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1. 23 Reasons Why You Should Go to College
Reason 1: College is a lot of fun. You get to put off going to work for four years while you
party every week.
Reason 2: You meet new people.
Reason 3: You get exposed to new ideas,
new thoughts, new ways of looking at
things.
Reason 4: You get away from home and out
from under your parent's restrictions.
Reason 5: Chances are that you will earn
more money over your lifetime than a high
school graduate since you probably will not
invest what you'd spend on college into a
retirement plan.
Reason 6: You're not paying for it. Chances
are good that you are paying only a small
portion of your college expenses. The rest is covered by scholarships, grants, parents,
government loans, grandparents, and friends.
Reason 7: Frats and sororities, if you enjoy that kind of thing.
Reason 8: Connections. The only reason to go to Harvard or other top-ranked colleges is not
for the knowledge but for the connections you can build by the friends you make. Those
connections can serve you well in business, politics, society, etc.
Reason 9: Friends. Some of the people you meet in college will become your friends for life.
Good friends.
Reason 10: You might actually learn something.
Reason 11: Great professors. Chances are that you'll meet one or two really good teachers,
people who will become your mentors and possibly your colleagues after you graduate.
Reason 12: Facilities. The labs, libraries, and even the athletic facilities are generally better
than anything you'll find once you start working in the real world.
Reason 13: Curated knowledge. If the school is good (or at least a few of the professors are
good), you'll be exposed to knowledge that has stood the test of time, knowledge that is
actually meaningful, knowledge that will lead you to new ways of thinking and new ways of
doing things.
Reason 14: Sports. If you like the big game on Saturday, nothing beats a rockin' college
stadium on game day.
2. Reason 15: Sex. Nothing like putting 20,000 horny young adults into one place for many
great opportunities for sex (if you like that kind of thing and you can avoid date rape).
Reason 16: Bars. There are many great bars near college campuses. You can party every
night if you want.
Reason 17: Bookstores. Almost every college town has at least one great bookstore. That's
where you'll really learn what you need to know.
Reason 18: Summer vacations.
Reason 19: Recruiters. College is the only time in your life where businesses with money to
hire you will actually seek you out. The rest of your life you will have to seek them out.
Reason 20: Some professions require degrees: doctors, nurses, teachers, engineers (not
all), architects (not all).
Reason 21: Students who drop out of school in the United States are more likely to be
unemployed, homeless, receiving welfare, and incarcerated (Wikipedia).
Reason 22: 94% of young murder victims are high school dropouts (Wikipedia).
Reason 23: Graduating. Finally getting into the real world. Attending college gives you
perspective when you start working in the real world
20 Reasons Why You Should Drop Out of
College
Reason 1: The Great College Hoax by Kathy Kristof, Forbes magazine.
“Offsetting that million-dollar income discrepancy is the $46,700 four-year cost of tuition,
fees, books, room and board at a public school and $99,900 at a private one--even after
financial aid, scholarships and grants. Add all this to the equation and college grads don't
pull even with high school grads in lifetime income until age 33 on average, the College
Board says. Even that doesn't include the $125,000 in pay students forgo over four years.”
Reason 2: College graduates don't necessarily make more than high school graduates,
especially when factoring in the cost of college.
3. Reason 3: Why not invest what it costs you to go to college into a retirement savings
account. By the time you retire, you'll have earned far more than any college graduate.
Reason 4: Colleges no longer teach many useful skills. You'd be better offer learning
software programming skills at a tech school or on-the-job training program.
Reason 5: This College Dropouts Hall of Fame includes many successful, rich, and talented
people who either never attended college at all or who never graduated.
Reason 6: The cost of graduating from college is now well over $100,000. Couldn't you
spend that money in better ways.
Reason 7: Take the four years that you would have spent going to college and spend one
year traveling the world — the best education any money could buy. Spend the next three
years working a variety of internships, even for low pay, to earn experience and get the
kind of working knowledge college can never provide.
Reason 8: If you're a conservative or libertarian, you'll avoid 4 years of indoctrination in the
socialist viewpoint of most college professors. If you're one of the 99%, why expose
yourself with the thinking of the 1% hoity-toity elite?
Reason 9: It's generally a waste of time, more of a reason to party than a tool for great
learning.
Reason 10: College education is way over-priced. You could learn far more by paying a good
tutor to teach you what you need to know to be successful in business and in life.
Reason 11: Colleges don't really teach you success principles. They teach you facts. They
don't teach you how to think.
Reason 12: Tests. Tests that don't measure real knowledge.
Reason 13: Research papers that have no connection to real life.
4. Reason 14: Incompetent tenured professors.
Reason 15: Professors that rely on teaching assistants to teach their courses and grade
papers, so you're being taught by people who don't really know much more than you do.
Reason 16: Expensive textbooks. Over-priced, biased, and often inaccurate.
Reason 17: Frats and sororities, especially if you don't like elitists. And you really hate
hazing.
Reason 18: College sports. Too many colleges spend more money on the jocks than they do
on the professors. That's a twisted set of values.
Reason 19: Sexual pressure - Nothing like putting 20,000 horny people together to get the
wrong kind of sexual pressure. Rape on college campuses is epidemic. Date rape is almost a
given.
Reason 20: Do you really need another reason?