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PANEL DISCUSSION ON THE NEW ADVENTURE
POLICY
EXPERT VASANT LIMAYE, DILIP
LAGU,SHANTANU
PANDIT,ABHAY GHANEKAR, AVI
MALIK, RAJESH GADGIL, SHIRISH
SAHASRABUDDHE
ANCHOR DR.MILIND CHITLEY
DATE 27 SEPTEMBER 2020 AT 11:00 AM -
Note:
1. MAC would like to keep everyone updated about suggestions MAC is sending
to the government.
2. MAC requests persons who have commented during the live webinar to
please send in their email IDs – we will send you updates about the
suggestions.
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS
1. Sunil Raj: In Policy it is mentioned that planning and conducting
adventure activities in Maharashtra but in Appendix B Part 1
Mountaineering and Trekking???
A Hi Sunil, we do not exactly understand your question - please clarify your
question so we can respond appropriately.
2. Sunil Raj: Annual report submission date should be 30 June
A MAC will include this suggestion when compiling everyone’s suggestions
3. From Saurabh to Everyone: 11:11 AM - Most of the people would like to
know covid guidelines for adventure sector... kindly enlighten us about it
A Answered by Abhay Ghanekar in Session itself; MAC has its own
guidelines for this on its website www.mahaadventurecouncil.org; you
will also find similar documents on websites of organisations like UIAA,
IMF and wilderness first aid organisations around the world.
4. From Prakash Kelkar to Everyone: 11:13 AM - I AM - a trekking
enthusiast residing in Dubai. When I AM - on visit to India I do participate
in outdoor activities in Maharashtra with family & friends. Now with the
new procedure in GR do I have to take prior permissions and pay for this
activity each time I engage in to, either as an individual or a group?
A There are three parts to our response:
a) Present draft of GR states restriction of five persons which is confusing
– this is one of the points that all of us are seeking clarity on.
b) MAC’s stand: such individual activity should not be regulated since all
those who go do so on their own responsibility
c) MAC recommends that such a group should anyway study guidelines
relevant to adventure activity undertaken, as it will only help enhance
safety.
5. From Prakash Walvekar to Everyone: 11:16 AM - एक सुचना कराविशी िाटते
आहे. २०१७ च्या जि. आर. मधला गियाारोहण खेळ म्हणून असलेला भाि कायम ठेिून
सदरचा भाि क्रिडा विभािाचे अखत्यारीत राहूूंदे ि साहसी उपिम या विषयािर पयाटन
विभािाचे अखत्यारीत निीन येणारा जि.आर. लािू होऊदे.हा मध्यम मािा होऊ शकतो.
A MAC will include this suggestion while compiling all suggestions.
MAC’s stand is that the draft of this GR is only applicable to adventure
activities (like mountaineering or rock climbing) that are only organised
for participants (who participate only for recreational purpose and
exercise no control over the activity). Adventure activities (e.g., Pinnacle
Climbing or Peak climbing expeditions) undertaken on individual basis or
by organisations like clubs on their own responsibility are not covered in
this draft. Since there seems to be some confusion about this point we
can suggest government to clarify the provisions.
6. From Akhil Desai to Everyone: 11:16 AM - what about the insurance
availability for NRI & also for residents?? there are hardly any insurance
companies who provide insurance for adventure activities India
A There is one company now in India that brokers with insurance
companies to provide policies specifically for adventure activities. This is
still a developing field. MAC has had one dialogue with an entity abroad
to get an idea about the status of this topic in that country, and our
understanding is this is a complicated topic everywhere. The whole thing
probably gets more complicated when one considers insurance for NRIs
and foreigners. More study is needed. MAC would welcome contribution
in the form of research and suggestions in this area!
7. From Nitin Bodas to Everyone: 11:17 AM - Myself Nitin Bodas, I AM -
having my own business for adventure activities. My question is I do the
activities for not more than 5 to 6 people at a time. So whether I required
to prepare all the documents. Generally my participants came from out of
our state, we do activity outside our state, still do I have to submit all
documents required as per new GR ?. Any concession for document
preparation in such case and not for registration with Govt.
A MAC’s understanding about the draft of GR: all provisions are applicable
to any entity engaged in organizing adventure activities for participants.
The number-restriction is for individuals who go in groups. E.g., office
colleagues, group of friends etc.
8. From Mrudula to Everyone: 11:17 AM - My company: Mabel Holidays, do
organise Summer camps and Himalayan adventure trips. What kind of
registration I will have to do?
A MAC’s understanding about the draft of GR: your organis ation’s
registration should follow all provisions stated in the draft of GR since
they are applicable to any entity engaged in organizing adventure
activities for participants.
9. From Anuj Khare NW to Everyone: 11:19 AM - how many wildlife tour
operators were consulted and involved in this entire process while
drafting the rules & regulations regarding wildlife Safaris. Why group of
adventure experts have drafted wildlife SOPs. ? One person's view can be
considered as view of the entire tour operators community.
A Further to response given by Vasant Limaye during panel discussion:
The guidelines created by MAC and sent to government certainly had
gaps in some areas, and MAC was clear about not attempting to create
guidelines where we did not have expertise.
Since there is a directive from Central Ministry of Tourism to
Government of Maharashtra to adopt the ATOAI guidelines, MAC
decided to ‘fill a few gaps’ by respecting the ATOAI guidelines and add to
it some content that was i) specific to Maharashtra (if relevant) and ii) as
advised by Safety management System approach.
Consider the example of wildlife safaris:
a) MAC adopted the wildlife safari guideline of ATOAI
b) MAC added to that document just the generic leadership content
according to what the Safety Management System approach
recommends
c) MAC made sure that the leadership content mentions that all such
safaris comply with existing legal requirements (with the knowledge
that there already are existing laws and guidelines in the Forest
Department and other concerned authorities like NTCA), and that the
leader / instructor has copies of all compliance documents (along with
other)
d) MAC suggested to government to have a single-window registration
process where hopefully such challenges will be taken care of
While MAC keeps revising its own guidelines (we are on our 4th
version), MAC does have its limitations primarily because all work is
done on voluntary-basis. MAC would welcome people like you and
your friends/colleagues to help this process; alternatively, you could
write directly to the government in order to bring about a change as
you see fit. It is true that MAC could have done more work on this,
and also that the government could have done the same.
10. From Nitin bodas to Everyone: 11:22 AM - Myself Nitin Bodas from Pune,
we have registered club for adventure. We do number of climbs only for
members with no profit. Our activities restricted only for few members
with contributing the actual charges. So with this new rule we will
registered with govt. My question is whether we required to prepare all
such documents and records which is must for profit making activities
organised by other clubs. Also we do some practice activities before our
major activity, does it comes under same rule?Another aspect is for last
say 20 years we do activities with permission taken from forest dept. For
stay, camp and activities. We have all records with us, still we have to
follow all such rules given under new GR
A MAC stand: If adventure activities (like rock climbing) are undertaken by
climbers themselves and everybody is responsible for own safety then
such activity is beyond the purview of the draft of the GR. So, rock
climbing practice undertaken by rock climbers is beyond the purview of
the draft of the GR.
Stay at camp and conduct of activities are covered by draft of GR. But if
they are falling under wildlife safaris then Vasant Limaye has replied to
this question during panel discussion.
11. From Mrudula to Everyone: 11:24 AM - My daughter participate in
climbing competitions. So is there any registration required for it?
A Not required under the draft of this GR. Shirish Sahasrbuddhe has
answered this question during panel discussion.
12. From Nitin bodas to Everyone: 11:26 AM - Another question is few resort
do organise adventure activities, are they require to get registered with
Govt. As generally some expert other than resort people held such
activities at resort premises or near about places
A MAC’s understanding of the draft of this GR: the organisations/resorts
with whom a participant is enrolled are required to be registered. Also if
external experts are providing such services to resorts then their
organisation needs to be registered as service provider. The safety
guideline for ‘service provider’ may be considered.
13. From Saurabh to Everyone: 11:28 AM - respective person must be
certified with at least basic mountaineering course. So your safety will be
assured otherwise Maharashtrian adventure activities are not life
threatening if you follow the guidelines
A MAC’s understanding of the draft of the GR: The guidelines refer to such
qualification criteria – they vary from activity to activity. BMC does
prepare a person for many leadership responsibilities but may not be
enough by itself in many cases. Guidelines can definitely help lower risk
in adventure programmes organised for participants anywhere including
in Maharashtra. But it may be noted that risk can never be brought down
to zero.
