Knapp.Kevin deposition transcript For Haverhill vs. DTC case

In the Matter Of:
Town of Haverhill vs Donahue Tucker & Ciandella
215-2023-CV-00241
KEVIN KNAPP
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·1· · · · · · · · ·STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE
·2· ·GRAFTON, SS.· · · · · · · · · · ·SUPERIOR COURT
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·5· ·TOWN OF HAVERHILL· · · )
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·6· · · VS.· · · · · · · · ·)· · · · ·DOCKET NO.:
· · · · · · · · · · · · · · )· · · · ·215-2023-CV-00241
·7· ·DONAHUE, TUCKER &· · · )
· · ·CIANDELLA, PLLC· · · · )
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11· · · · · · · ·DEPOSITION OF KEVIN KNAPP
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· · · · Deposition taken at the Robert E. Clifford
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· · · · Memorial Building, 65 South Court Street,
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· · · · Woodsville, New Hampshire, on Tuesday, May 21,
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· · · · 2024, commencing at 12:11 p.m.
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18· · · Court Reporter:
19· · · Dawn L. Griffin-Smith, LCR
· · · · New Hampshire LCR #108 (RSA 310-A:161-181)
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·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·APPEARANCES
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·3· ·Representing the Plaintiff:
·4· · · · · · DEREK E. KLINE
· · · · · · · P.O. Box 1577
·5· · · · · · Center Harbor, NH· 03226
· · · · · · · By:· Derek E. Kline, Esq.
·6· · · · · · · · ·(603) 707-1721
· · · · · · · · · ·derekekline@gmail.com
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·9· ·Representing the Defendants:
10· · · · · · GORDON REES SCULLY MANSUKHANI
· · · · · · · 66 Hanover Street
11· · · · · · Manchester, NH· 03101
· · · · · · · By:· James L. Soucy, Esq.
12· · · · · · · · ·(603) 782-0408
· · · · · · · · · ·jsoucy@grsm.com
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· · ·Also Present: Christopher Hawkins
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· · · · · · · · · · · · · STIPULATIONS
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· · · · · ·It is agreed that the deposition shall be taken
18· ·in the first instance in stenotype and when transcribed
· · ·may be used for all purposes for which depositions are
19· ·competent under New Hampshire practice.
20· · · · ·Notice, filing, caption and all other formalities
· · ·are waived.· All objections except as to form are
21· ·reserved and may be taken in court at time of trial.
22· · · · ·It is further agreed that if the deposition is
· · ·not signed within 30 days, the signature of the
23· ·deponent is waived.
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·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · I N D E X
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·3· · · ·WITNESS:
·4· · · · ·KEVIN KNAPP
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·7· · · ·EXAMINATION:· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · Page
·8· · · · ·By Mr. Soucy· ·. . . . . . . . . . .· · 5, 119
·9· · · · ·By Mr. Kline· ·. . . . . . . . . . .· · ·67
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11· · · ·EXHIBITS FOR IDENTIFICATION:
12· · · · ·KNAPP· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·Page
13· ·Exhibit 1· · ·1/14/23 Email· · · · · · · · · · 25
14· ·Exhibit 2· · ·1/6/23 Email
· · · · · · · · · ·(Codling Exhibit 9)· · · · · · · 53
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· · ·Exhibit 3· · ·1/4/23 Email· · · · · · · · · · ·59
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· · ·Exhibit 4· · ·Town of Haverhill Meeting
17· · · · · · · · ·Minutes 1/17/23· · · · · · · · · 59
18· ·Exhibit 5· · ·Town of Haverhill Standard
· · · · · · · · · ·Operating Procedures· · · · · · ·68
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· · ·Exhibit 6· · ·Town of Haverhill Nonpublic
20· · · · · · · · ·Meeting Minutes 3/6/20
· · · · · · · · · ·(Codling Exhibit 1)· · · · · · · 70
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· · ·Exhibit 7· · ·Town of Haverhill Meeting
22· · · · · · · · ·Minutes 4/25/22· · · · · · · · · 72
23· ·Exhibit 8· · ·12/22/22 Letter· · · · · · · · · 74
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·1· · · ·EXHIBITS FOR IDENTIFICATION CONT.:
