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3. 19:30h | TELEDERMATOLOGÍA
Situación en diferentes Comunidades Autónomas.
Opciones en consulta pública y privada.
Posibilidades y desafíos.
Dr Guillermo Romero Aguilera
Servicio de Dermatología
Hospital General Universitario de Ciudad Real
SESCAM
4. 19:30h | TELEDERMATOLOGÍA
Situación en diferentes Comunidades Autónomas.
Opciones en consulta pública y privada.
Posibilidades y desafíos.
1. Qué es teledermatología: concepto/tipos
2. Situación en CCAA
3. Opciones privadas
4. Posibilidades y desafíos
SESCAM
5. 19:30h | TELEDERMATOLOGÍA
Situación en diferentes Comunidades Autónomas.
Opciones en consulta pública y privada.
Posibilidades y desafíos.
1. Qué es teledermatología: concepto/tipos
2. Situación en CCAA
3. Opciones privadas
4. Posibilidades y desafíos
SESCAM
12. 19:30h | TELEDERMATOLOGÍA
Situación en diferentes Comunidades Autónomas.
Opciones en consulta pública y privada.
Posibilidades y desafíos.
1. Qué es teledermatología: concepto/tipos
2. Situación en CCAA
3. Opciones privadas
4. Posibilidades y desafíos
SESCAM
13. Current Status of
Teledermatology in Spain
Dr Guillermo Romero , Dr Diego de Argila*
Departments of Dermatology
Hospital General Universitario de C. Real and Hospital
Universitario La Princesa* de Madrid
SESCAM
14. Introduction
• It’s no clear if teledermatology can be considered a
mature application 1.
• In fact it has been doubted his successful implantation
in some countries with a long tradition in TD 2.
• However, there are no longitudinal studies evaluating
its global development in a particular country.
1 Eminovic N et al Maturity of teledermatology evaluation research: a systematic literature review. Br J D 2007
2 English JS, Eedy DJ. Has teledermatology in the U.K. finally failed? Br J D 2007
15. Aims
• Current status of TD in Spain
– Organization
– Population & Pathology
– Adventages & Disadventages
• Development of Spanish TD in last 5 years
Objective: To analyze the degree of implementation of TD in Spain and the most important qualitative and quantitative characteristics of
functioning services. Theses include : organization, attended population, tecnology, teaching and researching, advantages and
disadventages.
We present the results of a comparative longitudinal study of two surveys conducted in 2009 and 2014 by the AEDV Image Group.
16. Methods
• Survey:
– Dr. Romero & Dr. de Argila. (Imaging group AEDV)
– Presentation letter
– National distribution Abbvie
• Description current results 2014
• Comparation with 2009 survey
The proposed access was different in the two surveys. In the first survey, in 2009, we have using a multi-pronged approach, we sought to identify
dermatologists practicing teledermatology in Spain. We contacted the members of AEDV Image Group to identify practicing teledermatologists in Spain. In
addition, we submitted a request via e-mail to dermatology department heads of the major hospitals in the country. We also demanded to the existing
teledermatologists to identify other practicing teledermatologists who might not have been captured with the above outreach efforts.
The approach in the second survey was holistic, integral, because using the Abbvit commercial net we could have contact with all dermatology services in the
country (267 services)
18. Methods
• Survey:
– Dr. Romero & Dr. de Argila. (Imaging group AEDV)
– Presentation letter
– National distribution Abbvie
• Description current results 2014
• Comparation with 2009 survey
The proposed access was different in the two surveys. In the first survey, in 2009, we have using a multi-pronged approach, we sought to identify
dermatologists practicing teledermatology in Spain. We contacted the members of AEDV Image Group to identify practicing teledermatologists in Spain. In
addition, we submitted a request via e-mail to dermatology department heads of the major hospitals in the country. We also demanded to the existing
teledermatologists to identify other practicing teledermatologists who might not have been captured with the above outreach efforts.
