Face the Nation Transcripts December 28, 2014: Sullenberger, Bratton, Giuliani, Klain, Hillenbrand

Face the Nation Transcripts December 28, 2014:
Sullenberger, Bratton, Giuliani, Klain, Hillenbrand
(CBS News) Under is truly a transcript in the December 28, 2014 edition of Deal With your Nation.
guests included Deborah Patta, Chesley "Sully" Sullenberger, William Bratton, Rudy Giuliani, Ron
Klain, David Rohde, Robin Wright and also Laura Hillenbrand.
MAJOR GARRETT, HOST: I'm major Garrett. today on FACE THE NATION, breaking information
overnight: Yet Another passenger plane should go lacking inside Southeast Asia. We will have the
newest in Asia Air Flight 8501, an Airbus 320 flying to Singapore along with 162 individuals on
board that lost experience of air traffic manage following using off from Indonesia.
We will speak to Sully Sullenberger, which landed in which identical model regarding plane
miraculously on the Hudson River throughout 2009.
Plus, new York Metropolis mourns the actual death involving officer Rafael Ramos, killed on duty
final week although sitting inside his squad car, together with his partner. Since the actual town
braces for further anger as well as possible attacks from the police, what can end up being done to
ease tensions throughout The Huge Apple Town and across the country?
We will speak to William Bratton, the actual commissioner of the new York Town Police Department,
as well as former new York city Mayor Rudy Giuliani.
And we are certain to get an update on the nation's Ebola preparedness together with President
Obama's Ebola coordinator, Ron Klain.
All that, additionally Bob Schieffer's interview together with Laura Hillenbrand, author with the
bestselling guide "Unbroken," the tale of Louis Zamperini, an Olympic runner which survived a new
world War II plane crash, invested 47 times lost from sea, along with ended up being captured
tortured for two years in a Japanese prison camp. "Unbroken" is now any significant motion picture.
As Well As Hillenbrand lets us know how your ex battle having a uncommon disease really assisted
your ex compose Zamperini's story.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
LAURA HILLENBRAND, AUTHOR, "UNBROKEN": Whenever he had been talking about really
suffering, I knew one thing in what that felt like. And I Also feel it enabled him to open up.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GARRETT: Plus, we are generally likely to finish 2014 using a particular appear back at 60
numerous years of news on FACE THE NATION.
Good morning. Bob will be off today.
We start out with breaking news. Rescue crews are looking to have an airplane that's been lost more
than water within Southeast Asia.
Debora Patta is within London with just about all the latest.

DEBORA PATTA, CBS NEWS CORRESPONDENT: good morning. This is what we know consequently
far.
The plane ended up being flying through Surabaya throughout Indonesia in order to Singapore.
Now, that's an outing which typically takes about a pair of hours. However about 40 minutes in to be
able to the flight, the particular pilot motivated to adjust routes. He wanted to turn left and also fly
in a higher altitude for you to steer clear of clouds. In Which ended up being the last experience of
air targeted traffic control.
Severe weather along with violent thunderstorms were reported inside the area precisely at this
time. There had been 162 folks in board, 17 of these children, any total associated with 6 distinct
nationalities, none of which American. Authorities throughout Singapore and also Indonesia right
away launched air research along with rescue operations.
And Malaysia offers pledged its assistance, but these were referred to as off a couple of hours back
and can resume inside the morning nearby time. Inside both countries, distressed family along with
friends gathered to maintain back pertaining to news associated with his or her loved ones. There is
obviously an awful sensation involving familiarity regarding all of this.
The yr kicked off with all the to date unexplained disappearance regarding Malaysia Airlines Flight
370 in March. Then yet another Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 ended up being shot down more than
rebel-held Eastern Ukraine, and now this, AirAsia 8501 even now missing, any grim end from what
has been a very rough year with regard to Asian air travel.
GARRETT: Debora Patta in London, thank you very much.
For more, we flip now to Sully Sullenberger, captain of the miracle about the Hudson. He's now the
CBS Information aviation and safety expert and which he joins us coming from Reno, Nevada.
Captain Sullenberger, what would you model of what we all know up for you to now with regards to
fate of this aircraft, its passengers and also crew?
CAPT. CHESLEY "SULLY" SULLENBERGER, CBS NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Major, great morning.
Not much is well known at this point. This really is certainly one of several aircraft who have gone
lacking more than h2o recently. So, the investigators will commence to organize their own first
investigation. They Will will commence to secure any recordings, air targeted traffic control, radar
information, communications using the flight, to test just just as much as possible in order to narrow
your search, to end up being able to as rapidly as anyone can find the airplane and, regarding
course, recover your cockpit voice recorder and furthermore the digital flight information recorder.
GARRETT: Captain, is this any rescue operation or simply just a new recovery operation in every
likelihood?
SULLENBERGER: From this point, we do not know.
What we do understand pertaining to sure is usually that your airplane through now obviously would
have exhausted its full gas provide could have reached the actual surface of the earth. We don't
know in which as well as in what shape.
GARRETT: As Well As something concerning this corridor or perhaps the pilot's request to divert

