SlideShare a Scribd company logo
PLAYING WITH FIRE



                                                                       by Jon Rodriguez




4L30E Pump Interchange                                  pressure and converter charge
                                                        issues.
                                                   2.   Torque converter clutch regulator
                                                        valve wear. The pulse width modu-
                                                        lated apply of the converter is con-
                                                        trolled through the converter clutch
                                                        regulator valve. You’ve probably



W
             elcome to the first edition
             of Playing with Fire. In this
             new series, we’re going to
cover the most common interchange
questions that we receive on the ATRA
HotLine.
     Interchange is an important subject
because of the risk verses reward factor
that comes into play. Sometimes a dif-
ferent style part can be less expensive,
more plentiful, and in some cases such
as this one, improve the durability
of the transmission. All of which can
make the job more profitable. The risk?
Virtually none… as long as you handle
the interchange correctly.
     In this edition we’re going to look
at how to use a two-valve, on/off-style
lockup pump in place of the four-valve,
PWM-style lockup pump in 2000-2004
Trooper and Axiom 4L30E transmis-
sions.
     There are two common reasons for
pump failure in the PWM-style pumps:
1. Pump gear and cavity wear. Any
     galling or clearances above 0.003”
     between the outer pump gear and
     pump body, or between the inner
     pump gear and crescent, aren’t
     acceptable. Using a pump with
     wear in these areas will reduce
     pump volume and cause line              Figure 1

4                                                                       GEARS July 2008
experienced code P1811 — trans-            3.5L engine.                                      The spring behind the TCC con-
    mission component slipping — in                 The other part of the system is the     trol valve applies 4.5 lbs at working
    both front- and rear-wheel drive           TCC solenoid. Since an on/off-style          height. With the valve’s signal land
    GM transmissions, and the 4L30E            lockup solenoid has a resistance of 18-      being 0.12”, it’ll take about 38 lbs of
    is no exception. The cause is wear         20 ohms and the PWM solenoid has a           signal oil to switch the valve.
    in the regulator valve bore, which         resistance of 9.5-10.5 ohms, always use           With the help of G&S Transmis-
    reduces clamping force on the deli-        the PWM style solenoid or the computer       sions in Garden Grove, CA, we moni-
    cate woven carbon converter clutch         will set code P1860 (TCC solenoid elec-      tored the TCC solenoid duty cycle in
    material.                                  trical circuit).                             a 2000 Trooper with the PWM-style
                                                    An important consideration is how       pump and converter. The computer
Parts Differences                              lockup will feel after the changeover.       started to signal the solenoid at about
     This isn’t going to be an in-depth        TCC apply will be firmer than it was         40 MPH, and quickly rose to 50% duty
look at the theory of both pumps.              with the PWM system. Always discuss          cycle. The duty cycle remained at 50%
Instead, we’re going to focus on how           this with the customer before the conver-    through third and fourth gears.
to identify the two systems’ parts, and        sion; don’t wait until you’re finished to
what you need to change. For those of          explain the difference. If you explain it
you who want the “whys” answered,              beforehand, the customer will expect the
we’ll discuss that at the end of this          difference and appreciate your efforts;
article.                                       waiting until later, your explanation
     CAUTION: Never attempt to cross           starts to sound more like an excuse for a
the bellhousing, pump plate, and pump          condition you weren’t expecting.
body. When making this conversion,
all three of these components must be          Why It Works
the non-PWM style. These components                 Figure 5 shows the differences in
are completely different; mismatching          the pump gasket area. The on/off pump
them will damage the transmission.             is missing the additional machining
Refer to figure 1 to identify the differ-      groove for the enable valve in the PWM
ent parts.                                     pump. This won’t affect gasket sealing
     The one part that can be modified         or hydraulic operation.
to work with either system is the input             The other difference is the addition
shaft. The fluid passages in both shafts       of a front seal drainback hole that leads
are identical (figure 2). The one differ-      straight to exhaust in the overdrive sec-
ence is the PWM-style shaft doesn’t            tion. This is actually a better design,
have an orifice check valve at the con-        because there’s less wormtrack area
verter end (figure 3). If possible, you        for crossleaks to allow pressure to get
should use the on/off-style shaft with         behind the front seal and cause front
the valve already installed, but if it isn’t   seal popout.
available, you can install a new valve              Now let’s look at the hydraulic
into the PWM shaft. The check valve is         operation: Figure 5 shows the TCC
the same as the one in a 4L60E and is          solenoid signal hole is in the identical
available from your transmission parts         location in both pumps. The difference
supplier.                                      is instead of the solenoid signal oil
     Never use a shaft without the             actuating the enable valve, the torque
valve; that will cause extremely firm          converter clutch control valve, and the
TCC apply and will damage the TCC              isolator valve, it now has only one
clutch material.                               responsibility: to shift the on/off con-
     One final difference involves the         verter clutch control valve to the apply                    Figure 2
torque converter itself: The PWM con-          position.
verter uses a woven carbon clutch; the
on/off style uses a standard paper clutch
(figure 4). Since we’re going to convert
lockup apply to an on/off style, there’s
no need to spend the extra money on
the woven carbon-style clutch. In fact,
the woven carbon is more delicate than
the paper, and could be damaged if used
with a firm, on/off apply. The paper
clutch style converter can be ordered
by using the Rodeo Application with a                                                 Figure 3