The approach in the second survey was holistic, integral, because using the Abbvit commercial net we could have contact with all dermatology services in the
country (267 services)
19. All 267 centers in Spain were accessed in
may 2014
•70 make TD (26%)
•45 filled a wide survey
•25 do not fill wide survey
64% agree to complete a wide survey ………
…and 36% don’t agree
20. Spanish centers with TD by autonomies 2009 vs 2014:
21 in 2009 / 70 in 2014
4/8
2/1
2/5
3/7
2/4
1/15
1/0
1/14
1/6
1/5 1/11/1
Increase >x3
Decrease in 2
Stable in 2
Increase in 9
Null in 5
1/2
0/1
21. Time service and survival over time
Time with TD
(years)
Centers
0-4 24
5-9 12
>10 5
5 With >10 years
Santiago 17
Don Benito 15
Badajoz 12
C-Real 10
Sevilla 10
17/21 active
Persist 14/17, 3 more Closed
2009
N= 41
RANGE 0.3 TO 17 MEDIAN 4.93
5
12
24
0
5
10
15
20
25
30
> 10 5-9 < 4
Years with TD
23. Tele-dermatologists / Hospital
N = 36 32%
37%
16%
5% 10%
Tele-Dermatologists
1
2
3
4
> 5
2009
18
43%
14
33%
10
24%
Dermatologist in Center
1-4
5-8
9-15
6
17%
15
41%
6
17%
3
8%
6
17%
Number of Teledermatologists
1
2
3
4
>5
24. Hours / Week
N = 43
12
56%
6
29%
2
10%
1
5%
0,5 a 2
2 a 5
5 a 10
>10
2009
16
39%
13
32%
8
19%
4
10%
0,5 a 2
2 a 5
5 a 10
>10
25. Time to do TD
8
38%
10
48%
3
14%
Specific time No specific time Other
2009
22
52%
13
31%
7
17%
With appointment list and
specific time for TD
No specific time “in breaks”
Other
26. Support with other labors in
Hospital
N = 42
9
21%
33
79%
Support Staff (nurses or other)
SI
NO
27. Data and Pictures
14
66%
2
10%
5
24%
DOCTOR NURSE MIXED
2009
34
79%
5
12%
4
9%
Who introduce the patient
data?
MEDICAL DOCTOR
NURSE
OTHER
33
70%
8
17%
6
13%
Who take the pictures?
MEDICAL DOCTOR
NURSE
OTHER
28. GP Centers
29% All kind, Near and far
centers, but only a %
-From 10 to 80%
-Media 45%
N=42
14%, only 6/42,
restricted to farest centers
22
52%
12
29%
6
14%
2
5%
Whole area
All kind but only a %
Only Farest
Specific types
52% Whole area,
without
restrictions
29. How far are the centers?
3
14%
10
47%
6
29%
2
10%
<30km 30-100km 100-1000km >1000km
2009
17
46%
16
43%
4
11%
Farest distance
<50 km
50-100km
>100 km
24
75%
5
16%
3
9%
Nearest distance
<25km
25-50km
>50km
N = 37
31. What kind of Tele-consultation?
14
67%
5
24%
2
9%
200935
83%
5
12%
2
5%
SF - TD
REAL TIME
HYBRID
2014
32. Tertiary TD
My Department makes
consultations to other
departments with TD
Other dermatologists make
consultations to my
Department with TD
0
0%
6
15%
35
85%
YES, USUALLY
SOMETIMES
NEVER
1
2% 5
12%
36
86%
YES, USUALLY
SOMETIMES
NEVER
N = 42
33. Pictures / Images
0
5
10
15
20
25
30
35
DIGITAL CAMERA
BRIDGE
DIGITAL CAMARA
HQ
DERMATOSCOPE MOBILE PHONE ECOGRAPH
CAPTURE DISPOSITIVES (GP)
DIGITAL CAMERA BRIDGE
DIGITAL CAMARA HQ
DERMATOSCOPE
MOBILE PHONE
ECOGRAPH
N = 41
(13 multiple)