since involving cloud concerns or perhaps weather conditions that tell us anything we ought to pay
specifically shut interest to?
SULLENBERGER: It's not really unusual for pilot in order to request the deviation in order to avoid
severe weather. We have no idea only with that point simply how much of an extent weather played
on this case. Numerous with the investigators -- the particular investigators will be considering
many factors in regards to end up being able to the flight, including the weather, the training the
pilots got, the constant maintenance status the airplane along together with other areas.
GARRETT: A Person know this plane well. Something in particular regarding its abilities, capabilities
in which will be fascinating or even important to consider since this story moves forward?
SULLENBERGER: This airplane is utilized widely round the world, over 3,000 within service around
the globe currently.
I possess regarding 5,000 hours about the type. These kinds of pilots were experienced within the
type. So, we are likely to see exactly where this investigation goes once we have more facts. Yet
nothing really stands apart at this point.
GARRETT: and the actual next huge cycle associated with this investigation is going to be attempt to
find the recorders after which interview those connected with this certain flight, correct?
SULLENBERGER: everyone connected to this flight, the folks whom trained the actual pilots, the
folks who have flown with just about all the pilots recently, any person who has maintained the
particular airplane, what sort of training your pilots get gotten. Almost All these items will be a new
concentrate regarding this investigation.
GARRETT: Presently there is, I don't have to tell you, Captain Sullenberger, the group of events on
this particular part of the entire world together with commercial aviation. Coincidence something
just like that more alarming potentially?
SULLENBERGER: From this point, these people seem being just coincidence. There's no indication
in which something specially uncommon has been the situation on this flight. We will see once we
have more information.
GARRETT: Captain Sullenberger, thanks greatly regarding joining us via Reno on this breaking news
sorry. We appreciate it really much.
Now we flip for the other large story, an additional sad chapter involving the continued national
conversation about race, justice and also police brutality, your funeral for The Large Apple Town
police officer Rafael Ramos within Queens yesterday. Tens involving 1000s of police as well as well-
wishers turned out, many vacationing through across the nation to honor the particular fallen
officers.
But the backlash against Ny Area Mayor Bill de Blasio continued, as officers turned their backs to
become able to him like a display involving disrespect when he spoke. both officer Ramos and the
partner, Wenjian Liu, whose funeral arrangements get not necessarily yet been finalized, were
promoted posthumously in order to first-grade detective by new York Area Police Commissioner
William Bratton, that addressed the actual divide in between police and also protesters upset with
regards to recent cases regarding police brutality.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) WILLIAM BRATTON, NEW YORK CITY POLICE COMMISSIONER: If we are
usually able to figure out how to notice every other, for you to observe that our cops tend to be
people, just like officer Ramos as well as officer Liu, for you to see that our communities are
generally filled with people just like them too, if we can learn how to notice each other, then
whenever we observe each and every other, we will heal.
We will heal like a department. We will heal as being a city. We will heal like a country. As Well As
wouldn't which be the ultimate, the actual ultimate for you to honor the actual officers Ramos along
with Liu?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GARRETT: Joined now by Commissioner Bratton in the Ny Area Police Department.
Commissioner Bratton, thanks quite definitely with regard to becoming a member of us in FACE
THE NATION.
Two quick concerns off the top. How safe are usually the The big Apple Town cops and what's their
particular degree of morale?
BRATTON: Officer safety is always a premier priority in virtually any police agency. And Also
certainly here in New York, it's heading to remain in which way.
We are generally investigating over 50 incidents associated with reported threats against our
officers since the actual death involving both regarding these officers weekly ago. We have got
closed out greater than 1 / 2 of them, using nine arrests being made. and will still investigate the
others. Officer safety is always great concern. Along With we happen to be issuing advisories for you
to our officers, reminding them constantly to become about his or her -- on the alert, should you will,
pertaining to prospective dangers that may be directed against them.
(CROSSTALK)
GARRETT: Commissioner, can it really feel less hazardous now laptop or perhaps computer did
within the immediate aftermath of the slaying of individuals two officers?
BRATTON: Policing is always such a profession which is going to have got possible danger. that will
be the reality regarding it. That's reflected in the bravery that our officers exhibit each day going in
for you to the streets as well as communities associated with this country, where, unfortunately, a
fourth issue -- you referenced three in your introductory remarks. The fourth issue we want to be
extremely cognizant regarding may end up being the anger as well as the hatred as well as the
violence directed against our police officers that all http://www.southeastasiatravel.com/ year will
take much more one hundred of their own lives. So, I think we need to broaden the conversation to
always be able to include the dangers becoming directed against these also.
GARRETT: And Also an individual were planning to speak about morale. Quickly, how may become
the morale of your officers in this really tense time?
BRATTON: Morale inside the department at this time -- morale in the department in now is low.
There's zero getting around that, that that can be the reality. As Well As it's reduced with regard to
multiplicity of reasons, including contract negotiations. There's a lot likely about that's particular in
order to The big Apple City, that is separate and apart from the national discussions around issues