14. From Rajan Mahajan to Everyone: 11:29 AM - What's the difference in
leader to participant ratios given on page 32, 56, 61, (English version)
?leader to participant ratio is not part of other land based activities like
basic rock climbing, Pinnacle climbing, Rappelling, W. rappelling, rope
course, valley crossing etc. Is it right ?
A MAC’s point of view: the ratios given in a few guidelines are to be taken
as ‘indicative’, a guiding example. Also, it is easier to state such
examples for hikes, and much more difficult for any rock climbing
project. More work is definitely required in this area.
15. From Saurabh to Everyone: 11:36 AM - I AM - a trekker as well as
organizer..we have our own start up and we tie up with the respective
people of rural respective spots.. what guidelines should respective
people of adventure sector should follow?
A MAC’s point of view: Thanks for asking such a crucial question! The
implementation of such safety guidelines is an extremely complicated
challenge for both, the government and all of us adventure programme
organisers. Work related to safety guidelines that are relevant to local
populations needs to be done. At the moment, MAC would recommend
that a group leader follow whatever is under his/her control and is
supported by his/her organisation through the guidelines of draft of GR.
16. From Ashish Patankar RC MUMBAI JUHU to Everyone: 11:38 AM - a
compiled version of suggestions & objections by MAC should be
circulated for others to support by email by individuals
A Yes, as replied by Dilip Lagu in Panel discussion.
17. From Ashish Datar to Everyone: 11:41 AM - I AM - Ashish Datar from
Pune, staying in the USA. Is it mandatory for people like me to register as
per the new GR during yearly visits to India and going for hikes with
friends?
A No, as long as you and your group members hike on your own
responsibility.
From diliplagu to Everyone: 11:43 AM - Anyone visiting on his own does
not require, registration. This GR applies mainly to organised activity
where the inexperienced participants depend on organisers for safety
18. From Dhiren Talpade to Everyone: 11:41 AM - Once we have created our
personal SOP for activities carried out by our group, AND done the
respective registrations with the government authorities, THEN for every
activity that we go for, will we be required to carry all our paper work, and
which agencies would be competent to ask us to show our credentials?
A MAC’s stand: The list of copies of papers suggested in the draft of the GR
is comprehensive – any programme should carry with it only those
documents that are relevant. There should be minimum burden of
paperwork and no official apart from DoT should routinely ask for
document except where it is required by law (e.g., inner line permits,
forest permits, etc.). The qualifications of such a DoT official are not
clear, and if there is a concern about this then MAC encourages people to
write to GoM with reference to specific sections of the draft of the GR.
19. From Saurabh to Everyone: 11:42 AM - can we take police assistance if
we r stopped by villagers on the way?
In the current times, with uncertainty about what to do for protection of
local communities from spread of COVID-19, villagers may have their
own ‘rules’. You need to check whether there is any valid reason for such
an act of being stopped. If there is no reason, you can take help of police.
20. From Hemant - Offbeat Wanderers to Everyone: 11:46 AM -
A Thanks for detailed suggestions and your thoughts! MAC will include all
your suggestions in the consolidated suggestions that MAC will forward
to DoT, GoM. Some brief responses are as follows:
1) शासनाच्या प्रस्तावित मसुद्यात 1800मी. च्या खाली कु ठल्याही प्रकारची साहसी
खेळ, सूंस्थेने ऑिानाइझ के लेले एकददिसीय हायक्रकूं ि, एकापेक्षा अगधक ददिसाूंचे
ट्रेक्रकूंि क्रकूं िा क्रकूं िा जयाूंना कु णाला ग्रुप मधून सेिादेणाऱ्या कडून करायचे आहे तत्सम
व्यक्तीना लािू होईल. 1800मी पेक्षा िास्त उूंचीिरच्या खेळाूंना IMF इूंडडयन
मौटेननअररूंि फे डरेशन चे ननयम क्रकूं िा जिथे एक्सपीडडशन/गियाारोहण होत असेल
नतथले ननयम लािू होतील.2) ऑनलाइन पोटाल िसे इव्हेंटहाय, थ्रीलोपेललया,
बुकमायशो हयाूं सारख्या िर ननयमन हिे कारण कु ठल्याही प्रकारची रेक्की क्रकूं िा
असेसमेंट न करता इव्हेंट असतात ऑनलाइन जयात सभासद डायरेक्ट सेिा-देणारे /
local guide कडे िातात त्यामुळे सध्य िरील मसुद्यात हया दोघूंबद्दल पण
िाईडलाइन याव्या. (उद्या सहभािी बोलतील इकडे एिढे फॉमा भरून देण्यापेक्षा अन
रेस्रीकशन पेक्षा आपण तसे िाऊ असे नको व्हायला)
They are covered
3) अूंनतम नोंदणी 3 िषाापेक्षा 5 िषा करािे अन त्यात पण दरिषी ररपोटा सबलमट
कराियाचा आहे त्यामुळे ते 5 िषा करािे.
Noted
4) तात्पुरती नोंदणी / अूंनतम नोंदणी मधील रुटी हया इमेल क्रकूं िा एस.एम.एस व्दारे
कळिण्यात याव्या.
Noted
5) अूंनतम नोंदणी शुल्क हे एका दठकाणाकरीता असेल म्हणिे िर मला राििड
करािायचा असेल तर एक नोंदणी अन हरीशचनाद्र साठी दुसरी नोंदणी असे म्हणायचे
आहे का? *(त्या पेक्षा सहयाद्री सूंपूणा असे ठेिािे.)
This provision is only for air and water based adventure activities.
6) विम्यासूंधारबहात कूं पल्सरी करािे क्रकूं िा जया सहभािी व्यक्तीना विमा नको आहे
त्याूंच्या कडून तसे डीक्लेरेशन घ्यािे. क्रकूं िा िेल्या मीदटूंि मध्ये साूंगितल्याप्रमाणे PM
- SBY & PM - JJBY असािे िे कॉस्ट इफे जक्टव्ह आहे
Noted
7) िावषाक अहिाल बाबतीतले मुद्दे स्पष्ट असािे. िसे अहिालात काय काय हिे.
(देिाणघेिाण नसािी) फक्त इव्हेंट कु ठे होता क्रकती लोक होती हयाचा सूंदभा असािा.
Noted
8) िलमनीिरील प्रकारात त्याभािातल्या िनविभाि चे ननयम लािू होतील (अगधक
मादहती अपेक्षक्षत कारण माळशेि सारख्या दठकाणी ट्रेक करताना अडिले िाते पण
त्याच अभयारण्यच्या मध्यभािी असलेल्या MTDC ररसॉटा म्हद्ये अिदी डीिे पण
चालतो. कायदे समान असािे 🙏🏻
Noted
9) प्रपर ब (अगधक मादहती अपक्षीत) उदारणाथा आपण खूप लोक भारतीय मानाूंकन
असलेलले हानेस ि इतर उपकरणे िापरतो ते समाविष्ट व्हािे
Replied by Shirish Sahasrabuddhe in detail during panel discussion.
10) अपघाताची िबाबदारी ही त्यात्या सदस्याूंची राहील (िर सूंस्था दोषी आढळल्यास
फक्त कारिाई) कारण सद्य मसुद्यात अपघात झाल्यास कारिाई असे नमूद के ले आहे
MAC agrees that penal provisions are harsh and need to be rational and
practical. Hey should not be genuine organisers.
11) दस्तऐिि- रेजिस्टर प्रत्येक िेळी घेऊन िाणे नाही होणार. (लािेल तेव्हा त्याची
नोंद पूताता पुढील 15 ददिसात करण्यात येईल असे काही असािे) रजिस्टर सोबत असािे
MAC agrees that there should be minimum burden of carrying
document.
12) िोखीम मूल्याूंकन मान्यता कु णाकडुन करून घ्यािी (मान्यता देणाऱ्याचे नाि: त्या
सूंस्था सदस्य का अिून कु णी) कारण बरेच ग्रुप अिोदर रेककी करून तसे करत नाही
Organisation should use the guideline on risk management and the
template given in the draft of the GR to create its own risk assessment
document.
