Board of Registration Galuteria Transcript 2

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BEFORE THE BOARD OF REGISTRATION
ISLAND OF OAHU
In the Matter of ) EVIDENTIARY HEARING
)
RICHARD W. BAKER, )
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Appellant, )
and ) VOLUME II
) (Pages 55 - 186)
BRICKWOOD M. GALUTERIA; )
ABIGAIL L. GALUTERIA; and )
GLEN TAKAHASHI, in his )
official capacity as City )
Clerk, City and County of )
Honolulu, )
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Appellees. )
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The above matter came on for hearing at the
law offices of McCorriston Miller Mukai MacKinnon LLP,
Five Waterfront Plaza, 4th Floor, 500 Ala Moana
Boulevard, Honolulu, Hawaii 96813, commencing at 1:05
p.m., on Saturday, December 5, 2015.
BEFORE: ALAN B. BURDICK, Chairperson
ELISE ANDERSON, Board Member
APPEARANCES:
For the Appellant: RICHARD W. BAKER
Appellant, Pro Se
206 Lumahai Place
Honolulu, Hawaii 96825
For the Appellees WILLIAM C. MCCORRISTON, ESQ.
Brickwood M. Galuteria JESSICA M. WAN, ESQ.
and Abigail L. McCorriston Miller Mukai
Galuteria: MacKinnon
P.O. Box 2800
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APPEARANCES (Continued):
For the Appellee ERNEST H. NOMURA, ESQ.
Glen Takahashi, LESLIE CHINN, ESQ.
Acting City Clerk: Deputies Corporation Counsel
Department of the Corporation
Counsel
530 S. King Street, Room 110
Also Present: VALRI KUNIMOTO,
Deputy Attorney General
GALEN FOX
BRICKWOOD GALUTERIA
GLEN TAKAHASHI
MARGARET BAKER
KIMBERLY RIBELLIA
WINTEHN PARK
Reported by: Donna N. Baba, CSR #103
Certified Shorthand Reporter
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PAGE:
WITNESSES:
FOR THE APPELLEES:
BRICKWOOD GALUTERIA
Direct Examination by Mr. McCorriston 63
Cross-Examination by Mr. Baker 71
Examination by Chairperson Burdick 102
Further Examination by Mr. Baker 112
FOR THE CITY CLERK APPELLEE:
GLEN TAKAHASHI
Direct Examination by Mr. Nomura 113
Cross-Examination by Mr. Baker 123
Redirect Examination by Mr. Nomura 161
Examination by Board Member Anderson 162
Further Examination by Mr. Baker 166
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P R O C E E D I N G S
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: We're going to reconvene
at this point the Board of Registration for Oahu
hearings on the voter qualifications of Brickwood
Galuteria and his wife, Abigail Galuteria. Today is
Saturday, December 5, at approximately 10 minutes after
1:00 o'clock, and we are convening in the law offices of
William McCorriston, et al., at Waterfront Plaza today.
Before we proceed with further direct
proceedings I wanted to put on the record a summary of
the discussion that we had on Wednesday, December 2nd,
which was supposed to be our reconvening of these
proceedings, but Ms. Anderson was unable to attend, and
in a course of discussing scheduling matters,
Mr. Baker, the Appellant, asked to reopen the
proceedings for him to put on additional witnesses.
Initially he said the resident manager of the Royal
Capitol Plaza at Curtis Street, and others, but it
boiled down to the resident manager, and it boiled down
further that Mr. Baker did not actually know what the
resident manager, whose name he did not have, would
actually testify to.
I had opened the discussion up to this,
because out of an excess of caution in dealing with a
pro se party I wanted to make sure that if there were
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something out there that might seem to be a gross
miscarriage of justice, we would look at it. That did
not mean that I was committed to agreeing to reopening
the proceedings, nor was anyone else on this Board, but
simply wanted to get this information out.
And the bottom line, as I understood it, was
that Mr. Baker had not communicated with this resident
manager, did not know what he or she might say, and
that we would be basically conducting investigation, or
at best, discovery during these evidentiary
proceedings. It's my view, and Ms. Anderson concurs,
that this is an inappropriate time or place for
discovery proceedings or investigation proceedings, and
we're not going to allow that, so we will proceed with
the evidentiary hearing as scheduled, and I will ask
for anyone who participated in the discussion who wants
to amend, correct or elaborate on what I just
summarized, please feel free to do so.
Ms. Anderson.
BOARD MEMBER ANDERSON: So just to clarify, we
were talking about -- I asked Alan why we had opened it
up, because as I understood it the case had been rested
on Monday, and specifically he said we wanted to avoid
inadvertence or excusable neglect, so I just wanted to
put that on the record precisely.
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CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Yes. I would clarify,
we hadn't opened it up, but was discussing to ascertain
whether or not there might be grounds for opening it up.
BOARD MEMBER ANDERSON: Yes.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Mr. McCorriston, did you
want to say something?
MR. McCORRISTON: No. That I think the
Chairman is correct because we had started our case.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Mr. Baker, go ahead.
MR. BAKER: Mr. Chair, I just would note that
HAR 3-172-43(f)(3) allows for witnesses by the
petitioner to be called in rebuttal after respondents
called their witnesses. HAR 3-172-43(g) authorizes the
subpoenaing of witnesses. I therefore intend, once the
respondents have called their witnesses, to repeat my
call for these two individuals to be called to testify.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: All right. We are not
there yet, Mr. Baker.
Do you want to respond to that first,
Mr. McCorriston, before I do?
MR. McCORRISTON: I'd just prefer to start,
continue with my case.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Yes, okay.
All right. Mr. Baker, it's the inclination
of the Chair of the Board that if you want to call
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rebuttal witnesses, you'll need to give us an offer of
proof as to what they will say. We're not going to
open it up for rebuttal witnesses so that you can
conduct exploratory investigations as to what might or
might not come up if a witness is brought in to
testify. So I'll need to see an offer of proof.
MR. McCORRISTON: Just one elaboration,
Mr. Chairman, is that there were no rebuttal witnesses
listed on the statements filed by Mr. Baker.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Okay.
MR. BAKER: Then Mr. Chair, I would just note
that there is nothing in the instructions in
Section 3-172-43 that would require a statement by
ourselves as to what exactly this individual would say
if he were called, so I'm a bit surprised by that, what
I would have to regard as an arbitrary ruling by the
Chair.
BOARD MEMBER ANDERSON: I don't think it's
material what the witness would say specifically, but I
think that whether or not the rebuttal witness is listed
on the -- beforehand, whether that's required is more
important than what he would actually say.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: At this point, rather
than debating this further, typically because it may be
hypothetical at this point, I'll ask Mr. McCorriston to
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go ahead and proceed because it's the Appellees' turn,
or primary appellees' turn to put on their case.
Go ahead, Mr. McCorriston.
MR. McCORRISTON: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Before I call Senator Galuteria, I note that
we filed supplemental declarations of Brickwood
Galuteria and Lehua Galuteria. Just to clarify, I
think in the original declarations with regard to
paragraphs 11, 12 and 13 of Mr. Galuteria's
declaration, and paragraph 6 of Lehua's declaration,
the word "currently" was in there, and that the
declarations as filed were absolutely correct as to
before the 2014 election and the year after the 2014
election. But recently Mr. Galuteria's daughter and
grandchildren rejoined her husband, and so they
currently have left the Palolo residence.
That fact is stated in the amended
declarations. Not that it's terribly relevant to the
time period in question, I just wanted to make sure we
clarified and corrected any suggestion that we're being
misleading as to the word "currently" in the original
declarations.
With that, I would call Mr. Brickwood
Galuteria, Senator, to the witness stand.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Sir, would you raise
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your right hand.
Whereupon,
BRICKWOOD GALUTERIA,
called as a witness on behalf of the Appellees,
being first duly sworn by the Chairperson, was examined
and testified as follows:
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Proceed.
DIRECT EXAMINATION
BY MR. MCCORRISTON:
Q. Shall I call you Mister, Senator, Brickwood?
A. Anything you want, Counselor.
Q. So since I know you, may I call you Brickwood?
A. That's fine; that's fine. Thank you.
Q. Brickwood, would you give the Board your current
residential address, please?
A. 876 Curtis Street, Apartment 2804 -- 2408,
rather.
Q. And how long have you resided there?
A. We've resided there since the second term, which
was 2010, 2011.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Excuse me, Senator,
could you please speak up.
THE WITNESS: Okay. 2011.
Q. (By Mr. Mccorriston) In what political district
is the Curtis Street residence a part of?
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A. Senate District 12, which is Kakaako, Ala Moana,
Waikiki, McCully, Moiliili.
Q. Is that the district you currently represent as
senator?
A. Yes.
Q. Prior to moving to Curtis Street, where did you
and Lehua reside?
A. 1088 Bishop Street, Apartment 2812.
Q. Just to be clear, it wasn't the Palolo residence?
A. Right.
Q. And could you describe where on Bishop Street
this residence is, if it has a name or --
A. It's the Executive Centre.
Q. The Executive Centre.
A. On the corner of Hotel and Bishop.
Q. And how long did you and Lehua reside at the
Bishop Street residence?
A. About 2007 to 2011.
Q. 2007 to 2011?
A. Yes.
Q. And at the time you were living in the Bishop
Street residence, what senatorial district was that
residence a part of?
A. It was a part of Senate District 12, which
extended at that time all the way down to Kapalama
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Canal.
Q. At some time were the boundaries to Senatorial
District No. 12 changed?
A. Yes. It changed for the 2012 electorial. That
particular election moved a lot of lines. It was a
reapportionment of the district.
Q. And after the lines were moved, did the Bishop
Street address fall within a different district?
A. Yes, 13. So the district now actually begins
right here on South Street, this way.
Q. So the South Street would form the western
boundary line for District No. 12?
A. Yes.
Q. Did the change of the district line play any role
in you moving to the Curtis Street apartment?
A. It was the primary reason. We wanted to continue
serving the district.
Q. And when you were at the Bishop Street residence,
did you receive mail in the same fashion you're
receiving your mail at the Curtis Street residence?
A. That was the residence; that was the residence.
So we have a lot of indication that we were there.
Q. So if Mr. Baker put in his pleadings that your
residence prior to the time of Curtis Street was in the
Palolo Valley residence, that would be incorrect?
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A. That would be false.
Q. So just to be clear, prior to the 2014 election
you had resided at Bishop Street. When the district
lines were changed, you moved to the Curtis Street to
remain in District 12; is that correct?
A. Yes.
Q. All right. And you've read the declaration, your
own declarations and Lehua's declarations as corrected.
Is the information contained in those declarations true
and correct according to your personal knowledge?
A. Yes.
Q. Questioning has come up about the parking
situation at -- I have the same problem, I'm just going
to call it RCP, if you don't mind -- at RCP. Can you
explain to the Board what the parking situation is, with
particular emphasis on whether or not it's necessary to
go through the lobby to get from the parking structure
to your unit.
A. Yeah, the parking structure is -- the entry is --
you need a fob. So you swipe it and you come up to the
second floor. Well, it's actually the half floor. And
then you come up to the second floor, which is where our
parking stall is located. And from there you can enter
the Royal Capitol Plaza directly to the elevators and
head on up to the unit.
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Q. So --
A. Is that what you mean?
Q. Yes. So that means you can bypass -- you don't
have to go through the lobby to get to the units?
A. No, no.
Q. And you already mentioned this somewhat in your
declaration, are you currently the caregiver for your
mother, primary caregiver?
A. Yes, I am.
Q. And you reviewed the letter from the doctor who
treats your mother in this case. Are her conditions as
stated in that letter consistent with your understanding
of her medical condition?
A. Yes, it is.
Q. And has it been suggested by the medical care
providers for your mother that somebody from the family
reside with her as much as possible?
A. To this day, yes.
MR. BAKER: Objection, Mr. Chair. That fact
has not be entered in the record in any place other than
the verbal form in which Mr. McCorriston has just put
it.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: What fact has not been
entered?
MR. BAKER: That the caregiver is desired by
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the medical counsel for Mrs. Galuteria.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Well, as I understand,
Senator just testified to that.
MR. McCORRISTON: He just testified.
MR. BAKER: He's just testified to it, yes.
It has not come up prior to this point, nor in any of
the affirmations provided.
MR. McCORRISTON: In Exhibit A, the term
primary caregiver is used in Exhibit A, and it's just
been reaffirmed by the witness.
Q. (By Mr. Mccorriston) With regard to the resident
manager at RCP -- oh, you and your mother were renters,
and the unit, I believe, is 2408; is that correct?
A. Yeah. 2408, yeah.
Q. And you were present when the three witnesses
testified in this case on behalf of Mr. Baker; is that
correct?
A. Yes.
Q. First of all, who was your political opponent in
the 2014 election?
A. Chris Lethem.
Q. To your knowledge has Mr. Baker ever been at RCP?
A. No.
Q. Ever seen him there?
A. No.
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Q. Do you know how many units there are in RCP?
A. No.
Q. Quite a few?
A. There's a lot of floors there, yes. About ten to
a floor.
Q. Have you ever seen any of the witnesses in this
case that testified for Mr. Baker on the 24th floor of
RCP?
A. No.
MR. MCCORRISTON: That's all the questions I
have, Mr. Chairman.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Mr. Baker.
MR. BAKER: Thank you, Mr. Chairman
MR. McCORRISTON: Excuse me, I do have one
more area before --
Q. (By Mr. Mccorriston) Do you have any current
plans of leaving Curtis Street and residing elsewhere?
A. Actually, we do.
Q. And could you tell the Board what those plans
were and what prompted those plans?
A. The -- I'm a dual caregiver, if you will, with --
for my mother, who has a multiple -- a variety of
illnesses that are not readily evident sometimes, and
then my wife has taken ill. '14 was an especially rough
year for us. She has a condition called COPD.
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BOARD MEMBER ANDERSON: You mean '15?
THE WITNESS: Pardon me?
BOARD MEMBER ANDERSON: You said '14. You
mean '15, right?
THE WITNESS: No, '14 was a big -- was a rough
year for -- this is '15.
BOARD MEMBER ANDERSON: Yes.
THE WITNESS: But '14 especially was a rough
year for us, as '15 continues to be as well.
So in order to improve the situation, we're
going to be relocating from Curtis Street to the Moana
Pacific, primarily because my wife's pulmonary disease
requires central air-conditioning. We don't have
central air-conditioning at the Royal Capitol Plaza.
And in that, we're going to expand the living
conditions and enter into a three-bedroom, which will
allow all of us to be a little bit more comfortable.
Because obviously comfort was a consideration for those
who are complaining, not that we were complaining, but
that's our situation.
Q. (By Mr. Mccorriston) Have you taken concrete
steps, actually, to rent the -- a new place?
A. We put down a down payment, and we intend to move
in by January 1st.
Q. And when you say we move in, does that include
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Juliette, your mother?
A. Yes.
Q. Yourself?
A. Yes.
Q. And Lehua?
A. Yes.
Q. And then what will you folks do with the Palolo
home?
A. We're going to rent it out. We have several
units up there that we rent to, and we want to ensure
that the place is used for good, so I've taken steps to
go and talk with the friends at IHS to see if perhaps
some of those homeless guys, if they pass muster, we
could offer them housing.
Q. So once you folks move into Ala Moana, the
intention of the family is to rent out the Palolo house?
A. Yes.
MR. McCORRISTON: I have further questions,
Mr. Chairman.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Okay. Mr. Baker?
MR. BAKER: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
CROSS-EXAMINATION
BY MR. BAKER:
Q. Mr. Galuteria, I'm showing you a floor plan for
Apartment 2408, Royal Capitol Plaza.
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CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: That's your Exhibit
No. --
THE WITNESS: 20.
MR. BAKER: Introduce our Exhibit No. 20.
Q. And I would like to ask you, is this the unit
that you claim to live in?
A. That's the unit I live in.
Q. Hmm?
A. Yes.
Q. Is it 548 square feet?
A. I don't count. It's small.
Q. It's small. I think my figure of 548 square feet
should stand.
A. That's fine.
Q. Can you show me on that diagram where your bed
is?
A. We have a beautiful, comfortable pull-out sofa
right here in the living room.
MR. McCORRISTON: Let the record indicate that
the Senator pointed to a location in the living room on
the exhibit.
THE WITNESS: Shall I --
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Yes, go ahead.
MR. McCORRISTON: Why don't you put an X there
where the --
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CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Senator's going to put
an X on this copy of Exhibit 20 to show the location of
the pull out sofa in the unit at Royal Capitol --
MR. McCORRISTON: The living room section of
the unit.
Q. (By Mr. Baker) And where is your wife's bed?
A. We sleep in the same bed, sir.
Q. Okay. And your mother's bed?
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Senator, would you mark
that, your mother's bed with a M.
THE WITNESS: Okay.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Or J, for Juliette.
THE WITNESS: M is fine; M for mom.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: All right. Let the
record reflect that Senator has marked an X near the L,
for the word "living room" on this copy of Exhibit 20,
and has marked an X with a M near it, near the letter M
of the word "bedroom" on this copy of exhibit to show
the location of the mother's bed.
This will be put in the record. When
senator's done testifying, we'll put that in the
record.
Q. (By Mr. Baker) And Mr. Galuteria, where is your
own closet?
A. We all share the same closet. There's enough
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room for everybody.
Q. Enough room for everybody?
A. We have enough room for everybody.
Q. Would you just put an X with a C next to it for
the closet, please?
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: For the closet?
MR. BAKER: The closet, yes.
MR. BAKER: Which he says is used by all three
people in the --
THE WITNESS: Right there.
MR. BAKER: Okay, thank you. Should this go
back to --
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: It will go to the court
reporter.
Q. (By Mr. Baker) Now, Mr. Galuteria, you say that
you are a primary caregiver?
A. Yes.
Q. But that covers various levels of assistance?
A. Yes.
Q. What care does your mother need that you need to
live with her?
A. Medications, finances. My mom looks great, but
even in your particular testifiers, they could not be
specific about what caregiving is defined as.
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My definition of caregiving -- are you asking me
my definition of caregiving.
Q. Sure.
A. Quality of life. I'm not going to wait until the
day I got to feed my mom with a spoon. I want her to be
up and running. She's doing very well, and I would
suspect it has to do with some caregiving.
Q. Now, I would just note, Mr. Galuteria, that the
certificate that you submitted from the physician in no
way states what kind of care she may need and why that
should require physical presence by you on a continuing
basis.
A. So what? So what, Mr. Baker?
Q. Wouldn't it be advantageous if you were trying to
establish that you were required --
A. I'm not trying to establish anything, I'm trying
to care for my mom. You're the one trying to establish
that I'm not.
Q. Well, I'm just going to take that as sarcasm,
Mr. Senator.
A. Well, whatever.
Q. And as a refusal to answer the question.
A. I answered the question.
Q. No, you didn't.
MR. McCORRISTON: I object to the argument of
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counsel, or Mr. Baker.
MS. KUNIMOTO: He made an objection that it's
argumentative. Are you going to rule?
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: I'm sorry, I missed
that.
BOARD MEMBER ANDERSON: Should we ask him to
restate his question?
MS. KUNIMOTO: No, you can ask the court
reporter to repeat it.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Okay. Court Reporter,
could you restate the question that is subjected to the
objection?
MR. McCORRISTON: It wasn't even a question,
he was just talking to him.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Oh, I saw that. I
didn't hear a question.
BOARD MEMBER ANDERSON: Mr. Baker mentioned a
question. So to what question were you referring?
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: All right, Court
Reporter will read back the relevant discussion.
(The record was read by the court reporter.)
MR. McCORRISTON: I move to strike that whole
colloquy.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: I'll deny it, but we'll
take into account the nature of the discussion.
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MR. McCORRISTON: It also misrepresents
Exhibit A of ours, which does state that Mr. Galuteria
is to be the primary caregiver for his mother, right
there in the first paragraph of the exhibit. So
additional objection to his question is misstates what's
in evidence.