GEARS July 2008                                                                                                                  5
4L30E Pump Interchange
     50% is low,
because the freshly-
built transmission had
a solid lockup and the
computer saw that
the clutch was fully
engaged at 50%. The
computer will con-
tinue to increase the
duty cycle until the
slip drops below 50
RPM. On the PWM
application, the clutch
is designed to slip no                                                Figure 4
more than 50 RPM,
but usually slips under 5 RPM.             computer will only set code P1811          with the pump area.
     Second gear oil provides TCC          when the slip is between 250 and 800
solenoid feed; basically it’s mainline     RPM for seven seconds, and it has to            I hope you enjoyed this first edi-
pressure. Using our solenoid dyno in       occur three times in a row.                tion of Playing with Fire as much as
the shop, we found that at 90 PSI —             The other code is P0742 — TCC         I did researching and writing it. If you
which would be a light throttle cruising   stuck on. This code will only set if TCC   have an interchange question you’d like
pressure — it takes a 45% duty cycle       is commanded completely off and TCC        to see addressed here, drop us a line
to achieve 50 lbs of signal oil to the     slip is between –20 and 40 RPM for         and we’ll see about presenting it in a
actuating side of the TCC control valve.   two seconds, while throttle opening is     future issue.
That’s plenty of pressure for our 38-lb    above 20%. That isn’t a condition that          Until then, remember: If you’re
valve to stroke. Voila! Lockup. From       this modification should affect.           going to play with fire, make sure you
that point, as line goes up, the duty           That’s it. Lockup will work beau-     pay attention and know exactly what
cycle will need less signal to engage      tifully and line pressure will run the     you’re doing. That way you won’t get
lockup. That’s okay; we still end up       same as it did with the original pump.     burned!
with lockup fully applied.                 As always, good rebuilding practice             “A Special thanks to Raffi at ITC
     The computer has two codes for        dictates that all mating and mounting      of Fresno, CA for his help with this
lockup ratio problems, and duty cycle      surfaces be flat and torqued to specs.     article.”
isn’t involved with either one. The        You shouldn’t have any other problems




                                                          Figure 5

6                                                                                                           GEARS July 2008
The Choice is Simple.
         Genuine ZF.




                                                                                                     ZF 6-speed (6HP)
                                                                                                     automatic parts,
                                                                                                     kits and fluid
                                                                                                     now available!


800.451.2595
www.zf.com/na

         A quality product, a seamless installation, and a satisfied customer – the results of a genuine
         remanufacturing process and the reasons why ZF makes the choice simple when it comes to
         choosing a product that will exceed your customers’ expectations.

         Mile-for-mile, Genuine ZF remanufactured automatic and manual transmissions last longer,
         perform better, and are of greater value in the long run. Genuine ZF products are remanufactured
         by expert technicians to exact factory specifications, utilizing only genuine parts and exclusive
         testing technology.

         For a ZF Authorized Distributor in your area, visit www.zf.com/na.




                                                                        Driveline and Chassis Technology

More Related Content

What's hot

306337501 diagrama-eletrico-amarok-motor
306337501 diagrama-eletrico-amarok-motor306337501 diagrama-eletrico-amarok-motor
306337501 diagrama-eletrico-amarok-motornoturno_noturno
 
291 1 Cambio automatico 09G.pdf
291 1 Cambio automatico 09G.pdf291 1 Cambio automatico 09G.pdf
291 1 Cambio automatico 09G.pdfjcarrey
 
Cummins qsx 15 parts catalog
Cummins qsx 15 parts catalogCummins qsx 15 parts catalog
Cummins qsx 15 parts catalogArvind Negi
 
350 Motor TDI 3 0l V6.pdf
350 Motor TDI 3 0l V6.pdf350 Motor TDI 3 0l V6.pdf
350 Motor TDI 3 0l V6.pdfjcarrey
 
Curso_bombas_en_linea_ELI_1a_parte.pdf
Curso_bombas_en_linea_ELI_1a_parte.pdfCurso_bombas_en_linea_ELI_1a_parte.pdf
Curso_bombas_en_linea_ELI_1a_parte.pdfWilderAlex2
 
Yamaha t50 tr outboard service repair manual l 406850
Yamaha t50 tr outboard service repair manual l 406850 Yamaha t50 tr outboard service repair manual l 406850
Yamaha t50 tr outboard service repair manual l 406850 jkjsekmd
 
Manual despiece motor fiat diesel
Manual despiece motor fiat dieselManual despiece motor fiat diesel
Manual despiece motor fiat dieselMario Salas
 
Renault clio 1.0 16v D4D sincronismo do motor (correia ou corrente) procedime...
Renault clio 1.0 16v D4D sincronismo do motor (correia ou corrente) procedime...Renault clio 1.0 16v D4D sincronismo do motor (correia ou corrente) procedime...
Renault clio 1.0 16v D4D sincronismo do motor (correia ou corrente) procedime...RandoufoProcopio
 
