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The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other
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J. F. Lewis. Fiesta española
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Spanish and American Fandangos 2
First access to the field: research on oral improvisation.
The poets in the Subbeticas (Genil River Valley)
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Manuel Blasco. Los verdiales
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Singing fandangos in a Peña
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The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other
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1. Southern Fandangos
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• Series of verses (octosyllabic quatrains and limericks)
• Usually according to the dance
• Instrumental accompaniment:
A) Fandangos VERDIALES: guitars and other stringed and percussion
instruments
B) Fandangos de HUELVA: flute and tambourine
• Phrygian scale (more on this later).
• Ternary rhythm, always integrated in 12 beat cycles
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KNOWN AS:
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Verdiales in oriental Andalucía
Fandangos in Huelva
Malagueñas in the area of Murcia
Rondeñas, fandangos and malagueñas in Castilia (even
Gredos),
Malagueñas in the Canary Islands
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Its popularity was what motivated musicians like
Albéniz, Ernesto Lecuona Sarasate and so on, to
compose their artistic malagueñas
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And also, that popularity motivated the emergence
of many flamenco malagueñas and other songs of
the same type or family, such as granadinas,
tarantas, fandangos, and rondeñas.
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2. The “other fandangos”.
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But, there were other types of music called fandangos, that did not
follow the characteristic musical form of the South’s fandangos. e.g.
in Spain, México, Puerto Rico, Cuba, Venezuela, Colombia, Brazil,
Panama…
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Why does the same word, fandangos, designate diverse musical
realities? Looking at musical features alone does not provide the answer
(although there do exist some common musical features).
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There always appears a common element in which all fandangos
coincide. This may not be in the musical form alone, but in the fact that
all these songs are linked, maybe in the past, to a specific type of
dance, danced in specific kinds of festive gatherings. Almost always
involving dancing couples.
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First Conclusion:
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Although fandangos colloquially referred to the type of
gathering (dance parties), through a process of semantic
reduction - a metonymic type of reduction - it ended up
referring to the musical component of the gathering.
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The process of metonymy seems to be ancient, and would
have begun even when these parties started to lose
popularity, even in the first half of XIX century, if not
before, (according to place).
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The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other
Spanish and American Fandangos 20	

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So what is the best way to investigate the connections between
fandango music in Spain and fandango music in America?
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The way I follow and propose here is:
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Expand the comparative frame to something more that the
South’s fandangos.
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Thus, in Spain, the three most typical generic designations for
traditional couple dances are fandangos, jotas and seguidillas,
and any of these could have influenced fandango music in
America
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Jotas, seguidillas, and fandangos
as “fandango music”. Common traits
• They are sung in couplets, a solo + orchestral accompaniments, for
dances with couples.
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• A “popular orchestra”, with string predominance, highlighting the
strummed guitar family; percussion instruments like tambourine,
castanets, and other home instruments.
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• A similar structure: Instrumental introduction/ couplet /
instrumental interlude/ couplet/ instrumental interlude… sung and
danced in sessions with an undetermined number of couplets.
Predominance of instrumental choruses (interludes), rarely sung.
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The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other
Spanish and American Fandangos 22	

Jotas, seguidillas, and fandangos
as “fandangos music”. Common traits
• Ternary rhythm, integrated almost invariably in harmonic rhythmic
cycles of 6 or 12 times, this is an idiomatic constant in this whole
repertoire of dances. Not so frequent the alternating cycle of 12
times 3+3+2+2+2, although the prosody of the octosyllabic verse -
very common in this type of music - contains in itself the tendency to
that rhythmic structuring.
• Our hypothesis is: this trend merged historically in America, maybe
by the interaction with the arrived rhythms from African musical
culture. And this evolutionary process influenced Spain since the
beginning of colonial times, and it could be traced in the musical
pieces of dance since the end of 16th century: Canarios, Zarabands
Chaconas…
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Spanish and American Fandangos 23
Jotas, seguidillas, and fandangos
as “fandangos music”. Common traits
• • Sung in octosyllabic quatrains and limericks, the seguidillas are
sung in the seguidilla's quatrain.
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• The predominant musical modes:
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• Mi mode or Phrygian sonority in southern fandangos;
• lonic mode (or the C mode, or major scale) and the
• Eolian mode (or the A mode or minor scale).
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(Almost no presence of the Mixolydian mode, or G mode, nowadays
hardly any is present in the Spanish traditional music).
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Spanish and American Fandangos 24	

Recreation of the festive contexts of those parties, according
to testimonials of old partiers. The customs nowadays: partly
disappeared or very evolved, but his ritual continued (more
or less) popular, in rural zones in the south of Spain, until the
sixties of 20th century.	

