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Experience the Eide Bailly Difference
A Method to the Madness
Pricing Physician Services
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Pricing Physician Services
• David Manning, CPA,
CMPE
• Manager in Health Care
Consulting, Eide Bailly LLP
• 20+ years in health care
• Former manager of several
clinics, both hospital owned
and private practice
• T. 701-476-8334
• dmanning@eidebailly.com
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Pricing Physician Services
Madness?
Method?
What is it about pricing
physician services that is
so frustrating?
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Gross Charge
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Only 15,471 Rows!
Medicare Physician Fee Schedule
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Madness?
We get caught up in the complexities of
providing services:
• Eligibility and prior authorizations
• Copayment collection
• Appeals and denials
• Bonus payments and penalties
• Reimbursement calculations
At the end of the day, it can be exhausting!
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Make money the old
fashioned way –
We smile and look
cute until someone
has pity on us!
Lemonade Stand
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Price? – What the market will bear!
But what if the girls
down the street setup
a competing stand?
Lemonade Stand
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And what if they’re really cute?
Lemonade Stand
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Price?
– Time to slash prices!
But how low can you go?
Lemonade Stand
X 15¢
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What about your costs?
Costs? I thought Mom bought the
lemonade?
OK: Lemonade Mix 8¢ /glass
Lemon slice 7¢ /glass
Labor…..(Dad, I’m 12!) 0¢ /glass
Total operating costs 15¢ /glass
Lemonade Stand
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Let’s see…
If we sell for 15¢…
And our costs are 15¢
We going to
need a
Bigger Truck!
Lemonade Stand
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Pricing Physician Services
“All I Really Needed to Know I Learned In
Kindergarten”
- Robert Fulghum
Really? Sometimes I wonder.
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The Four
Fundamentals
1. Cover Your Costs
2. Leave Nothing Behind
3. Know Your Market
4. Play Fair
Method:
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1. Cover Your Costs
• Provider labor
• Clinical staff
• Front office, business office &
administration
• Supplies
• Equipment
• Facilities & overhead
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1. Cover Your Costs
• Detailed cost reporting system?
• Can your practice track costs
to the procedure level?
• Overhead to a daily total?
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The Resource-Based Relative Value Scale
(RBRVS) was researched at Harvard
University in the 1980’s. RVU’s have been
in use by CMS since 1992.
RVS Update Committee (RUC)
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1. Cover Your Costs
Medicare Relative Value System (RVUs)
(3 Components)
o Work RVUs (WRVUs)
o Practice Expense RVUs (PE RVUs)
- Non-Facility PE RVUs
- Facility PE RVUs
o Malpractice RVUs (MP RVUs)
Professional Liability Insurance (PLI)
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1. Cover Your Costs
Medicare Relative Value System (RVUs)
Provider
Work
RVUs
Practice
Expense
RVUs
Malpractice
Expense
RVUs
Total
RVUs
+ + =
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1. Cover Your Costs
Total RVU’s are then multiplied by a
dollar value conversion factor to arrive
at a payment for the procedure.
Total
RVUs
$ Conversion
Factor
Medicare
Payment
x =
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1. Cover Your Costs
But, the costs of delivering medical
care vary across the country.
To adjust for cost differences from
region to region, CMS calculates and
applies Geographic Practice Cost
Indices (GPCIs):
• Work GPCI
• Practice Expense GPCI
• Malpractice GPCI
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Medicare Physician Fee Schedule
payments are calculated:
RVU – Relative Value Unit
GPCI – Geographic Practice Cost Index
Medicare
Payment
=
Work
RVU
X
Work
GPCI
Practice
Expense
RVU
X
Practice
Expense
GPCI
Malpractice
Expense RVU X
Malpractice
Expense
GPCI
++ X
Payment
Conversion
Factor ($)
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Medicare Physician Fee Schedule
payments for each CPT code:
Work
RVU
X
Work
GPCI
Practice
Expense
RVU
X
Practice
Expense
GPCI
Malpractice
Expense RVU X
Malpractice
Expense
GPCI
++ =
Locality Adjusted
Total RVUs
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Locality
Adjusted Total
RVUs
$ Conversion
Factor
RVU Based
Payment
x =
Medicare Physician Fee Schedule
payments are calculated:
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Total Locality
Adjusted
RVUs
Cost Allocation
Factor
Total Operating
Costs =÷
1. Cover Your Costs
• But what about costs?
• Let’s rework the formula:
Units of
Production Cost per Unit
Operating
Costs
=÷
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1. Cover Your Costs
• The Cost Allocation Factor used
in conjunction with Locality
Adjusted RVU’s for each CPT
code can be used as a proxy
cost accounting system.