Sensores de detonação
Sensores de detonaçãoSensores de detonação
Sensores de detonaçãoSergio Favaro
 
Tacoma, hilux motor 2.4 y 2.7 lts
Tacoma, hilux motor 2.4 y 2.7 ltsTacoma, hilux motor 2.4 y 2.7 lts
Tacoma, hilux motor 2.4 y 2.7 ltstumotormx
 
Manual fic eec iv cfi-monoponto
Manual fic eec iv cfi-monopontoManual fic eec iv cfi-monoponto
Manual fic eec iv cfi-monopontoAlcindo Moreira
 
Guia completo correias gates
Guia completo correias gates Guia completo correias gates
Guia completo correias gates Herlon Moitinho
 
Caja triptronic vw audi
Caja triptronic vw audiCaja triptronic vw audi
Caja triptronic vw audiJose Cespedes
 
Manual de-reparacao-gol
Manual de-reparacao-golManual de-reparacao-gol
Manual de-reparacao-golAdilson Amorim
 

What's hot (20)

306337501 diagrama-eletrico-amarok-motor
306337501 diagrama-eletrico-amarok-motor306337501 diagrama-eletrico-amarok-motor
306337501 diagrama-eletrico-amarok-motor
 
291 1 Cambio automatico 09G.pdf
291 1 Cambio automatico 09G.pdf291 1 Cambio automatico 09G.pdf
291 1 Cambio automatico 09G.pdf
 
Motor+1.6 l+zetec+rocam
Motor+1.6 l+zetec+rocamMotor+1.6 l+zetec+rocam
Motor+1.6 l+zetec+rocam
 
Cummins qsx 15 parts catalog
Cummins qsx 15 parts catalogCummins qsx 15 parts catalog
Cummins qsx 15 parts catalog
 
Ecu motronic
Ecu motronicEcu motronic
Ecu motronic
 
350 Motor TDI 3 0l V6.pdf
350 Motor TDI 3 0l V6.pdf350 Motor TDI 3 0l V6.pdf
350 Motor TDI 3 0l V6.pdf
 
Curso_bombas_en_linea_ELI_1a_parte.pdf
Curso_bombas_en_linea_ELI_1a_parte.pdfCurso_bombas_en_linea_ELI_1a_parte.pdf
Curso_bombas_en_linea_ELI_1a_parte.pdf
 
Sistema de refrigeración del motor HYUNDAI 14 97
Sistema de refrigeración del motor HYUNDAI 14 97Sistema de refrigeración del motor HYUNDAI 14 97
Sistema de refrigeración del motor HYUNDAI 14 97
 
Yamaha t50 tr outboard service repair manual l 406850
Yamaha t50 tr outboard service repair manual l 406850 Yamaha t50 tr outboard service repair manual l 406850
Yamaha t50 tr outboard service repair manual l 406850
 
Manual despiece motor fiat diesel
Manual despiece motor fiat dieselManual despiece motor fiat diesel
Manual despiece motor fiat diesel
 
Renault clio 1.0 16v D4D sincronismo do motor (correia ou corrente) procedime...
Renault clio 1.0 16v D4D sincronismo do motor (correia ou corrente) procedime...Renault clio 1.0 16v D4D sincronismo do motor (correia ou corrente) procedime...
Renault clio 1.0 16v D4D sincronismo do motor (correia ou corrente) procedime...
 
Sensores de detonação
Sensores de detonaçãoSensores de detonação
Sensores de detonação
 
Tacoma, hilux motor 2.4 y 2.7 lts
Tacoma, hilux motor 2.4 y 2.7 ltsTacoma, hilux motor 2.4 y 2.7 lts
Tacoma, hilux motor 2.4 y 2.7 lts
 
Lada niva Manual
Lada niva ManualLada niva Manual
Lada niva Manual
 
Manual fic eec iv cfi-monoponto
Manual fic eec iv cfi-monopontoManual fic eec iv cfi-monoponto
Manual fic eec iv cfi-monoponto
 
Guia completo correias gates
Guia completo correias gates Guia completo correias gates
Guia completo correias gates
 
Manual Volvo
Manual VolvoManual Volvo
Manual Volvo
 
Diseno del motor_mp8
Diseno del motor_mp8Diseno del motor_mp8
Diseno del motor_mp8
 
Caja triptronic vw audi
Caja triptronic vw audiCaja triptronic vw audi
Caja triptronic vw audi
 
Manual de-reparacao-gol
Manual de-reparacao-golManual de-reparacao-gol
Manual de-reparacao-gol
 

Similar to 4L30E Interchange

NTPC Ramagundam Station Blackout and Action Plan
NTPC Ramagundam Station Blackout and Action PlanNTPC Ramagundam Station Blackout and Action Plan
NTPC Ramagundam Station Blackout and Action PlanNTPC
 
