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with Multiple
Pass-Through Entities
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5. Please chat in your hot buttons
on global cashflow.
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My plan for the webinar:
• Compare notes with others through polls
• Consider your Guidelines and take back a list
• Watch me walk-through three cashflow scenarios:
• Entity-only Cashflow with Margin and DCR
approach
• Global Cashflow (Business and Personal focus)
• Owner Cashflow (3 ways)
• Ask questions
My HOT buttons are:
• Double Counting by mixing up taxable income, actual cashflow and
cashflow available. (I guess that could be triple-counting!)
• Using 1040 Schedule E, Page Two figures for pass-through entities
• Using a formulaic, numbers-only approach without adding judgment
7. B&J Floors
Jan owns 25%
Ben owns 67%
Zac owns 8%
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8. Poll Question 1
What type of loans do you and your team
typically make? ( Choose all that apply)
1. Business (C&I)
2. Business (CRE)
3. AgLending – Production
4. Mortgage Lending
5. Consumer – Direct or Indirect
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9. Poll Question 2
What is your role? ( Choose one)
1. Loan Officer or Business Development Officer
2. Credit Analyst/Underwriter
3. Lending or Credit Manager
4. Senior Lending Officer
5. Something else
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10. Ben owns 67%
Zac owns 8%
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B&J Floors
Jan owns 25%
11. Poll Question 3
Business Lenders…who will guarantee your
loan? (Check all that apply)
1. 65% owner Ben
2. 25% owner Zoe
3. 10% owner Zac
4. All owners regardless of %
5. It depends on something else
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Note the results on your handouts
for later comparison.
12. Ben owns 67%
Zac owns 8%
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B&J Floors
Jan owns 25%
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Guideline Question
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15. 1120S
10401040
Jan owns 25% of B&J Floors Inc
Jan owns 100% of Odds N Ends Medical Clinic Inc
1120S
1120S
K-1OR OR
1120S
1120S
K-1
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16. Poll Question 4
Assume you are lending to B&J Floors and
require a guarantee from Jan. What returns do
your guidelines require? (Pick one.)
1. Odds N Ends 1120S
2. Jan’s K-1 from Odds N Ends 1120S
3. Both the Odds N Ends 1120S & the K-1
4. It depends…it might go either way.
5. I do not do business lending
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Guideline Question
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18. 1120S
10401040
Jan owns 100% of Odds N Ends Medical Clinic Inc
1120S
1120S
K-1OR OR 1120S
1120S
K-1
Hubby Dan owns 90% of Valley Vineyards LLC
Dan owns 10% of Donut Shop
1065
1065
K-1OR OR 1065
1065
K-1
1120S
K-1
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19. Poll Question 5
You are lending to B&J Floors and requiring a
guarantee from Jan who is married to Dan. What
additional returns do you need? (Pick one.)
1. Valley Vineyards 1065 and Donut K-1
2. Valley Vineyards K-1 and Donut K-1
3. Valley Vineyards 1065 & the K-1 from both
4. None of these choices
5. I do not do business lending
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20. 1120S
Jan owns 100% of Odds N Ends Medical Clinic Inc
1120S
1120S
K-1OR OR 1120S
1120S
K-1
Hubby Dan owns 90% of Valley Vineyards LLC
Dan owns 10% of Donut Shop
1065
1065
K-1OR OR 1065
1065
K-1
1120S
K-1
10401040
23. B&J Floors:
Borrower
Ben 67%
Jan
25%
100% Odds N
Ends Medical
Dan: 90% Valley
Vineyards
Dan: 10%
Donut Shop
Zac
8%
1040 1065 1065
K-1
1120S
K-1
1040
1120S
1040
1120S 1120S
K-1
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24. Jan and Dan
Borrower
Jan: 25%
B&J Floors
Jan: 100%
Odds N Ends
Medical
Dan: 90%
Valley Vineyards
Dan: 10%
Donut Shop
1040
1065 1065
K-1
1120S
K-1
1120S
1120S
1120S
K-1
1120S
K-1
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Guideline Question
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Guideline Question
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Questions on which tax
returns to require?