regarding race as well as police.
GARRETT: In case an individual were to try to set a share in it, which is the bigger a part of the
particular morale problem, this national conversation, this national sense which police are usually
somehow inside the wrong, as well as these underlying, classical beefs between your union, the
actual mayor's workplace as well as Town Hall?
BRATTON: I consider it might end up being really difficult to make an effort to break it that will way,
in the event you will, in a share basis.
I consider all those factors contribute from what reaches this time in the department reduced
morale. but what I would explain is the professionalism of these officers whom each day are
venturing out there, continuing to cut back crime. This specific 12 months will probably be any
historic year for your department, the cheapest crime rates ever, continuing a 21-year unbroken
trend which began back again inside the 1990s.
It's in addition the idea that inside the encounter of all these demonstrations, these people are
already showing remarkable expert restraint, when http://www.travelfish.org/travel-videos.php a lot
with the invective is actually directed straight against them, personally against these also.
GARRETT: Do you believe Mayor de Blasio ought for you to do more and also needs for you to have
done a lot more to end up being able to offer everything you just referred for you to as invective
directed at your current officers?
BRATTON: I invest any lot of occasion using this mayor. And Also Mayor de Blasio will be totally
supportive regarding his personnel, this department.
I have received a large choice of an extraordinary range of extra us dollars away from budget this
year, the lot of it focused on officer safety enhancements, extra training, additional equipment,
additional technology. By Simply the conclusion regarding 2015, we is planning to be the most
advanced police department throughout America in terms of technology, technologies which usually
is planning to be extraordinarily advantageous for the safety in our officers, $35 million becoming
focused on coaching enhancements, tactical abilities enhancements.
No, this can be a mayor in which cares extremely deeply about new York Area police officers, cares
very deeply in regards to the divide inside the metropolis as involving this time, and it is working
very tough to heal that will divide.
GARRETT: Yet your own officers -- some of one's officers yesterday turned their backs if the mayor
spoke, when they saw him about the video screen outside Rafael Ramos's funeral.
Was in which necessary? Has Been that will something anyone support? Along With can that indicate
the mayor, regarding whatever he's put around the table financially, requirements to accomplish
more to communicate much more clearly his rhetorical assistance to your police officers?
BRATTON: I certainly don't support which action yesterday. I feel it had been extremely
inappropriate at this event. Which funeral has been held for you to honor officer Ramos. As Well As
for you to deliver politics, to end up being able to bring problems in to that will event, I think, has
been really inappropriate. And that I do certainly not assistance it. He may become the mayor
associated with New York. He had been there representing your citizens associated with Ny to
express their particular remorse in inclusion in order to their regret at that death.

And it absolutely was inappropriate. As Well As with the same time, it is reflective, unfortunately,
associated with the sentiments regarding a quantity of of our officers that -- only in that juncture
regarding not just your mayor, however I take directly into consideration some involving the many
issues that are afflicting this town in this time and additionally this certain police department.
GARRETT: Police Commissioner William Bratton, thanks a lot for becoming the member of us. I
know you and your current department provide an enormous New Year's Eve to be able to prepare
for. We wish anyone all involving the greatest associated with luck together with that. Along With we
thank you greatly pertaining to joining us this morning.
BRATTON: Thank you.
GARRETT: We flip now to the former Mayor associated with new York Area Rudy Giuliani, who can
additionally be together with us through New York.
Mr. Mayor, great morning.
RUDY GIULIANI (R), FORMER MAYOR OF NEW YORK: Great morning, Major. How are usually you?
GARRETT: Good.
Let's distinct one thing up. you stated awhile back that President Obama contributed to a rhetorical
atmosphere with regards to hating American police. Along With "The Washington Post" fact-checked
anyone on that. I cover your president every single day. I get by no means detected anything that
arrives across the range involving propaganda urging the country in order to hate police. Carry out
you need to recast that or perhaps just take in which back?
GIULIANI: Oh, not in all.
I feel you missed 1 extremely important point. He has received Al Sharpton towards the White house
80, 85 times. Often, when he's talking about police issues, he offers Al Sharpton sitting next to
become able to him. If you would such as to get poster boy with regard to hating the particular
police, it's Al Sharpton.
You make Al Sharpton a near adviser, you are usually likely to turn the authorities throughout
America against you. You're likely to tell the authorities within America, we hardly understand you. I
saw this man assist cause riots in New York. I have heard his anti-police invective firsthand. To
Become Able To use a man whom hasn't paid out $4 million in taxes, use a man that has expended
his career helping to create riots, phony stories concerning police, to get in which man sitting next
for you speaks volumes.
You know, actions converse louder compared to words. you put Al Sharpton subsequent in order to
you, you merely told everyone, I'm against the police.
GARRETT: Yet what concerning the president's rhetoric itself? Perform you'll still believe the
president's rhetoric, not...
(CROSSTALK)
GIULIANI: His rhetoric...

GARRETT: Go ahead.
GIULIANI: Well, look, which team you associate with is actually a part of your rhetoric.
If I has been talking to an individual personally regarding ending the actual mafia, as I did within the
1980s, as asia travel el nido well as fighting your mafia, along with I had Joe Colombo sitting next to
me, you'll say I ended up being a big hypocrite, wouldn't you? This wouldn't issue what my rhetoric
was. Oh, I'm fighting your mafia. There's Joe Colombo.
I'm for your police there is Al Sharpton? every cop in America is planning to say, give me any break.
I have the point, Mr. President. His interference inside the Gates affair, the fact which he pays
fantastic awareness of these so-called racial incidents, many regarding which usually are usually not
racial incidents, sends representatives in order to funerals of men along with women who get been
killed inside the commission regarding committing a new crime, along with I haven't heard him
create very strong comments concerning the deaths regarding Ramos and also Liu to which
particular extent.
So, I consider the "Washington Post" fact-checking was substantially inaccurate. As Well As that they
missed the major one large point, Al Sharpton.
GARRETT: Interesting.
Mr. Mayor, once you had been mayor, a person had your very own personal beefs using the The
Large Apple Town police. Presently there had been times when they turned his or her backs in you.
Can Be there some thing different, fundamentally different relating for you to this relationship
among Mayor de Blasio along with yours?
GIULIANI: Never, in absolutely no way -- I had disagreements with almost all the police. We had 2
zeros, 3, 4, 5 percent increase. I had these sometimes chanting double zeros for heroes. In
Absolutely No Way had law enforcement turn their own backs on me.
And I never had a concern with regards to policing with them. The Particular reality is, your mayor
in the capital involving scotland- Ny should certainly not be blamed for the murder of individuals
police officers. That Will issue shouldn't happen to always be able to be injected. It's wrong. I
informed the mayor which yesterday. and I don't assistance that. So, I want to be distinct upon that.
Number two, the mayor isn't within any way to be handled with people turning their backs. It is
irrelevant if you like the mayor or you never such as the mayor. A Person need to respect the
particular mayor's position. I don't assistance that.
But I do believe Mayor de Blasio must apologize towards the new York city Police Department. I said
hello day one. And That Will I feel however understand this over with if he would it. I have got
needed to apologize for items that I get stated that have been wrong.
He produced an impression using the police. I don't know which he desired to do it. He possibly
didn't. However he developed an impression using the police he ended up being about the side with
the protesters. Now, one particular protesters were entirely legitimate. but some regarding those
protesters had been horrible, yelling kill the police, kill the police, eliminating the police.
I don't at just about any time remember protests exactly where people were yelling kill the police
since your 1960s and also '70s. He should have apologized for that remarks he created that gave law