MR. BAKER: Objection, Mr. Chair, as the
exhibit does not provide any definition of caregiving.
MR. MCCORRISTON: It says --
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: That's argument, sir.
You can --
MR. McCORRISTON: That's incorrect. It says
primary caregiver.
MR. BAKER: Nor does it provide --
MR. MCCORRISTON: That's a definition.
MR. BAKER: -- any definition of primary
caregiver.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: I understand, okay.
You've made your point. Let's move on.
Q. (By Mr. Baker) Is your mother able to manage
herself when you go on trips?
A. Yes, I suppose. When I'm away.
Q. You suppose?
A. What are you getting to?
Q. I'm wondering who takes care of her when you
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aren't there.
A. My mom takes care of herself because what we do
is we plan the meds ahead of time, we plan the finances
ahead of time.
Q. So you're saying -- am I correct in interpreting
your statement as indicating that --
A. We plan.
Q. -- your continual presence at 2408 is not
actually required?
A. Nobody's continual presence anywhere is required,
unless we're looking for assisted living, and she's not
there yet.
MR. BAKER: I object. That's not a response.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: It is a response.
Please move on.
Q. (By Mr. Baker) Why doesn't your mother live with
you in your $1.8 million Palolo home where everybody has
room, and relatives can help look over their tutu?
A. First of all, one of the important parts of
caregiving is to honor my mom's independence, and I take
great, great effort in doing that. Secondly, it's close
to our church. My mom does a lot of work at Kawaiahao
Church. It's a block and a half from the church. I
want to honor her with that. That's my answer.
Q. And am I to assume that that has nothing to do
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with the coincidence that your residence at 2408 Curtis
Street technically would provide you a residence within
the district?
A. Oh, that's inference.
MR. McCORRISTON: It's argumentative.
BOARD MEMBER ANDERSON: Can I point out that
the Senator did state earlier on the record that it was
his primary -- that reapportionment was a primary reason
for moving, so I don't think that's in dispute as to why
he lives in his district.
MR. BAKER: Well, he didn't mention his
mother's condition in that context. I will move on.
MR. McCORRISTON: You know, I really object to
Mr. Baker's continual argument on his case just without
a question. Just inappropriate.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Mr. Baker, you will have
the opportunity at the close of presentation of
everybody's evidence to make your closing argument and,
you know, refer back to testimony, refer back to
exhibits, whatever you like.
But Mr. McCorriston is correct, it's not
appropriate for you to keep on interjecting argument
into the questioning. Just make notes, and Mr. Fox is
next to you, he's probably making notes as well, you'll
have notes for your argument when the time comes.
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MR. BAKER: Mr. Chair, does the same term
apply to Mr. McCorriston?
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Yes. And I'm not going
to let Mr. McCorriston make argument all the time
either. He is making objections, and in making an
objection he has to state what the grounds of the
objection are.
MR. BAKER: Okay.
Q. (By Mr. Baker) Why did your wife initially give
the wrong address for your mother's place when she
registered to vote in 2012?
A. I don't know.
Q. Asked and answered.
Did she move into your mother's unit?
A. Who?
Q. Your wife.
MR. McCORRISTON: Can we have a point of time,
Mr. Chairman?
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Yes.
MR. BAKER: In 2011, yes.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: In when?
MR. BAKER: When she registered to vote in the
2012 election.
THE WITNESS: I'm not sure what I'm being
asked of.
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CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: All right. Mr. Baker,
could you restate your question, please?
Q. (By Mr. Baker) Yes. Why did your wife initially
give the wrong address for your mother's place?
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: He's already answered
that, he said he did not know.
MR. BAKER: When she registered to vote in
2012, to which he responded he -- you don't know.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Yes. All right, next
question.
Q. (By Mr. Baker) My next question was, did she
move into your mother's unit, and if so, when?
A. Oh, you can't refer to it as my mother's unit,
it's my unit. So we moved there together, she's my
wife.
MR. BAKER: Mr. Chair, would it be relevant to
note in this regard that the rental agreement for this
unit is in the name of Mr. Galuteria's mother,
therefore, allowing us to refer to it as his mother's
unit?
MR. McCORRISTON: Well, I object because
that's a misstatement of the facts. Originally it was
in Mr. Galuteria's and his mother's name, then as he
said in his declarations, unbeknownst to him the mother
did a rental agreement, and then since it's been
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superseded a third time with him back on the rental
agreement. So what you're saying is a misstatement of
facts in evidence.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Mr. Baker, let's unpack
and unload the question and simply refer to it as the
unit, without the baggage of whose unit, and you can
save for argument whatever discussion you want to make
in terms of who signed the lease, at what period of
time, and how that's a material matter for us to be
considering. So save that for argument, and please just
focus on the question of the unit rather than loading it
with who is the actual renter.
MR. BAKER: I am simply trying to clarify why
Mrs. Galuteria misstated the address of the apartment
when she had supposedly been living there for over a
year.
MR. McCORRISTON: Asked and answered. He
doesn't know.
MR. BAKER: The answer is, I don't know.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: That is correct.
MR. McCORRISTON: Yes.
Q. (By Mr. Baker) Okay. Continuing right on, can
you describe to me the process by which your
three-person family gets ready for the day's activities
in the morning, considering that the three of you share
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one bathroom.
A. The same way other three-member families get
ready for the day.
Q. Where does your wife keep her clothes?
MR. McCORRISTON: Asked and answered. He
already said under oath that they shared the closet.
Q. (By Mr. Baker) Why does your wife have no
assigned parking stall after four years in the building?
A. We have one car.
Q. May I just note that that is contrary to the
evidence provided by the Department of Motor Vehicles?
A. Well --
Q. They're wrong, huh?
A. Whether they're wrong or they're right, I have
one car that we use.
Q. What is the number of the stall in which you park
your only car when you are at the Curtis Street
residence?
A. I don't know. I think it's 201, I'm not sure.
I'm not sure. It doesn't matter, I know where it is.
MR. BAKER: He thinks it's 201, but he doesn't
know, and it doesn't matter.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Please, that's argument.
Move on to your next question.
MR. BAKER: I'm simply repeating his answer
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for clarity.
Q. (By Mr. Baker) Can you explain why so few people
seem to see your wife around Royal Capitol Plaza?
MR. McCORRISTON: I object to the form of the
question. It's not been established.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Not only that, it's
calling for speculation.
Q. (By Mr. Baker) Did you subscribe to any
magazines to be delivered to your mother's unit?
A. The unit, you mean?
MR. FOX: Yes, the unit.
MR. BAKER: The unit.
A. The unit, no, yeah. No, I didn't subscribe to
any magazines. As a matter of fact, the Royal Capitol
Plaza has ample magazines down in the lobby.
Q. Did you have insurance policies, car insurance,
renter's insurance, et cetera, cellular phone bills and
tax returns mailed to your mother's residence?
A. They were offered as evidence.
Q. Are you telling me that beyond what was offered
as evidence there is no other documentation?
A. Am I required to?
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: No, just --
MR. BAKER: Well, I would just remind you that
the City Clerk said that that information was not
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offered as evidence, despite having been requested.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Despite what? I'm
sorry.
MR. BAKER: Having been requested by the
Clerk. I'm sure Mr. Galuteria doesn't know.
MR. McCORRISTON: You know, the gratuitous
comments, even after your admonition, keep coming.
Q. (By Mr. Baker) Mr. Galuteria the law requires
you to retain tax records, does it not?
A. Yes, mm-hmm.
Q. Now, your records show that you paid back the
exemption -- (Off-the-record discussion between Mr. Fox
and Mr. Baker.)
MR. BAKER: Well, I would just note that even
though the law requires these records --
MR. MCCORRISTON: Excuse me.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Mr. Baker, if you're
making argument, save it. The time now is for you to
ask questions of Mr. Galuteria. If you have any more
questions, go ahead and ask them.
MR. BAKER: What I asked Mr. Galuteria was,
the law requires you to retain tax records, does it not?
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: All right, I'll accept
that as a foundational question. He's answered it
already "yes." Next question.
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Q. (By Mr. Baker) Do you keep these records?
A. Yes.
Q. Where do you keep these records?
A. 876 Curtis Street.
Q. And since I understand from other documents that
you have claimed that your tax records are prepared by
professional CPA or equivalent expert, would it be --
could I ask if that professional also retains copies of
your records?
MR. McCORRISTON: You know, where are we going
with this? This is --
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Yes, where are you going
with this question? I mean these are all very
foundational, preliminary kinds of questions. Why don't
you just get to the meat of the question that -- the
question that addresses the meat of the issue of what
you're focused on.
MR. McCORRISTON: I further note that tax
records are protected by federal and state statutes, and
privacy.
MR. BAKER: Well, the question is whether the
Curtis Street address shows on these records, but in the
face of your arguments, I will not pursue that point at
this time.
Q. (By Mr. Baker) Your records show that you paid
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back the exemption on your Palolo home where you live.
That was two months after you hired an attorney. Did
your attorney advise you to pay the back taxes?
MR. McCORRISTON: I instruct him not to
answer. Attorney-client privilege.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: It's waivable, but if he
chooses not to answer, he chooses not to answer.
Senator, are you choosing not to answer the
question?
THE WITNESS: Yes.
Q. (By Mr. Baker) Do you consider your mother's
condominium as your home?
question, referring it to his mother's condominium. The
witness has testified repeatedly that it's their joint
condominium rental.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Yes. Mr. Baker, again,
I'm going to ask you to please unload the baggage from
the question you want, and say you claim that the Curtis
Street address is your home, that way you take out
mother, him, the wife, whoever.
Q. (By Mr. Baker) Next question, do the Galuteria's
have the required sticker on the back window of your
car?
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: What kind of sticker,
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sir?
MR. BAKER: The Royal Capitol Plaza parking
sticker.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: On Mr. Galuteria's car?
MR. BAKER: (Nods head.)
A. As far as I know, we do not have the need for a
sticker. This is what you need to get into the parking
lot, you need a fob.
MR. McCORRISTON: Let the record reflect the
witness is holding up a fob, which is an entry tool for
the RCP.
Q. (By Mr. Baker) Are you registered with the
resident manager as a tenant resident at Royal Capitol
Plaza?
A. I never knew I had to register as a tenant. I
have a lease that indicates I live at the Royal Capitol
Plaza, and through this entire time that I've been
there, the resident manager has not contacted me at all.
Q. Are you aware of the name of the resident
manager?
A. They change. I'm not aware of the current.
Q. Tell us about your friends at Royal Capitol
Plaza. Why did none of these individuals come forward
as witnesses when the Clerk asked you to supply such
witnesses?
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A. I didn't feel it was necessary to bother anybody
for this type of proceedings, when everything having to
do with this is inference.
Q. Why did you --
MR. FOX: Is that an objectionable comment,
the line he threw in at the end?
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Mr. Fox, if you want to
whisper something to Mr. Baker, that's fine, but you've
been told before that you're not participating in the
proceedings.
Q. (By Mr. Baker) Why did you deny the Clerk access
to your mother's unit when that would help show you were
actually living at Royal Capitol Plaza?
A. I believe that it was an intrusion into my life.
I provided pictures, down to the tooth brush.
Q. Where is the picture of double bed in the living
room?
A. We didn't pull out the sofa.
Q. There is no picture of a sofa of any sort.
A. Oh, it depends on what you consider a sofa to be.
Q. And why does the shot allegedly of clothing in a
closet only show your clothing, not your wife's
clothing, not your mother's clothing?
A. You know, the pictures show dresses. It could be
either my wife's or my mother's.
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Q. Next question: Why did you tell the Clerk that
you spend, quote, a great majority of the time at your
Palolo home?
MR. McCORRISTON: Objection. Assumes a state
of facts not in evidence.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Yes. Mr. Baker, can you
cite some statement by the Clerk or --
MR. BAKER: Clerk's letter is dated
December 6th, 2014, and it makes that statement.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Let's take a moment.
MR. McCORRISTON: Can we have an exhibit
number?
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Yes. I don't have an
exhibit for that. I don't know.
MR. FOX: It's in our packet. It's also in
another one.
MR. MCCORRISTON: If it's not an -- that's
another reason for an objection, if it's not an exhibit.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: We're off the record for
a moment.
(Off-the-record session.)
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: All right, go on.
MR. McCORRISTON: Can I also object, the
statement that a majority of time is not spent at the
Curtis Street residence is a statement of Abigail.
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CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Is a statement of --
MR. MCCORRISTON: Abigail.
MR. FOX: That's not so.
MR. McCORRISTON: Excuse me, not Abigail.
Statement of Lehua, paragraph 8 of her declaration.
MR. BAKER: Not so, Mr. Chair, it's a
statement of Brickwood.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Well, that's what I'm
trying to find.
MR. BAKER: It is Mr. McCorriston's Exhibit B.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: All right. Back on the
record so there's no question about this. Let me
address this for a moment. Exhibit 17 in Mr. Baker's
exhibits is a letter dated December 12, 2014 from the
Clerk to Mr. Galuteria, and that is a two-page letter
signed by Bernice Mau, who -- signed by someone, I
believe Glen Takahashi, on behalf of Bernice Mau, who
was the City Clerk at the time.
Then the next page following is a list of
supplemental questions, presumably addressed to Senator
Galuteria, because in the second and third line it
refers to both yourself and your wife, parentheses,
Abigail L. Galuteria, "Please --" et cetera.
Numbered paragraph 3 toward the bottom of the
page says: In your December 6, 2014 statement --
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apparently referring to Senator Galuteria -- you
indicated spending a, quote, great majority of the
time, end quote, at Palolo, and the splitting of your
and Abigail's time between Curtis Street and Palolo
following the recent separation between your daughter
and her husband.
I do believe that that is what Mr. Baker is
referring to.
MR. BAKER: Correct.
MR. McCORRISTON: Okay. With that
clarification, go ahead and answer.
THE WITNESS: Repeat the question.
Q. (By Mr. Baker) Why did you tell the Clerk that
you spend a great majority of the time at your Palolo?
Home
MR. McCORRISTON: At that time.
THE WITNESS: At that time.
BOARD MEMBER ANDERSON: December 6.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: In December of 2014.
THE WITNESS: As I referred in an earlier
answer --
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: I'm sorry, what was
that?
THE WITNESS: As I referred in an earlier
answer, Chair, 2014 was an especially tumultuous year
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for my family. It was at that time that my daughter
needed as much support as possible. She has five
children; five children. Her husband was not there at
the time. We went to Palolo to ensure that we could
support them adequately.
I hope that would provide clarity to your
question, that answer.
MR. BAKER: I'm leaving that as stated.
Q. (By Mr. Baker) Why did you tell the Clerk that
you had resided at the Curtis Street unit, quote, for
several years prior to my reelection to the District 12
State Senate seat in 2012? You moved your mother into
her RCP unit in mid-June 2011, a year before the
primary?
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Okay. Stop, please,
Mr. Baker. When you say several years, what are you
referring to? What document are you referring to?
MR. BAKER: Should be the same document. It's
one of the clerk's exhibits, Mr. Chair.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Well, we need to know
which one.
MR. BAKER: Do you need to know that now, or
can we provide that, so as not to waste time.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Well, if Mr. Galuteria
can say that he remembers it without seeing it, we'll go
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forward. Otherwise, we're going to ask you to look for
it and ask the question a little bit down the line.
MR. BAKER: The source of that statement is
the December 6th, 2014 letter from Galuteria to the
Clerk.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Is it one of your
exhibits?
MR. BAKER: It's one of the Clerk's exhibits.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Take a moment. That
would be Exhibit D, as in David.
MR. NOMURA: Exhibit D. It is the City
Clerk's exhibit.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: For the record, this is
on Hawaii State Senate stationery, December 6, 2014,
from Senator Galuteria to Ms. Bernice Mau, who was at
the time the City Clerk. And in the third line in the
first paragraph he says: I'm a resident of that address
and have -- meaning the Curtis Street address -- and
have been for several years prior to my reelection to
the District 12 Senate seat in 2012. I will also
respond in the affirmative for my wife, Abigail Lehua
Galuteria.
This is to the question as to whether they
were indeed residents at that Curtis Street address.
So it's now on the record and clear, I do trust. Yes,
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sir?
MR. BAKER: Mr. Chair, is it appropriate for
us to ask if we could have a copy of that letter?
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: You don't have -- I mean
you got a set of these exhibits at the hearing.
MR. BAKER: We did not get a set of exhibits
at the hearing.
MR. NOMURA: All documents were e-mailed to
the parties, including Mr. Baker, consistent with the
Board's instructions.
MS. KUNIMOTO: They were all e-mailed.
MR. BAKER: We had to read it, because the
alternative would have been to run off 201 pages, since
we were not given a copy --
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: A hard copy.
MR. BAKER: -- of the document.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Let the record reflect
that I am handing to Mr. Baker my copy. He can hang on
to it for now.
Okay, so the question, as I understand, the
question is still pending from Mr. Baker to
Mr. Galuteria why did you make that statement,
basically, about being at the Curtis Street address for
several years prior to the 2012 election.
MR. McCORRISTON: You know, Mr. Chairman, I
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want to just state my objection to the extent that
characterized that as something that's a
misrepresentation. They moved into Curtis Street on May
'11, and the election in 2012 was in November, which is
more than a year.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Yes.
MR. BAKER: It's not several years.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: So Senator Galuteria,
the question to you is if you can explain why that
statement reads as thus.
THE WITNESS: Several means different things
to different people. I suppose I misspoke.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Okay. Mr. Baker, please
move on.
We're going to take a break at this time.
Five minutes.
(A recess was taken at 2:08 p.m.)
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: We are reconvening the
meeting of the Board of Registration for this
evidentiary hearing at approximately 2:20 p.m. after a
break.
Mr. Baker, go ahead with your questions.
MR. BAKER: Mr. Chair, I'd like to refer to
our Exhibit 1, which is a claim for home exemption.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: You need to show a copy
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of the exhibit to Mr. Galuteria if you're going to ask
him questions about it.
Q. (By Mr. Baker) Mr. Galuteria, I would ask that
you read the certification at the bottom of this form.
A. Mm-hmm. Okay, I have.
Q. Please read it aloud?
A. I certify that I occupy this home in accordance
with Section 810-4 ROH, and that the foregoing is true
and correct to the best of my knowledge. I understand
that any misstatement of facts will be grounds for
disqualification. I also understand if I cease to
qualify for such an exemption I must report to the
assessor within 30 days this change in facts or status.
Failure to report a change in facts or status would
result in disqualification and penalties.
Q. Thank you.
MR. MCCORRISTON: For the record, I'd like to
direct the Commissioner's attention to the year
involving that certification, which is 2006 to 2007,
which is on the bottom of the page.
MR. BAKER: And Mr. Chair, I would like to
address our attention to Exhibit 6, which is in the same
series, which is a real property assessment notice, in
this case dated for tax year 2011 to 2012, and it is one
of nine forms of this sort mailed to Brickwood Galuteria
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at 3462 Pakui Street, and it shows an exemption of
$80,000. I would like --
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Hold on. All right,
Mr. Baker, you're testifying at this point. You are
referring to Exhibit 6, which relates to tax year
July 1, 2011 to June 30, 2012. Are you also referring
to Exhibit 7?
MR. BAKER: There are nine exhibits of this
sort for different years.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Well, you're testifying,
and I'm just trying to get clear on the record what nine
years or nine exhibits you're talking about. So
Exhibit 6, Exhibit 7, Exhibit 8 --
MR. BAKER: It is 2, 3, 4 -- with the
exception of 5 -- 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: But not Exhibit 1?
Exhibits 1 --
MR. BAKER: Exhibit 1 was the previous --
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: I understand. But it's
part of this package, it is not?
MR. BAKER: It is part of the packet, yes.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: So then Exhibit 2 would
relate to --
MR. McCORRISTON: Just for the record,
Mr. Chairman, Exhibit 1 is a different form than --
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CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Yes, they're different
firms.
MR. MCCORRISTON: -- Exhibits 2, et seq.