34. Who design the TD system?
Public system:
Dermatologist & Informatics
HOSPITAL
WORKERS
(DERMATOLOGIST&
INFORMATICS), 23
IT COMPANY
ADAPTED , 12
IT COMPANY, 6
-IXEMAD
-SULIME
-BULL
-TELEFÓNICA
-CENTRICITY
-MED VIZER
- GENERAL ELECTRICS
Companies / Health Departments
- SERGAS
- DERCAM
- OSAKIDETZA
N = 41
Mixed: Software specifically
adapted
Commercial Software
36. What kind of software?
14%
28%
58%
Is it possible to explode the data?
NO
SI
NS/NC
29%
27%
44%
Free space to reply
Predederminated and
mandatory items
mixed
What kind of software?
26%
14%60%
Is it available a diagnosis
codification?
NO
YES
NS/NC
N = 41
37. TD system is linked with
electronic clinical history?
4
19%
17
81%
Si No
200928, 64%
14, 32%
2, 4%
YES
NO
NA
N = 44
38. Satisfaction with TD system
(by dermatologists)
1
2%
7
17%
34
81%
NS/NC
0-5
5-10
MEAN 7.15
40. SPECIFIC CONDITIONS FOR TD
Population targeted.
9
42%
9
43%
2
10%
1
5%
General Disperse Remote Prisons
2009
42%
31%
8%
8%
11%
General population
Geographic dispersion
Remote Population
Prisons
Nursing Homes
47. Main problems to implement TD systems
2
10%
8
37%
4
19%
2
10%
5
24%
HIS Primary Care Gerency Other None
2009
6
13%
3
7%
18
40%
3
7%
7
15%
4
9%
4
9% MEDICAL GERENCY
APPOINTMENT SERVICE
(HIS)
PRIMARY CARE
PATIENTS
DERMATOLOGY
DEPARTMENT
TECHNOLOGY
OTHERS
N = 36 (8multiple)
50. Adventages (dermatologist point of view)
Score 0 10
Main advantages of using the system TD
(qualify of 0-10, with 0 being strongly disagree, 10 Total agreement)
7.66 7.64
8.29
7.85
7.60
6.90
6.60
0.00
1.00
2.00
3.00
4.00
5.00
6.00
7.00
8.00
9.00
10.00
IMPROVE
COMMUNICATION
WITH GP
SCREENING OF
COMMON
DISEASES
PRIORIZATION IN
ONCOLOGY
PRIORIZATION OF
EMERGENCIES
SAVING VISITS
AND PATIENTS
TRAVELS
IMPROVE GP
TRAINING
IMPROVE GLOBAL
PATIENT
MANAGEMENT
51. DISADVENTAGES (dermatologist point of view)
Main disadvantages or problems using the TD system qualify of 0-10, with 0 being the
problem does not exist at all, 10 very serious and difficult problem to solve):
3.73
2.64
3.95
6.38
5.75
3.37
0.00
1.00
2.00
3.00
4.00
5.00
6.00
7.00
8.00
9.00
10.00
DIFFICULT
COORDINATION
WITH PRIMARY
CARE
LACK OF
DERMATOLOGISTS
COOPERATION
LACK OF GPs
COOPERATION
PICTURES WITH BAS
QUALITY
RISK OF MEDICAL
MISTAKE
TIME CONSUMING
52. Summary of results I:
Centers and organization.
• All Spain centers 267 were surveyed, 70 had TD (26.2%)
• Increase 21 to 70, x3 in 5 years (2009 2014)
• Progressive increase Time service: 59% <4a, 29% 5-9 a, 5 >10
años; Range 0.3-17 years, median 4.93y
• In 5 years 14/17 active centers survive from 2009, <20% have
been closed.
