable for CGT purposes as well for exactly the same shareholding at the same time — and vice versa? • For example if a share award market value is agreed under a PTVC (or the self- assessment return process) for ITEPA purposes does it automatically follow that the same value will apply as the base cost for CGT purposes of those same shares if or when they are sold? ©2013 Pett, Franklin & Co. LLP www.pettfranklin.com 10
  • 12. Question 10 If a valuation has not already been agreed under the PTVC procedure, and the employee merely records the award of an employment security in his tax return giving details of the awards and an unagreed value, how long does HMRC have to raise a question with the taxpayer on the value shown on the return before the valuation is effectively agreed through the self-assessment tax return process? ©2013 Pett, Franklin & Co. LLP www.pettfranklin.com 11
  • 13. Question 11 The QTS proposed that for quoted securities the ¼ up basis should be replaced with the closing price. What point have these proposals reached? ©2013 Pett, Franklin & Co. LLP www.pettfranklin.com 12
  • 14. Recent Share Valuation Cases ©2013 Pett, Franklin & Co. LLP www.pettfranklin.com 13
  • 15. NEXT WEBINAR David Pett on the new Employee Ownership Trusts 2 December 2014 Register an interest now by emailing shanel.nelson@pettfranklin.com ©2013 Pett, Franklin & Co. LLP www.pettfranklin.com 14
  • 16. Contact details David Pett david.pett@pettfranklin.com mobile: 07836 657 658 William Franklin william.franklin@pettfranklin.com mobile: 07889 726767 Stephen Woodhouse stephen.woodhouse@pettfranklin.com mobile: 07836 756031 Office: 0121 348 7878 Twitter: www.twitter.com/pettfranklinLLP For lots of information, go to our website: www.pettfranklin.com ©2014 Pett, Franklin & Co. LLP www.pettfranklin.com 15