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Sensemaking Lessons
FROM THE
PRIVATE SECTOR
I am an information
architect who loves to
make sense of messes.
Reasons for my civic duty
1. The messes you all face have me in awe

2. I know how hard it is to make sense

3. I have tools to share to make it feel more manageable
The Department
of Complexity
Everything is Complex
• Convinced ourselves we already have our arms
wrapped around complexity enough to judge the
fittingness of others’ approaches to managing it. 

• Documented examples of good and bad
complexity management in practice

• Published academically-based theories,
frameworks and recommendations to reference
to sense makers across all industries and fields
of practice
Prerequisites w/ Low Probability
Mined from the Complexity Caverns of Capitalism
1
Swoop up and
down, swoop
round and round
2
Unmapped
Complexity
Breeds Fear
3
It’s People
All the Way
Down
Swoop up and down,
Swoop round and round
1
Image: Hooray for Birds by Lucy Cousins
“ Do organizations generally just give you
everything you need at the start of the project
or how does that all work? ”
A student recently
Me
Images: https://emojipedia.org/apple/
Areas of Inquiry
1. Context: “Capabilities, Aspirations,
Resources”

2. People: “Desires, Needs, Concerns”
Information Architecture for the Web and Beyond, Morville/Rosenfeld/Arango
Context
• What is the historical context?

• What is the end user context?

• What is the internal user context?

• What is the systems’ context?

• What is the data context?

• What is product, market or industry context?

• What is the context of time, team & resources available?
People
Who are the people or teams:
• within what you are working on?

• below what you are working on?

• above what you are working on?

• adjacent to what you are working on?

• behind what you are working on?
Stakeholder Interviewing
What is stuck in peoples’ heads?
Set boundaries before
the questions start
Boundaries I Set
• You were chosen because your experience
matters to the work I am trying to do

• I am recording so I can listen back and
transcribe fully

• What you say in this room is private, and your
identity will never be revealed to anyone

• I am interested in your experience, and your
ideas — so there are no wrong answers
Lean on the script, a
perfect prop to push
people further
Plan a flow
to build trust
Trust-Building Flow
1. Position: Questions that explore the stakeholders position in
relation to the subject being explored in the interview. 

2. Beliefs: Questions that push to explore the things the
stakeholder believes to be true as it relates to the subject
being explored.

3. Doubts: Questions that push the stakeholder to explore the
things that make them less comfortable in the subject being
explored.

4. Color: Questions that you feel they are uniquely positioned
to answer given their background, experience and/or
answers to the above
Talk to the
Right People
What does it mean to
hold stake?
Find the people who…
• Could change the course of your project mid stream

• Sign off on your work or the work of your partners

• Will help you make the thing you are making

• Market the thing you are making

• Measure the success of the thing you are making

• Maintain the thing you are making

• Translate/interpret/adapt the thing you are making

• Provide customer service on the thing you are making
Give as much after
the interview as before
and during
Hard Truths
• You actually have to listen and take your own notes 

• Transcripts are NOT notes, outsourcing doesn't work

• Unorganized, long-form notes and transcripts are useless
when you get to analysis
My notes for a small stakeholder interview project with 10 participants (30 min each) across three departments
5Hrs Prepping

5

Hrs Interviewing

5

Hrs Listening Back
How to Interview Stakeholders
1. Set Boundaries before the questions start
2. Lean on the script, a perfect prop to push people further
3. Plan a flow to build trust
4. Talk to the right people
5. Give as much after the interview as before and during
Unmapped Complexity
Breeds Fear
2
Welcome
to the
MIDDLE
of the
BEGINNING
Sensemaking Lessons from the Private Sector
Sensemaking Lessons from the Private Sector
PEOPLE
NEED MAPS
“ Do you have a map of what exists? ”
Me in many a meeting with sense-making advice-seekers
Auditing for Understanding
What is the shape of the problem?
Hub & Spoke Funnel or Flow Nest & Label
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Identify the bounds of
the problem space
Circle of Control
Circle of Influence
Circle of Concern
Based on Stephen Covey’s Circles of Control, Influence & Concern
Reverse engineer everything
you can to uncover the true
current state and honest
accountancy of past efforts 

Document the
measurement, labels
and intentions

Document the risks
Gather the right inputs
Do you have full access to:
• Functionality?

• Content?

• Data?

• Users?