There's no signature of Mr. Galuteria or anything of
that on Exhibits 2 and those that follow. It's a
different form for a different purpose. It's just an
invoice.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Yes. For the record,
Exhibits 6 through 10 are real property assessment
notices addressed to Mr. Galuteria at the Pakui Street
address, and they're simply notices from the real
property assessment division to him.
MR. MCCORRISTON: Correct.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: They do not contain any
representations by him, signatures, et cetera. Okay, go
ahead, sir.
MR. BAKER: And I just wanted to indicate that
except for Exhibit 5. Exhibit 5 is not included.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: You don't need to make
argument now. We don't want argument now. Do you have
a question for Senator Galuteria? These are in the
record.
MR. BAKER: I have a request for Senator
Galuteria, that he would read this language right below
the two bolded lines --
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CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Which exhibit are you
referring to?
MR. BAKER: On Exhibit 6, under the heading of
request to change my mailing address or exemption
status, that he read the two lines that are immediately
below the bolded section.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: All right. You know,
this exhibit speaks for itself. If this is foundational
to some question you can ask, just go ahead, we're all
looking at the exhibit. Please go ahead and ask any
question you have relating to Exhibit 6 or the similar
exhibits through 10. We don't have to have him sit here
and read it.
Q. (By Mr. Baker) Why did you not clip and send in
this form when you putatively changed your address from
3462 Pakui Street to Curtis Street?
A. Which I what? I'm sorry, which I putatively?
I'm sorry.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Putatively.
THE WITNESS: Putatively, okay.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Claim to have.
A. Sure. When I changed my residence. I'm on the
public record saying I simply made a mistake. I'm on
the public record, so that would be my answer to you.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Well, Mr. Baker's
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question -- maybe it's inartfully propounded.
MR. BAKER: Probably.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Don't you want to ask
him whether he received this notice?
MR. BAKER: Yes. And whether you returned
this --
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Let's take them one at a
time.
Q. Did you receive this notice?
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Exhibit 6.
A. I would assume it did, it came to Pakui Street,
and so we may have received it, maybe not. I don't
know.
Q. And did you return the form at the bottom, which
is a request to change my mailing address or exemption
status?
A. No. Again, I will repeat, it was a mistake, and
I learned from the mistake, and we took care of it. I
was made aware that one has to opt out of the system.
The system just does not drop you out.
Q. I would ask, Mr. Galuteria, how you would explain
the fact that in nine separate years you received this
notification, and that apparently in none of those nine
years did you see fit to respond to the Real Property
Assessment Division?
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MR. McCORRISTON: Asked and answered.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Go ahead and answer
because --
MR. McCORRISTON: You can answer it again.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: The prior question was
focused on Exhibit 6.
A. You want me to say I made a mistake again?
Q. Nine separate times? With the advice from a
professional tax attorney?
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Is that a yes?
THE WITNESS: Yes.
MR. BAKER: Thank you. All right, that's all
I have.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Okay. City Clerk,
Mr. Nomura.
MR. NOMURA: No questions from the City.
MR. McCORRISTON: No redirect.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Mr. Galuteria, I have a
number of questions for you, sir.
EXAMINATION
BY CHAIRPERSON BURDICK:
Q. How did you acquire the Pakui Street property?
A. It was a property that my wife's family owned.
She was raised there, so we decided to keep it in the
family.
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Q. And I believe exhibits show that you folks
acquired that property in or around 2005; is that
correct?
A. Right, yes.
Q. And at that time you established that as your
residence and your voting residence; is that correct?
A. Yes, correct.
Q. Where had you lived, you and your wife lived
previous to that?
A. Portlock.
Q. Okay. Did you at any time have a mortgage on the
Pakui Street property?
A. Prior to that?
Q. At any time.
A. We do now.
Q. Okay.
A. Yeah.
Q. As of when, roughly?
A. 2005.
Q. Do you know, as you sit here today, whether
during the time that you had the -- let me back up. You
had the mortgage starting in 2005 and it continues to
today?
A. Yes.
Q. And you make monthly mortgage payments?
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A. Yes.
Q. Do those monthly mortgage payments include sums
that are applied to your real property tax, or do you
pay that separately?
A. Whether it's in the mortgage?
Q. Yes. The mortgage payments, you make monthly
payments that probably include homeowner's insurance --
A. Yes, yes.
Q. -- and stuff like that.
A. Yes, yes.
Q. Did it include, as far as you know, as you sit
here today, did it include money to apply to the real
property taxes for this property, or did you pay that
separately?
A. Think I paid that separately.
Q. The Clerk, City Clerk made a supplemental
responsive filing on Wednesday, the week before the
first hearing, I believe that was roughly November 25,
that includes an Exhibit Z, as in zebra, and it is --
the exhibit has two voter registration forms, one for
you and one for your wife, dated August 30, 2007. That
is the approximate time that you moved into Executive
Centre?
A. Yeah.
Q. And who was, as of that time, the time that you
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moved into Executive Centre, who was living at Pakui
Street?
A. We were living at Pakui Street. We have four
units there, we took one unit. My daughter -- are you
talking about who else was living there?
Q. Yes, yes.
A. There were four families at the time. There was
my daughter, her five children and her husband. There
was my nephew, his five children and his wife. There
was also a tenant, with his four children and his wife.
And then we were downstairs in one of the units.
Q. So did you maintain an actual secondary residence
at Pakui Street even though you had moved into Executive
Centre?
A. What's -- how do you define secondary residence?
Q. I'm not sure, because you're saying you and your
wife retained a unit at Pakui Street.
A. Oh, we owned the place, that's why.
Q. Right, I understand.
A. And we want to maintain a presence on the
property, so as to make sure that the tenants know
that -- who owns the place, if you will. It's a
presence.
Q. How often during that time did you actually stay
overnight?
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A. Well, prior to --
MR. McCORRISTON: During the time of the
Executive Centre --
THE WITNESS: At the time of the Executive
Centre?
Q. (By Chairperson Burdick) Yes. After you
established your residence at Executive Centre, how much
time, if any, did you maintain at Pakui Street?
A. You know, I can't really --
Q. More or less. I mean very roughly.
A. Well, our grandchildren are there, and so we'd be
there as often as we possibly could. So you know, if
couple of days a week, three days a week, however that
works. It's our family.
Q. All right. Now, on or about June 15, 2011, you
and your mother and your wife -- this is your
testimony -- moved into the Royal Capitol Plaza.
A. Yes.
Q. Curtis Street address.
A. Right.
Q. Where had your mother been living previous to
that?
A. We owned a house in Kaneohe for the past
40-some-odd years, and this is where she was. And over
time, with her health, with the development of her
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ailments that are not readily recognizable, the doctors
recommended that she come into town and I get closer.
So it was quite appropriate that because we had
come out of a reapportionment and we had to relocate,
that that would be the time to move mom in. Now, it
wasn't easy. Again, I'll go back to the fact that I
want to honor her independence, she's been independent
since my dad left back in the sixties, okay.
Q. When were you first elected to the State Senate?
A. 2008, the end of 2008. We began the first
session in 2009. November 2008.
Q. Okay. And the primary preceded.
A. And the primary, yeah, which was --
Q. Okay.
A. Yes.
Q. And is it your testimony that, referring to
Executive Centre, you and Lehua actually physically
resided there?
A. Yes.
Q. Why did you move to Curtis Street at the time
that you did in June of 2011?
A. We had determined the reapportionment by that
time, and so it was if -- you know, if I wanted to
serve, I needed to follow the lines.
Q. Why is your wife, Abigail Lehua Galuteria, not
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present at these proceedings?
A. She's not well. I would say that at this
particular point she suffers from a high degree of
chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, and so for her to
get from point A to point B more than 30 yards is rather
challenging.
Q. In a filing done on behalf of you and Abigail,
March 24, 2015 -- and I can show it to you -- on page 5
there's a statement by your counsel that states, Lehua
is planning on registering to vote in the district --
omitted word where -- the Galuteria's Pakui Street
property is situated because of family circumstances.
This is March of this year.
A. Yes.
Q. Was that correct at that time?
A. At that time.
Q. And has something changed since then to cause her
no longer to be planning to return to Pakui Street?
A. Everything was centered around the family, and it
was our assumption at that time that our daughter would
need the support because she and her husband had split
up, so she was a single parent at the time, and that's
why we decided, okay, we're going to move her up there
so that she can spend more time.
Q. And what is the situation now, particularly in
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light of this most recent pair of affidavits that you
and Lehua just submitted?
A. My daughter has decided to go back with her
husband, and they no longer reside in Palolo.
Q. Who is residing in Palolo now?
A. We're currently renting the unit out so we can
get proper revenues.
Q. Okay. Well, you just described that there are
three or four different units there?
A. Yes, yes.
Q. Now, is your nephew still there?
A. No, he's since built, he's got his DHHL land. We
rent that out now to some college kids.
BOARD MEMBER ANDERSON: Do you still keep a
presence to the Palolo address to the some degree?
THE WITNESS: We hold a unit open. We hold a
unit open until we're going to make this move, then
we'll be able to get some -- then we'd to be able to
rent -- people to rent a fourth unit, that's our
intention.
BOARD MEMBER ANDERSON: So once you move,
you're not necessarily going to feel a need to keep a
presence in Palolo at all?
THE WITNESS: Just as a landlord. Landlord
presence.
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BOARD MEMBER ANDERSON: Okay.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: What is the timeframe
that you --
THE WITNESS: January 1.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Any other questions?
BOARD MEMBER ANDERSON: So I think a lot of
the questions of, you know, the configuration of the
space just for basic, you know, day-to-day functions, do
the three of you eat and cook and everything at Curtis
Street very often, or --
THE WITNESS: Enough; enough. I don't know
whether you could look at that as any kind of indication
of residency. I mean --
BOARD MEMBER ANDERSON: No, I'm just trying to
get a gist of how -- you know, whether that should be in
consideration at all.
THE WITNESS: Well, I don't think it should
be, because like anybody living in that type of
environment, you do what you got to do, and you cook
when you got to cook, and you sleep when you got to
sleep. I don't know --
BOARD MEMBER ANDERSON: So your mother's
inside the unit most of the day?