13) सेिादाता / local guide (हयाूंचे पण कु ठेतरी रेजिस्ट्रेशन हिे भले स्थाननक
पाठळीिर पण हिे अन एक छोटी ननयमािली हिी)
Registration is provided of service provider is compulsory.
14) हेललकॉप्टर कायाप्रणाली (अगधक मादहती) अिून पयंत सहयाद्रीम्हदे असे रेस्क्यू
नाही झाले पण अशी मदत भेटणार असेल तर त्याला सरकार दरबार कडून एक अगधकृ त
नूंबर असािा जयाला कॉल करून उपयोि घेऊ शकतो.
It is an impractical provision in 2018 GR as well as current draft of GR
about leaders knowing helicopter rescue process. If there are any such
helicopter services we should obtain information about it!
15) ररव्हर िॉलसूंि म्हद्ये लाइफ िॅके ट सोडून बाकी सिा िोष्टी समाविष्ट आहे हे पण
करािे 🙏16) क्रफक्स कॅ म्पसाईट साठी (िसे भूंडारदरा / पिना सारखे )काही मािादशान
तत्िे नाही आलीय िसे लेकसाईड क्रकूं िा ररव्हरसाईड कॅ म्प असतात त्यानूं साठी िी आहे
ते 8000 फू ट च्या खालचे असे नमूद के ले आहे. सहयाद्रीत कु ठलीही कॅ म्पसाइट १६००
मीटर पेक्षा उूंच नाहीये. हयासाठी एक लसूंिल रेजिस्ट्रेशन हिे कारण बऱ्याच िेळा फॉरेस्ट
/ पोलीस / ग्रामपूंचायत िेििेिळे ननयम िे अस्तीव्तात नाही ते लािू करतात
A MAC’s understanding of draft of GR: Location based registration is
expected only for air and water based activities. Registration and
payment are not required for land-based activities for different locations
in Maharashtra.
From dilip lagu to Everyone: 11:47 AM - Location based registration is
currently expected for Air and Water based activities only. Not for land
based activities.
21. From SachinMadane to Everyone: 11:50 - उद्या दोन experence climbers िर
दोन तीन निोददत climbers ना बरोबर घेऊन िेले तर त्याला हे organized म्हणणार
का ?
A If two such novices go as “participants’ where they state that they are
dependent for their safety on experienced instructors/leaders, then yes,
the provisions are applicable.
If such novices go on their own responsibility as members of the climbing
Further discussion is needed for a better way to distinguish between
such operations.
From diliplagu to Everyone: 11:52 AM - This is tricky. The new comers
have to ask themselves… will they blame the experienced participants if
something goes wrong...
22. From Saurabh Oka to Everyone: 11:51 AM - Pinnacle climbing Chie f
Instructor guidelines can be AM - ended a bit. AM - C may not be
compulsory. And experience of at least 2 pinnacles be added.
A MAC will include your suggestions in the consolidated suggestions that
MAC will forward to DoT, GoM. MAC will also consider your suggestions
when revising its own guidelines.
23. From KalyaniKarmarkar to Everyone: 11:52 AM - I AM - Kalyani
Karmarkar Pune my question is to Shirish Sahasrabhuddhe..I have
purchased hardware 12mm kernel metal rope, as per new rules...is it
allowed to use this rope or not ?
A A 12 mm. kernmantle rope is good to be used if the rope is i) used for
activities it is meant for; e.g., use will depend on whether it is static or
dynamic ii) if it meets UIAA certification standards; note that there are
Indian companies today that sell UIAA certified ropes or ropes that meet
UIAA certification standards iii) accompanied by information about the
rope specs given by the manufacturer.
24. From Hrishikesh Ubhe to Everyone: 11:55 AM - रजिस्ट्रेशन करताना MAC ने
काही कायाशाळा घेणार आहे का
A MAC proposes to hold seminars to spread awareness about a lot of issues
about the GR that will come out: the seminars aim at: guiding
organisations, field instructors/leaders, individual participants and
parents who want to send their children on adventure programmes, etc.
MAC is also aiming to facilitate training workshops to be made available.
25. From Dhiren Talpade to Everyone: 11:56 AM - The different registrations
for different adventure activities - will it make sense to associate with
experts in those fields who have their registrations sorted and the
activities be carried on by them with due fees given by the organising
group?
A Such a decision will have to be taken by respective entity based on its
own resources and capacities. The present draft of the GR has a
guideline for a contracted party titled as ‘service provider’ which may be
referred to for guiding such a decision.
26. From Neeta Vaidya to Everyone: 11:58 AM - can we get the recording of
this meeting?
A From Vasant Limaye to Everyone: 11:59 AM -
Yes recording will be available!
27. From Rajesh Deshmukh to Everyone: 12:03 PM - To Balya and others. I
hope there will be some rules for arranging any kind of adventure
activities. Some kind of refreshing course for those who don't have any
kind of certificate or training by acknowledgement from reputed
institutions. like Endeavour course which was done at sinhgad.
A The present draft of the GR has some ‘rules’ in the form of some basic
mandatory requirements (like first aid qualification and experience of a
leader). MAC is also aiming to facilitate training workshops to be made
available.
28. From sankalpchaudhari to Everyone: 12:08 PM - if a person is central /
state govt. employee then officially he or his family member can not do
registration of trek group .what to do in this case ?
A Family outings are not covered in draft of GR. A government employee
can a) go out on their own, on their own responsibility (ensuring that
they have required competence) and/or b) participate in programmes
organised by others.
29. From Rahul Pendse to Everyone: 12:09 PM - to vasantlimaye....for kids
camps activities need to add medical history of each and every
participant...as well as every instructors...can we add in GRsafety for
organizers and instructors... not on insurance....please explain...not only
insurance...
A MAC will include all your suggestions in the consolidated suggestions
that MAC will forward to DoT, GoM.
MAC’s understanding of “guidelines”: all safety guidelines are meant for
the safety of both instructors/leaders as well as participants; each
guideline has a section for the paperwork that is to be with
instructor/leader which includes medical history of participants. There is
a brief response on insurance to an earlier question.
30. From Hemant - Offbeat Wanderers to Everyone: 12:09 PM - बऱ्याच िेळा ३/४
लोक असे लमळून ५/६ ग्रुप लोकलिाईड / सेिादेणारे याकडे िातात मि नतकडे
लोकलिाईड/सेिा देणारे हयाूंना ननयमािली आिश्यक आहे क्रक नाही (उदा. ललूंिाणा
क्लाइूंब, नाफ्ता क्लाइूंब, तैल-बैला, साूंधण, अलूंि-मदन, ििीर, िानरललूंिी ई.
दठकाणी लोकलिाईड करतात) त्यामुळे त्याूंच्याकडे लोक २/३/४ समूहाने िेले तर ?
A MAC’s understanding: Local guide is required to be registered as ‘service
provider’ as per the provisions in GR-draft. The non-clarity about number
of group members needs to be communicated to the government.
The implementation of such safety guidelines is an extremely
complicated challenge. Work related to safety guidelines that are relevant
to local populations needs to be done. At the moment, MAC would
recommend that a group leader follow whatever is under his/her control
and is supported by his/her organisation through the guidelines in the
present draft of the GR.
31. From Ashish Patankar RC MUMBAI JUHU to Everyone: 12:11 PM - how
does this affect a voluntary organisation NGO conducting trek for
specially abled, (free of cost)?
Any organisation that takes on the responsibility of participants needs
to be registered. Cost/profit is irrelevant because what is in focus is ‘who
bears the responsibility of safety of participants’. With specially-abled
people participating in adventure programmes, the responsibility is very
clearly on the organisation taking them out, and the field
instructors/leaders.
32. From Amol Joshi to Everyone: 12:11 PM - या मध्ये नक्की ग्रुप ट्रेक करता
कोणाकडे रजिस्ट्रेशन करायचे ि ते के ल्यािर ट्रेक ला परिानिी कोण देणार. कशी देणार
ि क्रकती ददिस आधी ती करािी लािणार हे साूंिािे. अमोल िोशी.Yuga adventure
and tours
A Application for Registration is online. No need of separate permission for
trek.
33. From Divyansh Ganatra to Everyone: 12:13 PM - have people with
disability been considered?