enforcement your impression that he's about another side.
And, through the way, he could shed Al Sharpton also.
GARRETT: Interesting.
Mr. Mayor...
GIULIANI: Sharpton -- when Sharpton pays the $4 million he owes the federal government, maybe
he should be allowed to sit next to a mayor or possibly a governor, as well as when Sharpton
apologizes to always be able to police regarding every one associated with the occasions which he
provides maligned them, produced false costs against them, helped trigger your Crown Heights riot,
ruin a new man's career more than Tawana Brawley, who happened to be within law enforcement.
When he loses Al Sharpton, maybe he then may possess far better any relationship with almost all
the new York Area Police Department. These are generally the items in the mayor's control. Now,
gets the union gone overboard? Yes, using this indisputable fact that he's responsible for that
murder. That's an awful thing in order to suggest about a mayor.
I'm positive Mayor de Blasio's heart can be broken more than these police officers. And I Am giving
this guidance throughout excellent faith. This isn't political. This is actually being a former mayor.
Mayor de Blasio, please say you're sorry for them regarding using a produced misconception
regarding them.
You do develop a misconception involving them. Say you're sorry. Say anyone didn't realize. Say
anyone didn't recognize you've a nonwhite police department inside regards to majority. This
specific is a police department, as Commissioner Bratton knows, and has helped to generate in the
extremely beginning, when he had been my police commissioner, this is a police department which
includes everybody. There isn't any vast majority in the new York city Police Department.
(CROSSTALK)
GARRETT: Mr. Mayor, thanks quite definitely for your period this morning.
GIULIANI: Thank you.
GARRETT: Along With we is planning to be again in a minute.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GARRETT: We turn now to among the largest stories with the year, Ebola, which usually will
continue to ravage parts West Africa, exactly where a lot more than 7,600 people have died along
with more than 19,000 get contracted your deadly disease or perhaps frequently deadly disease.
Generally there happen for you to be zero new cases reported in the U.S. throughout September,
when Thomas Eric Duncan died inside a Dallas hospital and any couple nurses treating him
contracted Ebola, spreading concern more than this country's ability to handle an outbreak.
In October, President Obama appointed former White house aide Ron Klain because the nation's
very first Ebola czar.
And we welcome Ron Klain to FACE THE NATION this morning.

Ron, it's excellent to determine you.
RON KLAIN, WHITE HOUSE EBOLA RESPONSE COORDINATOR: Thanks pertaining to having me,
Major.
GARRETT: This week, we had an event from CDC. Somebody might are already exposed to live Ebola
virus. Just what are anyone able to tell regarding that? As Well As was this a rather significant botch
awfully late within the game?
KLAIN: Well, it's obviously unacceptable to have any kind of mishandling involving Ebola materials.
Dr. Frieden, your director associated with CDC, offers promised an entire review along along with a
report inside 4 weeks. but I also believe it is important to maintain this inside context. First
regarding all, thanks to the additional protocols along with procedures inside place, there was no
danger towards the public, zero danger to the CDC campus generally. only 1 technician had been
exposed. Thus far, she's showing simply no signs as well as signs of obtaining the disease. She's
getting monitored each as well as every day.
I visited this lab about the CDC campus within October. These People happen for you to be studying
Ebola there for two decades with out single incident. That They possess processed greater than
10,000 examples during this present crisis. That They get saved a significant amount of lives. the
CDC is really a national treasure. people around the entire world appear to us pertaining to
leadership, for your sort of leadership these people provided on the Ebola response. The Particular
American folks ought for you to be very proud regarding the task that's becoming done within
Atlanta by Dr. Frieden and furthermore the team at the CDC.
GARRETT: also this week, your food as well as Drug Administration gave emergency approval to
some blood test kit. How significant can be that? I possess study a lot of literature that if you test
and can do that on website along with separate populations infected from individuals not infected,
you are usually in a position to make a large difference.
KLAIN: Yes. It's a really significant step.
Fighting the disease in West Africa, there's a new limitation regarding lab resources. Transporting
these specimens via the spot exactly where the patients are likely to where the labs are usually can
be a big challenge. being in a situation to possess a point- of-care test where someone could rapidly
become ruled in as well as ruled out for Ebola will truly help isolate the Ebola patients, keep them
away from those who aren't sick, and really speed the job of having those people isolated, straight
into treatment, and also avoiding contamination.
This is a big advance for that reaction inside West Africa. We're currently viewing several great
results there. This particular is bound to help.
GARRETT: 1 may well think that bureaucracy with the FDA is something you'll maintain charge of or
even at least become curious about. did an individual play just about any role in no less than
receiving that will method and furthermore the information obtainable to the FDA to produce a
determination such as this?
KLAIN: So, we depart the particular FDA to produce regulatory choices based around the facts and
evidence. It's not really one thing the particular policy-makers of the White Residence intervene.