THE WITNESS: Oh, well, my mom is, you know,
to her great credit, she's fighting aging really hard,
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so she likes to move. But she suffers from neuropathy,
too, so her ability to walk as far as she'd like to walk
is limited, and so I think the best we can do for her is
she spend time down at the church. She spends a lot of
time down at the church, every day.
BOARD MEMBER ANDERSON: How old is your mother
again?
THE WITNESS: Eighty-five.
BOARD MEMBER ANDERSON: So about the opting
out of the property tax exemption, how many times had
you -- had you just refiled it thinking that you were
only filing it for one year?
THE WITNESS: No, you don't refile, see.
BOARD MEMBER ANDERSON: Yeah, yeah, it --
THE WITNESS: It just continues.
BOARD MEMBER ANDERSON: -- continues.
THE WITNESS: You have to opt out. And so
that was a -- to me that was a mistake I made. I got
back with the City, we did the plan, I cleared it up.
BOARD MEMBER ANDERSON: So you intended to
only file for one year, but it just kept you in the
system and --
THE WITNESS: Once you get the exemption, it
continues on, yeah. So --
BOARD MEMBER ANDERSON: But you didn't
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understand that until --
THE WITNESS: I guess I didn't. I guess it
was my mistake.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Any more?
BOARD MEMBER ANDERSON: Nothing substantial.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Mr. McCorriston,
redirect?
MR. McCORRISTON: No, I don't.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Mr. Baker, further
cross-examination?
FURTHER EXAMINATION
BY MR. BAKER:
Q. Mr. Galuteria, did you maintain your presence at
Pakui Street throughout this entire period?
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Which entire period?
MR. BAKER: Between your purchase of the house
and the present.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: And what was the second
date?
MR. BAKER: The present time.
A. Maintain a presence? Well, I would suppose so.
We lived there until we didn't, and when we didn't we
were up there supporting our children.
MR. BAKER: That's all.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Is that it?
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Mr. Nomura, any other --
MR. NOMURA: No questions from the City.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Thank you,
Mr. Galuteria, that's it.
(Witness excused.)
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Mr. McCorriston, you
have additional witnesses?
MR. McCORRISTON: That's it. We rest.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: You rest.
Mr. Nomura, any?
MR. NOMURA: The City Clerk.
Whereupon,
GLEN TAKAHASHI,
called as a witness on behalf of the City Clerk
Appellee, being first duly sworn by the Chairperson, was
examined and testified as follows:
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Would you state your
name, please.
THE WITNESS: Glen Takahashi, City Clerk.
DIRECT EXAMINATION
BY MR. NOMURA:
Q. Mr. Takahashi, please explain to us your job
title.
A. I am the City Clerk for the City and County of
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Honolulu.
Q. And when were you appointed?
A. I was appointed as acting clerk starting
January 1 of this year, upon the retirement of the
previous clerk. I was confirmed June 3rd.
Q. Of this year?
A. Of this year, yes.
Q. And prior to you being appointed and confirmed as
the City Clerk, what were you?
A. I was the elections administrator for the office
of the City Clerk.
Q. And how long have you been with the City Clerk's
office?
A. I have been there since -- 16 years, since 1999.
Q. And generally describe for us your job duties as
the City Clerk.
A. As the City Clerk I'm the recording officer for
the City Council. I serve as the department head. I
have records management responsibilities for City
documents, authentication responsibilities. I also
serve as the chief election officer for county
elections. I have responsibilities in the areas of
voter registration and absentee voting under state law
as well.
Q. And do your responsibilities also include
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investigations of voter registration challenges?
A. That is correct, yes.
Q. And you're familiar with such challenges?
A. Yes.
Q. And during your tenure at the City Clerk's office
have you been involved with investigations of voter
registration challenges?
A. Yes, I have.
Q. Approximately how many?
A. Approximately ten, perhaps a few more. But
that's -- ten that I can remember, anyway, in the last
16 years.
Q. And generally describe for us what do you do in
conducting your investigation of these voter
registration challenges.
A. Well, voter registration challenges are governed
by state law. When we receive a challenge, we inform
the challenged voter, give him the opportunity to
respond. We conduct our own so-called investigation,
although it's more of a fact finding. We don't have
investigative powers, technically, we don't carry a
badge, we're not law enforcement or anything like that.
But we do fact finding on our own, independently,
as well as giving the challenged voter opportunity to
submit whatever evidence, substantiating evidence that
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they may have, and statements. At that point, once
we've included that, we make a ruling on the voter
registration challenge and we go from there.
Q. And do you have subpoena power?
A. We do not.
Q. Are you familiar with Mr. Baker's challenge to
the Galuterias' voter registration residency?
A. Yes, I'm familiar.
Q. And how did you become familiar with that?
A. The challenge first came in, I believe it was
November 3rd that we received it, and at the time --
well, I was serving as the elections administrator at
the time, starting, I believe it was November 1st or
2nd. I actually became the Deputy City Clerk as of
early November. I continued to do the fact finding and
the work on this particular voter registration challenge
even as the deputy. Knowing that the timeline for my
predecessor's retirement was upcoming at the end of the
year, so I just continued on, knowing that at some point
I'd -- it was very likely that I'd have to rule on this
matter as well, so ...
Q. And can you describe for us what did you do with
respect to this investigation of the Baker challenge to
the Galuterias' residency.
A. Well, the first thing we do is we notified
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Mr. Galuteria and Mrs. Galuteria that they were, in
fact, challenged, give them the opportunity to submit
whatever substantiating evidence they want.
While that's going on, we do our own research.
We look into various government databases that we have
access to, driver licensing, motor vehicle records, real
property, whatever sources might be available. Campaign
spending paperwork, ethics, financial disclosure paper,
whatever might be out there that would give us an
indication of the residence of the person being
challenged. Sometime it does, sometimes it doesn't.
Case in point, if -- in this case we're dealing
with Mr. Galuteria, who's a senator. We were well aware
of that. We were well aware that he runs a campaign,
but sometime when you look into these things they have a
campaign address, so it's not -- checking campaign
spending records may not be helpful, but we go through
the process of looking at whatever sources might be
available regardless.
Q. And you recalled doing precisely that with
respect to the Baker challenge, correct?
A. Correct, yes.
MR. NOMURA: At this time, and I think the
Chair has already admitted the City Clerk's exhibits,
and I just wanted to confirm that the record that the
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City Clerk has submitted as it's exhibits have been
admitted into evidence.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Yes. Everyone's was.
Q. (By Mr. Nomura) And based on the records that
you reviewed, submitted by both Mr. Baker as well as
Mr. Galuteria and his wife, was it your understanding
that they were previously registered to vote at a Palolo
Street address?
A. Yeah. Part of our fact finding is looking at
their voter registration history, and that did reveal
what was confirmed earlier today in this hearing, that
the Galuterias were once registered at Pakui Street,
then at Bishop Street, and then at Curtis Street. And
there's some addresses before that, but those are the
three addresses that we're, I guess, we're talking
about.
Q. And it's your recollection that at least with
respect to the Galuterias' voter registration residency,
they were once registered at the Pakui Street address,
correct?
A. Yes, correct.
Q. Is it your understanding that they later changed
their voter registration residency to a Bishop Street
address?
A. Yes, yes.
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Q. Do you recall the time period?
A. I think it was 2007, or thereabouts, they had
reregistered to an address at the Bishop Street address.
Q. And is there any significance, I mean, in your
mind, the fact that voter registration residency changed
from Palolo to Bishop Street?
A. Well, typically when you reregister, that means
you're relinquishing your residence at one place and
establishing it at another, and so from what I could
gather, it happened twice since Pakui Street, if you
will.
Q. Now, do you have any recollection one way or the
other whether anyone challenged the Galuterias'
residence for voter registration purposes at their
Bishop Street address?
A. No, we didn't have any challenges.
Q. So there were none?
A. We did not.
Q. And this was -- this being the Baker challenge --
to the Curtis Street address is the only challenge to
the Galuterias' residency?
A. That's correct.
Q. Now, is it your understanding, as part of your
investigation of the Baker challenge, that the
Galuterias had claimed a homeowner real property tax
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exemption for the Palolo Street address?
A. Yes, we did establish that.
Q. And what significance did that have in your
investigation?
A. Under Hawaii Administrative Rules governing
residency, when you claim a homeowners property tax
exemption or renter's tax credit at a particular
address, it creates a rebuttable presumption of
residency at that particular location, and so once that
was determined, it's incumbent upon the person who's
claiming that as -- that homeowners exemption, in this
case, to rebut that presumption of residency.
Q. And did you ask the Galuterias to provide
additional facts or additional documents to rebut that
presumption?
A. Yes.
Q. And what did you receive?
A. Mr. Galuteria, on behalf of him and himself,
because we asked if, I believe, if we're going to treat
this separately or together, and they'll be treated
together, they submitted renter's agreements, bank
statements, what appears to be paychecks, royalty -- I
guess royalty checks from some of Mr. Galuteria's work,
tax payment vouchers, did I say rental agreements,
various documents and sworn statements regarding the
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establishment of their Curtis Street address.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Excuse me,
Mr. Takahashi, you said on behalf of him and himself.
You meant -- you misspoke, I believe.
THE WITNESS: Yeah. Again --
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Is that his wife?
THE WITNESS: Yes.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Isn't that what you're
saying?
THE WITNESS: From what we know, okay, the
challenge -- both he and his wife were challenged, and
they can be treated separately or together, and we asked
if we're going to treat this separately, but
Mr. Galuteria responded that, no, he and his wife are --
will be treated together. So the assumption that all of
the, whatever facts and things that are established are
the same for the two, unless the documents show
otherwise.
Q. (By Mr. Nomura) And actually, your understanding
was that during the course of the investigation, both
Mr. and Mrs. Galuteria were represented by counsel,
correct?
A. Yes.
Q. The McCorriston firm, correct?
A. Yes.
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Q. And in your mind, as part of the fact finding and
information gathering, did the Galuterias rebut that
presumption with respect to the homeowners real property
tax exemption?