Mag Switch Gears, Coimbatore, Switch Gear Equipment
Mag Switch Gears, Coimbatore, Switch Gear EquipmentMag Switch Gears, Coimbatore, Switch Gear Equipment
Mag Switch Gears, Coimbatore, Switch Gear EquipmentIndiaMART InterMESH Limited
 
Toyota 5 fbc20 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 5 fbc20 battery forklift service repair manualToyota 5 fbc20 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 5 fbc20 battery forklift service repair manualfhsjejkdmem
 
Toyota 30 5 fbch20 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbch20 battery forklift service repair manualToyota 30 5 fbch20 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbch20 battery forklift service repair manualfjjskmdmem
 
Toyota 5 fbc15 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 5 fbc15 battery forklift service repair manualToyota 5 fbc15 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 5 fbc15 battery forklift service repair manualfhsjejkdmem
 
Toyota 5 fbc28 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 5 fbc28 battery forklift service repair manualToyota 5 fbc28 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 5 fbc28 battery forklift service repair manualfhsjejkdmem
 
Toyota 30 5 fbc25 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbc25 battery forklift service repair manualToyota 30 5 fbc25 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbc25 battery forklift service repair manualfhsjekdmme
 
Toyota 30 5 fbc30 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbc30 battery forklift service repair manualToyota 30 5 fbc30 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbc30 battery forklift service repair manualfhsjekdmme
 
Toyota 30 5 fbc30 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbc30 battery forklift service repair manualToyota 30 5 fbc30 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbc30 battery forklift service repair manualfjjskmdmem
 
Toyota 30 5 fbc13 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbc13 battery forklift service repair manualToyota 30 5 fbc13 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbc13 battery forklift service repair manualdfjjsjkemmm
 
Toyota 5 fbc30 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 5 fbc30 battery forklift service repair manualToyota 5 fbc30 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 5 fbc30 battery forklift service repair manualfhsjejkdmem
 
Toyota 5 fbch25 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 5 fbch25 battery forklift service repair manualToyota 5 fbch25 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 5 fbch25 battery forklift service repair manualfjskekxcddmmme
 
Toyota 30 5 fbch25 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbch25 battery forklift service repair manualToyota 30 5 fbch25 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbch25 battery forklift service repair manualfhsjekdmme
 
Toyota 5 fbc18 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 5 fbc18 battery forklift service repair manualToyota 5 fbc18 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 5 fbc18 battery forklift service repair manualfhsjejkdmem
 
Toyota 30 5 fbc28 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbc28 battery forklift service repair manualToyota 30 5 fbc28 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbc28 battery forklift service repair manualfjjskmdmem
 
Toyota 30 5 fbc15 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbc15 battery forklift service repair manualToyota 30 5 fbc15 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbc15 battery forklift service repair manualdfjjsjkemmm
 
Toyota 30 5 fbc25 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbc25 battery forklift service repair manualToyota 30 5 fbc25 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbc25 battery forklift service repair manualfjjskmdmem
 
Toyota 5 fbc25 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 5 fbc25 battery forklift service repair manualToyota 5 fbc25 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 5 fbc25 battery forklift service repair manualfhsjejkdmem
 

Similar to 4L30E Interchange (20)

NTPC Ramagundam Station Blackout and Action Plan
NTPC Ramagundam Station Blackout and Action PlanNTPC Ramagundam Station Blackout and Action Plan
NTPC Ramagundam Station Blackout and Action Plan
 
Cvt trdg
Cvt trdgCvt trdg
Cvt trdg
 
Mag Switch Gears, Coimbatore, Switch Gear Equipment
Mag Switch Gears, Coimbatore, Switch Gear EquipmentMag Switch Gears, Coimbatore, Switch Gear Equipment
Mag Switch Gears, Coimbatore, Switch Gear Equipment
 
ELETRICO 924k.pdf
ELETRICO 924k.pdfELETRICO 924k.pdf
ELETRICO 924k.pdf
 
Toyota 5 fbc20 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 5 fbc20 battery forklift service repair manualToyota 5 fbc20 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 5 fbc20 battery forklift service repair manual
 
Toyota 30 5 fbch20 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbch20 battery forklift service repair manualToyota 30 5 fbch20 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbch20 battery forklift service repair manual
 
Toyota 5 fbc15 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 5 fbc15 battery forklift service repair manualToyota 5 fbc15 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 5 fbc15 battery forklift service repair manual
 
Toyota 5 fbc28 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 5 fbc28 battery forklift service repair manualToyota 5 fbc28 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 5 fbc28 battery forklift service repair manual
 
Toyota 30 5 fbc25 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbc25 battery forklift service repair manualToyota 30 5 fbc25 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbc25 battery forklift service repair manual
 
Toyota 30 5 fbc30 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbc30 battery forklift service repair manualToyota 30 5 fbc30 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbc30 battery forklift service repair manual
 
Toyota 30 5 fbc30 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbc30 battery forklift service repair manualToyota 30 5 fbc30 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbc30 battery forklift service repair manual
 
Toyota 30 5 fbc13 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbc13 battery forklift service repair manualToyota 30 5 fbc13 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbc13 battery forklift service repair manual
 