• Allows for cost allocation at the
CPT code level
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1. Cover Your Costs
• $38.24 (Cost Allocation Factor)
Medicare currently pays $34.04
per RVU
Total Operating Costs 342,592$
Total RVUs (Annual) 8,958
Total Op Cost per RVU 38.24$
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1. Cover Your Costs
• On average, you’ll need to be
paid more than $38.24 per RVU
in order to stay solvent
• Can this knowledge inform your
pricing and contract
negotiations?
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1. Cover Your Costs
• You’ll need to average $54.54
- just to break even
Cover Your Costs!
Facility
CPT Code WRVUs PE RVUs MP RVUs Total RVUs
99213 0.97 0.42 0.07 1.4600
GPCI Factors 1.000 1.000 0.517
Locality Adj
Total RVUs 0.97 0.42 0.03619 1.4262
Cost Allocation Factor 38.24$
Break Even Point for 99213 54.54$
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2. Leave Nothing Behind
• We’re not talking about
“Leave no man behind”
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2. Leave Nothing Behind
• We’re talking about
“Leave no money behind!”
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2. Leave Nothing Behind
• Medicare PFS, Lab, Drugs, DME
• Medicaid, Lab, DME
• Commercial Fee Schedules
All Pay on a contracted Fee Schedule
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2. Leave Nothing Behind
All Pay on a contracted Fee Schedule
But, they will pay:
“The lesser of billed charges or the
negotiated fee schedule amount”
Your Charge Allowable
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2. Leave Nothing Behind
• Commercial % of Charge
• Self Pay Patients
Granted, these payers/patients pay
based on whatever is charged.
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2. Leave Nothing Behind
• Inventive: Set charge at least
above the highest maximum
allowable amount
• Or receive lesser amount when
additional reimbursement could
have been received
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2. Leave Nothing Behind
• Line up fee schedule maximum
allowable amounts and compare
to identify the largest allowable
amount
• This is the threshold below which
you have left dollars on the table
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2. Leave Nothing Behind
Locality Adj Facility Conversion
CPT Code Total RVUs Payment Factor
99213 1.4262
46.78$ 32.80$
42.81$ 30.02$
71.00$ 49.78$
71.41$ 50.07$
Medicare
Medicaid
Big Commercial
Smaller Commercial
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2. Leave Nothing Behind
• We’ve identified the maximum of
the Maximum Allowable Amounts
• This is a virtual floor below which
you likely will not go
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3. Know Your Market
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3. Know Your Market
• How far does your market
stretch?
• What other providers are in your
market?
• What are you core services?
• Where are you in the health care
marketplace?
• Market knowledge?
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3. Know Your Market
How far does your market stretch?
• Unless you’re a regional tertiary
provider, your market likely matches
local or regional retail markets
• Amazon.com, Walmart?
• Abuse your local marketplace and
make big profits, and you’ll invite in big
box competition
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3. Know Your Market
What other providers are in your
market?
• How far will your patients travel for
services with competitors?
• Retail travel patterns
• Compete or collaborate?
(But do not conspire)
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3. Know Your Market
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3. Know Your Market
• Everybody guesses 1st
• Top group compete for 2nd
(top group could be within 25c or top10)
• Top two compete for 3rd price
• Farmer’s Cost is tie-breaker
• Prize is Cookies & Milk
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3. Know Your Market
A Gallon of Milk Price
Supermarket ?
Big Box Market ?
Gas Station ?
Tie Breaker
Farmer’s Costs $3.15
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3. Know Your Market
Where are you in the health care
marketplace?
• Price leader / volume dependent
• Convenience store
• Boutique
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3. Know Your Market
Sources of Market Knowledge
• Patients (employees)
• Mystery shopper
• Associations & publications
• Government reports
• Commercial databases (e.g. Ingenix
Custom Fee Analyzer)
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3. Know Your Market
Sources of Market Knowledge
Ingenix Custom Fee Analyzer Sample:
For a provider specific GeoZIP area
Area Area Area Area Area Area Area
CPT 50th 60th 75th 80th 85th 90th 95th
99211 59 61 66 66 68 72 81
99212 83 85 92 94 96 101 114
99213 106 109 117 119 123 129 146
99214 152 156 169 172 177 186 210
99215 242 249 270 273 282 296 335
Description
Office/outpatientvisitestL1
Office/outpatientvisitestL2
Office/outpatientvisitestL3
Office/outpatientvisitestL4
Office/outpatientvisitestL5
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Sources of Market Knowledge
Our Cost Allocation Factor for 99213 is $54.54
• Remember there is cost shifting going on
Locality Adj Area Conversion
CPT Total RVUs 75th Factor
99211 0.2652 66.00$ 248.90$
99212 0.7207 92.00$ 127.66$
99213 1.4262 117.00$ 82.04$
99214 2.1917 169.00$ 77.11$
99215 3.0824 270.00$ 87.59$
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Locality Maximum Max Allow Ingenix Ingenix
Adjusted Allowable Conversion Area Conversion
CPT Total RVUs Fee Schedule Factor 75th Factor
99211 0.2652 17.93$ 70.17$ 66.00$ 248.90$
99212 0.7207 36.25$ 52.28$ 92.00$ 127.66$
99213 1.4262 71.41$ 51.95$ 117.00$ 82.04$
99214 2.1917 109.83$ 51.97$ 169.00$ 77.11$
99215 3.0824 154.03$ 51.82$ 270.00$ 87.59$
Average 55.64$ 124.66$
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3. Know Your Market
Calculating RVU Based Reimbursement
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Locality Current Proposed Proposed Proposed
Adjusted Clinic RVU BASED Increase Percentage
CPT Total RVUs Fee Schedule Fee (Decrease) Change
E&MConversion Factor 98.00$
99211 0.2652 103.00$ 26.00$ (77.00)$ -75%
99212 0.7207 113.00$ 70.60$ (42.40)$ -38%
99213 1.4262 139.00$ 139.80$ 0.80$ 1%
99214 2.1917 205.00$ 214.80$ 9.80$ 5%
99215 3.0824 275.00$ 302.10$ 27.10$ 10%
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3. Know Your Market
Calculating RVU Based Reimbursement
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4. Play Fair
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Locality Current Proposed Proposed Proposed
Adjusted Clinic RVU BASED Increase Percentage
CPT Total RVUs Fee Schedule Fee (Decrease) Change
E&MConversion Factor 98.00$
99211 0.2652 103.00$ 26.00$ (77.00)$ -75%
99212 0.7207 113.00$ 70.60$ (42.40)$ -38%
99213 1.4262 139.00$ 139.80$ 0.80$ 1%
99214 2.1917 205.00$ 214.80$ 9.80$ 5%
99215 3.0824 275.00$ 302.10$ 27.10$ 10%
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4. Play Fair
Calculating RVU Based Reimbursement
Is a 75% decrease or 10% increase OK?
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4. Play Fair
Calculating RVU Based Reimbursement
Is a fee of more than 11 times the market
fee appropriate? Fair?
Locality Maximum Ingenix Proposed
Adjusted Allowable Area RVU BASED
CPT Total RVUs Fee Schedule 75th Fee
65205 1.1636 120.56$ 18.00$ 203.63$
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4. Play Fair
Management must apply local market
information and business judgment to the
process of setting and evaluating fees.
Being 11 times higher than market may
have a reasonable explanation.
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4. Play Fair
The majority of providers generate 80 to
90 percent of their revenue on 25 or fewer
procedure codes.
A significant impact
can be made by
focusing on these
top codes.
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4. Play Fair
Many existing fees are significantly
different from RVU based fees.
The clinic may justify a minimum charge
amount regardless of RVU value. For
instance a minimum $50 charge for a
provider visit regardless of the RVU value
top cover the basic costs of being seen.
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4. Play Fair
The clinic may establish a ceiling amount
above which they will not charge, even if
the market is above this level (e.g. 7 times
Medicare, etc.).
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4. Play Fair
A phased approach to arriving at RVU
based fees can mitigate the impact of
large price variances.
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How to handle new fees
• Do we have RVUs?
• Do we have payer fee schedules?
• Do we know the costs?
• Is there a substantially similar
procedure that we have data for?
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How do we handle laboratory,
drugs, vaccines, DME and
other items without RVUs?
• Not paid on RVUs
• Reimbursement based
on retail or other benchmarks
• Use times government ratio to set
rational fees or other reference (such as
cost)
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Provider-based billing?
• Provider-based billing splits professional
and technical components
• We recommend first establishing a global
fee for all non-governmental payers
• Then, set 80% of the global as the
professional fee.
• Evaluate professional fee to leave nothing
behind
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Provider-based billing?
• Technical fee is balance of global fee
• Because technical fee is paid on
retrospective settlement of costs, price is
relevant only for copayment amount.
• Patients pay copayment amount on both
professional and technical components
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The Four
Fundamentals
1. Cover Your Costs
2. Leave Nothing Behind
3. Know Your Market
4. Play Fair
Review:
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Compelling Clinic Metrics
David Manning, CPA, CMPE
Manager in Health Care Consulting,
Eide Bailly, LLP
T. 701-476-8334
dmanning@eidebailly.com
Thank you for your kind attention.
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