A. Yeah, in my mind, looking at the totality of
documents and statements that were made, they had
rebutted the presumption. I was satisfied in that
sense.
Q. And after you reviewed these records you came to
a conclusion?
A. That Curtis Street is their voter registration
address as residence.
Q. And you heard the testimony that Mr. Baker had
presented in these proceedings, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. Has that presentation of the testimony of three
residents of the Royal Capitol Plaza, RCP, changed your
opinion one way or the other in terms of the voter
registration residency for the Galuterias?
A. No. I stand by our determination.
MR. NOMURA: I have no further questions.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Mr. Baker.
MR. BAKER: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
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CROSS-EXAMINATION
BY MR. BAKER:
Q. In the December 12, 2014 letter signed by you,
you said, quote, "As mentioned before, our office is
guided by the Hawaii Supreme Court ruling in Dupree
versus Hiraga. A copy of this ruling is provided for
you with this transmittal," end quote. This is
Exhibit 17, which is the Clerk's Exhibit E.
Do you still stand by that affirmation of the
primacy of Dupree in the case before this Board?
A. Yes.
MR. NOMURA: Well, let me pose an objection.
To the extent that it calls for a legal conclusion, I
object. But if Mr. Takahashi can respond to that
question, he can go ahead and respond.
A. Yes. Dupree/Hiraga is another voter registration
challenge that occurred on the County of Maui that went
all the way up to the State Supreme Court, and to the
extent that it provides us guidance, yes, we go by what
the Dupree decision guides us.
Q. (By Mr. Baker) In that December 12, 2014 letter,
your, quote, "supplemental questions," end quote,
included asking Brickwood Galuteria to provide utility
bills, insurance policies, such as car, renter's
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insurance, et cetera, tax returns, cellular phone bills,
magazine subscriptions. Did Brickwood Galuteria supply
any of these?
A. To those specific that you mentioned, he provided
a tax payment voucher in the tax area, but for the rest,
I don't believe so, that was not a submission.
Q. So does this mean that Brickwood Galuteria
supplied no federal, state or local tax returns from
2011 to election day 2014, even though law requires the
retention of tax records?
A. I don't know what the law requires, and certainly
the list of documents that can be provided is including
but not limited to --
Q. I'm sorry, that's a yes or no question.
MR. NOMURA: Well, let him answer. You asked
him a question, he's responding to your question. Let
Mr. Takahashi answer your question.
A. To the extent the -- what he provided speaks for
itself, and so those are all provided to both the Board
and yourself. What's there is there. That was what was
provided.
Q. So I'm going to take that as a "no."
MR. NOMURA: Objection. Misstates the
testimony.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Sustained on the
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objection, no. You're mischaracterizing his testimony,
and your question was very argumentative in the first
place. Next question.
Q. (By Mr. Baker) Your letter's supplemental
question number 3 includes the sentence that Brickwood
indicated he spends, quote, "a great majority of the
time," end quote, at his Palolo residence.
Didn't you view this as strong evidence that
Brickwood's only one residence, which as you know,
Hawaii Revised Statutes requires a person to have but
one residence, is his Palolo home?
MR. NOMURA: Objection. Assumes facts not in
evidence. Misstates prior testimony.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Go ahead and answer.
A. I just wanted him to clarify that statement.
Part of it is determining physical presence, and I just
wanted a clarification.
Q. Your February 2nd, 2015 letter to me -- that is
our Exhibit 18, McCorriston's Exhibit D -- noted that
the City's Real Property Assessment Division had a
Palolo address for Brickwood Galuteria, with no
notification of a move; that Abigail Galuteria's
driver's license had the Palolo address; that Brickwood
Galuteria's driver's license address was other than the
Curtis Street unit; and that Abigail Galuteria had two
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vehicles registered at their Palolo home.
Aren't these findings listed by you strong
suggestion that the Galuterias' one residence is, in
fact, their Palolo home?
MR. NOMURA: Objection. If Mr. Baker is going
to talk about or ask questions with respect to a
document, I would ask that Mr. Baker present the
document to the witness prior to his response.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Exhibit 18, you mean?
MR. NOMURA: Correct. That document is not
before Mr. Takahashi.
MR. McCORRISTON: Which includes the driver's
license made on Queen Street, not Palolo.
MR. FOX: Do you really want to do this every
time?
MR. NOMURA: Well, if he's going to refer to a
document, I would like the document be in front of
Mr. Takahashi.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: That's fine, and that is
indeed fair.
Let the record reflect that Mr. Takahashi has
just been handed a copy of, I do believe, Exhibit 18.
THE WITNESS: Yes.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Mr. Baker's Exhibit 18,
the letter dated February 2, 2015 from Mr. Takahashi, as
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City Clerk or acting City Clerk, to Mr. Baker.
MR. NOMURA: And let me state for the record
that the document speaks for itself.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: All right. I'll ask the
court reporter to repeat back Mr. Baker's question.
(The record was read by the court reporter.)
question as reference to HRS prohibiting people to own
more than one home, more than one residence, and that's
not in the letter.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: All right. Mr. Baker,
I'm going to ask you to restate the question and to
break it up. It's terribly compound, and I'd like you
to break it up. We're all looking at your Exhibit 18,
which is the letter of February 2, 2015, which goes on
for nine numbered pages.
So if you could please revise your question
to focus on particular items, and ask Mr. Takahashi to
take a look at them, refamiliarize himself with those
various things. Please refer, if you can, to page
number and numbered paragraph number.
MR. BAKER: Mr. Chairman, before we get to
that, could I just point out that Mr. McCorriston's
latest reference was to our previous question, not to
the question currently under discussion. So
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Mr. McCorriston's comment was irrelevant.
MR. McCORRISTON: Well, Mr. McCorriston notes
that the questions followed each other without any
answer in between. So I'm not sure which question is
pending, and I agree with the Chairman that both
questions were complex and compound and should be broken
down and answered one at a time. So I am confused as to
what the question is because two were asked in a row.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Should we back up to the
December question then, Mr. Baker? Would you like to go
back to that? That was the question relating to
Mr. Galuteria's comment, the supplemental question, the
unnumbered page, part of the third sheet in Exhibit 17.
Unnumbered page, but numbered paragraph 3: In your
December 6, 2014 statement you indicated spending a,
quote, "great majority of the time," end quote, at
Palolo.
Do you feel that you -- Mr. Baker, do you
feel that you've gotten an answer to that question?
MR. BAKER: Well, Mr. Chair, I was asking if
the Clerk viewed that sentence as providing a strong
indication that Brickwood Galuteria's only one
residence, as per HRS 11-13, is his Palolo home. That's
the end of that question.
MR. McCORRISTON: That was my objection, that
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the HRS does not prohibit you from owning more than one
residence.
MR. NOMURA: And let me add, too, I don't know
what sentence he's referring to at this point.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: What do you mean?
MR. NOMURA: What document are you referring
to, Mr. Baker?
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: He's referring to
Exhibit 18, third sheet of paper, which is the
unnumbered page that's headed "Supplemental Questions,"
and numbered paragraph 3 therein.
MR. BAKER: Mr. Chair, I would just dispute
Mr. McCorriston's claim that HRS 11-13 does not require
a person to have but one residence. This is repeated
repeatedly in the literature about residence and voting.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: All right. I'm just
going to read into the record one sentence, the
introductory sentence to 11-13 of Hawaii Revised
Statutes. For the purpose of this title, which relates
to elections, there can be only one residence for an
individual, but in determining residency a person may
treat one's self separate from the person's spouse. And
then the following rules determine residency for
election purposes only, and then there's a list of seven
paragraphs.
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MR. McCORRISTON: Which is for election
purposes, and there's another HRS for tax purposes, and
there's ordinances for tax purposes. So how he said the
question was absolutely wrong and a misstatement of
that.
MR. MCCORRISTON: And this Chair, this Board
has already ruled that we're here for voter registration
purposes, not for sitting in the Senate, which is
another matter. You've already ruled that.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Of course.
MR. BAKER: Mr. Chair, that's exactly what we
were saying, this is a matter of election purposes.
That's the section you read.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: That's fine, and it's
going to be understood that your question, Mr. Baker,
relates to 11-13 for election purposes, and
Mr. Takahashi's response will be focused on that only.
We'll interpret it that way. So go ahead, please,
restate, and please refrain from editorializing.
Mr. Baker, restate your question one more time.
MR. BAKER: I'm sorry, this is the question --
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: All right, this is the
question focusing --
MR. BAKER: -- about supplemental question 3?
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CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Yes. On paragraph 3,
yes. Exhibit 17, letter from Mr. -- well, officially
from Bernice Mau, but it appears to have been signed by
Mr. Takahashi for Ms. Mau -- December 12, 2014,
Exhibit 17, third page unnumbered, supplemental
questions, numbered paragraph 3: In your December 6,
2014 statement you indicated spending a, quote, "great
majority of the time," end quote, at Palolo.
MR. BAKER: And my question to the Clerk --
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Mr. Takahashi, do you
have that in front of you?
THE WITNESS: I'm familiar with what this is.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: But do you have it in
front of you?
THE WITNESS: December 12, right?
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Yes. Okay.
MR. McCORRISTON: Can I ask that the responses
from Mr. Galuteria to that question be included and
referenced by the Clerk before he answers this?
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: You can go ahead and
cross on that. Go ahead. Okay, so --
MR. BAKER: I may continue?
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Yes. So your question
again, one more time without the editorializing, you can
say 11-13 if you want.
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Q. (By Mr. Baker) Did you view the sentence by
Brickwood Galuteria that you spends, quote, "a great
majority of the time," end quote, at his Palolo
residence as strong evidence that his, quote, only one
residence is his Palolo home, end question.
A. No.
Q. Okay. Next question: Your February 2nd, 2015
letter to me -- which is our Exhibit 18, McCorriston's
Exhibit D -- noted that the City's Real Property
Assessment Division had a Palolo address for Brickwood
with no notification of a move. Is that correct?
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: All right, excuse me.
This is a nine-page letter. Could you please refer to
the page that you are alluding to that has that
statement?