Toyota 5 fbc30 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 5 fbc30 battery forklift service repair manualToyota 5 fbc30 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 5 fbc30 battery forklift service repair manual
 
Toyota 5 fbch25 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 5 fbch25 battery forklift service repair manualToyota 5 fbch25 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 5 fbch25 battery forklift service repair manual
 
Toyota 30 5 fbch25 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbch25 battery forklift service repair manualToyota 30 5 fbch25 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbch25 battery forklift service repair manual
 
Toyota 5 fbc18 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 5 fbc18 battery forklift service repair manualToyota 5 fbc18 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 5 fbc18 battery forklift service repair manual
 
Toyota 30 5 fbc28 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbc28 battery forklift service repair manualToyota 30 5 fbc28 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbc28 battery forklift service repair manual
 
Toyota 30 5 fbc15 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbc15 battery forklift service repair manualToyota 30 5 fbc15 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbc15 battery forklift service repair manual
 
Toyota 30 5 fbc25 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbc25 battery forklift service repair manualToyota 30 5 fbc25 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 30 5 fbc25 battery forklift service repair manual
 
Toyota 5 fbc25 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 5 fbc25 battery forklift service repair manualToyota 5 fbc25 battery forklift service repair manual
Toyota 5 fbc25 battery forklift service repair manual
 

More from transmission_guy

Solenoid Performance Codes
Solenoid Performance CodesSolenoid Performance Codes
Solenoid Performance Codestransmission_guy
 
Building a 5 Volt Signal Generator
Building a 5 Volt Signal GeneratorBuilding a 5 Volt Signal Generator
Building a 5 Volt Signal Generatortransmission_guy
 
Understanding Toyota's Shift Solenoid Performance Codes
Understanding Toyota's Shift Solenoid Performance CodesUnderstanding Toyota's Shift Solenoid Performance Codes
Understanding Toyota's Shift Solenoid Performance Codestransmission_guy
 
Old and New Ford HD Transmission Mods
Old and New Ford HD Transmission ModsOld and New Ford HD Transmission Mods
Old and New Ford HD Transmission Modstransmission_guy
 

More from transmission_guy (8)

Peoples Transmission
Peoples TransmissionPeoples Transmission
Peoples Transmission
 
Solenoid Performance Codes
Solenoid Performance CodesSolenoid Performance Codes
Solenoid Performance Codes
 
Building a 5 Volt Signal Generator
Building a 5 Volt Signal GeneratorBuilding a 5 Volt Signal Generator
Building a 5 Volt Signal Generator
 
Understanding Toyota's Shift Solenoid Performance Codes
Understanding Toyota's Shift Solenoid Performance CodesUnderstanding Toyota's Shift Solenoid Performance Codes
Understanding Toyota's Shift Solenoid Performance Codes
 
Old and New Ford HD Transmission Mods
Old and New Ford HD Transmission ModsOld and New Ford HD Transmission Mods
Old and New Ford HD Transmission Mods
 
4R70W Interchange
4R70W Interchange4R70W Interchange
4R70W Interchange
 
Maintaining the Computer
Maintaining the ComputerMaintaining the Computer
Maintaining the Computer
 
A New Look at Standards
A New Look at StandardsA New Look at Standards
A New Look at Standards
 

Recently uploaded

Lookback Analysis
Lookback AnalysisLookback Analysis
Lookback AnalysisSafe PaaS
 
Business Valuation Principles for Entrepreneurs
Business Valuation Principles for EntrepreneursBusiness Valuation Principles for Entrepreneurs
Business Valuation Principles for EntrepreneursBen Wann
 
New Product Development.kjiy7ggbfdsddggo9lo
New Product Development.kjiy7ggbfdsddggo9loNew Product Development.kjiy7ggbfdsddggo9lo
New Product Development.kjiy7ggbfdsddggo9logalbokkahewagenitash
 
RMD24 | Retail media: hoe zet je dit in als je geen AH of Unilever bent? Heid...
RMD24 | Retail media: hoe zet je dit in als je geen AH of Unilever bent? Heid...RMD24 | Retail media: hoe zet je dit in als je geen AH of Unilever bent? Heid...
RMD24 | Retail media: hoe zet je dit in als je geen AH of Unilever bent? Heid...BBPMedia1
 
Cree_Rey_BrandIdentityKit.PDF_PersonalBd
Cree_Rey_BrandIdentityKit.PDF_PersonalBdCree_Rey_BrandIdentityKit.PDF_PersonalBd
Cree_Rey_BrandIdentityKit.PDF_PersonalBdcreerey
 
HR and Employment law update: May 2024.
HR and Employment law update:  May 2024.HR and Employment law update:  May 2024.
HR and Employment law update: May 2024.FelixPerez547899
 
Memorandum Of Association Constitution of Company.ppt
Memorandum Of Association Constitution of Company.pptMemorandum Of Association Constitution of Company.ppt
Memorandum Of Association Constitution of Company.pptseri bangash
 