We have got even though impressed upon your FDA the importance of acting safely, carefully,
however quickly. They Will get additionally approved with regard to widespread screening
throughout Africa the initial actually vaccine to always be able to prevent Ebola. Which test is
actually planning to begin inside the next 3 to become able to 4 weeks together with tens associated
with a huge quantity of people within West Africa getting the vaccine. That's yet another potentially
significant step forward within this fight against the disease.
GARRETT: Can Be this beaten, close to beaten, or means via getting beaten?
KLAIN: Well, I think you have to separate exactly where we are at house and in addition over in
West Africa.
Here from home, we have made significant strides for you to prepare for the occasional case of
Ebola that individuals will discover through time to moment in our shores. in West Africa, there's
any large amount of progress in Liberia. We get gone coming from 50 to end up being able to 100
new cases right down to 5 for you to 10 new cases the day.
But there's still the great deal of work to be done throughout Sierra Leone and some troubling
indicators in Guinea. So, I believe we're nearing a pivot point within this, the spot exactly where the
number of new cases all round throughout West Africa provides somewhat stabilized. Yet this will
not be done until we obtain all the way to zero. It's being a forest fire. The couple of embers burning,
and the factor could reignite in any time.
GARRETT: "The New England Journal associated with Medicine" brought up academic health-related
centers here within the United States, urging these to remove roadblocks so individuals who want to
visit West Africa can. These People assert in which we're far, way behind our European colleagues
inside working with this.
It could be something inside your lane. Must we end up being doing more? Will an individual attempt
to remove those roadblocks?
KLAIN: Well, initial involving all, I think, just to right one thing concerning that, we're not way at the
particular rear of our colleagues inside relation to the actual number of health treatment workers we
now have sent overall.
The American people, our healthcare centers are already unbelievably generous. Presently there
tend to be more Americans fighting this disease throughout West Africa nowadays as regarding this
holiday season when compared with individuals via every other country. Obviously, for specific
healthcare centers, you can easily find challenges in order to sparing individuals for very long tours
of duty. and we work using these each and every day to use to create that will easier.
But, overall, Major, I would repeat the generosity of America's well being treatment institutions
throughout fighting this disease overseas is actually unmatched through that of any other country.
GARRETT: Ron Klain, White Home Ebola czar, thanks very much for becoming any member of us
upon FACE THE NATION.
And we will be correct back.
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GARRETT: Coming up on FACE THE NATION: Bob Schieffer's interview along with Laura
Hillenbrand, author with the bestselling e-book that's now a new significant motion picture,
"Unbroken."
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GARRETT: A Quantity Of in our stations are leaving us now, however for the vast majority of you, we
will possibly be correct again with a lot a lot more FACE THE NATION. Please stick to us.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK) GARRETT: Welcome back again to end up being able to FACE THE
NATION. I'm Significant Garrett, filling out regarding Bob Schieffer.
We flip now for the information from overseas. As Well As to speak about yr when ISIS became a
new family identify and North Korea threaten no less than certainly 1 of our holiday movies.
I'm joined here throughout studio simply by Robin Wright, any joint fellow at the U.S. Institute
associated with Peace and the Woodrow Wilson Center; and David Rohde, an investigative reporter
for Reuters.
It's fantastic to get anyone with us.
ROBIN WRIGHT, FELLOW, WOODROW WILSON CENTER: It's excellent being using you.
GARRETT: It's fantastic to be along with you.
Let's begin real quick, give me perception both of you -- we'll start along with you Robin -- where will
end up being the battle against ISIS, where can it be going along with what to produce regarding
studies that will ISIS can't do everything to fulfill the requirements of individuals it intends to, or
says it can govern?
WRIGHT: Well, ISIS features designed a large sweep through Iraq and Syria earlier this year, yet
they've been contained pretty much since June.
The issue is we can't, possibly your Iraqis, your Usa or perhaps the Syrian rebels break through the
actual territory they hold, it's evident throughout Kobani. I was there a couple of weeks ago. Along
With your Usa provides launched regarding 350 airstrikes. And Also yet ISIS nonetheless controls
part of very small town.
Meanwhile, the largest town in Syria will be below threat as well as we're able to lose that. the globe
is paying awareness of this very small town. Nevertheless bigger stakes are usually inside Syria, and
I consider that is where the next season will many likely focus. GARRETT: David, exactly where is in
which this heading?
DAVID ROHDE, REUTERS: We get story coming which Reuters Baghdad bureau tomorrow
regarding Iraq essentially fracturing. It's the comparable difficulty from what Robin has been talking
about. the ground forces throughout Iraq, the particular is not coming back again together, an
individual know, really quickly. There's these huge sectarian divisions. And Also there's a new real
worry this -- anyone know, the country is not necessarily heading to come back collectively again
even with all the small American effort that's heading upon there.
The airstrikes helped, your advisors help, however these various distinctions aren't fading.