• In each serviceTD is a subunity, from 2009 there are an increase of
active dermatologists and TD hours by week.
• Only 20% with nurse participing, specific time for performance
increase from 38 to 52% in SC,
53. Summary of results II
Technology
• SFTD is the predominant technique and this primacy
continuous to increase (from 67 to 83%).
• 15% make Tele DSC, 13% use smart-phone, and 15% practice
tertiary TD.
• Software only 20% commercial no adapted, 60% design with
Dermatologist collaboration. Linked with e-HIS in 64% (only
19% in 2009);Codification <33%;
• Satisfaction with technology system 7.15 (mean) and only 20%
<5 (score 0-10)
54. • Attention to disperse/remote fall 53% in 2009 to 39% in 2014;
• Primary Care: only farest 15%, all type of centers 85%.
• More center are in Urban setting, 50% don’t assist any patient
>50km.
• Pathology: all type 60%, oncology 25%
• GP-Learning in 66%
Summary of results III
Objectives
55. Global satisfaction 6.3 in 2009 increase to 6.9 in 2014 (score 0-10)
>
Summary of results IV
Advantages & Disadvantages
56. 19:30h | TELEDERMATOLOGÍA
Situación en diferentes Comunidades Autónomas.
Opciones en consulta pública y privada.
Posibilidades y desafíos.
1. Qué es teledermatología: concepto/tipos
2. Situación en CCAA
3. Opciones privadas
4. Posibilidades y desafíos
SESCAM
63. 19:30h | TELEDERMATOLOGÍA
Situación en diferentes Comunidades Autónomas.
Opciones en consulta pública y privada.
Posibilidades y desafíos.
1. Qué es teledermatología: concepto/tipos
2. Situación en CCAA
3. Opciones privadas
4. Posibilidades y desafíos PREGUNTAS
SESCAM
Editor's Notes
Objective: To analyze the degree of implementation of TD in Spain and the most important qualitative and quantitative characteristics of functioning services. Theses include : organization, attended population, tecnology, teaching and researching, advantages and disadventages.
We present the results of a comparative longitudinal study of two surveys conducted in 2009 and 2014 by the AEDV Image Group.
The proposed access was different in the two surveys. In the first survey, in 2009, we have using a multi-pronged approach, we sought to identify dermatologists practicing teledermatology in Spain. We contacted the members of AEDV Image Group to identify practicing teledermatologists in Spain. In addition, we submitted a request via e-mail to dermatology department heads of the major hospitals in the country. We also demanded to the existing teledermatologists to identify other practicing teledermatologists who might not have been captured with the above outreach efforts.
The approach in the second survey was holistic, integral, because using the Abvit commercial net we could have contact with all dermatology services in the country (267 services)
The proposed access was different in the two surveys. In the first survey, in 2009, we have using a multi-pronged approach, we sought to identify dermatologists practicing teledermatology in Spain. We contacted the members of AEDV Image Group to identify practicing teledermatologists in Spain. In addition, we submitted a request via e-mail to dermatology department heads of the major hospitals in the country. We also demanded to the existing teledermatologists to identify other practicing teledermatologists who might not have been captured with the above outreach efforts.
The approach in the second survey was holistic, integral, because using the Abvit commercial net we could have contact with all dermatology services in the country (267 services)
25 que no contestan, solo 10 son hospitales terciarios barbastro, lleida, guadalajara, algorcon , gomez ulla, getafe, tenerife x2, cruces, arrixaca, resto son comarcales o clinicas d epequeño tamaño.
tendencia global es al incremento….>x3 pero mucho peso Cataluña y Galicia sugiere implantación masiva institucional.
Más del 60% abiertos en los últimos 4 años.
De los centros de 2009 persisten 17 de 21, cerraron 4 al menos
Ya hay 5 centros con gran experiencia de 10 o más años.