• Stakeholders?
Create a framework
with the future use
in mind
Diagram vs. Matrix
Create a humane
plan of attack
Time Spent Auditing
EnthusiasmforAudit
Images: https://emojipedia.org/apple/
Break Up Your Audit By:
• User type

• Context

• Channel

• Task

• Component

• …something else
Assume best intentions
of past sense makers
BECAUSE
REASONS
How to Audit for Understanding
1. Identify the bounds of the problem space
2. Gather the right inputs
3. Create a framework with the future use in mind
4. Create a humane plan of attack
5. Assume best intentions of past sense makers
It’s people
all the way down
3
Kindness & Bravery
How can we plan for the human part so that we aren’t
disappointed when that’s where we inevitably end up?
When NOT in doubt,
ask a question
Define & Defend
Enough
Pay it Forward
Be clarity for
those drowning in
ambiguity
IT DEPENDS
THERE IS NO HOPE
when I say…
they hear…
GOODBYE
CONFUSION
There is an i in kind
Do the detective
work needed to
understand
context & people
Make maps,
because we need
maps to move
forward in
uncertainty
Be kind and brave
as you plan for the
inescapable human
part of sense
making
Permission
Granted
Abby Covert, Information Architect | AbbyCovert.com
Thank you.
www.abbycovert.com/speaking/sensemaking-lessons
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Sensemaking Lessons from the Private Sector