By default, yes: with disabled people participating in adventure
programmes, the responsibility is very clearly on the organisation taking
them out, and the field instructors/leaders.
BUT: there is no guideline that has taken into consideration the aspects
that are needed to be addressed for disabled persons. This is an area
where more work needs to be done.
From Avi Malik to Everyone: 12:17 PM - Hi Divyanshu, Wonderful to see
you here. Mac would like to invite you to help us to educate the
adventure community & the Government to form Guidelines for people
with disability to enjoy the Outdoors with greater Care & Safety.
34. From Abhijeet Patwardhan to Everyone: 12:13 PM - the procedures
should be practical, rather than ideological
A Noted
35. From Nilesh Kamtekar to Everyone: 12:13 PM - also need this meeting
recording on email id.
A Noted
36. From Anuj Khare NW to Everyone: 12:14 PM - for wildlife tourism NTCA
has been already been declared for Wildlife Tourism
A Discussed by Vasant Limaye on panel discussion and Anuj, please refer
to our response to your question above.
From diliplagu to Everyone: 12:15 PM - please send request /
suggestions by email to MAC - mahaadventurecouncil@gmail.com
37. From Arati Naik to Everyone: 12:16 PM - safety guidelines are there but
people who just check snaps in internet and cone for advanture or treak
with wrong explanation do we have any guidelines for participating ppl
A There are guidelines for individual participants and parents who want to
send their children on adventure programmes.
38. From Mahesh Kendurkar to Everyone: 12:17 PM - There is huge discussion
happening on social media unfortunately completely dividing trekking
community in two groups. Can this point be discussed in this forum to
ease out these differences and need to come up with constructive
suggestions collectively. currently the focus on discussion is on guidelines
only
A Point well taken and answered by Vasant Limaye during panel
discussion. MAC is not averse to any dialogue and will always take
positive actions to unite the field.
A From dilip lagu to Everyone: 12:17 PM - No one can control people
taking to outdoors on their own risk
39. From Mrudula to Everyone: 12:18 PM - Caves exploring sathikahi
provision aahekaya GR madhe?
A There is one guideline for caving in the present draft of the GR. MAC
welcomes suggestions from experienced cavers – when it does the next
revisions of its own guidelines.
40. From Bhavin Majethiya to Everyone: 12:19 PM - if the Activites are
conducted by a Vendor based in other state and unfortunately any
accident happens, Who will be held responsible for the same? Vendor or
the co. who has collected the payment from the customer?
A This will need more legal advice. The approach that MAC would like to
recommend: the organisation that conducts a programme should take
maximum care to ensure that its participants’ safety is maximised. There
are relevant guidelines for any organisation in the systems and processes
that it should adopt, and also for a contracted ‘party’ titled ‘guidelines
for service provider’.
41. From Yogesh Jahagirdar to Everyone: 12:19 PM - Does educational
institution clubs need registration? It is not commercial activity, but
organised by one of the staff member (mostly teacher) for larger number
of students, one day or an overnight.
A MAC’s understanding about the draft of GR: Any organisation that takes
on the responsibility of participants: cost/profit is irrelevant because
what is in focus is ‘who bears the responsibility of safety of participants’.
42. From Mrudula to Everyone: 12:20 PM - Enduro sarkhya competitions
sathikahi norms aahetka
A MAC’s point of view: a) Competitions should not come under the purview
of such provisions b) All events should address the concern of safety of
all field instructors/leaders and participants through appropriate systems
and processes as well as following safety guidelines.
43. From Ganesh magar to Everyone: 12:20 PM - सर मला रॉक क्लायबबूंि करायचूं
आहे आणण समोरच्या टीम चे सादहत्य योग्य आहे की नाही याची खारी मी करायला हिी,
क्रकूं िा ती टीम एक्सपटा आहे हे कसूं कळेल आम्हाूंला
A MAC’s understanding of draft of GR: There are specific guidelines to
guide choice of equipment – please refer to those guidelines. You can ask
the organising team to explain the suitability of its equipment.
44. From Abhijit Dandekar to Everyone: 12:21 PM - Highlining to be included
in the guidelines
A This is work for the future – today the community of highliners is very
small compared to other adventurers…
45. From AM - OL DESHPANDE to Everyone: 12:21 PM - If competitions are
exclude then does ENDURO type competitions are included are not?
A Please refer to response to Qn. 42 above.
46. From Pankaj Rajmachikar to Everyone: 12:21 PM - from the response of
Mr. Shirish in response to query on violation, clearly these guidelines of
the GR are mandatory and not only recommendatory. request to please
clarify the same.
A MAC is of the opinion that the guidelines should be ‘outside’ of the GR,
and is communicating the same to the government. Some guidelines
have some basic mandatory aspects (like first aid qualification).
47. Where can the registration rules be made more user friendly for non-profit
clubs?
A MAC is trying to communicate about registration fees to make it possible
for the smallest of small organisations to be able to function.
48. From RajendraPhadke to Everyone: 12:26 PM - We of insurance must
bring in importance
A MAC’s approach: clarify importance of insurance.
49. Pankaj Rajmachikar: on internal page 11 of the policy it is provided that
"Organizers based out of Maharashtra wishing to conduct adventure
activities within the state of Maharashtra must follow the process of
registration outlined under the Adventure Policy." hence the question is :
if you are a from Maharashtra, but carrying out adventure activities only
outside the state of Maharashtra then one does not need to register
under the Adventure Policy?
A This and related aspects need more clarification – MAC will include this
when seeking clarity from the government.
50. VikasKaduskar: माझ्या दृष्टीने ,हे अनतशय महत्िाचे मुद्दे आहेत , िर काही
कारणास्ति - by ignorance, by intension or by lack of knowledge िुन्हा झाला
तर, साहसी पयाटन सलमती कशाप्रकारे कायद्याच्या चौकटीत case ची बािू माूंडेल
आणण आयोिक कायद्याच्या धाकातून होणाऱ्या भ्रष्टाचारापासून कसे सूंरक्षण लमळिू
शकतात, त्यासाठी provisions हव्या.. आणण त्यात MAC सारखी सूंस्था त्याूंच्या
member साठी काय प्रकारचे मािादशान आणण सहकाया करू शके ल.. कायद्यात पण
सरकारकडून कोणत्या सुविधा उपलब्ध होतीलकारण सरकारी लोकाूंनी उद्या हयािर
traffic police सारखूं business model तयार के लूं तर विनाकारण िुन्हा दाखल
करायची भीती दाखिून पण हे लोकूं पैसे उकळायला सुरुिात करतील. आणण हयाला
विरोध करण्यास िैयजक्तक, organization पातळीिर सिळेच समथा असतील आणण
पाठपुरािा करू शकतील असे नाही.. MAC ने हया मुद्द्यािर आिच्या मीदटूंि मध्ये
मािादशान करािे
A MAC proposes to help review a case in order to throw clarity on the how
and why of an incident. As the MAC website states:
MAC is not a) A regulatory body b) A legal firm to fight cases for its
members in case of any mishap (It is possible that MAC would intervene
by investigating incident and state facts to the Government authorities)
भ्रष्टाचारापासून कसे सूंरक्षण लमळिू शकतात: this is way beyond the scope of
the functioning of MAC.
BUT: you have raised very pertinent and important points that need
further thought to see what more can be done by all of us, including MAC.
51. Pankaj Rajmachikar: Illustration : item No.4 in the Guidelines for
Mountaineering and Trekking – "The tools used for mountaineering and
trekking must be UIAA certified or accredited by Indian Mountaineering
Institute." If one does not use such tools and there is an accident, clearly
the leader or organiser will be held liable for violation.
A MAC’s point of view:
There is no ‘Indian Mountaineering Institute’ – so that needs to be
corrected in the draft of the GR. Our request to Govt is to delete this
statement from the draft GR.
MAC has submitted a detailed sheet of what equipment can be used on
adventure programmes, including alternatives for UIAA certified items.
The technical specification sheet, which is MAC’s suggestion, is also there
in the draft-GR published by Govt. of Maharashtra. Pls see pages 159 to
164 in the English version of draft-GR., for Marathi, see pages 131 to 134.
In MAC’s understanding, the ‘root cause’ of an accident may be due to
any of multiple factors and not only certification-status of equipment.
