Doug McCarron, president of the UBC, was challenged by a member about his handling of Michael Forde, a New York Carpenters Union official who is serving an 11-year prison sentence. The member questioned why McCarron did not remove Forde from office earlier given his illegal activities. McCarron defended himself by saying the members elected Forde and implied he had limited ability to remove him. The conversation became heated with both sides accusing the other of wrongdoing. The document claims McCarron lied about investigations into his brother.

1. NOT
PRESIDENTIAL
MCCARRON!
UBC General President Doug
McCarron challenged by invited
member to the International
Training Center, in Las Vegas

2. BACKGROUND
• A recorded exchange with Doug McCarron
and a member attending the UBC
Leadership Conference at the
International Training Center, in Las
Vegas. During the conference’s question
and answer period, the member
questioned McCarron’s mishandling of a
New York Carpenters Union official
Michael Forde, who is now serving-out an
11 year prison sentence.
Michael Forde
Former Executive Secretary of the
NY District Council of Carpenters
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3. TRANSCRIPT
• Member: Forde (Michael Forde)
• Member: You left him in office for so many years . . . he destroyed us
• McCarron: I left him in?
• Member: Why didn’t you take him out?
• McCarron: You elected the fuckin guy
• Member: He was found guilty in a court, Mr. McCarron
• McCarron: He’s gone
• Member: He should have been thrown out . . . any man in the right mind
can know that the man was on drugs for so many years
• McCarron: Wait a minute
• Member: Did you know he was on drugs?
• McCarron: I didn’t. But, I’m going tell you this . . . . you elected the
fuckin guy
• Member: Listen, you’re in control. You should have bailed Mike out of
there, instead of cutting a deal with Brian McGuire, Gary Rothman,
Silverman, Pete Thomason, Dennis Shield. Pete Thomason robbed
us blind. Where’s the money that we got from Pete Thomason?
• McCarron: Let me tell you something . . . you’re full of shit!
• Member: I am?
• McCarron: I’m going tell you something else
• Member: We ask the questions here McCarron. What’s the status? Explain
to us what’s going on with your brother.
• McCarron: Oh, I’ll explain it . . . I’ll, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll explain to you about my
brother. Let me tell you this . . . you want me to take Mike
Forde out . . . what do you think I shit ice cream?
• Member: You should have taken him out a long time ago
• McCarron: Ok, now, now, the deal with my brother: We’re suing him for
$5.3 million dollars. Plus we’re suing for another $600,000. The
Department of Labor is up his ass. He’s in big fuckin trouble.

4. McCarron Lies to the
Membership!
To this day, the Department of
Labor has not investigated Mike
McCarron for anything.
The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals
ruled Mike McCarron
innocent of owing $5.3 million . . .
awarding damages to the SWRCC
constituted an inappropriate
windfall and a miscarriage of
justice.