·2· · · · ·KNAPP· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·Page
·3· ·Exhibit 9· · ·Town of Haverhill Meeting
· · · · · · · · · ·Minutes 9/26/22· · · · · · · · · 77
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· · ·Exhibit 10· · 10/19/22 Email· · · · · · · · · ·82
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· · ·Exhibit 11· · 11/23/22 Email· · · · · · · · · ·90
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· · ·Exhibit 12· · 1/5/23 Email· · · · · · · · · · ·92
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· · ·Exhibit 13· · Town of Haverhill Nonpublic
·8· · · · · · · · ·Meeting Minutes 1/3/23· · · · · ·93
·9· ·Exhibit 14· · 1/10/23 Email· · · · · · · · · · 95
10· ·Exhibit 15· · 1/11/23 Email· · · · · · · · · · 96
11· ·Exhibit 16· · Town of Haverhill Meeting
· · · · · · · · · ·Minutes 1/12/23· · · · · · · · · 97
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· · ·Exhibit 17· · 1/23/23 Letter· · · · · · · · · 100
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· · ·Exhibit 18· · 1/31/23 Letter· · · · · · · · · 102
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· · ·Exhibit 19· · Town of Haverhill Meeting
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16· ·Exhibit 20· · Invoice· · · · · · · · · · · · ·115
17· ·Exhibit 21· · 5/15/24 Email
· · · · · · · · · ·(Codling Exhibit 3)· · · · · · ·118
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· · · ·returned to Attorney Soucy.· Scanned copies provided
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·1· · · · · · · · · · P R O C E E D I N G S
·2· · · · · · · · · · · · KEVIN KNAPP,
·3· · · · having been duly sworn by the Court Reporter,
·4· · · · · · was deposed and testified as follows:
·5· · · · · · · · · · · · *************
·6· · · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
·7· ·BY MR. SOUCY:
·8· ·Q.· So everything that we are going to say, questions
·9· · · ·I'm going to ask, answers that you're going to give
10· · · ·in response to those questions, is all initially
11· · · ·being taken down by the stenographer here, and then
12· · · ·there'll be a printed transcript of everything I
13· · · ·say, everything you say.
14· · · · · · · · ·You'll have a chance to go through it and
15· · · ·review it, make any changes, errors -- I don't want
16· · · ·to say that too harshly -- but any errors that get
17· · · ·typed out you will have a chance to go back through
18· · · ·it.
19· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Before we get started we'll
20· · · ·put the usual stipulations on?
21· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Yes.
22· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Lawyer talk.· Don't worry
23· · · ·about that.
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·1· · · · · · · · ·But usual stipulations.
·3· ·Q.· Since everything is being typed our verbatim, or
·4· · · ·word for word, for the record, the transcript
·5· · · ·itself, can you state your name and spell your last
·6· · · ·name?
·7· ·A.· Kevin Knapp.· K-N-A-P-P.
·8· ·Q.· And, Mr. Knapp, have you ever had your deposition
·9· · · ·taken before?
10· ·A.· Negative.
11· ·Q.· Okay.· So what I will do, and I'm going to presume
12· · · ·that Attorney Kline has already gone over this with
13· · · ·you, but I will go over what the attorneys
14· · · ·generally refer to as sort of usual ground rules.
15· · · · · · · · ·The first of which, because this is being
16· · · ·transcribed or typed out, when I'm asking my
17· · · ·questions, that you wait until I ask my full
18· · · ·question before you provide your answer just so
19· · · ·it's on separate lines, things don't get confused;
20· · · ·is that okay?
21· ·A.· Yes, sir.
22· ·Q.· With respect to my questions, again, it's being
23· · · ·typed out, I ask my question.· If you could
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·1· · · ·remember to provide an answer back to my question
·2· · · ·in either, little bit more formal, a yes or a no
·3· · · ·and then whatever else, whatever other information
·4· · · ·you believe is responsive or will answer my
·5· · · ·question.
·6· · · · · · · · ·Try not to, as we regularly do in sort of
·7· · · ·normal conversations, do uh-huh or uh-uh or
·8· · · ·something like, it just doesn't type out well on
·9· · · ·the transcript.· So I'd ask you to give a yes or a
10· · · ·no or and then the rest of your answer, okay?
11· ·A.· Okay.