Some possible equipment-related reasons why an accident may happen:
- Appropriate certified equipment but improper use – points towards
wrong decisions and actions of instructors/leaders
- Appropriate certified equipment but incompetent instructors/leaders
– points towards wrong appointment of leaders/instructors
- Certified but inappropriate equipment
- Certified but damaged equipment which was unfit to be used
- Etc.
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Qn a panel-discussion-new-adventure-policy

  • 1. PANEL DISCUSSION ON THE NEW ADVENTURE POLICY EXPERT VASANT LIMAYE, DILIP LAGU,SHANTANU PANDIT,ABHAY GHANEKAR, AVI MALIK, RAJESH GADGIL, SHIRISH SAHASRABUDDHE ANCHOR DR.MILIND CHITLEY DATE 27 SEPTEMBER 2020 AT 11:00 AM - Note: 1. MAC would like to keep everyone updated about suggestions MAC is sending to the government. 2. MAC requests persons who have commented during the live webinar to please send in their email IDs – we will send you updates about the suggestions. QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS 1. Sunil Raj: In Policy it is mentioned that planning and conducting adventure activities in Maharashtra but in Appendix B Part 1 Mountaineering and Trekking??? A Hi Sunil, we do not exactly understand your question - please clarify your question so we can respond appropriately.
  • 2. 2. Sunil Raj: Annual report submission date should be 30 June A MAC will include this suggestion when compiling everyone’s suggestions 3. From Saurabh to Everyone: 11:11 AM - Most of the people would like to know covid guidelines for adventure sector... kindly enlighten us about it A Answered by Abhay Ghanekar in Session itself; MAC has its own guidelines for this on its website www.mahaadventurecouncil.org; you will also find similar documents on websites of organisations like UIAA, IMF and wilderness first aid organisations around the world. 4. From Prakash Kelkar to Everyone: 11:13 AM - I AM - a trekking enthusiast residing in Dubai. When I AM - on visit to India I do participate in outdoor activities in Maharashtra with family & friends. Now with the new procedure in GR do I have to take prior permissions and pay for this activity each time I engage in to, either as an individual or a group? A There are three parts to our response: a) Present draft of GR states restriction of five persons which is confusing – this is one of the points that all of us are seeking clarity on. b) MAC’s stand: such individual activity should not be regulated since all those who go do so on their own responsibility c) MAC recommends that such a group should anyway study guidelines relevant to adventure activity undertaken, as it will only help enhance safety. 5. From Prakash Walvekar to Everyone: 11:16 AM - एक सुचना कराविशी िाटते आहे. २०१७ च्या जि. आर. मधला गियाारोहण खेळ म्हणून असलेला भाि कायम ठेिून
  • 3. सदरचा भाि क्रिडा विभािाचे अखत्यारीत राहूूंदे ि साहसी उपिम या विषयािर पयाटन विभािाचे अखत्यारीत निीन येणारा जि.आर. लािू होऊदे.हा मध्यम मािा होऊ शकतो. A MAC will include this suggestion while compiling all suggestions. MAC’s stand is that the draft of this GR is only applicable to adventure activities (like mountaineering or rock climbing) that are only organised for participants (who participate only for recreational purpose and exercise no control over the activity). Adventure activities (e.g., Pinnacle Climbing or Peak climbing expeditions) undertaken on individual basis or by organisations like clubs on their own responsibility are not covered in this draft. Since there seems to be some confusion about this point we can suggest government to clarify the provisions. 6. From Akhil Desai to Everyone: 11:16 AM - what about the insurance availability for NRI & also for residents?? there are hardly any insurance companies who provide insurance for adventure activities India A There is one company now in India that brokers with insurance companies to provide policies specifically for adventure activities. This is still a developing field. MAC has had one dialogue with an entity abroad to get an idea about the status of this topic in that country, and our understanding is this is a complicated topic everywhere. The whole thing probably gets more complicated when one considers insurance for NRIs and foreigners. More study is needed. MAC would welcome contribution in the form of research and suggestions in this area! 7. From Nitin Bodas to Everyone: 11:17 AM - Myself Nitin Bodas, I AM - having my own business for adventure activities. My question is I do the activities for not more than 5 to 6 people at a time. So whether I required
  • 4. to prepare all the documents. Generally my participants came from out of our state, we do activity outside our state, still do I have to submit all documents required as per new GR ?. Any concession for document preparation in such case and not for registration with Govt. A MAC’s understanding about the draft of GR: all provisions are applicable to any entity engaged in organizing adventure activities for participants. The number-restriction is for individuals who go in groups. E.g., office colleagues, group of friends etc. 8. From Mrudula to Everyone: 11:17 AM - My company: Mabel Holidays, do organise Summer camps and Himalayan adventure trips. What kind of registration I will have to do? A MAC’s understanding about the draft of GR: your organis ation’s registration should follow all provisions stated in the draft of GR since they are applicable to any entity engaged in organizing adventure activities for participants. 9. From Anuj Khare NW to Everyone: 11:19 AM - how many wildlife tour operators were consulted and involved in this entire process while drafting the rules & regulations regarding wildlife Safaris. Why group of adventure experts have drafted wildlife SOPs. ? One person's view can be considered as view of the entire tour operators community. A Further to response given by Vasant Limaye during panel discussion: The guidelines created by MAC and sent to government certainly had gaps in some areas, and MAC was clear about not attempting to create guidelines where we did not have expertise.
  • 5. Since there is a directive from Central Ministry of Tourism to Government of Maharashtra to adopt the ATOAI guidelines, MAC decided to ‘fill a few gaps’ by respecting the ATOAI guidelines and add to it some content that was i) specific to Maharashtra (if relevant) and ii) as advised by Safety management System approach. Consider the example of wildlife safaris: a) MAC adopted the wildlife safari guideline of ATOAI b) MAC added to that document just the generic leadership content according to what the Safety Management System approach recommends c) MAC made sure that the leadership content mentions that all such safaris comply with existing legal requirements (with the knowledge that there already are existing laws and guidelines in the Forest Department and other concerned authorities like NTCA), and that the leader / instructor has copies of all compliance documents (along with other) d) MAC suggested to government to have a single-window registration process where hopefully such challenges will be taken care of While MAC keeps revising its own guidelines (we are on our 4th version), MAC does have its limitations primarily because all work is done on voluntary-basis. MAC would welcome people like you and your friends/colleagues to help this process; alternatively, you could write directly to the government in order to bring about a change as you see fit. It is true that MAC could have done more work on this, and also that the government could have done the same.
  • 6. 10. From Nitin bodas to Everyone: 11:22 AM - Myself Nitin Bodas from Pune, we have registered club for adventure. We do number of climbs only for members with no profit. Our activities restricted only for few members with contributing the actual charges. So with this new rule we will registered with govt. My question is whether we required to prepare all such documents and records which is must for profit making activities organised by other clubs. Also we do some practice activities before our major activity, does it comes under same rule?Another aspect is for last say 20 years we do activities with permission taken from forest dept. For stay, camp and activities. We have all records with us, still we have to follow all such rules given under new GR A MAC stand: If adventure activities (like rock climbing) are undertaken by climbers themselves and everybody is responsible for own safety then such activity is beyond the purview of the draft of the GR. So, rock climbing practice undertaken by rock climbers is beyond the purview of the draft of the GR. Stay at camp and conduct of activities are covered by draft of GR. But if they are falling under wildlife safaris then Vasant Limaye has replied to this question during panel discussion. 11. From Mrudula to Everyone: 11:24 AM - My daughter participate in climbing competitions. So is there any registration required for it? A Not required under the draft of this GR. Shirish Sahasrbuddhe has answered this question during panel discussion. 12. From Nitin bodas to Everyone: 11:26 AM - Another question is few resort do organise adventure activities, are they require to get registered with
  • 7. Govt. As generally some expert other than resort people held such activities at resort premises or near about places A MAC’s understanding of the draft of this GR: the organisations/resorts with whom a participant is enrolled are required to be registered. Also if external experts are providing such services to resorts then their organisation needs to be registered as service provider. The safety guideline for ‘service provider’ may be considered. 13. From Saurabh to Everyone: 11:28 AM - respective person must be certified with at least basic mountaineering course. So your safety will be assured otherwise Maharashtrian adventure activities are not life threatening if you follow the guidelines A MAC’s understanding of the draft of the GR: The guidelines refer to such qualification criteria – they vary from activity to activity. BMC does prepare a person for many leadership responsibilities but may not be enough by itself in many cases. Guidelines can definitely help lower risk in adventure programmes organised for participants anywhere including in Maharashtra. But it may be noted that risk can never be brought down to zero. 14. From Rajan Mahajan to Everyone: 11:29 AM - What's the difference in leader to participant ratios given on page 32, 56, 61, (English version) ?leader to participant ratio is not part of other land based activities like basic rock climbing, Pinnacle climbing, Rappelling, W. rappelling, rope course, valley crossing etc. Is it right ? A MAC’s point of view: the ratios given in a few guidelines are to be taken as ‘indicative’, a guiding example. Also, it is easier to state such
  • 8. examples for hikes, and much more difficult for any rock climbing project. More work is definitely required in this area. 15. From Saurabh to Everyone: 11:36 AM - I AM - a trekker as well as organizer..we have our own start up and we tie up with the respective people of rural respective spots.. what guidelines should respective people of adventure sector should follow? A MAC’s point of view: Thanks for asking such a crucial question! The implementation of such safety guidelines is an extremely complicated challenge for both, the government and all of us adventure programme organisers. Work related to safety guidelines that are relevant to local populations needs to be done. At the moment, MAC would recommend that a group leader follow whatever is under his/her control and is supported by his/her organisation through the guidelines of draft of GR. 16. From Ashish Patankar RC MUMBAI JUHU to Everyone: 11:38 AM - a compiled version of suggestions & objections by MAC should be circulated for others to support by email by individuals A Yes, as replied by Dilip Lagu in Panel discussion. 17. From Ashish Datar to Everyone: 11:41 AM - I AM - Ashish Datar from Pune, staying in the USA. Is it mandatory for people like me to register as per the new GR during yearly visits to India and going for hikes with friends? A No, as long as you and your group members hike on your own responsibility.
  • 9. From diliplagu to Everyone: 11:43 AM - Anyone visiting on his own does not require, registration. This GR applies mainly to organised activity where the inexperienced participants depend on organisers for safety 18. From Dhiren Talpade to Everyone: 11:41 AM - Once we have created our personal SOP for activities carried out by our group, AND done the respective registrations with the government authorities, THEN for every activity that we go for, will we be required to carry all our paper work, and which agencies would be competent to ask us to show our credentials? A MAC’s stand: The list of copies of papers suggested in the draft of the GR is comprehensive – any programme should carry with it only those documents that are relevant. There should be minimum burden of paperwork and no official apart from DoT should routinely ask for document except where it is required by law (e.g., inner line permits, forest permits, etc.). The qualifications of such a DoT official are not clear, and if there is a concern about this then MAC encourages people to write to GoM with reference to specific sections of the draft of the GR. 19. From Saurabh to Everyone: 11:42 AM - can we take police assistance if we r stopped by villagers on the way? In the current times, with uncertainty about what to do for protection of local communities from spread of COVID-19, villagers may have their own ‘rules’. You need to check whether there is any valid reason for such an act of being stopped. If there is no reason, you can take help of police. 20. From Hemant - Offbeat Wanderers to Everyone: 11:46 AM -
  • 10. A Thanks for detailed suggestions and your thoughts! MAC will include all your suggestions in the consolidated suggestions that MAC will forward to DoT, GoM. Some brief responses are as follows: 1) शासनाच्या प्रस्तावित मसुद्यात 1800मी. च्या खाली कु ठल्याही प्रकारची साहसी खेळ, सूंस्थेने ऑिानाइझ के लेले एकददिसीय हायक्रकूं ि, एकापेक्षा अगधक ददिसाूंचे ट्रेक्रकूंि क्रकूं िा क्रकूं िा जयाूंना कु णाला ग्रुप मधून सेिादेणाऱ्या कडून करायचे आहे तत्सम व्यक्तीना लािू होईल. 1800मी पेक्षा िास्त उूंचीिरच्या खेळाूंना IMF इूंडडयन मौटेननअररूंि फे डरेशन चे ननयम क्रकूं िा जिथे एक्सपीडडशन/गियाारोहण होत असेल नतथले ननयम लािू होतील.2) ऑनलाइन पोटाल िसे इव्हेंटहाय, थ्रीलोपेललया, बुकमायशो हयाूं सारख्या िर ननयमन हिे कारण कु ठल्याही प्रकारची रेक्की क्रकूं िा असेसमेंट न करता इव्हेंट असतात ऑनलाइन जयात सभासद डायरेक्ट सेिा-देणारे / local guide कडे िातात त्यामुळे सध्य िरील मसुद्यात हया दोघूंबद्दल पण िाईडलाइन याव्या. (उद्या सहभािी बोलतील इकडे एिढे फॉमा भरून देण्यापेक्षा अन रेस्रीकशन पेक्षा आपण तसे िाऊ असे नको व्हायला) They are covered 3) अूंनतम नोंदणी 3 िषाापेक्षा 5 िषा करािे अन त्यात पण दरिषी ररपोटा सबलमट कराियाचा आहे त्यामुळे ते 5 िषा करािे. Noted 4) तात्पुरती नोंदणी / अूंनतम नोंदणी मधील रुटी हया इमेल क्रकूं िा एस.एम.एस व्दारे कळिण्यात याव्या.
  • 11. Noted 5) अूंनतम नोंदणी शुल्क हे एका दठकाणाकरीता असेल म्हणिे िर मला राििड करािायचा असेल तर एक नोंदणी अन हरीशचनाद्र साठी दुसरी नोंदणी असे म्हणायचे आहे का? *(त्या पेक्षा सहयाद्री सूंपूणा असे ठेिािे.) This provision is only for air and water based adventure activities. 6) विम्यासूंधारबहात कूं पल्सरी करािे क्रकूं िा जया सहभािी व्यक्तीना विमा नको आहे त्याूंच्या कडून तसे डीक्लेरेशन घ्यािे. क्रकूं िा िेल्या मीदटूंि मध्ये साूंगितल्याप्रमाणे PM - SBY & PM - JJBY असािे िे कॉस्ट इफे जक्टव्ह आहे Noted 7) िावषाक अहिाल बाबतीतले मुद्दे स्पष्ट असािे. िसे अहिालात काय काय हिे. (देिाणघेिाण नसािी) फक्त इव्हेंट कु ठे होता क्रकती लोक होती हयाचा सूंदभा असािा. Noted 8) िलमनीिरील प्रकारात त्याभािातल्या िनविभाि चे ननयम लािू होतील (अगधक मादहती अपेक्षक्षत कारण माळशेि सारख्या दठकाणी ट्रेक करताना अडिले िाते पण त्याच अभयारण्यच्या मध्यभािी असलेल्या MTDC ररसॉटा म्हद्ये अिदी डीिे पण चालतो. कायदे समान असािे 🙏🏻 Noted
  • 12. 9) प्रपर ब (अगधक मादहती अपक्षीत) उदारणाथा आपण खूप लोक भारतीय मानाूंकन असलेलले हानेस ि इतर उपकरणे िापरतो ते समाविष्ट व्हािे Replied by Shirish Sahasrabuddhe in detail during panel discussion. 10) अपघाताची िबाबदारी ही त्यात्या सदस्याूंची राहील (िर सूंस्था दोषी आढळल्यास फक्त कारिाई) कारण सद्य मसुद्यात अपघात झाल्यास कारिाई असे नमूद के ले आहे MAC agrees that penal provisions are harsh and need to be rational and practical. Hey should not be genuine organisers. 11) दस्तऐिि- रेजिस्टर प्रत्येक िेळी घेऊन िाणे नाही होणार. (लािेल तेव्हा त्याची नोंद पूताता पुढील 15 ददिसात करण्यात येईल असे काही असािे) रजिस्टर सोबत असािे MAC agrees that there should be minimum burden of carrying document. 12) िोखीम मूल्याूंकन मान्यता कु णाकडुन करून घ्यािी (मान्यता देणाऱ्याचे नाि: त्या सूंस्था सदस्य का अिून कु णी) कारण बरेच ग्रुप अिोदर रेककी करून तसे करत नाही Organisation should use the guideline on risk management and the template given in the draft of the GR to create its own risk assessment document. 13) सेिादाता / local guide (हयाूंचे पण कु ठेतरी रेजिस्ट्रेशन हिे भले स्थाननक पाठळीिर पण हिे अन एक छोटी ननयमािली हिी) Registration is provided of service provider is compulsory.