GARRETT: Iran can become a significant player in all of our geopolitical conversations. The idea is
actually against ISIS, however we do not acknowledge it. They're there. We're in addition working
on a nuclear arms agreement.
What are the prospects for that? Along With how do you believe Iran will factor in to almost all with
the foreign policy conversation within the new year?
WRIGHT: With Regard To very very first time inside 35 years, Iran and the Usa are generally on the
same web page from the same time. And Which I think each countries actually do want a deal, your
question features always been if the conservative ayatollahs in Iran could acquire in to an
arrangement with all the United States.
I believe it is possible. Is Actually it probable? It's difficult to tell. Yet it truly is clear the Usa and
Iran also share a lot of hobbies in the Center East today, specially throughout Iraq exactly where
they will are both involved in regards to end up being able to the spread involving ISIS, plus broader
approach the particular disintegration in the borders defined the century ago.
Will the particular middle East implode? It's not just the threat associated with ISIS, oahu is actually
the threat that the conflict will have rippling repercussion throughout the middle East, affect every
thing from demographics regarding the nation for the expense of oil and also affect entire region
regarding not merely many years for you to occur however decades to come.
GARRETT: David, the feeling at the White house is actually if there's zero agreement but there's a
new continuation of the status quo which is not a poor deal. How can you view it?
ROHDE: There's a big query mark regarding it. As Well As your query is, really, bed not really the
culprit congress likely to view it and how will Israel view it? There are critical elections approaching
throughout Israel. And Also when the Israelis start lobbying against extending this deal, the kind of
status quo, that is likely to become a problem. In case there's new sanction enacted through the U.S.
congress which type of causes it to always be able to be harder for your Iranians for you to
compromise. That They don't want to shed encounter in all of this.
This can be a huge issue for the Obama administration in 2015 if they could possibly get this Iran
deal or not. When they will fail it's actually a just crazy situation. Iran provides helped push rebels
there to consider huge parts of Yemen. That's unstable. These People possess got large influence in
Lebanon. And, an individual know, I spoke with senior State Department official and they said, an
individual know, Iranians are positioned to produce havoc inside many locations such as pertaining
to U.S. forces throughout Iraq.
So, watch this spring whether this offer happens or perhaps not. It's a huge issue for your
administration.
GARRETT: And Also a bizarre information fruit basket with North Korea Kim Jung un, The Actual
Interview, James Franco, Seth Rogen, how can everything figure -- is this, since the president
described, vandalism about the cybersecurity front or possibly is this something that lets us know
something much a lot more about new frontier regarding warfare which we're most planning to
possess to have better, familiarized along with and a lot more capable throughout defending?
WRIGHT: Absolutely: Cyber-terrorism is, or even cyber-attacks, cybersecurity tend to be a big
concerns for your 21st Century. Along With in a range involving ways movie was only tiny
microcosm with the broader challenge. the expenses for you to Sony will most likely be greater for

that disclosures concerning its finances and also it's arrangements with various stars laptop or
perhaps computer will inside terms of the near future associated with The Particular Interview.
But it is intriguing which the Interview isn't simply movie which is getting criticized as making a
problem for your United States. Exodus features now been banned within Morocco along with Egypt.
Pakistan is actually in the furor over The Particular Showtime series Homeland since it depicts
Pakistan as a hellhole.
And so it's kind of this complete American culture factor that is also available inside a more
amorphous way.
GARRETT: An Individual just gave me a great segue to end up being able to some thing David knows
well as well as I want to obtain to always be able to because I feel Pakistan can be going to be the
section of our conversation throughout 2015 throughout ways we might not be totally acquainted
with now. I'll allow you employ that will as an intro operate along with it, David.
ROHDE: Well, what frightened every person had been this horrific attack on a military-run school.
over hundred had been kids killed. Along With there's been this feeling for a long time that
Pakistan's army is essentially been playing a new double game. Along With let's always be honest we
does this inside the '80s, we employed jihadis to attacks Soviet troops within Afghanistan. It worked
great. 9/11 confirmed us you cannot manage those jihadists.
Pakistan's army offers continued that policy. Along With there's escalating indicators that they can't
control these jihadists. they couldn't protect this school along with children in it.
And for your first time I were built using a sort of former senior administration official say, they're
concerned with Pakistan's nuclear weapons, that if the army can't control institution children, are
usually these weapons secure?
We've talked about in which scenario for many years but the situation is certainly not running nicely
throughout Pakistan. These types of jihadist are generally receiving stronger and also stronger. Will
the Pakistani army finally confront them? GARRETT: Excellent.
David Rohde, Reuters, investigative reporter Robin Wright, a foreign policy expert throughout the
continuum. We thanks greatly regarding becoming a new member of us this morning upon Confront
the actual Nation. very happy new year to an individual personally both.
And we'll become proper again together with Bob Schieffer's interview using the author of, well,
mcdougal Laura Hillenbrand. Thank anyone very much.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GARRETT: 1 regarding this year's bit holiday's movies is Unbroken, the storyline associated with
Louis Zamperini, an Olympic runner whose plane crashed in world War II. He survived 47 days adrift
from sea, along with a lot a lot more than a couple associated with years in a Japanese prison camp.
While Zamperini's story regarding survival provides mesmerized countless readers, since the actual
book's launch inside 2010 author Laura Hillenbrand struggled to be able to overcome the
debilitating disease in order to be able to create it is absolutely nothing short regarding courageous
either.