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28. It all starts with the Entity Return
Income Passes Through to the Owner
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30. Business Income is subject to
Social Security Tax.
1065
K-1
1040
A
B
D
E
Pass-throughs
Charitable contributions
Example: Net Capital Losses
limited to $3,000.
K-1
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33. Entity-Level Analysis of a Pass-
Through for Business Loan
Goal: Cashflow Available to Pay Debt using
DCR or Margin/Deficit
Guideline/Procedure Questions:
• What is our guideline for DCR or Margin?
• Do we worry about a deficit or low DCR
before doing the global?
Global Analysis of a Pass-Through for
Business Loan
Goal: Cashflow Available to Pay Debt using
DCR or Margin/Deficit
Guideline/Procedure Questions:
• Who will guarantee?
• If I do not require all owners to guarantee,
how to I get an accurate DCR?
• What if a guarantor is an owner in another
pass-through?
• For DCR analysis, what will I use for family
living expense?
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34. Poll Question 6
What is your approach regarding DCR?
1. We have a guideline at the entity level
2. We have a guideline at the global level
3. We use DCR but do not have a guideline
4. We do business loans but do not use DCR
5. This question does not apply to me
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Guideline Question
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Guideline Question
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37. Poll Question 7
When calculating DCR for Global CF, what do
you use to estimate family living expenses?
(Choose all that apply)
1. General guidelines or number in the home
2. Lifestyle of borrower (boats, planes, hobbies)
3. What it takes to make the loan work
4. AgLenders: Live on-farm or off-farm
5. This question does not apply to me
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38. Owner Analysis of a Pass-Through for a Personal Loan
Goal: Cashflow from the Entity to the Owner
Guideline/Procedure Questions:
How do I decide between actual and available cashflow?
Do I ever use Schedule E, Page 2 taxable income/loss?
Guarantor Analysis of a Pass-Through for a Business Loan
Goal: Cashflow from the Entity to the Owner
Guideline/Procedure Questions:
How do I decide between actual and available cashflow?
Do I ever use Schedule E, Page 2 taxable income/loss?
EntityK-1
1065 K-1 1040
E
Taxable Income
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39. Poll Question 8
When do you use taxable income from 1040
Schedule E, Page 2 for
owner/guarantor?(Choose all that apply)
1. When the pass-through entity is not obligated
2. When the owner has a low % ownership
3. When it is on the passive (left) side
4. I always do
5. Rarely or never
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Questions on deciding
between actual and
available cashflow for
owner/guarantor
analysis?
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Contact Information
& Additional
Resources
Resources
+ 20 Video Series on Pass-Through Entities
+ Recordings of and resources from this and
previous Sageworks Webinars
+ Global Tax Return Analysis Quick
Reference Guide
+ Red Flags and Green Lights in Tax
Returns: Extended Handouts
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43. Source +/- Item Amount
1065 Box L or 19 (Code A) PLUS Withdrawals
1065 Line 4 PLUS Guaranteed Payments
1065 Box L MINUS Capital Contributed
1120S 16 (Code D) PLUS Distributions
1120S 16 (Code E) PLUS Repayments on Loans
Equals Cash Paid to Owner
Owner Actual Cashflow from a pass-through
K-1
When you use this:
• You are lending to the owner of a pass-through
• You are calculating cashflow to a guarantor from another pass-through entity
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44. Poll Question 9
What cashflow from the business will you use for
personal cashflow?(Choose all that apply)
1. Rents paid to the owner
2. Loans made to the owner
3. Repayment of a loan from the owner
4. Payment on a note payable to the spouse
5. Distributions and guaranteed payments
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Assume all have been
recurring sources.