12· ·Q.· If at any point in time after I've asked my
13· · · ·question there's anything about it that you don't
14· · · ·understand, don't assume you're the only one in the
15· · · ·room that doesn't understand.· Attorneys ask very
16· · · ·poor or poorly worded questions fairly regularly.
17· · · ·Don't presume you don't understand it; it's
18· · · ·probably that I've just asked a bad question.· So
19· · · ·if you don't understand, just let me know, okay?
20· ·A.· Okay.
21· ·Q.· And after, in fact, when that happens, if that
22· · · ·happens, I now know didn't understand it.· I have
23· · · ·done a bad job.· I will reask the question a
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·1· · · ·different way or break it into two questions,
·2· · · ·whatever has to be done.· But just let me know.
·3· · · · · · · · ·One of the other things is we can stop
·4· · · ·and take a break, don't know how long we are going
·5· · · ·to go, but if you need to take a break or one of us
·6· · · ·needs to take a break, we'll stop transcribing;
·7· · · ·we'll go off the record so nothing will be typed.
·8· · · · · · · · ·The only thing I will ask is if you need
·9· · · ·to take a break is that you wait, if I have asked a
10· · · ·question, we wait until you give me your answer
11· · · ·just so we have a clean break or a clean stop to
12· · · ·the transcript and we know exactly where we are
13· · · ·picking back up; okay?
14· ·A.· Okay.
15· ·Q.· All right.· So currently what role or position do
16· · · ·you have within or for the Town of Haverhill?
17· ·A.· Selectman.
18· ·Q.· Okay.· When did you first start serving as a
19· · · ·selectman for the Town of Haverhill?
20· ·A.· March 2022, I believe, yes.
21· ·Q.· And so you recently went up for reelection and were
22· · · ·successful?
23· ·A.· Negative.
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·1· ·Q.· Okay.· So that -- oh, you're still in your first --
·2· ·A.· First time.
·3· ·Q.· -- first term?· Okay.· Two --
·4· ·A.· Three years.
·5· ·Q.· Three-year term.· Okay.· So with respect to Town
·6· · · ·Manager Codling, what is your understanding as to
·7· · · ·what powers she has with respect to this DRA tax
·8· · · ·rate settings issue that came before the town?
·9· ·A.· I don't believe I can verbatimly answer that
10· · · ·question.
11· ·Q.· Okay.
12· ·A.· I know our roles and responsibilities fell under
13· · · ·RSA 37, but I don't know exactly verbatim what it
14· · · ·says about DRA.
15· ·Q.· Okay.· What, what powers and abilities did the
16· · · ·board of selectmen have during that same time when
17· · · ·this DRA tax setting issue was in front of the
18· · · ·town?
19· ·A.· I guess the board took the role of trying to get it
20· · · ·set.· I don't really know an answer to that one
21· · · ·either.
22· ·Q.· Okay.· That's fine.· With respect to the tax
23· · · ·setting issue that the town had to deal with, is it
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·1· · · ·your understanding that the board of selectmen had
·2· · · ·the power to try to resolve it?
·3· ·A.· Yes.
·4· ·Q.· Okay.· We have, in other depositions we have asked
·5· · · ·or Ms. Codling has been asked about a prior board,
·6· · · ·as I understand it, but a prior board of selectmen
·7· · · ·giving her or delegating to her the authority and
·8· · · ·the power to handle matters relating to, legal
·9· · · ·matters relating to Woodsville.· Are you, what is
10· · · ·your familiarity with that?
11· ·A.· I don't remember the dates on the minutes. I
12· · · ·wasn't there for that meeting, that was before I
13· · · ·was on the board.· I took it as she had full
14· · · ·authority over the Woodsville lawsuit.
15· ·Q.· Okay.· When you say "full authority," and this is
16· · · ·based upon your understanding, did Ms. Codling as
17· · · ·town manager, having quote/unquote full authority
18· · · ·over legal matters relating to Woodsville, is it
19· · · ·your understanding that because she had that power
20· · · ·and authority that the board of selectmen had no
21· · · ·power or authority?
22· ·A.· No.
23· ·Q.· So then is it your understanding that when the
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·1· · · ·prior board of selectmen delegated that authority
·2· · · ·with respect to legal matters relating to
·3· · · ·Woodsville that she could go out and do things or
·4· · · ·get things done without, you know, step by step
·5· · · ·having to come back each time to the board of
·6· · · ·selectmen?