Bob Schieffer sat down final week together with Laura Hillenbrand to hear how she do it.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
BOB SCHIEFFER, CBS ANCHOR: Laura, you have published this phenomenal story with regards to
Louis Zamperini and just how he overcame the particular odds, yet to me your story battling this
complaint which you've then becoming in any place to compose this story is, to me, is truly as
persuasive a new story as his story is.
And I realize greater than any million Americans have got this disease, however it is so mysterious,
tell me about it.
LAURA HILLENBRAND, AUTHOR: It's formerly called chronic fatigue syndrome. It's now usually
referred in order to as ME as well as myalgic encephalomyelitis. It can end up being a disease in
which causes, above every thing else, profound exhaustion, exhaustion in the lines individuals may
find yourself completely bedridden with regard to years. An Individual can have trouble speaking
you're thus tired. Furthermore, it causes large quantity of additional symptoms, problems along with
your balance, sensitivity in order to light, night sweats, chills, swollen lymph nodes, fevers, most
sorts regarding things. It's actually a devastating disease.
SCHIEFFER: Yet it has caused one to have to perform inside a different way.
HILLENBRAND: Yeah.
SCHIEFFER: Tell me just a new little about that.
HILLENBRAND: Well, inside the a prolonged time where I've been exhausted it features been some
thing exactly where I've needed to drag myself in order to my personal computer in order to my
phone to complete interviews also it just requires fantastic offer from me to accomplish the work.
My principle difficulty these days is vertigo, can be balance disorder, that produces reading and
creating almost impossible consequently I need to kind of function across the room spinning and
tipping as well as I must operate in little increments associated with time, simply because I are
certain to get a lot more plus more dizzy as I work.
It's really challenging to work with this. Nevertheless I've found ways about it.
SCHIEFFER: Nevertheless a person almost never depart the house?
HILLENBRAND: I let it rest far more now compared to I utilized to. while I has been working in the
book I was a lot sicker as compared to I am now. and there is truly a new span of period of two years
although I had been working upon the book when I has been struggling to leave the home a single
time, since I merely wasn't sufficiently strong enough just in order to walk for the auto to have out in
the house. And so I was in it.
But I did keep working. I worked each along with every way one of the ways or perhaps an
additional to get it done.
SCHIEFFER: Well, what I find therefore fascinating with regards to this, and additionally the
approach your own work habits had to alter since involving this disease, I adore the means by which
an individual located the storyline along with first found know about Louis Zamperini. How did that
will happen?

HILLENBRAND: I was operating on my initial book, which in turn has been about the racehorse
Seabiscuit. I such as to purchase full newspapers from your era that I'm operating on, and read them
every 1 involving the way through rather than just study the article about the subject, simply
because I want to immerse myself in the history and furthermore the time, along with have the
context.
And I was taking a look at an article on Seabiscuit throughout a, I believe it had been a 1938
newspaper. Straight on the other side of the page ended up being an article on this teenage running
phenomenon named Louis Zamperini. and I read that product I was really fascinated with him. And
In Which I wrote his identify down.
And later on while I has been operating upon the ebook I found out his war story, that hadn't
happened but once the article ended up written. Along With then I was actually fascinated. and I
said, I've got to look this guy up when I'm done.
And when I had been finished with the guide I wrote him any letter, he wrote me back. We stood a
phone call. He explained his total story. And Also when I hung up, I thought, I have to write this
book.
SCHIEFFER: A Person know, I consider additionally, it underlines the really amazing thing about
newspapers. An Individual know, if you are looking for some thing online you're going directly to in
which particular until an individual discover it. Whenever you might be studying any newspaper an
individual find every one of these other stories which you weren't especially looking for. and within
this case appear what which would pertaining to you.
HILLENBRAND: Yes. In case you appear one thing up on your internet it's such as you're wearing
blinkers. If you appear it inside an old newspaper you've peripheral vision and many kinds of of a
sudden you're viewing stuff that you would not have come across.

I enjoy to appear from the house ads and also the ads pertaining to hats in Fifth Avenue, and also
such issues as that. As Well As a person learn to actually discover the particular time. And Also you
can stumble about a magazine subject, during my case.
SCHIEFFER: Consequently on this case, how did you go about doing this? I mean, you cannot go
interview people. An Individual by no means satisfied Louis until right after the book was finished.
HILLENBRAND: Yes. I had created lots and much and also plenty of telephone calls, as well as do a
complete large amount of interviews around the telephone. Most my interviews using Louis, where
there had been many, many regarding them, probably countless hours, were just about all around
the phone.
And it really in the way had been an advantage, since I wasn't looking at a 90-year-old man telling
me the tale concerning the 18-year- old runner. I was considering the actual 18-year-old runner
within my imagination.
Whatever he had been telling me with regards to I ended up being in a situation to actually place
myself there during my imagination while he wasn't sitting correct before me. And I Also think it
enabled me to visualize the storyline much better also to inquire better questions, simply because
when I actually felt such as I has been around the journey with him, I could think in regards in order
to the details that he'd become experiencing, along with I could question regarding them.
And I have simply no idea that I might have carried out that will if we ended up sitting inside the
same room.
SCHIEFFER: How do he react to any kind of or even all this?
HILLENBRAND: He were built using a great offer of fun. He was obviously a very social man. He as
well as I clicked proper away. He became my surrogate grandfather right away. Along With he
enjoyed truly exploring his story. I feel maybe the funnest a part of it pertaining to him was, I'm kind
of a fanatic with regards to research.
And I would go off -- I would talk to him then I would go off to corroborate every small thing he told
me, and to find out new things, along with interview new people. And I Also would learn reasons for
his story which he didn't know.
And it was really thrilling for him simply because these were many decades earlier, and also this
stuff would fascinate him as well as stun him. and one of the things which he enjoyed one with the
most will be when he ended up being out around the raft, he went via this terrible storm the night
just before he has been captured through the Japanese.
And he didn't know well what kind of storm it was. That only agreed in order to be a poor storm to
become able to him. I went by means of each one associated with these outdated newspapers trying
to discover proof of this storm simply because I desired to corroborate every fact he gave me.
And there weren't weather records the way in which they may possibly be today. but I located inside
the newspaper mention of your massive typhoon which inside fact had hit the actual coast of China. I
referred to as a handful of weather experts who talked if you might well ask me about the paths
regarding typhoons because a portion of the particular world. and through the date it hit China, it
might have meant which it was proper more than the place Louis ended up being that night before
he had been captured. Therefore I ended up being capable of come up say, you realize what, anyone