46. Actual Personal Cashflow
Source +/- Item Amount
1065 Box L or 19 (Code A) PLUS Withdrawals $25,910
1065 Line 4 PLUS Guaranteed Payments 30,000
1065 Box L MINUS Capital Contributed -0-
1120S 16 (Code D) PLUS Distributions
1120S 16 (Code E) PLUS Repayments on Loans
Equals Cash Paid to Owner $55,910
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48. 1120S K-1
Source +/- Item Amount
1065 Box L or 19 (Code A) PLUS Withdrawals
1065 Line 4 PLUS Guaranteed Payments
1065 Box L MINUS Capital Contributed
1120S 16 (Code D) PLUS Distributions 13,914
1120S 16 (Code E) PLUS Repayments on Loans
Equals Cash Paid to Owner $13,914
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Questions on what the
owner got paid?
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50. What can the company afford?
To cover debt or pay the owners
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51. $40,000 is the guaranteed payments to ALL partners.
Form 1065 Page One
40,000
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52. Form 1065 Page OneOwners pay taxes on both guaranteed
payments and ordinary business income.
65,961
52
53. Form 1065 Page One
65,961
Bottoms Up Analysis +/- Item Amount
1065 Line 22 PLUS Taxable Income $65,961
1065 Line 15 Add Interest Expense 1,451
1065 16a Add Depreciation 1,174
K (various lines) PLUS or
Minus
Interest, Rentals etc 150
M-1 (various lines) PLUS or
Minus
Disallowed meals, etc -135
Equals Cash Available to Pay Debt
and distributions to owners
$68,601
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54. Form 1065 Page One
Top Down Analysis +/- Item Amount
1065 Line 1 - 8 PLUS Revenue $207,139
1065 Line 21 Minus Expenses -141,178
K (various lines) PLUS or
Minus
Interest, Rentals etc 150
M-1 (various lines) PLUS or
Minus
Disallowed meals, etc -135
Net Profit $65,976
1065 15 Add Interest Expense 1,451
1065 16a Add Depreciation 1,174
Cash Available to Pay Debt
and distributions to owners
$68,601
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55. Form 1065 Page One
Net Profit $65,976
1065 15 Add Interest Expense 1,451
1065 16a Add Depreciation 1,174
Cash Available to Pay Debt
and distributions to owners
$68,601
Cashflow Available to pay Debt Cashflow Available to Pay Debt
68,601 Available $68,601
Distributions
Available for Debt
Debt
Margin
DCR
51,820 51,820
16,781 16,781
14,451 14,451
$2,330
1.17
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56. Poll Question 10
If you calculate DCR, what are you looking for?
(Choose all that apply)
1. 1.25 or less
2. More than 1.25
3. It depends on why it is low
4. It depends on loan-to-value
5. It depends on liquidity
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59. Bottoms Up
Analysis
+/- Item Amount
1120S Line 21 PLUS Taxable Income -22,870
1120S Line 13 Add Interest Expense 26,907
1120S 20 Add Depreciation 6,911
K (various lines) PLUS or
Minus
Interest, Rentals etc
M-1 (various lines) PLUS or
Minus
Disallowed meals, etc -623
Equals Cash Available to Pay
Debt and distributions
to owners
$10,325
Bad Debts
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61. B&J Floors:
Borrower
Ben 67%
Jan
25%
100% Odds N
Ends Medical
Dan: 90% Valley
Vineyards
Dan: 10%
Donut Shop
Zac
8%
1040 1065 1065
K-1
1120S
K-1
1040
1120S
1040
1120S 1120S
K-1
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62. Bottoms Up
Analysis
+/- Item Amount
1120S Line 21 PLUS Taxable Income -22,870
1120S Line 13 Add Interest Expense 26,907
1120S 20 Add Depreciation 6,911
K (various lines) PLUS or
Minus
Interest, Rentals etc
M-1 (various lines) PLUS or
Minus
Disallowed meals, etc -623
Equals Cash Available to Pay
Debt and distributions
to owners
$10,325
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63. Debt List Amount
B&J Floors Debt
Payments
$26,000
.
.
