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The Essence of Teachings:

Emptiness -Neither Existence Nor Voidness (11)

•	 The Perception of “Time” from Scientists
•	 Past, Present and Future
The Perception of “Time” from
Scientists

By Vajra Master Yeshe Thaye
Transcribed by To Sau-chu and Byron K.K. Yiu
(Lecture delivered : July 10, 2003)

We have mentioned about the perception of “time”
from the “Buddhist Dharma” in the last session, but
what about the perception of “time” from the scientists?
They believe that the concept of “time” is relative, and
that both the concepts of “time” and “space” have been
formed amidst the state of emptiness. As such they are
all hypothetical in nature, and not real. If we eliminate
the concept of “time”, then this whole “universe” will
stop right at a split-second of “eternality”. It is because
from their point of view, if there is no action, then there
will be no element of “time”. Hence, if we eliminate
the element of “time”, then the whole “universe” will
be halted and stop at a split-second of eternality. On
the other hand, if we eliminate the element of “space”,
then the whole “universe” will be rather chaotic. This
is basically the kind of perspective from the scientists.

example, the Venerable Master Hsu Yun had once
tried to “meditate” for a short while as he was baking
some sweet potatoes. After he had come out from his
“meditation”, he found out that the sweet potatoes had
all already become mouldy. Actually, he had already
sat on “meditation” for more than three months, but he
felt like that he had only sat for a short while. It means
that when one enters into the stage of “meditation”,
the dynamics of one’s “mind” have already stopped,
or have already stayed at one particular thought,
or even have entered into a very profound level of
spiritual realm, and so there will not be any activity, or
else the activity would have slowed down. At this very
stage, there will not be any element of “time” at all.
The Venerable Master Hsu Yun was one of the great
Dharma practitioners of our time, and so this proved to
be a very good example for our illustration. Hence, the
Lord Buddha had told us that: “Immeasurable kalpas
is one thought, and one thought is immeasurable
kalpas”. Hence, all the concepts of “time” and “space”
are really meaningless to Him. In fact, there is “no
time” at all, but because we need to classify things,
or to make it easier for someone to understand
something better, and that is why we need to create
the concept of “time”.

So, what is the perspective of the “Buddhist Dharma”?
According to “The Practices and Vows of The
Bodhisattva Samantabhadra”, it uses another
level to describe the element of “time”. It states that:
“Immeasurable kalpas is one thought, and one thought
is immeasurable kalpas”. Then, what is the meaning
of “immeasurable kalpas is one thought”? Indeed,
immeasurable kalpas is a very extensive and long
period of “time”. But, for all the Buddhas, this is just
equivalent to a thought, a very short period of time.
But a thought is very short but it is also equivalent to
immeasurable kalpas.

Scientists have discovered that 10 to the minus 43
second after the “big explosion”, the objective reality
still did not exist, which means that by the time when
“all the necessary phenomena that were related to
the explosion still had not yet emerged, there was
a “gap” of vacuum “time” that had appeared. Within
this gap, and amidst that very emptiness, there were
no “time” and also no “space”, and so it actually was
nothingness inside emptiness. This is very similar to
what “The Platform Sutra of the Sixth Patriarch”
has mentioned about the spiritual realm of “originally

If you do not understand, then you can try to imagine
that some of those Dharma practitioners who have
high levels of “meditation”, such that they can sit
and meditate for more than ten days. After they have
come out from their “meditations”, you may then ask
them as to how long had they been sitting for their
“meditations”, upon which they would probably tell you
that they were just meditating for a short while. For
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there is nothing”. It was only after the appearances of
radiation and the great expansion that the elements
of “time” and “space” had finally emerged. All these
things seemed to have followed the phenomena
of “the cycle of cause and effect”. In other words,
scientists have increasingly discovered that there are
some things, and that these things are getting closer
and closer to what the Lord Buddha had told us 2,550
years ago. You may think that the 10 to the minus 43
second elapses very quickly; but then to the most of
us, this 10 to the minus 43 second within the universe
can be considered as a very long period of “time”.

the “future”.
As such, we
have divided
up a certain
portion
of
the
“time”
element
as
the
“past”,
while another
portion
of
“time” as the
“future”. But,
you
should
not forget that
“time” will not stop. The very moment that we had
just called as the “present” has already elapsed as
the “past”, while what was considered as the “future”
just now has now quickly turned into the position of
the “present”. Therefore, the position of the “future”
in the beginning has now become the “present”. And
when we still continue to wait for a little while, then
what we have called as the “future” at that moment
has now already become the “past”. As “time” has
continued to change and will not stop, and so it will
form a phenomenon where “past is future, future is
past and present is future”.

Past, Present and Future
The “Avatamsaka Sutra” states that: “All Bodhisattvas
clearly realize the worlds of the three times.” It means
that: “All the Bodhisattvas completely understand all
kinds of explanations on the past, present and future
times.” Then what do they understand? It says: “The
past is future”, which means that the past is indeed
the future; “The future is past”, which means that
the future is indeed the past; “The present is future”,
which means that the present is indeed the future; all
the Bodhisattvas have already completely understood
these phenomena. But only us who do not understand
these at all.

Hence, for what we have said above, all Bodhisattvas
have already understood this phenomenon and the
rationale behind it, but only us who simply do not
know of this. Hence, “past is present” means the socalled “present” is actually the “past” towards the next
moment. That is the reason why the “past is present”.
It is simply because of the fact that this concept of
“time” is relative in nature.

Again, the “Avatamsaka Sutra” states that: “during
a snap of the fingers, there are hundreds of tens of
thousands of kalpas.” This is similar to the abovementioned explanation on the “one thought is equal to
immeasurable kalpas”. This is simply because “time”
is relative, and thus it will form a phenomenon where
the past is future, the future is past, and the present
is future.

All these conceptual stuff are actually what we
have formulated for ourselves, yet these things are
completely non-existent in the Buddha’s realm. The
Lord Buddha had told us the truth – “there is no time”.
It means that there is no absolute “time”, which is
indeed the truth. This is, in fact, the same as from the
view of science. When comparing with the sciences,
the “cognitions of the Buddhist Dharma” can even
be seen as more advanced. The “Buddhist Dharma”
is, indeed, a kind of truth, such that when comparing
with all other sciences and religions, it comprehends
better on the profound abstruseness of Nature. This
is simply because the Realm and Wisdom of the
“Buddhas” are surpassingly the highest, the most
thorough and most complete. Thus, the “Buddhas”,
with their true understandings of the universe, tried
to tell the human beings and hope to lead them away
from the constrains of the “tractional forces” in order to
become liberated from Samsara. As such, we should
cherish and practice these “cognitions of the Buddhist
Dharma”. … (To be continued)

First of all, let us try to explain what all these
really mean. It is because if we do have profound
understandings of these kinds of “cognitions”,
then it is similar to the replacement of a set of new
conceptual understandings that are similar to what the
Lord Buddha had understood. As such, our Dharma
practices can achieve twice the results with only half
the efforts. Let us take a look at what is meant by the
relative concept. In fact, “time” can be described as
having “no beginning and no ending”, and basically
there is no division at all. Nonetheless, in order for
us to understand what is the “past” and what is the
“future”, then we are forced to clearly divide this by
cutting it right here and now.
Take for instance, I take this very moment when I am
speaking as the “present”, with a moment ago as the
“past”, while further extending this moment to become
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  • 1. The Essence of Teachings: Emptiness -Neither Existence Nor Voidness (11) • The Perception of “Time” from Scientists • Past, Present and Future The Perception of “Time” from Scientists By Vajra Master Yeshe Thaye Transcribed by To Sau-chu and Byron K.K. Yiu (Lecture delivered : July 10, 2003) We have mentioned about the perception of “time” from the “Buddhist Dharma” in the last session, but what about the perception of “time” from the scientists? They believe that the concept of “time” is relative, and that both the concepts of “time” and “space” have been formed amidst the state of emptiness. As such they are all hypothetical in nature, and not real. If we eliminate the concept of “time”, then this whole “universe” will stop right at a split-second of “eternality”. It is because from their point of view, if there is no action, then there will be no element of “time”. Hence, if we eliminate the element of “time”, then the whole “universe” will be halted and stop at a split-second of eternality. On the other hand, if we eliminate the element of “space”, then the whole “universe” will be rather chaotic. This is basically the kind of perspective from the scientists. example, the Venerable Master Hsu Yun had once tried to “meditate” for a short while as he was baking some sweet potatoes. After he had come out from his “meditation”, he found out that the sweet potatoes had all already become mouldy. Actually, he had already sat on “meditation” for more than three months, but he felt like that he had only sat for a short while. It means that when one enters into the stage of “meditation”, the dynamics of one’s “mind” have already stopped, or have already stayed at one particular thought, or even have entered into a very profound level of spiritual realm, and so there will not be any activity, or else the activity would have slowed down. At this very stage, there will not be any element of “time” at all. The Venerable Master Hsu Yun was one of the great Dharma practitioners of our time, and so this proved to be a very good example for our illustration. Hence, the Lord Buddha had told us that: “Immeasurable kalpas is one thought, and one thought is immeasurable kalpas”. Hence, all the concepts of “time” and “space” are really meaningless to Him. In fact, there is “no time” at all, but because we need to classify things, or to make it easier for someone to understand something better, and that is why we need to create the concept of “time”. So, what is the perspective of the “Buddhist Dharma”? According to “The Practices and Vows of The Bodhisattva Samantabhadra”, it uses another level to describe the element of “time”. It states that: “Immeasurable kalpas is one thought, and one thought is immeasurable kalpas”. Then, what is the meaning of “immeasurable kalpas is one thought”? Indeed, immeasurable kalpas is a very extensive and long period of “time”. But, for all the Buddhas, this is just equivalent to a thought, a very short period of time. But a thought is very short but it is also equivalent to immeasurable kalpas. Scientists have discovered that 10 to the minus 43 second after the “big explosion”, the objective reality still did not exist, which means that by the time when “all the necessary phenomena that were related to the explosion still had not yet emerged, there was a “gap” of vacuum “time” that had appeared. Within this gap, and amidst that very emptiness, there were no “time” and also no “space”, and so it actually was nothingness inside emptiness. This is very similar to what “The Platform Sutra of the Sixth Patriarch” has mentioned about the spiritual realm of “originally If you do not understand, then you can try to imagine that some of those Dharma practitioners who have high levels of “meditation”, such that they can sit and meditate for more than ten days. After they have come out from their “meditations”, you may then ask them as to how long had they been sitting for their “meditations”, upon which they would probably tell you that they were just meditating for a short while. For 1 Issue no.16 Dudjom Buddhist Association (International) Tel (852) 2558 3680 Fax (852) 3157 1144 : : 4th Floor, Federal Centre, 77 Sheung On Street, Chaiwan, Hong Kong Youtube www.youtube.com/user/DudjomBuddhist Facebook Website:http://www.dudjomba.com www.facebook.com/DudjomBuddhist Email: info@dudjomba.org.hk 土豆 http://www.tudou.com/home/dudjom 优酷 http://i.youku.com/dudjom Copyright Owner: Dudjom Buddhist Association International Limited 56.com http://i.56.com/Dudjom
  • 2. there is nothing”. It was only after the appearances of radiation and the great expansion that the elements of “time” and “space” had finally emerged. All these things seemed to have followed the phenomena of “the cycle of cause and effect”. In other words, scientists have increasingly discovered that there are some things, and that these things are getting closer and closer to what the Lord Buddha had told us 2,550 years ago. You may think that the 10 to the minus 43 second elapses very quickly; but then to the most of us, this 10 to the minus 43 second within the universe can be considered as a very long period of “time”. the “future”. As such, we have divided up a certain portion of the “time” element as the “past”, while another portion of “time” as the “future”. But, you should not forget that “time” will not stop. The very moment that we had just called as the “present” has already elapsed as the “past”, while what was considered as the “future” just now has now quickly turned into the position of the “present”. Therefore, the position of the “future” in the beginning has now become the “present”. And when we still continue to wait for a little while, then what we have called as the “future” at that moment has now already become the “past”. As “time” has continued to change and will not stop, and so it will form a phenomenon where “past is future, future is past and present is future”. Past, Present and Future The “Avatamsaka Sutra” states that: “All Bodhisattvas clearly realize the worlds of the three times.” It means that: “All the Bodhisattvas completely understand all kinds of explanations on the past, present and future times.” Then what do they understand? It says: “The past is future”, which means that the past is indeed the future; “The future is past”, which means that the future is indeed the past; “The present is future”, which means that the present is indeed the future; all the Bodhisattvas have already completely understood these phenomena. But only us who do not understand these at all. Hence, for what we have said above, all Bodhisattvas have already understood this phenomenon and the rationale behind it, but only us who simply do not know of this. Hence, “past is present” means the socalled “present” is actually the “past” towards the next moment. That is the reason why the “past is present”. It is simply because of the fact that this concept of “time” is relative in nature. Again, the “Avatamsaka Sutra” states that: “during a snap of the fingers, there are hundreds of tens of thousands of kalpas.” This is similar to the abovementioned explanation on the “one thought is equal to immeasurable kalpas”. This is simply because “time” is relative, and thus it will form a phenomenon where the past is future, the future is past, and the present is future. All these conceptual stuff are actually what we have formulated for ourselves, yet these things are completely non-existent in the Buddha’s realm. The Lord Buddha had told us the truth – “there is no time”. It means that there is no absolute “time”, which is indeed the truth. This is, in fact, the same as from the view of science. When comparing with the sciences, the “cognitions of the Buddhist Dharma” can even be seen as more advanced. The “Buddhist Dharma” is, indeed, a kind of truth, such that when comparing with all other sciences and religions, it comprehends better on the profound abstruseness of Nature. This is simply because the Realm and Wisdom of the “Buddhas” are surpassingly the highest, the most thorough and most complete. Thus, the “Buddhas”, with their true understandings of the universe, tried to tell the human beings and hope to lead them away from the constrains of the “tractional forces” in order to become liberated from Samsara. As such, we should cherish and practice these “cognitions of the Buddhist Dharma”. … (To be continued) First of all, let us try to explain what all these really mean. It is because if we do have profound understandings of these kinds of “cognitions”, then it is similar to the replacement of a set of new conceptual understandings that are similar to what the Lord Buddha had understood. As such, our Dharma practices can achieve twice the results with only half the efforts. Let us take a look at what is meant by the relative concept. In fact, “time” can be described as having “no beginning and no ending”, and basically there is no division at all. Nonetheless, in order for us to understand what is the “past” and what is the “future”, then we are forced to clearly divide this by cutting it right here and now. Take for instance, I take this very moment when I am speaking as the “present”, with a moment ago as the “past”, while further extending this moment to become 2 Issue no.16 Dudjom Buddhist Association (International) Tel (852) 2558 3680 Fax (852) 3157 1144 : : 4th Floor, Federal Centre, 77 Sheung On Street, Chaiwan, Hong Kong Youtube www.youtube.com/user/DudjomBuddhist Facebook Website:http://www.dudjomba.com www.facebook.com/DudjomBuddhist Email: info@dudjomba.org.hk 土豆 http://www.tudou.com/home/dudjom 优酷 http://i.youku.com/dudjom Copyright Owner: Dudjom Buddhist Association International Limited 56.com http://i.56.com/Dudjom