Pitch Deck Teardown: RAW Dating App's $3M Angel deck
Pitch Deck Teardown: RAW Dating App's $3M Angel deckPitch Deck Teardown: RAW Dating App's $3M Angel deck
Pitch Deck Teardown: RAW Dating App's $3M Angel deckHajeJanKamps
 
IPTV Subscription UK: Your Guide to Choosing the Best Service
IPTV Subscription UK: Your Guide to Choosing the Best ServiceIPTV Subscription UK: Your Guide to Choosing the Best Service
IPTV Subscription UK: Your Guide to Choosing the Best ServiceDragon Dream Bar
 
Hyundai capital 2024 1quarter Earnings release
Hyundai capital 2024 1quarter Earnings releaseHyundai capital 2024 1quarter Earnings release
Hyundai capital 2024 1quarter Earnings releaseirhcs
 
RMD24 | Debunking the non-endemic revenue myth Marvin Vacquier Droop | First ...
RMD24 | Debunking the non-endemic revenue myth Marvin Vacquier Droop | First ...RMD24 | Debunking the non-endemic revenue myth Marvin Vacquier Droop | First ...
RMD24 | Debunking the non-endemic revenue myth Marvin Vacquier Droop | First ...BBPMedia1
 
BeMetals Presentation_May_22_2024 .pdf
BeMetals Presentation_May_22_2024   .pdfBeMetals Presentation_May_22_2024   .pdf
BeMetals Presentation_May_22_2024 .pdfDerekIwanaka1
 
G-Mica Wood Chip Particle board Table Design
G-Mica Wood Chip Particle board Table DesignG-Mica Wood Chip Particle board Table Design
G-Mica Wood Chip Particle board Table Designgmicaprelamdigital
 
Improving profitability for small business
Improving profitability for small businessImproving profitability for small business
Improving profitability for small businessBen Wann
 
anas about venice for grade 6f about venice
anas about venice for grade 6f about veniceanas about venice for grade 6f about venice
anas about venice for grade 6f about veniceanasabutalha2013
 
Maximizing Efficiency Migrating AccountEdge Data to QuickBooks.pdf
Maximizing Efficiency Migrating AccountEdge Data to QuickBooks.pdfMaximizing Efficiency Migrating AccountEdge Data to QuickBooks.pdf
Maximizing Efficiency Migrating AccountEdge Data to QuickBooks.pdfPaulBryant58
 
Global Interconnection Group Joint Venture[960] (1).pdf
Global Interconnection Group Joint Venture[960] (1).pdfGlobal Interconnection Group Joint Venture[960] (1).pdf
Global Interconnection Group Joint Venture[960] (1).pdfHenry Tapper
 
Transforming Max Life Insurance with PMaps Job-Fit Assessments- Case Study
Transforming Max Life Insurance with PMaps Job-Fit Assessments- Case StudyTransforming Max Life Insurance with PMaps Job-Fit Assessments- Case Study
Transforming Max Life Insurance with PMaps Job-Fit Assessments- Case StudyPMaps Assessments
 

Recently uploaded (20)

Lookback Analysis
Lookback AnalysisLookback Analysis
Lookback Analysis
 
Business Valuation Principles for Entrepreneurs
Business Valuation Principles for EntrepreneursBusiness Valuation Principles for Entrepreneurs
Business Valuation Principles for Entrepreneurs
 
New Product Development.kjiy7ggbfdsddggo9lo
New Product Development.kjiy7ggbfdsddggo9loNew Product Development.kjiy7ggbfdsddggo9lo
New Product Development.kjiy7ggbfdsddggo9lo
 
RMD24 | Retail media: hoe zet je dit in als je geen AH of Unilever bent? Heid...
RMD24 | Retail media: hoe zet je dit in als je geen AH of Unilever bent? Heid...RMD24 | Retail media: hoe zet je dit in als je geen AH of Unilever bent? Heid...
RMD24 | Retail media: hoe zet je dit in als je geen AH of Unilever bent? Heid...
 
Cree_Rey_BrandIdentityKit.PDF_PersonalBd
Cree_Rey_BrandIdentityKit.PDF_PersonalBdCree_Rey_BrandIdentityKit.PDF_PersonalBd
Cree_Rey_BrandIdentityKit.PDF_PersonalBd
 
HR and Employment law update: May 2024.
HR and Employment law update:  May 2024.HR and Employment law update:  May 2024.
HR and Employment law update: May 2024.
 
Sustainability: Balancing the Environment, Equity & Economy
Sustainability: Balancing the Environment, Equity & EconomySustainability: Balancing the Environment, Equity & Economy
Sustainability: Balancing the Environment, Equity & Economy
 
Memorandum Of Association Constitution of Company.ppt
Memorandum Of Association Constitution of Company.pptMemorandum Of Association Constitution of Company.ppt
Memorandum Of Association Constitution of Company.ppt
 
Pitch Deck Teardown: RAW Dating App's $3M Angel deck
Pitch Deck Teardown: RAW Dating App's $3M Angel deckPitch Deck Teardown: RAW Dating App's $3M Angel deck
Pitch Deck Teardown: RAW Dating App's $3M Angel deck
 
IPTV Subscription UK: Your Guide to Choosing the Best Service
IPTV Subscription UK: Your Guide to Choosing the Best ServiceIPTV Subscription UK: Your Guide to Choosing the Best Service
IPTV Subscription UK: Your Guide to Choosing the Best Service
 
Hyundai capital 2024 1quarter Earnings release
Hyundai capital 2024 1quarter Earnings releaseHyundai capital 2024 1quarter Earnings release
Hyundai capital 2024 1quarter Earnings release
 
RMD24 | Debunking the non-endemic revenue myth Marvin Vacquier Droop | First ...
RMD24 | Debunking the non-endemic revenue myth Marvin Vacquier Droop | First ...RMD24 | Debunking the non-endemic revenue myth Marvin Vacquier Droop | First ...
RMD24 | Debunking the non-endemic revenue myth Marvin Vacquier Droop | First ...
 
BeMetals Presentation_May_22_2024 .pdf
BeMetals Presentation_May_22_2024   .pdfBeMetals Presentation_May_22_2024   .pdf
BeMetals Presentation_May_22_2024 .pdf
 
G-Mica Wood Chip Particle board Table Design
G-Mica Wood Chip Particle board Table DesignG-Mica Wood Chip Particle board Table Design
G-Mica Wood Chip Particle board Table Design
 
Communicative rationality and the evolution of business ethics: corporate soc...
Communicative rationality and the evolution of business ethics: corporate soc...Communicative rationality and the evolution of business ethics: corporate soc...
Communicative rationality and the evolution of business ethics: corporate soc...
 
Improving profitability for small business
Improving profitability for small businessImproving profitability for small business
Improving profitability for small business
 
anas about venice for grade 6f about venice
anas about venice for grade 6f about veniceanas about venice for grade 6f about venice
anas about venice for grade 6f about venice
 
Maximizing Efficiency Migrating AccountEdge Data to QuickBooks.pdf
Maximizing Efficiency Migrating AccountEdge Data to QuickBooks.pdfMaximizing Efficiency Migrating AccountEdge Data to QuickBooks.pdf
Maximizing Efficiency Migrating AccountEdge Data to QuickBooks.pdf
 
Global Interconnection Group Joint Venture[960] (1).pdf
Global Interconnection Group Joint Venture[960] (1).pdfGlobal Interconnection Group Joint Venture[960] (1).pdf
Global Interconnection Group Joint Venture[960] (1).pdf
 
Transforming Max Life Insurance with PMaps Job-Fit Assessments- Case Study
Transforming Max Life Insurance with PMaps Job-Fit Assessments- Case StudyTransforming Max Life Insurance with PMaps Job-Fit Assessments- Case Study
Transforming Max Life Insurance with PMaps Job-Fit Assessments- Case Study
 

4L30E Interchange

  • 1. PLAYING WITH FIRE by Jon Rodriguez 4L30E Pump Interchange pressure and converter charge issues. 2. Torque converter clutch regulator valve wear. The pulse width modu- lated apply of the converter is con- trolled through the converter clutch regulator valve. You’ve probably W elcome to the first edition of Playing with Fire. In this new series, we’re going to cover the most common interchange questions that we receive on the ATRA HotLine. Interchange is an important subject because of the risk verses reward factor that comes into play. Sometimes a dif- ferent style part can be less expensive, more plentiful, and in some cases such as this one, improve the durability of the transmission. All of which can make the job more profitable. The risk? Virtually none… as long as you handle the interchange correctly. In this edition we’re going to look at how to use a two-valve, on/off-style lockup pump in place of the four-valve, PWM-style lockup pump in 2000-2004 Trooper and Axiom 4L30E transmis- sions. There are two common reasons for pump failure in the PWM-style pumps: 1. Pump gear and cavity wear. Any galling or clearances above 0.003” between the outer pump gear and pump body, or between the inner pump gear and crescent, aren’t acceptable. Using a pump with wear in these areas will reduce pump volume and cause line Figure 1 4 GEARS July 2008
  • 2. experienced code P1811 — trans- 3.5L engine. The spring behind the TCC con- mission component slipping — in The other part of the system is the trol valve applies 4.5 lbs at working both front- and rear-wheel drive TCC solenoid. Since an on/off-style height. With the valve’s signal land GM transmissions, and the 4L30E lockup solenoid has a resistance of 18- being 0.12”, it’ll take about 38 lbs of is no exception. The cause is wear 20 ohms and the PWM solenoid has a signal oil to switch the valve. in the regulator valve bore, which resistance of 9.5-10.5 ohms, always use With the help of G&S Transmis- reduces clamping force on the deli- the PWM style solenoid or the computer sions in Garden Grove, CA, we moni- cate woven carbon converter clutch will set code P1860 (TCC solenoid elec- tored the TCC solenoid duty cycle in material. trical circuit). a 2000 Trooper with the PWM-style An important consideration is how pump and converter. The computer Parts Differences lockup will feel after the changeover. started to signal the solenoid at about This isn’t going to be an in-depth TCC apply will be firmer than it was 40 MPH, and quickly rose to 50% duty look at the theory of both pumps. with the PWM system. Always discuss cycle. The duty cycle remained at 50% Instead, we’re going to focus on how this with the customer before the conver- through third and fourth gears. to identify the two systems’ parts, and sion; don’t wait until you’re finished to what you need to change. For those of explain the difference. If you explain it you who want the “whys” answered, beforehand, the customer will expect the we’ll discuss that at the end of this difference and appreciate your efforts; article. waiting until later, your explanation CAUTION: Never attempt to cross starts to sound more like an excuse for a the bellhousing, pump plate, and pump condition you weren’t expecting. body. When making this conversion, all three of these components must be Why It Works the non-PWM style. These components Figure 5 shows the differences in are completely different; mismatching the pump gasket area. The on/off pump them will damage the transmission. is missing the additional machining Refer to figure 1 to identify the differ- groove for the enable valve in the PWM ent parts. pump. This won’t affect gasket sealing The one part that can be modified or hydraulic operation. to work with either system is the input The other difference is the addition shaft. The fluid passages in both shafts of a front seal drainback hole that leads are identical (figure 2). The one differ- straight to exhaust in the overdrive sec- ence is the PWM-style shaft doesn’t tion. This is actually a better design, have an orifice check valve at the con- because there’s less wormtrack area verter end (figure 3). If possible, you for crossleaks to allow pressure to get should use the on/off-style shaft with behind the front seal and cause front the valve already installed, but if it isn’t seal popout. available, you can install a new valve Now let’s look at the hydraulic into the PWM shaft. The check valve is operation: Figure 5 shows the TCC the same as the one in a 4L60E and is solenoid signal hole is in the identical available from your transmission parts location in both pumps. The difference supplier. is instead of the solenoid signal oil Never use a shaft without the actuating the enable valve, the torque valve; that will cause extremely firm converter clutch control valve, and the TCC apply and will damage the TCC isolator valve, it now has only one clutch material. responsibility: to shift the on/off con- One final difference involves the verter clutch control valve to the apply Figure 2 torque converter itself: The PWM con- position. verter uses a woven carbon clutch; the on/off style uses a standard paper clutch (figure 4). Since we’re going to convert lockup apply to an on/off style, there’s no need to spend the extra money on the woven carbon-style clutch. In fact, the woven carbon is more delicate than the paper, and could be damaged if used with a firm, on/off apply. The paper clutch style converter can be ordered by using the Rodeo Application with a Figure 3 GEARS July 2008 5
  • 3. 4L30E Pump Interchange 50% is low, because the freshly- built transmission had a solid lockup and the computer saw that the clutch was fully engaged at 50%. The computer will con- tinue to increase the duty cycle until the slip drops below 50 RPM. On the PWM application, the clutch is designed to slip no Figure 4 more than 50 RPM, but usually slips under 5 RPM. computer will only set code P1811 with the pump area. Second gear oil provides TCC when the slip is between 250 and 800 solenoid feed; basically it’s mainline RPM for seven seconds, and it has to I hope you enjoyed this first edi- pressure. Using our solenoid dyno in occur three times in a row. tion of Playing with Fire as much as the shop, we found that at 90 PSI — The other code is P0742 — TCC I did researching and writing it. If you which would be a light throttle cruising stuck on. This code will only set if TCC have an interchange question you’d like pressure — it takes a 45% duty cycle is commanded completely off and TCC to see addressed here, drop us a line to achieve 50 lbs of signal oil to the slip is between –20 and 40 RPM for and we’ll see about presenting it in a actuating side of the TCC control valve. two seconds, while throttle opening is future issue. That’s plenty of pressure for our 38-lb above 20%. That isn’t a condition that Until then, remember: If you’re valve to stroke. Voila! Lockup. From this modification should affect. going to play with fire, make sure you that point, as line goes up, the duty That’s it. Lockup will work beau- pay attention and know exactly what cycle will need less signal to engage tifully and line pressure will run the you’re doing. That way you won’t get lockup. That’s okay; we still end up same as it did with the original pump. burned! with lockup fully applied. As always, good rebuilding practice “A Special thanks to Raffi at ITC The computer has two codes for dictates that all mating and mounting of Fresno, CA for his help with this lockup ratio problems, and duty cycle surfaces be flat and torqued to specs. article.” isn’t involved with either one. The You shouldn’t have any other problems Figure 5 6 GEARS July 2008
  • 4. The Choice is Simple. Genuine ZF. ZF 6-speed (6HP) automatic parts, kits and fluid now available! 800.451.2595 www.zf.com/na A quality product, a seamless installation, and a satisfied customer – the results of a genuine remanufacturing process and the reasons why ZF makes the choice simple when it comes to choosing a product that will exceed your customers’ expectations. Mile-for-mile, Genuine ZF remanufactured automatic and manual transmissions last longer, perform better, and are of greater value in the long run. Genuine ZF products are remanufactured by expert technicians to exact factory specifications, utilizing only genuine parts and exclusive testing technology. For a ZF Authorized Distributor in your area, visit www.zf.com/na. Driveline and Chassis Technology