Total Debt Service
Personal Amount
Wages (including Scorp) $100,000
Capital Gains -0-
Schedule E Gtd Pmnts -0-
CF other than School Tools $100,000
Ben Personal Debt
payments
26,604
52,604
Global Amount
B&J Floors $10,325
Ben 100,000
Available from income 110,325
Less Family Living
Less Income Taxes
Available for Debt
Combined Debt
Global Margin
Global DCR
-40,000
-26,000
$44,325
52,604
-8,279
.84
Bottoms Up Analysis Item Amount
Cash Available to Pay Debt and distributions to owners $10,325
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64. The company paid out $20,892 in distributions
The company paid Ben $13,914 in distributions
If you are not requiring Jan or Zac to guarantee
you need to subtract the extra $6,978 from
company cashflow somewhere! I would do it in
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65. Jan and Dan
Borrower
Jan: 25%
School Tools
Jan: 100%
Odds N Ends
Medical
Dan: 90%
Valley Vineyards
Dan: 10%
Donut Shop
1040
1065 1065
K-1
1120S
K-1
1120S
1120S
1120S
K-1
1120S
K-1
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66. Bottoms Up
Analysis
+/- Item Amount
1120S Line 21 PLUS Taxable Income -22,870
1120S Line 13 Add Interest Expense 26,907
1120S 20 Add Depreciation 6,911
K (various lines) PLUS or
Minus
Interest, Rentals etc
M-1 (various lines) PLUS or
Minus
Disallowed meals, etc -623
Equals Cash Available to Pay
Debt and distributions
to owners
$10,325
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67. Bottoms Up Analysis Item Amount
Cash Available to Pay Debt and distributions to owners $10,325
Global Amount
B&J Floors X 25% $2,581
Odds N Ends X 100%
Jan
Available from income
Less Family Living
Less Income Taxes
Available for Debt
Combined Debt
Global Margin
Global DCR
-36,000
-26,000
$115,490
47,500
67,990
2.43
Personal Amount
Wages (including Scorp) $80,000
Alimony 30,000
Other -0-
CF other than Pass-Throughs $110,000
Debt List Amount
B&J Floors Debt
Payments X 25%
$6,500
Odds N Ends
Jan Personal
Total Debt Service 47,500
14,400
26,600
64,909
110,000
177,490
Odds N Ends
64,909
-14,400
$50,509
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Guideline Question
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Guideline Question
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75. $38,594
$24,999
Actual Additional
Cashflow to owner
50,509
Available Personal
Cashflow to owner
Paid taxes on her share of
taxable income.
Guidelines based on:
• Pattern
• % Ownership
Lenders consider:
• Guidelines
• Common Sense
• Judgment
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Steps for multiple
pass-through entities:
1. Diagram the relationships
1. Who is your borrower
2. Who must guarantee
3. Which returns do you need when
the owner/guarantor owns an
unrelated pass-through business
2. Obtain all required returns
3. Decide for each pass-through entity
other than the borrower which to use:
1. Actual cashflow from the K-1
2. Cashflow available to the owner
calculated from the full return
times the ownership %
4. When calculating 1040 cashflow, use
K-1 cashflow or entity share of
cashflow instead of any K-1 pass-
through items (Schedule E Page Two,
Schedule B, Schedule D, etc.)
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Done but not done!
Managers:
• Modify and communicate
guidelines to give clear but
flexible guidance.
• Check that your worksheet or
software counts, but does not
double-count, pass-through
entity cashflow in your global
calculations.
• Provide the recording of this
webinar and other resources
to your team.
• Work to help your lenders
and analysts move beyond
formulaic number-crunching
to insights and understanding
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Lenders and Analysts
1. Understand your guidelines
2. Review the webinar or other
resources
3. Request the 20-Video
Series and other resources
Done but not done!
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79. Poll Question 10
Additional Opportunities with Sageworks & Linda
Keith CPA
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80. Contact Information & Resources
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360.455.1569
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