MR. BAKER: It's going to take a bit of time.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Is it this very second
paragraph on the first page?
MR. NOMURA: I believe Mr. Baker is referring
to page 4, paragraph 11.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Numbered paragraph 11?
MR. NOMURA: Correct.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: That appears to be
correct.
Mr. Baker, is that indeed the paragraph
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you're referring to, on page 4 of the February 2nd,
2015 letter, numbered paragraph 11?
MR. BAKER: That's correct.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Okay. Thank you,
Mr. Nomura.
Now, the question again, Mr. Baker, is?
Mr. Takahashi, you have that in front of you?
THE WITNESS: I'm just waiting for a question
that I can answer.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: But you have that --
Q. (By Mr. Baker) Can you confirm that as stated in
the February 2nd, 2015 letter to me, that the City's
Real Property Assessment Division had a Palolo address
for Brickwood Galuteria with no notification of a move?
A. That was part of our research and investigation,
so it speaks for itself.
Q. Thank you. Moving right on, can you confirm that
the February 2nd, letter stated that Abigail Galuteria's
driver's license showed the Palolo address?
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Mr. Baker --
MR. McCORRISTON: Mr. Chairman --
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: -- it's right there and
you can safe it for your argument. You can just refer
to it. There's no need for him to reconfirm what's
already in the documents. This is -- your exhibit is
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admitted.
MR. BAKER: Mr. Chairman, you asked me to
break down the question. That's all I was doing. Are
you now telling me that I'm not allowed to break down
the question?
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: All right. You don't
have -- all right, let me be clear on this. When you're
asking for an interpretation or an analysis of
something, that's fine. But what you're merely asking
the witness, to confirm that something is in the letter
that he wrote, that's superfluous, we don't need that.
But go ahead and ask whatever it is -- if you
have some reason for -- you know, pick a paragraph, if
you're trying to get Mr. Takahashi to explain his
intent behind a statement, then fine. But if you're
simply asking him to agree that that statement is
sitting there in the letter, that's a waste of our
time.
MR. BAKER: Well, I'm not sure, Mr. Chair,
what at this point you are saying that I should be
asking.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Oh, I'm not -- I asked
you to break down your question, and because it was, you
know, a freight train with a whole bunch of box cars, I
didn't notice that some of those were simply asking
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Mr. Takahashi to restate what's already in the letter.
You don't have to do that.
BOARD MEMBER ANDERSON: Just to say it
quickly, he just means that your questions need to
contribute something additional that's not already in
the paperwork.
MR. BAKER: Okay, I give up. Moving right
along.
Q. (By Mr. Baker) Aren't the various findings
listed by you in the February 2nd letter strong evidence
that the Galuterias' one residence is their Palolo home?
A. That's not what I concluded.
MR. BAKER: Done. I'm going to have to move
on, because I'm so confused at this point by the various
arguments being put forth by the other parties that I
don't even know quite how to phrase that question in a
way that would be acceptable to the Chair.
Q. (By Mr. Baker) Next question: In your research
from, quote, government, slash, public sources -- that
is Exhibit 18, pages 3 to 4; Mr. McCorriston's Exhibit
D -- you list 13, quote, sources, end quote. But the
first eight of these sources are self-declared filings
by the Galuterias themselves used by them to buttress
their election-related claim of living in the Curtis
Street unit. They're all on voting or elective office
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related forms, none provide the needed independent
verification of living in the Curtis Street unit, which
is the kinds of information you asked Brickwood to
provide. I ask you, sir, isn't that so?
MR. NOMURA: Objection.
MR. McCORRISTON: Object to the form of the
question. Argumentative; pure argument.
MR. NOMURA: Same objection.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: It is argumentative, but
I'll let the question in.
Mr. Takahashi, did you follow the question?
He's basically saying the first eight are sort of
self-serving statements by Mr. Galuteria; is that not
correct?
THE WITNESS: I don't judge self-serving or
not. They were there, I pulled them up. Some of them
were submitted months and months and months prior. If
you look at candidate filing, financial disclosures, you
know, well before this challenge came up, so I don't
think we knew -- these are all election related, there's
no disputing that. But, I mean, whether they're
self-serving or not, I don't go to that place. So --
Q. (By Mr. Baker) Next. Should someone who is
attempting to establish a, quote, significant physical
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presence at an unit, have changed the address on their
driver's license as the law requires if that person had,
in fact, changed his or her address?
MR. McCORRISTON: Calls for conclusion, calls
for a legal opinion, calls for speculation.
MR. NOMURA: Same objection.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: And argumentative, yes.
MR. McCORRISTON: Yes.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Mr. Baker, you're going
to have to unpack that. Before you do, I will note for
the record that you pulled that phrase, significant
physical presence, you added -- I'm going to refer back
to your statement of issues, dated November 23rd, and
you did note -- just a second.
Okay. Mr. Baker, your statement of issues,
the bottom of page 2, under Section D, as in David, you
quote from Arakaki, and you say, domiciles provide
evidence of two facts, physical presence and, et
cetera. But you quoted the term physical presence.
Then when you get to page 3, at the bottom of
page 3, the very -- second to the last line, you say
the Galuterias never established their significant,
italicized, physical presence, quote-unquote. You
inserted the term "significant" and italicized it, but
you do not cite where you came up with that phrase as a
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test, and you just used it in the question that you
just asked. So I'm asking you to explain where you got
this new phrase, significant physical presence, from.
MR. BAKER: That phrase is in the Dupree
judgment, and the word "significant" is italicized in
that judgment.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Okay. I'll look for it.
Thank you. Go ahead.
Q. (By Mr. Baker) Is it true that in the
nonelection-related sources on your government public
sources list, these sources show addresses for the
Palolo home, Mahinui Road and for Bishop Street, and
none for the Curtis Street unit?
A. I'm sorry, I don't --
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: If you're simply asking
him to comment on the paperwork that's already in front
of us, you can save that for your argument. And the
paperwork is there, it's been admitted into evidence, so
you don't have to, you know, pound that any further.
It's already there.
MR. BAKER: Mr. Chair, I was trying, as had
been suggested, to unpack these various points, and I
was asking for the Clerk's view on those points. I
think that's a fair question, but you can deny it if you
wish.
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CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: No, that's fine, but
you're not asking him for his view, you're simply asking
him to confirm what's already there. That is not a
view. If you're asking him to express how he came to an
opinion on the basis of his analysis of items that are
already listed, that's fine. You've already asked that
question, it's already been answered.
MR. BAKER: Well, if you will do me the great
favor of telling me how I can ask this question in a way
that you would find acceptable, I am delighted to follow
your wording.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: I'd be delighted to know
what your question is.
My colleague on the Board needs to take a
quick break, so we're going to take five minutes now,
and we'll see what we can do. Can give you some time
to confer with Mr. Fox, or whomever.
MR. NOMURA: And actually, before we go on a
break, I'd like to point out, at least for the record,
that in the Dupree case the, quote, significant physical
present language that Mr. Baker has referred to, with
the word "significant" being italicized, is not from the
Dupree decision, it's actually from the New Mexico
Court's decided that's cited in Dupree, so that is not
Hawaii law. So I just needed that stated for the
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record.
BOARD MEMBER ANDERSON: Is that Arizona or New
Mexico?
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: New Mexico.
MR. NOMURA: I believe it refers to the New
Mexico Supreme Court Case in Klumker, K-L-U-M-K-E-R.
MR. BAKER: But you are quoting from Dupree
there, are you not?
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: All right. Okay, we can
debate that. We're going to take 10 minutes total.
We'll reconvene no later than 3:40.
(A recess was taken at 3:29 p.m.)
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: We are reconvening at
approximately 3:37 p.m.
MR. BAKER: Mr. Burdick, I confess that I am
seriously confused. We have been asking questions that
relate to a nine-page letter from the City Clerk, which
has numerous subsections to it, and I guess my
impression from what you have said so far is that we
must go through every specific statement in that letter
and question the Clerk as to whether he agrees with that
view or whatever.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: No, that's not correct.
What I'm saying is, if you want to ask questions about
different items, first, you don't have to ask him to
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reconfirm that the letter says item 1, item 2, et
cetera. Those are there and they are stated.
If you want to ask him a question as to what
value he placed on one thing or another, then you can
do that. But I think you can ask him in a much more
general way, and I think you already asked, and he's
already answered that he considered all of these
factors, and on the basis of those factors he concluded
that claim of the Galuterias was indeed valid.
Now, if you want to pick at one particular
item or another, you know, we can try it for a bit and
see how it goes. But, you know, I don't want you to
just sit there and ask him to read paragraphs. I mean,
Mr. Baker, he has basically testified that all of these
itemized paragraphs he analyzed, and he concluded that
the sum of all of that evidence was such that he was
concluding, despite some evidence that might be
considered to be the contrary, like driver registration
addresses or vehicle registration addresses, he was
nonetheless concluding that the Galuterias' claim of
residence at Curtis Street for the purposes of
Section 11-13 of the Hawaii Revised Statutes was valid.
That's what he has testified to. Now, if you want to
pick apart something, have at it.
MR. BAKER: Okay, we'll try.
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Q. (By Mr. Baker) Going back to your February 2nd,
letter, did you notice that the Screen Actors Guild pay
statements mentioned as number 2 on your list of, quote,
additional information supplied by the Galuterias --
which is our Exhibit 18, page 5, and McCorriston's
Exhibit D -- were mailed in separate envelopes in
December 2014? That is as shown in Clerk's Exhibit I.
Did you notice that?
A. Did I notice they were mailed in separate
envelopes?
Q. Yes.
A. I can't say I noticed it, but what's the
significance of it?
Q. That means -- the significance of it is that
eight of the nine items listed on page 5 were mailed
after the Galuterias' voting residence was questioned,
was challenged, and given that, I am wondering how you
can consider the addresses generated after my challenge
have any validity in establishing the Galuterias'
significant physical presence at the Curtis Street unit
before November 4, 2014?
MR. NOMURA: Objection. Misstates testimony;
argumentative.
MR. McCORRISTON: Join.
CHAIRPERSON BURDICK: Go ahead and answer.
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