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That ritual coincides in its main traces with the ritual
described in the ancient texts about the dances of candil in the
19th century (Afán de Ribera, Estébanez Calderón and a long
etcetera). And even in the late 18th (José Blanco White, José
Cadalso and others).
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The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other
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Social conventions
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On weekends –Saturdays in the afternoon/night-, or on special specific
dates of every community. In this case, with a ritual more complex.
The place: private houses or in common places: small squares,
courtyards...
They were the main occasions to initiate or reinforce the relationships
between young women and men. They, men and women used to be
located in separated areas. Some specific ways through which men asked
women for a dance.
Many couplets: improvised, depending on events of the parties. Frequently,
ending the dance, parties tended to continue with clashes of improvised
couplets.
Always, some sorts of symbolic authority for every occasion, according to
the traditions of every place. However, fights were frequent, mainly
prompted by jealousies.
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Spanish and American Fandangos 26	

These parties were one of the main environments, along with
the theatrical ones, where flamenco emerged, particularly in
some cities of the southern of Spain.
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So, flamenco, especially in its early stages, inherited from
fandangos not only the music, but some sort of ritual
conventions taking place in old flamenco parties. As the 19th
century progressed, those environments were becoming more
theatrical, conquering new scenarios
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The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other
Spanish and American Fandangos 27	

3. The American fandango
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Which of these musical and ritual characteristics – that we have
just outlined here - have I found in American fandangos?
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As shown in the preliminary program: What are some of the
shared formal features—musical, choreographic, or lyric—that
can be discerned in the diverse constituents of the fandango family
in Spain and the Americas? What is the genealogy of the
fandango’s rhythm, verse, melodic structures, and improvisational
syntax?
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We cannot solve, of course, all these questions, but some issues
may be illuminated through the linking of some musical,
historical and ethnographic data.
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The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other
Spanish and American Fandangos 28
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Spanish and American Fandangos 29
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Spanish and American Fandangos 30
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Spanish and American Fandangos 31	

Jácara
El fandanguito
Joropo
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Spanish and American Fandangos 32
Guárdame… Aguilandos Polo
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Spanish and American Fandangos 33
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Spanish and American Fandangos 34
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The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other
Spanish and American Fandangos 35	

Zarabanda Galerón Jarabe loco
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The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other
Spanish and American Fandangos 36	

CONCLUSIONS
Spanish and American fandangos, although presenting significant
differences, maintain many commonalities, both music and ritual.
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Both: are linked, directly or indirectly, to the dance.
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Many Americans Fandangos are based in rhythmic-harmonic structures
similar to some dance variations of Spanish Baroque dance.
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Over a ternary rhythmic base integrated in cycles of 6 or 12, soloists sing a
free line “modal melody type”, guided by the underlying harmonic
rhythm. The 12 hemiolas are very common in American fandango, which
demonstrates a greater rhythmic complexity.
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The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other
Spanish and American Fandangos 37	

CONCLUSIONS
Many Americans fandangos: interesting similarities with Dance Music
Spanish Baroque. Two idiosyncratic sonorities stand out:
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Ambivalence / minor and Phrygian (Guárdame las vacas in late 15th and
16th century, 17th century Jácaras, 18th century Fandangos)
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Ambivalence major / mixolydian (zarabandas, chaconas, zarambeques,
cumbés, canarios, jácaras de la costa). This is very abundant in the
American fandango. In Spain, it practically does not appear in any traditional
popular music except in some romances, dance tunes such as fandango parao
in Alosno, Huelva and some others. Also in the medieval music of the Cantigas
de Santa María (Cantigas 29 and 383 for ex.).
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Hypothesis about mixolydian mode: in Spain has been subsumed in the major
sonoritie, whereas their American relatives have developed, perhaps due to the
influence of African and American sounds.	

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The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other
Spanish and American Fandangos 38	

CONCLUSIONS
Other continuities between Spanish and American fandango: not
between the Southern Spanish and American fandango (we only know
the case of the Malagueña from Margaret Island), but between the
traditional music of dancing couples from both sides of the Atlantic.
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The introduction/lyric/interlude/lyric/interlude structure,
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The strophic forms of the songs,
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The importance of the little orchestra filled with plucked and
strummed strings (and harp in some American regions)…
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All stand out as similarities.
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The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other
Spanish and American Fandangos 39	

CONCLUSIONS
Also the performances include the same importance of lyrical
improvisation. This characteristic has remained prevalent in
American countries, most prevalent within the décima.
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Notable differences: the increased presence of the floorboards,
the footwork, the outfits and scarves ... in American dances, but
this deserves its own distinct detailed study.
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The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other
Spanish and American Fandangos 40	

CONCLUSIONS
Ritual: interesting connections between fandangos from both sides of
Atlantic:
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Certain commonalities between the ritual of Spanish and American
fandangos also show the interesting cultural continuities in the general
festive ethos. Paraphrasing Gessica Gottfried (2009), we recognize that
both are - or were - a festive ritual of integration. This statement would
demand, logically, a more in-depth analysis, but it still highlights
certain continuities from readings or particular chronic parties.
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Personally, from the prior knowledge we had of the fandango in
southern Spain, we have seen it in the case of Mexico, and specifically
the jarochos fandangos, of which we have had munch more opportunity
to read.	

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The Fandangos of southern Spain in the Context of other Spanish and American Fandangos

  • 1. ! The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other Spanish and American Fandangos 1 J. F. Lewis. Fiesta española
  • 2. ! The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other Spanish and American Fandangos 2 First access to the field: research on oral improvisation. The poets in the Subbeticas (Genil River Valley)
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  • 6. ! The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other Spanish and American Fandangos 6 Manuel Blasco. Los verdiales
  • 7. ! The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other Spanish and American Fandangos 7 Singing fandangos in a Peña
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  • 15. ! The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other Spanish and American Fandangos ! ! ! ! ! 1. Southern Fandangos ! ! • Series of verses (octosyllabic quatrains and limericks) • Usually according to the dance • Instrumental accompaniment: A) Fandangos VERDIALES: guitars and other stringed and percussion instruments B) Fandangos de HUELVA: flute and tambourine • Phrygian scale (more on this later). • Ternary rhythm, always integrated in 12 beat cycles
  • 16. ! The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other Spanish and American Fandangos 16 KNOWN AS: ! Verdiales in oriental Andalucía Fandangos in Huelva Malagueñas in the area of Murcia Rondeñas, fandangos and malagueñas in Castilia (even Gredos), Malagueñas in the Canary Islands
  • 17. ! The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other Spanish and American Fandangos 17 ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Its popularity was what motivated musicians like Albéniz, Ernesto Lecuona Sarasate and so on, to compose their artistic malagueñas ! ! And also, that popularity motivated the emergence of many flamenco malagueñas and other songs of the same type or family, such as granadinas, tarantas, fandangos, and rondeñas. ! !
  • 18. ! The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other Spanish and American Fandangos 18 ! ! 2. The “other fandangos”. ! But, there were other types of music called fandangos, that did not follow the characteristic musical form of the South’s fandangos. e.g. in Spain, México, Puerto Rico, Cuba, Venezuela, Colombia, Brazil, Panama… ! Why does the same word, fandangos, designate diverse musical realities? Looking at musical features alone does not provide the answer (although there do exist some common musical features). ! There always appears a common element in which all fandangos coincide. This may not be in the musical form alone, but in the fact that all these songs are linked, maybe in the past, to a specific type of dance, danced in specific kinds of festive gatherings. Almost always involving dancing couples.
  • 19. ! The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other Spanish and American Fandangos 19 First Conclusion: ! Although fandangos colloquially referred to the type of gathering (dance parties), through a process of semantic reduction - a metonymic type of reduction - it ended up referring to the musical component of the gathering. ! The process of metonymy seems to be ancient, and would have begun even when these parties started to lose popularity, even in the first half of XIX century, if not before, (according to place).
  • 20. ! The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other Spanish and American Fandangos 20 ! ! ! So what is the best way to investigate the connections between fandango music in Spain and fandango music in America? ! The way I follow and propose here is: ! Expand the comparative frame to something more that the South’s fandangos. ! Thus, in Spain, the three most typical generic designations for traditional couple dances are fandangos, jotas and seguidillas, and any of these could have influenced fandango music in America
  • 21. ! The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other Spanish and American Fandangos 21 Jotas, seguidillas, and fandangos as “fandango music”. Common traits • They are sung in couplets, a solo + orchestral accompaniments, for dances with couples. ! • A “popular orchestra”, with string predominance, highlighting the strummed guitar family; percussion instruments like tambourine, castanets, and other home instruments. ! • A similar structure: Instrumental introduction/ couplet / instrumental interlude/ couplet/ instrumental interlude… sung and danced in sessions with an undetermined number of couplets. Predominance of instrumental choruses (interludes), rarely sung.
  • 22. ! The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other Spanish and American Fandangos 22 Jotas, seguidillas, and fandangos as “fandangos music”. Common traits • Ternary rhythm, integrated almost invariably in harmonic rhythmic cycles of 6 or 12 times, this is an idiomatic constant in this whole repertoire of dances. Not so frequent the alternating cycle of 12 times 3+3+2+2+2, although the prosody of the octosyllabic verse - very common in this type of music - contains in itself the tendency to that rhythmic structuring. • Our hypothesis is: this trend merged historically in America, maybe by the interaction with the arrived rhythms from African musical culture. And this evolutionary process influenced Spain since the beginning of colonial times, and it could be traced in the musical pieces of dance since the end of 16th century: Canarios, Zarabands Chaconas…
  • 23. ! The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other Spanish and American Fandangos 23 Jotas, seguidillas, and fandangos as “fandangos music”. Common traits • • Sung in octosyllabic quatrains and limericks, the seguidillas are sung in the seguidilla's quatrain. ! • The predominant musical modes: ! • Mi mode or Phrygian sonority in southern fandangos; • lonic mode (or the C mode, or major scale) and the • Eolian mode (or the A mode or minor scale). ! (Almost no presence of the Mixolydian mode, or G mode, nowadays hardly any is present in the Spanish traditional music). ! !
  • 24. ! The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other Spanish and American Fandangos 24 Recreation of the festive contexts of those parties, according to testimonials of old partiers. The customs nowadays: partly disappeared or very evolved, but his ritual continued (more or less) popular, in rural zones in the south of Spain, until the sixties of 20th century. ! ! That ritual coincides in its main traces with the ritual described in the ancient texts about the dances of candil in the 19th century (Afán de Ribera, Estébanez Calderón and a long etcetera). And even in the late 18th (José Blanco White, José Cadalso and others). ! !
  • 25. ! The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other Spanish and American Fandangos 25 Social conventions ! ! On weekends –Saturdays in the afternoon/night-, or on special specific dates of every community. In this case, with a ritual more complex. The place: private houses or in common places: small squares, courtyards... They were the main occasions to initiate or reinforce the relationships between young women and men. They, men and women used to be located in separated areas. Some specific ways through which men asked women for a dance. Many couplets: improvised, depending on events of the parties. Frequently, ending the dance, parties tended to continue with clashes of improvised couplets. Always, some sorts of symbolic authority for every occasion, according to the traditions of every place. However, fights were frequent, mainly prompted by jealousies.
  • 26. ! The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other Spanish and American Fandangos 26 These parties were one of the main environments, along with the theatrical ones, where flamenco emerged, particularly in some cities of the southern of Spain. ! So, flamenco, especially in its early stages, inherited from fandangos not only the music, but some sort of ritual conventions taking place in old flamenco parties. As the 19th century progressed, those environments were becoming more theatrical, conquering new scenarios
  • 27. ! The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other Spanish and American Fandangos 27 3. The American fandango ! Which of these musical and ritual characteristics – that we have just outlined here - have I found in American fandangos? ! As shown in the preliminary program: What are some of the shared formal features—musical, choreographic, or lyric—that can be discerned in the diverse constituents of the fandango family in Spain and the Americas? What is the genealogy of the fandango’s rhythm, verse, melodic structures, and improvisational syntax? ! We cannot solve, of course, all these questions, but some issues may be illuminated through the linking of some musical, historical and ethnographic data.
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  • 31. ! The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other Spanish and American Fandangos 31 Jácara El fandanguito Joropo
  • 32. ! The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other Spanish and American Fandangos 32 Guárdame… Aguilandos Polo
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  • 35. ! The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other Spanish and American Fandangos 35 Zarabanda Galerón Jarabe loco
  • 36. ! The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other Spanish and American Fandangos 36 CONCLUSIONS Spanish and American fandangos, although presenting significant differences, maintain many commonalities, both music and ritual. ! Both: are linked, directly or indirectly, to the dance. ! Many Americans Fandangos are based in rhythmic-harmonic structures similar to some dance variations of Spanish Baroque dance. ! Over a ternary rhythmic base integrated in cycles of 6 or 12, soloists sing a free line “modal melody type”, guided by the underlying harmonic rhythm. The 12 hemiolas are very common in American fandango, which demonstrates a greater rhythmic complexity.
  • 37. ! The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other Spanish and American Fandangos 37 CONCLUSIONS Many Americans fandangos: interesting similarities with Dance Music Spanish Baroque. Two idiosyncratic sonorities stand out: ! Ambivalence / minor and Phrygian (Guárdame las vacas in late 15th and 16th century, 17th century Jácaras, 18th century Fandangos) ! Ambivalence major / mixolydian (zarabandas, chaconas, zarambeques, cumbés, canarios, jácaras de la costa). This is very abundant in the American fandango. In Spain, it practically does not appear in any traditional popular music except in some romances, dance tunes such as fandango parao in Alosno, Huelva and some others. Also in the medieval music of the Cantigas de Santa María (Cantigas 29 and 383 for ex.). ! Hypothesis about mixolydian mode: in Spain has been subsumed in the major sonoritie, whereas their American relatives have developed, perhaps due to the influence of African and American sounds. .
  • 38. ! The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other Spanish and American Fandangos 38 CONCLUSIONS Other continuities between Spanish and American fandango: not between the Southern Spanish and American fandango (we only know the case of the Malagueña from Margaret Island), but between the traditional music of dancing couples from both sides of the Atlantic. ! The introduction/lyric/interlude/lyric/interlude structure, ! The strophic forms of the songs, ! The importance of the little orchestra filled with plucked and strummed strings (and harp in some American regions)… ! All stand out as similarities.
  • 39. ! The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other Spanish and American Fandangos 39 CONCLUSIONS Also the performances include the same importance of lyrical improvisation. This characteristic has remained prevalent in American countries, most prevalent within the décima. ! Notable differences: the increased presence of the floorboards, the footwork, the outfits and scarves ... in American dances, but this deserves its own distinct detailed study.
  • 40. ! The Fandangos of Southern Spain in the Context of other Spanish and American Fandangos 40 CONCLUSIONS Ritual: interesting connections between fandangos from both sides of Atlantic: ! Certain commonalities between the ritual of Spanish and American fandangos also show the interesting cultural continuities in the general festive ethos. Paraphrasing Gessica Gottfried (2009), we recognize that both are - or were - a festive ritual of integration. This statement would demand, logically, a more in-depth analysis, but it still highlights certain continuities from readings or particular chronic parties. ! Personally, from the prior knowledge we had of the fandango in southern Spain, we have seen it in the case of Mexico, and specifically the jarochos fandangos, of which we have had munch more opportunity to read. !