went by means of a huge typhoon, which wasn't just a thunderstorm anyone were in. And Also which
thrilled him.
SCHIEFFER: Laura, do you believe you could get created this guide had you not really gone via your
personal challenges?
HILLENBRAND: I could have got written this book, yet I consider it had been actually your much
better regarding my getting gone by means of what I went through. I are already throughout very,
very dark locations during my life, mostly because of this disease.
And it has offered me an understanding of suffering that will I feel an individual can only get
firsthand. and Louis and also I mentioned what I ended up through. He study an article in which I
wrote pertaining to The Manufacturer New Yorker in what I had gone through.
And he understood in which I knew what he had been talking about. Any time he has been
discussing actually suffering, I knew one thing by what which felt like. And I Also believe it enabled
him to start up.
SCHIEFFER: I think that your thing of writing, which I quite definitely admire, is the real fact that
you do not let the, quote, "writing," stand within the means of telling your story.
HILLENBRAND: I believe it is necessary for your author to obtain from the way of the story. That
Will you may well be attempting to communicate the particular story, you are not necessarily trying
to show oneself off. And Also if you've really succeeded, you are invisible to your reader. They're just
viewing the story in front of them.
It's clarity that matters. And Also when I'm working, I like to read my sentences aloud for you to
myself to determine in the big event the rhythm is actually right, if I'm conveying the story well.
Which I believe is the truest test with the language.
SCHIEFFER: Inform me regarding Louis, when you finally achieved him, that which was which like,
and where had been that?
HILLENBRAND: in 2011 following I had place it out he came towards the New England and which
he found discover me finally. We had by zero means met inside dozens of years. As Well As it had
been thus great to satisfy him. That was among the particular very best experiences associated with
my life.
It ended up being fantastic in order to watch him move out of a auto and come over to me, since
you've a specific notion of such a 90-something man can be likely to move like. As Well As he came
quickening my hill and was, a person know, relocating like a young man and threw his arms about
me.
And the really first factor I did was take his hand and look advertising online closely simply because
I desired to begin to determine the scars in it. He had a scar about his finger via exactly where his
ring got caught in the wreckage of the Green Hornet as it absolutely was dragging him under the
actual ocean. and he stood a series of various other scars in the albatross that he killed around the
raft that had pecked with his hand. Scars were still there, and when I held that will man's hand and
checked out that, I realized I had been considering the past marks of the Green Hornet and the proof
the particular story, this man actually lived this. Along With that features been -- it was relocating
for you to me. It was extraordinary.

And once we parted, I knew I wasn't planning to observe him again. and I feel he knew that, too.
when I walked him for you to his car, and that he put his arms about me, and the actual man said,
Laura, I know why I've lived this lengthy and also it's to determine you tend to be writing this book,
and also I feel that my entire life has come to its crescendo together with this.
And I was fighting back tears as I stated goodbye along with I walked back again to my front porch
along with cried for any while.
SCHIEFFER: Have you seen the movie yet?
HILLENBRAND: Yes, I have.
SCHIEFFER: and what would you think?
HILLENBRAND: Anyone know, I'm truly satisfied with it. I feel Jack O'Connell, that plays Louis, will
an extraordinary job associated with capturing Louis. I felt similar to this is actually Louis on the
screen. It ended up being him in all regarding his soulfulness and all of his defiance.
O'Connell will be electrifying. He has this alacrity to be able to him that is precisely what Louis was.
As Well As in which pleased me thus much. and I thought Angelina did a magical occupation inside
conveying this story around the screen. It ended up being extremely satisfying pertaining to me.
SCHIEFFER: An Individual haven't created much inside the final 4 years. Your Current book,
involving course, continues for you to be around the bestseller list with regard to 4 years, and also
now it's coming outside in paperback, and here it's back again from the top the list again.
Do you've an additional project inside mind?
HILLENBRAND: I do. And Also it's really another story that will I found in the newspaper although
operating about Louis's story. It ended up being something I stumbled across simply by accident. I'm
not telling individuals what it is.
But it is another story, it's through early inside the 20th Century. And Also it absolutely was from
some time the biggest story inside the world, nevertheless it is totally forgotten today. I had never
heard of it, along with it's fantastic.
SCHIEFFER: Well, I hope you have very happy holiday.
HILLENBRAND: Thank you, anyone too.
SCHIEFFER: Congratulations.
HILLENBRAND: Thank anyone so much.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GARRETT: That's it for us today.
Bob is planning to be again next week.
But just before we go, we would like to consider a final look back in 60 numerous many years of
information here on FACE THE NATION.
And here again will be Bob Schieffer.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: FACE THE NATION...
SCHIEFFER: Locating the key players about the large story of the week, sitting all of them down as
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP FROM 1954)
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(END VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm questioning how you...

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(CROSSTALK)
STAHL: -- well, why?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
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(VIDEO CLIP)
SCHIEFFER: That had been the wedding which no-one believed could actually occur -- an attack
around the homeland.

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simply no idea what you've gotten yourselves into.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
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FACE THE NATION can be in no way more pleasurable than throughout campaign years.
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SCHIEFFER (on camera): Governor, many thanks a fantastic deal regarding becoming any member
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I suggest maybe you have ever seen Newt Gingrich without his shirt?
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(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHIEFFER: I want to obtain back to foreign policy. but I also need to request an individual about
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We got beat.
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