69% tenian 1 o 2 TD dermatologos en 2009 y ahora el 58%, se incrementa el número de TD en los Hospitales, o se incorporan hospitales
Es una subunidad especializada dentro del servicio
Work TD hours are increasing clearly, in active centers, <2h 56%in 2009 and only 37% in 2014; more than 5 hours increases from 15% to near 30%.
The organization is better now, there is specific time for performance only 38% in 2009 and 50% en 2014
Simplificar los gráficos
Escasa implicación de la enfermería, en menos del 25% de las TC, y papel que no está aumentando, la carga fdtal de trabajo en primaria recae en el medico
52 mas 29 % 81 % atienden centros cercanos y lejanos URBAN TD
No universalizado, se seleccionan centros que son más de un 33%
Near and far, only farest, NC y near and far se dividen en pocos y muchos centros….
Only 9% is for far centers more than 50 Km; and near 50% no assistance for patient >50km
Bajada del 24 al 12% se impone la SFTD
Un queso solo con las dos camaras: inferir hasta 100% gama bridge es el 72% y 28% gama alta;
Solo 15% Teledermoscopia y un 13% usan smartphones
Nadie manda ecografia
CRD cuaderno recogida de datos; El dermatólogo ha participado en el diseño de la plantilla especificando los items a recoger,
Integracion con HIS (Hospital Information System) and appointment system: there is a notorious increase from 19 to 64%; Informatized clinical history has a marked development.
Un quinto está descontento con el sistema,
Dispersa mas remoto 53% en 2009 y 39% 2014 ….
General 42% en 2009 y 42% 2014
Otros ¿? 2009 y 19% 2014
Decrease geographic dispersion and remote population, and increase nursisng home
Llamativo que 60% sea para pat general, y solo 27% oncologia solo.
Es un % alto para algo aparentemente novedoso
Es importante pq aumenta la rentabilidad del sistema (eficiencia) evita un 10-15% adicional de consultas preseniales
El 33% no hace e-learning, no lo usa con fines formativos , y el 71% si…. Se ve clara la utilidad, en 2009 era el 62%
Hay dos formas de training usando la propia teleconsulta (e-learning) y presencial en seminares y talleres,
Distribucion similar a 2009
No es uniforme, hay varios factores con peso similar
más peso
MAP (no reimbursement, no specific time) 40%
Gestion : direccion medica 13% y sis citacion/HIS 7% 20%
Derma 17%
Tecnología 9%
Otros 9%
Pacientes 7%
Es diferente de la satisfaccion con el sistema especifico de TD
URBAN TD coordinarse con primaria, mejorar su formacion, facilitar el acceso, priorizar urgencias, evitar derivaciones banales, ahorrar visitas presenciales (sobre todo de los que tienen dificultad de acceso)….
Para el dermatólogo el problema más importante es la calidad de la foto y el riesgo asociado de error en dx
Tambien se considera problemático pero menos : los problemas de coordinacion con MAP o dentro del propio servicio, y e tiempo necesario para el desmpeño
All health centers with dermatologist in Spain were visited, in all 267 , and 70 centers (26.2%) are working with TD systems.
Near to 60% have less than 4 years; 30% between 5 and 9 years, and 12% more than 10 years
There is a progressive increase in number. An increase 3 times from 2009 (21 to 70).
In 2009 only 4 from 21 (19%) have been closed, in these 5 years 14/17 active centers survive from 2009, <20% have been closed.
SFTD is the predominant technique and this primacy continuous to increase (from 67 to 83%). Real time and hybrid TD slowly decrease.
More centers use bridge cameras (80%) vs high quality equipments (<20%).
15% make Tele DSC, 13% use smart-phone, and 15% practice tertiary TD.
More system made with dermatologist collaboration (60%), are linked with HIS (64% vs only 19% in 2009) but only 33% use diagnostic codification
Satisfaction with technology system is high, 7.15 over 10, but improvement desirable