  • 13. 14) हेललकॉप्टर कायाप्रणाली (अगधक मादहती) अिून पयंत सहयाद्रीम्हदे असे रेस्क्यू नाही झाले पण अशी मदत भेटणार असेल तर त्याला सरकार दरबार कडून एक अगधकृ त नूंबर असािा जयाला कॉल करून उपयोि घेऊ शकतो. It is an impractical provision in 2018 GR as well as current draft of GR about leaders knowing helicopter rescue process. If there are any such helicopter services we should obtain information about it! 15) ररव्हर िॉलसूंि म्हद्ये लाइफ िॅके ट सोडून बाकी सिा िोष्टी समाविष्ट आहे हे पण करािे 🙏16) क्रफक्स कॅ म्पसाईट साठी (िसे भूंडारदरा / पिना सारखे )काही मािादशान तत्िे नाही आलीय िसे लेकसाईड क्रकूं िा ररव्हरसाईड कॅ म्प असतात त्यानूं साठी िी आहे ते 8000 फू ट च्या खालचे असे नमूद के ले आहे. सहयाद्रीत कु ठलीही कॅ म्पसाइट १६०० मीटर पेक्षा उूंच नाहीये. हयासाठी एक लसूंिल रेजिस्ट्रेशन हिे कारण बऱ्याच िेळा फॉरेस्ट / पोलीस / ग्रामपूंचायत िेििेिळे ननयम िे अस्तीव्तात नाही ते लािू करतात A MAC’s understanding of draft of GR: Location based registration is expected only for air and water based activities. Registration and payment are not required for land-based activities for different locations in Maharashtra. From dilip lagu to Everyone: 11:47 AM - Location based registration is currently expected for Air and Water based activities only. Not for land based activities.
  • 14. 21. From SachinMadane to Everyone: 11:50 - उद्या दोन experence climbers िर दोन तीन निोददत climbers ना बरोबर घेऊन िेले तर त्याला हे organized म्हणणार का ? A If two such novices go as “participants’ where they state that they are dependent for their safety on experienced instructors/leaders, then yes, the provisions are applicable. If such novices go on their own responsibility as members of the climbing Further discussion is needed for a better way to distinguish between such operations. From diliplagu to Everyone: 11:52 AM - This is tricky. The new comers have to ask themselves… will they blame the experienced participants if something goes wrong... 22. From Saurabh Oka to Everyone: 11:51 AM - Pinnacle climbing Chie f Instructor guidelines can be AM - ended a bit. AM - C may not be compulsory. And experience of at least 2 pinnacles be added. A MAC will include your suggestions in the consolidated suggestions that MAC will forward to DoT, GoM. MAC will also consider your suggestions when revising its own guidelines. 23. From KalyaniKarmarkar to Everyone: 11:52 AM - I AM - Kalyani Karmarkar Pune my question is to Shirish Sahasrabhuddhe..I have purchased hardware 12mm kernel metal rope, as per new rules...is it allowed to use this rope or not ?
  • 15. A A 12 mm. kernmantle rope is good to be used if the rope is i) used for activities it is meant for; e.g., use will depend on whether it is static or dynamic ii) if it meets UIAA certification standards; note that there are Indian companies today that sell UIAA certified ropes or ropes that meet UIAA certification standards iii) accompanied by information about the rope specs given by the manufacturer. 24. From Hrishikesh Ubhe to Everyone: 11:55 AM - रजिस्ट्रेशन करताना MAC ने काही कायाशाळा घेणार आहे का A MAC proposes to hold seminars to spread awareness about a lot of issues about the GR that will come out: the seminars aim at: guiding organisations, field instructors/leaders, individual participants and parents who want to send their children on adventure programmes, etc. MAC is also aiming to facilitate training workshops to be made available. 25. From Dhiren Talpade to Everyone: 11:56 AM - The different registrations for different adventure activities - will it make sense to associate with experts in those fields who have their registrations sorted and the activities be carried on by them with due fees given by the organising group? A Such a decision will have to be taken by respective entity based on its own resources and capacities. The present draft of the GR has a guideline for a contracted party titled as ‘service provider’ which may be referred to for guiding such a decision. 26. From Neeta Vaidya to Everyone: 11:58 AM - can we get the recording of this meeting? A From Vasant Limaye to Everyone: 11:59 AM -
  • 16. Yes recording will be available! 27. From Rajesh Deshmukh to Everyone: 12:03 PM - To Balya and others. I hope there will be some rules for arranging any kind of adventure activities. Some kind of refreshing course for those who don't have any kind of certificate or training by acknowledgement from reputed institutions. like Endeavour course which was done at sinhgad. A The present draft of the GR has some ‘rules’ in the form of some basic mandatory requirements (like first aid qualification and experience of a leader). MAC is also aiming to facilitate training workshops to be made available. 28. From sankalpchaudhari to Everyone: 12:08 PM - if a person is central / state govt. employee then officially he or his family member can not do registration of trek group .what to do in this case ? A Family outings are not covered in draft of GR. A government employee can a) go out on their own, on their own responsibility (ensuring that they have required competence) and/or b) participate in programmes organised by others. 29. From Rahul Pendse to Everyone: 12:09 PM - to vasantlimaye....for kids camps activities need to add medical history of each and every participant...as well as every instructors...can we add in GRsafety for organizers and instructors... not on insurance....please explain...not only insurance... A MAC will include all your suggestions in the consolidated suggestions that MAC will forward to DoT, GoM.
  • 17. MAC’s understanding of “guidelines”: all safety guidelines are meant for the safety of both instructors/leaders as well as participants; each guideline has a section for the paperwork that is to be with instructor/leader which includes medical history of participants. There is a brief response on insurance to an earlier question. 30. From Hemant - Offbeat Wanderers to Everyone: 12:09 PM - बऱ्याच िेळा ३/४ लोक असे लमळून ५/६ ग्रुप लोकलिाईड / सेिादेणारे याकडे िातात मि नतकडे लोकलिाईड/सेिा देणारे हयाूंना ननयमािली आिश्यक आहे क्रक नाही (उदा. ललूंिाणा क्लाइूंब, नाफ्ता क्लाइूंब, तैल-बैला, साूंधण, अलूंि-मदन, ििीर, िानरललूंिी ई. दठकाणी लोकलिाईड करतात) त्यामुळे त्याूंच्याकडे लोक २/३/४ समूहाने िेले तर ? A MAC’s understanding: Local guide is required to be registered as ‘service provider’ as per the provisions in GR-draft. The non-clarity about number of group members needs to be communicated to the government. The implementation of such safety guidelines is an extremely complicated challenge. Work related to safety guidelines that are relevant to local populations needs to be done. At the moment, MAC would recommend that a group leader follow whatever is under his/her control and is supported by his/her organisation through the guidelines in the present draft of the GR. 31. From Ashish Patankar RC MUMBAI JUHU to Everyone: 12:11 PM - how does this affect a voluntary organisation NGO conducting trek for specially abled, (free of cost)? Any organisation that takes on the responsibility of participants needs to be registered. Cost/profit is irrelevant because what is in focus is ‘who
  • 18. bears the responsibility of safety of participants’. With specially-abled people participating in adventure programmes, the responsibility is very clearly on the organisation taking them out, and the field instructors/leaders. 32. From Amol Joshi to Everyone: 12:11 PM - या मध्ये नक्की ग्रुप ट्रेक करता कोणाकडे रजिस्ट्रेशन करायचे ि ते के ल्यािर ट्रेक ला परिानिी कोण देणार. कशी देणार ि क्रकती ददिस आधी ती करािी लािणार हे साूंिािे. अमोल िोशी.Yuga adventure and tours A Application for Registration is online. No need of separate permission for trek. 33. From Divyansh Ganatra to Everyone: 12:13 PM - have people with disability been considered? By default, yes: with disabled people participating in adventure programmes, the responsibility is very clearly on the organisation taking them out, and the field instructors/leaders. BUT: there is no guideline that has taken into consideration the aspects that are needed to be addressed for disabled persons. This is an area where more work needs to be done. From Avi Malik to Everyone: 12:17 PM - Hi Divyanshu, Wonderful to see you here. Mac would like to invite you to help us to educate the adventure community & the Government to form Guidelines for people with disability to enjoy the Outdoors with greater Care & Safety. 34. From Abhijeet Patwardhan to Everyone: 12:13 PM - the procedures should be practical, rather than ideological
  • 19. A Noted 35. From Nilesh Kamtekar to Everyone: 12:13 PM - also need this meeting recording on email id. A Noted 36. From Anuj Khare NW to Everyone: 12:14 PM - for wildlife tourism NTCA has been already been declared for Wildlife Tourism A Discussed by Vasant Limaye on panel discussion and Anuj, please refer to our response to your question above. From diliplagu to Everyone: 12:15 PM - please send request / suggestions by email to MAC - mahaadventurecouncil@gmail.com 37. From Arati Naik to Everyone: 12:16 PM - safety guidelines are there but people who just check snaps in internet and cone for advanture or treak with wrong explanation do we have any guidelines for participating ppl A There are guidelines for individual participants and parents who want to send their children on adventure programmes. 38. From Mahesh Kendurkar to Everyone: 12:17 PM - There is huge discussion happening on social media unfortunately completely dividing trekking community in two groups. Can this point be discussed in this forum to ease out these differences and need to come up with constructive suggestions collectively. currently the focus on discussion is on guidelines only A Point well taken and answered by Vasant Limaye during panel discussion. MAC is not averse to any dialogue and will always take positive actions to unite the field.
  • 20. A From dilip lagu to Everyone: 12:17 PM - No one can control people taking to outdoors on their own risk 39. From Mrudula to Everyone: 12:18 PM - Caves exploring sathikahi provision aahekaya GR madhe? A There is one guideline for caving in the present draft of the GR. MAC welcomes suggestions from experienced cavers – when it does the next revisions of its own guidelines. 40. From Bhavin Majethiya to Everyone: 12:19 PM - if the Activites are conducted by a Vendor based in other state and unfortunately any accident happens, Who will be held responsible for the same? Vendor or the co. who has collected the payment from the customer? A This will need more legal advice. The approach that MAC would like to recommend: the organisation that conducts a programme should take maximum care to ensure that its participants’ safety is maximised. There are relevant guidelines for any organisation in the systems and processes that it should adopt, and also for a contracted ‘party’ titled ‘guidelines for service provider’. 41. From Yogesh Jahagirdar to Everyone: 12:19 PM - Does educational institution clubs need registration? It is not commercial activity, but organised by one of the staff member (mostly teacher) for larger number of students, one day or an overnight. A MAC’s understanding about the draft of GR: Any organisation that takes on the responsibility of participants: cost/profit is irrelevant because what is in focus is ‘who bears the responsibility of safety of participants’.
  • 21. 42. From Mrudula to Everyone: 12:20 PM - Enduro sarkhya competitions sathikahi norms aahetka A MAC’s point of view: a) Competitions should not come under the purview of such provisions b) All events should address the concern of safety of all field instructors/leaders and participants through appropriate systems and processes as well as following safety guidelines. 43. From Ganesh magar to Everyone: 12:20 PM - सर मला रॉक क्लायबबूंि करायचूं आहे आणण समोरच्या टीम चे सादहत्य योग्य आहे की नाही याची खारी मी करायला हिी, क्रकूं िा ती टीम एक्सपटा आहे हे कसूं कळेल आम्हाूंला A MAC’s understanding of draft of GR: There are specific guidelines to guide choice of equipment – please refer to those guidelines. You can ask the organising team to explain the suitability of its equipment. 44. From Abhijit Dandekar to Everyone: 12:21 PM - Highlining to be included in the guidelines A This is work for the future – today the community of highliners is very small compared to other adventurers… 45. From AM - OL DESHPANDE to Everyone: 12:21 PM - If competitions are exclude then does ENDURO type competitions are included are not? A Please refer to response to Qn. 42 above. 46. From Pankaj Rajmachikar to Everyone: 12:21 PM - from the response of Mr. Shirish in response to query on violation, clearly these guidelines of the GR are mandatory and not only recommendatory. request to please clarify the same.
  • 22. A MAC is of the opinion that the guidelines should be ‘outside’ of the GR, and is communicating the same to the government. Some guidelines have some basic mandatory aspects (like first aid qualification). 47. Where can the registration rules be made more user friendly for non-profit clubs? A MAC is trying to communicate about registration fees to make it possible for the smallest of small organisations to be able to function. 48. From RajendraPhadke to Everyone: 12:26 PM - We of insurance must bring in importance A MAC’s approach: clarify importance of insurance. 49. Pankaj Rajmachikar: on internal page 11 of the policy it is provided that "Organizers based out of Maharashtra wishing to conduct adventure activities within the state of Maharashtra must follow the process of registration outlined under the Adventure Policy." hence the question is : if you are a from Maharashtra, but carrying out adventure activities only outside the state of Maharashtra then one does not need to register under the Adventure Policy? A This and related aspects need more clarification – MAC will include this when seeking clarity from the government. 50. VikasKaduskar: माझ्या दृष्टीने ,हे अनतशय महत्िाचे मुद्दे आहेत , िर काही कारणास्ति - by ignorance, by intension or by lack of knowledge िुन्हा झाला तर, साहसी पयाटन सलमती कशाप्रकारे कायद्याच्या चौकटीत case ची बािू माूंडेल आणण आयोिक कायद्याच्या धाकातून होणाऱ्या भ्रष्टाचारापासून कसे सूंरक्षण लमळिू
  • 23. शकतात, त्यासाठी provisions हव्या.. आणण त्यात MAC सारखी सूंस्था त्याूंच्या member साठी काय प्रकारचे मािादशान आणण सहकाया करू शके ल.. कायद्यात पण सरकारकडून कोणत्या सुविधा उपलब्ध होतीलकारण सरकारी लोकाूंनी उद्या हयािर traffic police सारखूं business model तयार के लूं तर विनाकारण िुन्हा दाखल करायची भीती दाखिून पण हे लोकूं पैसे उकळायला सुरुिात करतील. आणण हयाला विरोध करण्यास िैयजक्तक, organization पातळीिर सिळेच समथा असतील आणण पाठपुरािा करू शकतील असे नाही.. MAC ने हया मुद्द्यािर आिच्या मीदटूंि मध्ये मािादशान करािे A MAC proposes to help review a case in order to throw clarity on the how and why of an incident. As the MAC website states: MAC is not a) A regulatory body b) A legal firm to fight cases for its members in case of any mishap (It is possible that MAC would intervene by investigating incident and state facts to the Government authorities) भ्रष्टाचारापासून कसे सूंरक्षण लमळिू शकतात: this is way beyond the scope of the functioning of MAC. BUT: you have raised very pertinent and important points that need further thought to see what more can be done by all of us, including MAC. 51. Pankaj Rajmachikar: Illustration : item No.4 in the Guidelines for Mountaineering and Trekking – "The tools used for mountaineering and trekking must be UIAA certified or accredited by Indian Mountaineering Institute." If one does not use such tools and there is an accident, clearly the leader or organiser will be held liable for violation.
  • 24. A MAC’s point of view: There is no ‘Indian Mountaineering Institute’ – so that needs to be corrected in the draft of the GR. Our request to Govt is to delete this statement from the draft GR. MAC has submitted a detailed sheet of what equipment can be used on adventure programmes, including alternatives for UIAA certified items. The technical specification sheet, which is MAC’s suggestion, is also there in the draft-GR published by Govt. of Maharashtra. Pls see pages 159 to 164 in the English version of draft-GR., for Marathi, see pages 131 to 134. In MAC’s understanding, the ‘root cause’ of an accident may be due to any of multiple factors and not only certification-status of equipment. Some possible equipment-related reasons why an accident may happen: - Appropriate certified equipment but improper use – points towards wrong decisions and actions of instructors/leaders - Appropriate certified equipment but incompetent instructors/leaders – points towards wrong appointment of leaders/instructors - Certified but inappropriate equipment - Certified but damaged equipment which was unfit to be used - Etc. - end of document -