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Baal vs ElijahBaal vs Elijah
We are here to debate the veracity of a
book that concerns upheavals of life,
challenges to how one thinks and
believes, holding onto values, miracles
and prophesies.
The main situation is coming into the
promised land under the ‘leadership’ of
Ahab and Jezebel. We are discussing
Elijah vs Baal
I and my colleagues will be defending
the veracity and reliability of the book(s)
of Kings as an ancient document
CS Lewis:
In this debate,
I and my fellow faculty members will be
holding our esteemed guests’ views
accountable to scrutiny and
the sensibilities of free thinkers.
And so…
Anything more than myth and legend?
I think not.
McGonagall:
Stories in the ancient world abound
Baal is no different
Elijah no different
The stories haphazard and
fanciful!
McGonagall:
I’ll take that. Good question
let’s consider how the stories play off each
other. Shall we?
Fred Rogers:
Be my guests
Gentlemen?
McGonagall:
We will be arguing the case that all of Elijah’s miracles
are meant as arguments against Baal in favor of Yahweh
being better
Baal indeed was a mythical god
but Yahweh real and Elijah real
Fred Rogers:
Who was Baal?
The God of fire and giver of the rains
both will play a big part in the miracles shown
Fred Rogers:
In his first miracle, Elijah turns off the rain
for 3 years
Fred Rogers:
There will be no rain
except by my word
There will be no rain
except by my word
Everyone is lucky once in a while, sir.
It does not do well to dwell on dreams
and forget to live.
McGonagall:
And it continues…
although Baal is a God of both fire and rain
Elijah is the one calling down fire
Fred Rogers:
On Mt Carmel, the place of normally abundant rain
there was no rain
Baal could not send fire to consume the sacrifice
but Elijah drenched his offering in water and called down fire
That would be a ‘double play’
since Baal God over fire and sender of rain water
fanciful hopes
imaginations run wild… stories made up…
Alastor "Mad-Eye" Moody:
And yet does that fit what we see in the
accounts Baal is so called ‘god of fire’
but Elijah is the one who calls down file
CS Lewis:
Elijah showed his superiority
by sending down fire on opposition
although Baal was supposed to be the god of fire
Elijah also strikes the water
making it part also showing Baal is neither
god of fire or water
He who asserts must prove.
Alastor "Mad-Eye" Moody:
CS Lewis:
We also note that Baal legends include
Baal doing favors for rich people in exchange
for the benefits of having a rich guy indebted to you
CS Lewis:
Where both Elijah and Elisha in contrast
helped ‘uninfluential’ poor widows
Baal was said to ‘ride the clouds’
so even as Elijah left this world it was
a slap in the face for Baal
Jonathan Edwards:
Sybill Trelawney is the professor of Divination:
How so?
Elijah was taken up in a
whirlwind with chariots of fire
Which mean ‘crash go the chariots’
for Baal, or so to speak.
Jonathan Edwards:
In the end the account of Elijah vs the Baals
was quite consistent and makes
perfect sense in the light of who Baal
claimed to be
CS Lewis:
Yes… let’s move on…
So, are you starting to see how in the story of Elijah
is spells Jesus all over?
CS Lewis:
Excuse me?
Jesus?
How, pray tell is Jesus in the book?
Slughorn:
Jonathan Edwards:
Like Jesus, Elijah gave his follower a double portion
of his spirit. And a double portion is what the heir gets.
Those who follow Jesus are co heirs.
Fred Rogers:
Both Elijah and Jesus raised the dead,
confronted wrong ideas about God
could control weather
and multiplied food
CS Lewis:
Both Elijah and Jesus
ascended to heaven
It takes a great deal of bravery to stand up
to our enemies, but just as much to stand
up to our friends
Now alas we must bid you farewell.
Albus Dumbledore:
And on your way ….
Albus Dumbledore:
What’s happening?
Albus Dumbledore:
I’m afraid dear sirs and madams, we
are more real than you.
While you are clever works of fiction
we are the ‘poema’ work of God
Is is us who bid you adieu.
Jonathan Edwards:
In the book of Kings, our guy bested the Baal.
Whether we did the same will be left to the
audience.
Adieu.
Jonathan Edwards:

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A posited debate - The Super Baal

  • 1. Baal vs ElijahBaal vs Elijah
  • 2. We are here to debate the veracity of a book that concerns upheavals of life, challenges to how one thinks and believes, holding onto values, miracles and prophesies. The main situation is coming into the promised land under the ‘leadership’ of Ahab and Jezebel. We are discussing Elijah vs Baal I and my colleagues will be defending the veracity and reliability of the book(s) of Kings as an ancient document CS Lewis:
  • 3. In this debate, I and my fellow faculty members will be holding our esteemed guests’ views accountable to scrutiny and the sensibilities of free thinkers. And so… Anything more than myth and legend? I think not. McGonagall:
  • 4. Stories in the ancient world abound Baal is no different Elijah no different The stories haphazard and fanciful! McGonagall:
  • 5. I’ll take that. Good question let’s consider how the stories play off each other. Shall we? Fred Rogers:
  • 7. We will be arguing the case that all of Elijah’s miracles are meant as arguments against Baal in favor of Yahweh being better Baal indeed was a mythical god but Yahweh real and Elijah real Fred Rogers:
  • 8. Who was Baal? The God of fire and giver of the rains both will play a big part in the miracles shown Fred Rogers:
  • 9. In his first miracle, Elijah turns off the rain for 3 years Fred Rogers: There will be no rain except by my word There will be no rain except by my word
  • 10. Everyone is lucky once in a while, sir. It does not do well to dwell on dreams and forget to live. McGonagall:
  • 11. And it continues… although Baal is a God of both fire and rain Elijah is the one calling down fire Fred Rogers:
  • 12. On Mt Carmel, the place of normally abundant rain there was no rain Baal could not send fire to consume the sacrifice but Elijah drenched his offering in water and called down fire
  • 13. That would be a ‘double play’ since Baal God over fire and sender of rain water
  • 14. fanciful hopes imaginations run wild… stories made up… Alastor "Mad-Eye" Moody:
  • 15. And yet does that fit what we see in the accounts Baal is so called ‘god of fire’ but Elijah is the one who calls down file CS Lewis:
  • 16. Elijah showed his superiority by sending down fire on opposition although Baal was supposed to be the god of fire
  • 17. Elijah also strikes the water making it part also showing Baal is neither god of fire or water
  • 18. He who asserts must prove. Alastor "Mad-Eye" Moody:
  • 19. CS Lewis: We also note that Baal legends include Baal doing favors for rich people in exchange for the benefits of having a rich guy indebted to you
  • 20. CS Lewis: Where both Elijah and Elisha in contrast helped ‘uninfluential’ poor widows
  • 21.
  • 22. Baal was said to ‘ride the clouds’ so even as Elijah left this world it was a slap in the face for Baal Jonathan Edwards:
  • 23. Sybill Trelawney is the professor of Divination: How so?
  • 24. Elijah was taken up in a whirlwind with chariots of fire
  • 25. Which mean ‘crash go the chariots’ for Baal, or so to speak. Jonathan Edwards:
  • 26. In the end the account of Elijah vs the Baals was quite consistent and makes perfect sense in the light of who Baal claimed to be CS Lewis:
  • 27. Yes… let’s move on… So, are you starting to see how in the story of Elijah is spells Jesus all over? CS Lewis:
  • 28. Excuse me? Jesus? How, pray tell is Jesus in the book? Slughorn:
  • 29. Jonathan Edwards: Like Jesus, Elijah gave his follower a double portion of his spirit. And a double portion is what the heir gets. Those who follow Jesus are co heirs.
  • 30. Fred Rogers: Both Elijah and Jesus raised the dead, confronted wrong ideas about God could control weather and multiplied food
  • 31. CS Lewis: Both Elijah and Jesus ascended to heaven
  • 32. It takes a great deal of bravery to stand up to our enemies, but just as much to stand up to our friends Now alas we must bid you farewell. Albus Dumbledore:
  • 33. And on your way …. Albus Dumbledore:
  • 35. I’m afraid dear sirs and madams, we are more real than you. While you are clever works of fiction we are the ‘poema’ work of God Is is us who bid you adieu. Jonathan Edwards:
  • 36. In the book of Kings, our guy bested the Baal. Whether we did the same will be left to the audience. Adieu. Jonathan Edwards: