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Taliban Have Begun Talks With U.S., Former Taliban Aides Say - NYTimes.com                                   Page 1 of 2




 Former Taliban Officials Say U.S. Talks Started
 By ALISSA J. RUBIN
 Published: January 28, 2012


 KABUL, Afghanistan — Several Taliban negotiators have begun                                RECOMMEND

 meeting with American officials in Qatar, where they are discussing                        TWITTER
 preliminary trust-building measures, including a possible prisoner                         LINKEDIN
 transfer, several former Taliban officials said Saturday.
                                                                                            SIGN IN TO E-
                                                                                            MAIL
                     Enlarge This Image      The former officials said that four to
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                                             eight Taliban representatives had
                                                                                            REPRINTS
                                             traveled to Qatar from Pakistan to set
                                                                                            SHARE
                                             up a political office for the exiled
                                             Afghan insurgent group.

                                             The comments suggested that the
            Musadeq Sadeq/Associated Press   Taliban, who have not publicly said
 Marc Grossman, left, an American            they would engage in peace talks to end the war in
 envoy, and the Afghan Deputy Foreign
 Minister Jawed Ludin.                       Afghanistan, were gearing up for preliminary discussions.

                                             American officials would not deny that meetings had taken
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                                             place, and the discussions seemed to have at least the tacit
 Talks With Taliban a Long Way Off,
 American Envoy Says (January 23,            approval of Pakistan, which has thwarted previous efforts
 2012)                                       by the Taliban to engage in talks.

 Connect With                                The Afghan government, which was initially angry that it
 Us on Twitter                               had been left out, has accepted the talks in principle but is
 Follow
 @nytimesworld for                           not directly involved, a potential snag in what could be a
 international                               historic development.
 breaking news and
 headlines.
                                             The former Taliban officials, interviewed Saturday in Kabul,
 Twitter List: Reporters and Editors
                                             were careful not to call the discussions peace talks.

 “Currently there are no peace talks going on,” said Maulavi Qalamuddin, the former
 minister of vice and virtue for the Taliban who is now a member of the High Peace Council
 here. “The only thing is the negotiations over release of Taliban prisoners from
 Guantánamo, which is still under discussion between both sides in Qatar. We also want to
 strengthen the talks so we can create an environment of trust for further talks in the
 future.”

 The State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland has said only that Marc Grossman,
 the Obama administration’s special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, had “a
 number of meetings” related to Afghanistan when he visited Qatar last week.

 The Taliban’s announcement this month that they would open an office in Qatar, which
 could allow for direct negotiations, drew fire from some Afghan factions as well as some
 American policy makers, who fear the insurgents would use negotiations as a ploy to gain
 legitimacy and then continue their efforts to reimpose an extremist Islamic state in
 Afghanistan.

 Mr. Grossman, at a news conference in Kabul last week, said that real peace talks could
 begin only after the Taliban renounced international terrorism and agreed to support a
 peace process to end the armed conflict.

 The Afghan government and the Qataris must also come to an agreement on the terms
 under which the Taliban will have an office. Mr. Grossman has been regularly briefing the
 Afghan government but Afghan officials have complained that they were being kept out of
 the loop.

 The Taliban officials now in Doha, Qatar, include a former secretary to the Taliban’s leader,
 Mullah Muhammad Omar, as well as several former officials of the Taliban government
 that ruled Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001, according to Mr. Qalamuddin and Arsala
 Rahmani, a former Taliban minister of higher education.




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Taliban Have Begun Talks With U.S., Former Taliban Aides Say - NYTimes.com                        Page 2 of 2



 The former Taliban officials here described fairly advanced discussions in Qatar about the
 transfer of prisoners. One former official, Syed Muhammad Akbar Agha, who had been a
 Taliban military commander, said that five Taliban prisoners were to be transferred in two
 phases, two or three in one group and then the remainder.

 There has also been discussion in Qatar of removing some Taliban members from NATO’s
 “kill or capture” lists, the former Taliban officials said.

 Mr. Grossman, in his comments last week, played down talk of detainee releases, saying
 the United States had not yet decided on the issue. “This is an issue of United States law
 first of all, that we have to meet the requirements of our law,” he said.

 He said the Obama administration would also consult with Congress. Under American law,
 the defense secretary must certify to Congress that the transfer of any Guantánamo
 prisoner to a foreign country would meet certain requirements, including that the country
 maintains control over its prisons and will not allow a transferred detainee to become a
 future threat to the United States.

 If any detainees were released, Western and Afghan officials said, they would likely be
 transferred to Qatar and held there, perhaps under house arrest.

 The former Taliban officials said that they were most surprised by Pakistan’s decision to
 allow the Taliban delegates to obtain travel documents and board a plane to Qatar. The
 former officials have long contended that Pakistan has obstructed talks. “This is a green
 light from Pakistan,” Mr. Rahmani said.

 Pakistan “definitely supported this and is also helping,” Mr. Qalamuddin added. He said
 that if Pakistan did not approve of the talks, it would have arrested the Taliban delegates to
 Qatar, just as it did with Mullah Baradar, a senior Taliban official, after he began secret
 talks with the Afghan government in 2010.




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TALIBAN - U.S. Talks With Taliban

  • 1. Taliban Have Begun Talks With U.S., Former Taliban Aides Say - NYTimes.com Page 1 of 2 Former Taliban Officials Say U.S. Talks Started By ALISSA J. RUBIN Published: January 28, 2012 KABUL, Afghanistan — Several Taliban negotiators have begun RECOMMEND meeting with American officials in Qatar, where they are discussing TWITTER preliminary trust-building measures, including a possible prisoner LINKEDIN transfer, several former Taliban officials said Saturday. SIGN IN TO E- MAIL Enlarge This Image The former officials said that four to PRINT eight Taliban representatives had REPRINTS traveled to Qatar from Pakistan to set SHARE up a political office for the exiled Afghan insurgent group. The comments suggested that the Musadeq Sadeq/Associated Press Taliban, who have not publicly said Marc Grossman, left, an American they would engage in peace talks to end the war in envoy, and the Afghan Deputy Foreign Minister Jawed Ludin. Afghanistan, were gearing up for preliminary discussions. American officials would not deny that meetings had taken Related place, and the discussions seemed to have at least the tacit Talks With Taliban a Long Way Off, American Envoy Says (January 23, approval of Pakistan, which has thwarted previous efforts 2012) by the Taliban to engage in talks. Connect With The Afghan government, which was initially angry that it Us on Twitter had been left out, has accepted the talks in principle but is Follow @nytimesworld for not directly involved, a potential snag in what could be a international historic development. breaking news and headlines. The former Taliban officials, interviewed Saturday in Kabul, Twitter List: Reporters and Editors were careful not to call the discussions peace talks. “Currently there are no peace talks going on,” said Maulavi Qalamuddin, the former minister of vice and virtue for the Taliban who is now a member of the High Peace Council here. “The only thing is the negotiations over release of Taliban prisoners from Guantánamo, which is still under discussion between both sides in Qatar. We also want to strengthen the talks so we can create an environment of trust for further talks in the future.” The State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland has said only that Marc Grossman, the Obama administration’s special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, had “a number of meetings” related to Afghanistan when he visited Qatar last week. The Taliban’s announcement this month that they would open an office in Qatar, which could allow for direct negotiations, drew fire from some Afghan factions as well as some American policy makers, who fear the insurgents would use negotiations as a ploy to gain legitimacy and then continue their efforts to reimpose an extremist Islamic state in Afghanistan. Mr. Grossman, at a news conference in Kabul last week, said that real peace talks could begin only after the Taliban renounced international terrorism and agreed to support a peace process to end the armed conflict. The Afghan government and the Qataris must also come to an agreement on the terms under which the Taliban will have an office. Mr. Grossman has been regularly briefing the Afghan government but Afghan officials have complained that they were being kept out of the loop. The Taliban officials now in Doha, Qatar, include a former secretary to the Taliban’s leader, Mullah Muhammad Omar, as well as several former officials of the Taliban government that ruled Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001, according to Mr. Qalamuddin and Arsala Rahmani, a former Taliban minister of higher education. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/29/world/asia/taliban-have-begun-talks-with-us-former-ta... 6/6/2012
  • 2. Taliban Have Begun Talks With U.S., Former Taliban Aides Say - NYTimes.com Page 2 of 2 The former Taliban officials here described fairly advanced discussions in Qatar about the transfer of prisoners. One former official, Syed Muhammad Akbar Agha, who had been a Taliban military commander, said that five Taliban prisoners were to be transferred in two phases, two or three in one group and then the remainder. There has also been discussion in Qatar of removing some Taliban members from NATO’s “kill or capture” lists, the former Taliban officials said. Mr. Grossman, in his comments last week, played down talk of detainee releases, saying the United States had not yet decided on the issue. “This is an issue of United States law first of all, that we have to meet the requirements of our law,” he said. He said the Obama administration would also consult with Congress. Under American law, the defense secretary must certify to Congress that the transfer of any Guantánamo prisoner to a foreign country would meet certain requirements, including that the country maintains control over its prisons and will not allow a transferred detainee to become a future threat to the United States. If any detainees were released, Western and Afghan officials said, they would likely be transferred to Qatar and held there, perhaps under house arrest. The former Taliban officials said that they were most surprised by Pakistan’s decision to allow the Taliban delegates to obtain travel documents and board a plane to Qatar. The former officials have long contended that Pakistan has obstructed talks. “This is a green light from Pakistan,” Mr. Rahmani said. Pakistan “definitely supported this and is also helping,” Mr. Qalamuddin added. He said that if Pakistan did not approve of the talks, it would have arrested the Taliban delegates to Qatar, just as it did with Mullah Baradar, a senior Taliban official, after he began secret talks with the Afghan government in 2010. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/29/world/asia/taliban-have-begun-talks-with-us-former-ta... 6/6/2012