  • 2. I am an information architect who loves to make sense of messes.
  • 3. Reasons for my civic duty 1. The messes you all face have me in awe 2. I know how hard it is to make sense 3. I have tools to share to make it feel more manageable
  • 6. • Convinced ourselves we already have our arms wrapped around complexity enough to judge the fittingness of others’ approaches to managing it. • Documented examples of good and bad complexity management in practice • Published academically-based theories, frameworks and recommendations to reference to sense makers across all industries and fields of practice Prerequisites w/ Low Probability
  • 7. Mined from the Complexity Caverns of Capitalism 1 Swoop up and down, swoop round and round 2 Unmapped Complexity Breeds Fear 3 It’s People All the Way Down
  • 8. Swoop up and down, Swoop round and round 1
  • 9. Image: Hooray for Birds by Lucy Cousins
  • 10. “ Do organizations generally just give you everything you need at the start of the project or how does that all work? ” A student recently
  • 12. Areas of Inquiry 1. Context: “Capabilities, Aspirations, Resources” 2. People: “Desires, Needs, Concerns” Information Architecture for the Web and Beyond, Morville/Rosenfeld/Arango
  • 13. Context • What is the historical context? • What is the end user context? • What is the internal user context? • What is the systems’ context? • What is the data context? • What is product, market or industry context? • What is the context of time, team & resources available?
  • 14. People Who are the people or teams: • within what you are working on? • below what you are working on? • above what you are working on? • adjacent to what you are working on? • behind what you are working on?
  • 15. Stakeholder Interviewing What is stuck in peoples’ heads?
  • 16. Set boundaries before the questions start
  • 17. Boundaries I Set • You were chosen because your experience matters to the work I am trying to do • I am recording so I can listen back and transcribe fully • What you say in this room is private, and your identity will never be revealed to anyone • I am interested in your experience, and your ideas — so there are no wrong answers
  • 18. Lean on the script, a perfect prop to push people further
  • 19. Plan a flow to build trust
  • 20. Trust-Building Flow 1. Position: Questions that explore the stakeholders position in relation to the subject being explored in the interview. 2. Beliefs: Questions that push to explore the things the stakeholder believes to be true as it relates to the subject being explored. 3. Doubts: Questions that push the stakeholder to explore the things that make them less comfortable in the subject being explored. 4. Color: Questions that you feel they are uniquely positioned to answer given their background, experience and/or answers to the above
  • 22. What does it mean to hold stake?
  • 23. Find the people who… • Could change the course of your project mid stream • Sign off on your work or the work of your partners • Will help you make the thing you are making • Market the thing you are making • Measure the success of the thing you are making • Maintain the thing you are making • Translate/interpret/adapt the thing you are making • Provide customer service on the thing you are making
  • 24. Give as much after the interview as before and during
  • 25. Hard Truths • You actually have to listen and take your own notes • Transcripts are NOT notes, outsourcing doesn't work • Unorganized, long-form notes and transcripts are useless when you get to analysis
  • 26. My notes for a small stakeholder interview project with 10 participants (30 min each) across three departments 5Hrs Prepping 5 Hrs Interviewing 5 Hrs Listening Back
  • 27. How to Interview Stakeholders 1. Set Boundaries before the questions start 2. Lean on the script, a perfect prop to push people further 3. Plan a flow to build trust 4. Talk to the right people 5. Give as much after the interview as before and during
  • 33. “ Do you have a map of what exists? ” Me in many a meeting with sense-making advice-seekers
  • 34. Auditing for Understanding What is the shape of the problem?
  • 35. Hub & Spoke Funnel or Flow Nest & Label Home About Recipes Festivals IYS Book Distribution Downloads Donate Press Room Contact Us Founder Acharya of ISKCON Yatra Kartik Yatra 2010 Kartik Yatra 2011 Kanyakumari Kanyakumari Suchindram Thirukkurungudi Thiruvananthapuram (Trivandrum) Thiruvattar-Adikeshav Temple Rameshwaram Rameshwaram Tirupallani Temple Sri Rangam Anbil Kovil Appakudatthan Thiruvellarai Sri Rangam Chandan Yatra Pushya Abhishek Govardhan Puja Drama Festival Nauka Vhar Jal Krida Jhulan Yatra Holi Radhagopinath Brahmotsavam Janmashtami Donation Form Newsletters Back to Godhead How to Donate Annamrita Artha Conclave Bhaktivedanta Hospital Ghatkopar Rath Yatra Gita Championship League Govardhan Eco Village Janmashtami Misc Coverages Radhanath Swami Shivaji Park Rath Yatra 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2015 - Artha 2013 2015 - Ghatkopar Rath Yatra 2015-Gita Champions League 2012 2015 2014 - Janmashtami Nepal Earth Quake Relief by ISKCON - 2015 2015 - RNS 2013 - Shivaji Park Rath Yatra Srila Prabhupada Radhanath Swami Downloads Community Damodar Ashtakam Forms Newsletters StoriesChandan YatraChandan Yatra< Recipe Name > (36) Daily Darshan Calendar Chandan YatraChandan Yatra<Date> (365) Chandan YatraChandan YatraPhoto RSS Twitter Facebook Google + Radhanath Swami Inspires Media Photos Subscribe Back to Godhead Daily Audio Lectures <Lecture Name> <Lecture Name> <Lecture Name> Temple Live http://www.radhanathswami.us/http://www.radhagopinathmedia.com His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada https://prabhupadavani.org/ Download PDF http://radhanathswamiinspires.com/ http://store.krishna.com/Page.bok? template=Subscriptions_Splash Chandan YatraChandan Yatra< Post Name > < Form Name >< Form Name >< Form Name > (4) < Form Name >< Form Name >< Newsletter Date > (2) http://food.radhagopinath.com/ Email Alerts http://donations.radhagopinath.com/ http://iysmumbai.com/ Chandan YatraChandan Yatra<Post> (< 444)
  • 36. Identify the bounds of the problem space
  • 37. Circle of Control Circle of Influence Circle of Concern Based on Stephen Covey’s Circles of Control, Influence & Concern Reverse engineer everything you can to uncover the true current state and honest accountancy of past efforts Document the measurement, labels and intentions Document the risks
  • 39. Do you have full access to: • Functionality? • Content? • Data? • Users? • Stakeholders?
  • 40. Create a framework with the future use in mind
  • 42. Create a humane plan of attack
  • 43. Time Spent Auditing EnthusiasmforAudit Images: https://emojipedia.org/apple/
  • 44. Break Up Your Audit By: • User type • Context • Channel • Task • Component • …something else
  • 45. Assume best intentions of past sense makers
  • 47. How to Audit for Understanding 1. Identify the bounds of the problem space 2. Gather the right inputs 3. Create a framework with the future use in mind 4. Create a humane plan of attack 5. Assume best intentions of past sense makers
  • 48. It’s people all the way down 3
  • 49. Kindness & Bravery How can we plan for the human part so that we aren’t disappointed when that’s where we inevitably end up?
  • 50. When NOT in doubt, ask a question
  • 53. Be clarity for those drowning in ambiguity
  • 54. IT DEPENDS THERE IS NO HOPE when I say… they hear…
  • 56. There is an i in kind
  • 57. Do the detective work needed to understand context & people Make maps, because we need maps to move forward in uncertainty Be kind and brave as you plan for the inescapable human part of sense making
  • 59. Abby Covert, Information Architect | AbbyCovert.com Thank you. www.abbycovert.com/speaking/sensemaking-lessons Presentation Deck & Write-up Available Now: