Diabetes and Multi-Vessel CAD
The Decision Making
Mahmoud Sabbah, MD, PhD, FESC, FSCAI
Consultant Interventionalist, Lecturer of Cardiology
Cardiology department, FOM-SCU
Conflict of Interest
I am one of those enemy guys,
“Interventional Cardiologists”
Diffuse and more complex vessel affection (disease
burden)
1/3 of CAD PTs requiring MR are diabetics.
Poor distal targets……incomplete MR, residual
ischemia,
High likely for repeat revascularizations.
 Poorer LV function/recovery independent of
territorial affection.
 Diabetic Coronaries Vs. Diabetic Heart Vs diabetic
CVS.
Diabetic Heart Burden
Decision Making
 When Rx alone is enough?
When to revascularise?
 Which is Better: PCI or CABG?
“Decide for the best strategy from the Pt.'s
perspectives and not from the physician
perspectives”
Patient’s benefit is your only Target
Sabbah 2109.
The medical TTT, PCI, and CABG; should
be look at as a complementary rather than
an alternative strategies
An Important Concept
Sabbah 2109.
Decision Making
Criteria for Decision Making:
 Clinical Status,
 Anatomical complexity of CAD,
 Amount of territorial ischemia
 Predicted surgical mortality,
 Completeness of revascularization.(Functional),
 Patient preferences!!!!!!!!
Decision Making
The Process for decision-making
&
patient information
Patient Involvement in
Decision-Making
 Pts. should be actively participated.
 Provided info. should be unbiased, evidence-based,
up-to-date, reliable, accessible, and relevant.
Procedure-related and long-term risks and benefits
 Uncertainties associated with different treatment
strategies.
PCICABG
Multidisciplinary decision-making
(Heart Team) , Why?
The underuse of revascularization procedures in 18–
40% of CAD
 Inappropriate use of revascularization strategies with
a lack of case discussions, in (10–15%)PCI
The marked variability in PCI-to-CABG ratios
between European countries (ranging from 2.4–7.6 in
2013).
In the USA, up to 30% of patients undergoing ad hoc
PCI are potential candidates for CABG
- Filardo G, et al, EHJ 2001
- Yates et al. Thorac Cardiovasc Surg.2014
When Rx alone is enough?
Rx. Vs.………….others
Coronary Angiography First.
!!!! Why
Criteria for Decision Making:
 Clinical Status,
 Anatomical complexity of CAD,
 Amount of territorial ischemia
 Predicted surgical mortality,
 Completeness of revascularization.(Functional),
 Patient preferences!!!!!!!!
Decision Making
2018 ESC/EACTS Guidelines on myocardial revascularization
It’s Different!!!!!
Assessment of CAD by CAG
and
The decision to revascularise!!!!!
 Stable on Rx,
 No limiting angina,
 Absence of significant ischemia “Silent” (>10%)
and/or
 Absence of High-risk coronary anatomy.
When Rx. alone is enough?
When to revascularise?
1. Guideline-recommended Rx.
2. Limiting symptoms and /or
3. Improve Prognosis
Requirements
2018 ESC/EACTS Guidelines on myocardial revascularization
Which is Better: PCI or CABG?
2018 ESC/EACTS Guidelines on myocardial revascularization
“We are not comparing between :
Good and Bad
PCICABG
Guidelines Vs. Real-life
 Group of recommendations made up by group of
expert researchers (usually not Clinician), revising
the relevant literature for specific clinical scenarios.
 They are always pooling different dataset, PTs,
lesions, clinical scenarios……..leads to flawed
conclusions and wrong generalization
Clinical practice, real-life situations, are much more
complex with unlimited complex case scenarios to be
only guided by GL…..
 Non-practical and non-real (even in the high-
standared countries),
 Pt appropriateness (Appropriate surgical Pt vs.
approp. PCI Pts.)
 Pooled data (not always reflect reality).
 no mention for the distal targets , which
independently affecting the graft patency
DM is much more than a Y/N factor.!!!!!
Age (frailty).
Guidelines: Critical Appraisal, Misleading
evidence?
The Procedural Burden
PCICABG
“GL will not treat your Pts, they are only teaching
you how to take and what the evidence behind
your treatment choice and, sometimes which is
better in a carefully selected case-scenarios. “
‫الجايدلينز‬ ‫لمتبعي‬ ‫نداء‬
Sabbah 2109.
“You have to decide who’s would really
benefit from surgery from those who could
have a pretty good outcome with PCI”
Sabbah 2109.
Final Comments
Thank you

DM & MV CAD : THe Decision Making Sabbah

  • 1.
    Diabetes and Multi-VesselCAD The Decision Making Mahmoud Sabbah, MD, PhD, FESC, FSCAI Consultant Interventionalist, Lecturer of Cardiology Cardiology department, FOM-SCU
  • 2.
    Conflict of Interest Iam one of those enemy guys, “Interventional Cardiologists”
  • 3.
    Diffuse and morecomplex vessel affection (disease burden) 1/3 of CAD PTs requiring MR are diabetics. Poor distal targets……incomplete MR, residual ischemia, High likely for repeat revascularizations.  Poorer LV function/recovery independent of territorial affection.  Diabetic Coronaries Vs. Diabetic Heart Vs diabetic CVS. Diabetic Heart Burden
  • 4.
    Decision Making  WhenRx alone is enough? When to revascularise?  Which is Better: PCI or CABG?
  • 5.
    “Decide for thebest strategy from the Pt.'s perspectives and not from the physician perspectives” Patient’s benefit is your only Target Sabbah 2109.
  • 6.
    The medical TTT,PCI, and CABG; should be look at as a complementary rather than an alternative strategies An Important Concept Sabbah 2109.
  • 7.
  • 8.
    Criteria for DecisionMaking:  Clinical Status,  Anatomical complexity of CAD,  Amount of territorial ischemia  Predicted surgical mortality,  Completeness of revascularization.(Functional),  Patient preferences!!!!!!!! Decision Making
  • 9.
    The Process fordecision-making & patient information
  • 10.
    Patient Involvement in Decision-Making Pts. should be actively participated.  Provided info. should be unbiased, evidence-based, up-to-date, reliable, accessible, and relevant. Procedure-related and long-term risks and benefits  Uncertainties associated with different treatment strategies.
  • 11.
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    Multidisciplinary decision-making (Heart Team), Why? The underuse of revascularization procedures in 18– 40% of CAD  Inappropriate use of revascularization strategies with a lack of case discussions, in (10–15%)PCI The marked variability in PCI-to-CABG ratios between European countries (ranging from 2.4–7.6 in 2013). In the USA, up to 30% of patients undergoing ad hoc PCI are potential candidates for CABG - Filardo G, et al, EHJ 2001 - Yates et al. Thorac Cardiovasc Surg.2014
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    When Rx aloneis enough?
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    Criteria for DecisionMaking:  Clinical Status,  Anatomical complexity of CAD,  Amount of territorial ischemia  Predicted surgical mortality,  Completeness of revascularization.(Functional),  Patient preferences!!!!!!!! Decision Making
  • 17.
    2018 ESC/EACTS Guidelineson myocardial revascularization
  • 18.
    It’s Different!!!!! Assessment ofCAD by CAG and The decision to revascularise!!!!!
  • 19.
     Stable onRx,  No limiting angina,  Absence of significant ischemia “Silent” (>10%) and/or  Absence of High-risk coronary anatomy. When Rx. alone is enough?
  • 20.
  • 21.
    1. Guideline-recommended Rx. 2.Limiting symptoms and /or 3. Improve Prognosis Requirements
  • 22.
    2018 ESC/EACTS Guidelineson myocardial revascularization
  • 23.
    Which is Better:PCI or CABG?
  • 24.
    2018 ESC/EACTS Guidelineson myocardial revascularization
  • 25.
    “We are notcomparing between : Good and Bad
  • 26.
  • 27.
    Guidelines Vs. Real-life Group of recommendations made up by group of expert researchers (usually not Clinician), revising the relevant literature for specific clinical scenarios.  They are always pooling different dataset, PTs, lesions, clinical scenarios……..leads to flawed conclusions and wrong generalization Clinical practice, real-life situations, are much more complex with unlimited complex case scenarios to be only guided by GL…..
  • 28.
     Non-practical andnon-real (even in the high- standared countries),  Pt appropriateness (Appropriate surgical Pt vs. approp. PCI Pts.)  Pooled data (not always reflect reality).  no mention for the distal targets , which independently affecting the graft patency DM is much more than a Y/N factor.!!!!! Age (frailty). Guidelines: Critical Appraisal, Misleading evidence?
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    “GL will nottreat your Pts, they are only teaching you how to take and what the evidence behind your treatment choice and, sometimes which is better in a carefully selected case-scenarios. “ ‫الجايدلينز‬ ‫لمتبعي‬ ‫نداء‬ Sabbah 2109.
  • 31.
    “You have todecide who’s would really benefit from surgery from those who could have a pretty good outcome with PCI” Sabbah 2109.
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Editor's Notes

  • #15 The significant benefit that has been shown in most of the observational studies, created enthusiasm in the scientific community and led to the initiation of multiple RCTs evaluating lipid-lowering therapy in AS. Unfortunately, none of these trials were able to demonstrate reduced hemodynamic progression, reduced aortic valve calcification, or improved clinical outcomes
  • #33 خلاصة الinterventional Cardiology Does the patients really need PCI? This means that we have always ask ourselfes.Is there a strong evidence of significant ischemia and or angina which undoubtedly requires PCI? Or. Could the Pt and the lesion be better served by medical treatment؟ وأخيرا في كثير من الاحيان الادويه اللي بعشرات الجنيهات. افضل للمريض بكتير من معاددن الدعامات اللي بعشرات الالاف من الجنيهات