·7· ·A.· Yes.
·8· ·Q.· Okay.· While you've been on the board of selectmen,
·9· · · ·who else, meaning which other members, also have
10· · · ·the same understanding as you, which is with
11· · · ·respect to legal matters relating to Woodsville,
12· · · ·that the town manager can take action on behalf of
13· · · ·the town, but the board of selectmen still also had
14· · · ·power?· Who are the other members that you've
15· · · ·worked with on the board of selectmen that have the
16· · · ·same opinion as you?
17· ·A.· I can't answer for other board members.
18· ·Q.· Okay.· Who do you, who do you understand has the
19· · · ·same understanding as you?
20· ·A.· I would say the entire board, previous board.
21· ·Q.· Okay.· Are there any members of the current board
22· · · ·of selectmen who don't, as far as you understand
23· · · ·it, don't share that same opinion or assessment as
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·1· · · ·you do?
·2· ·A.· I do not know that.
·3· ·Q.· Okay.· Do you recall a motion during a public
·4· · · ·meeting in which you made a motion to terminate or
·5· · · ·end Town Manager Codling's power in connection with
·6· · · ·legal matters relating to Woodsville?
·7· ·A.· Yes, I made that motion.
·8· ·Q.· Okay.· Why did you make that motion?
·9· ·A.· I felt it was the board's responsibility for the
10· · · ·climate in the town to take over matters, there was
11· · · ·a lot of finger-pointing.· And I believe as elected
12· · · ·officials we had a better grasp on what people want
13· · · ·in town.
14· ·Q.· Okay.· Were there any other reasons in addition to
15· · · ·those?
16· ·A.· No.
17· ·Q.· Okay.· And what happened with the motion that you
18· · · ·made?
19· ·A.· It died without a second.
20· ·Q.· Okay.· Do you know why none of the other members, I
21· · · ·will say stepped up, but offered to second the
22· · · ·motion that you made?
23· ·A.· I could not answer that.
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·1· ·Q.· So you haven't had any conversations or discussions
·2· · · ·with any of the members that were on the board at
·3· · · ·that time?
·4· ·A.· I don't want to say I didn't have discussions right
·5· · · ·after that meeting, but I don't remember.
·6· ·Q.· Okay.· So what do you recall about the
·7· · · ·January 10th, 2023, emergency meeting that the
·8· · · ·board held with respect to DTC Lawyers, or I will
·9· · · ·say out the full, Donahue, Tucker, Ciandella, in
10· · · ·representing the town?· About that January meeting,
11· · · ·what do you recall about that?
12· ·A.· I remember it was a short meeting.· Two people were
13· · · ·there for -- oh, what do you call them -- two
14· · · ·people in the public were there.· When the town
15· · · ·said that they couldn't have Drummond Woodsum
16· · · ·represent us as attorneys for the DRA issue,
17· · · ·Jennifer went ahead and found DTC, and we said to
18· · · ·hire them.
19· ·Q.· So what would be your response if Jennifer, the
20· · · ·assistant town manager that you've referred to,
21· · · ·what would be your response if Jennifer and/or Town
22· · · ·Manager Codling have the opinion that the only
23· · · ·thing that the board as a result of that
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·1· · · ·January 10th meeting was that they were instructed
·2· · · ·or asked to go and make contact with DTC, not
·3· · · ·actually to hire them?
·4· ·A.· I guess they did what they did.· I can't answer for
·5· · · ·them.· But I know I stood up and I know Steve
·6· · · ·Robbins stood up and we pointed at them and said to
·7· · · ·hire them.
·8· ·Q.· Okay.· So based upon you being there, your
·9· · · ·experience, your understanding, there really isn't
10· · · ·any basis for them to have either a different
11· · · ·opinion or a lack of clarity if something was,
12· · · ·occurred that clear?
13· ·A.· I thought it was clear as day.
14· ·Q.· Yeah.· Okay.· What do you recall about what had
15· · · ·been going on that you and the other board members
16· · · ·made the decision, Okay, you know, it's not
17· · · ·happening with Drummond Woodsum.· We need to get,
18· · · ·you know, a different attorney or different group
19· · · ·of attorneys on this DRA issue.· What had gone on
20· · · ·to bring that about?
21· ·A.· It was all kind of not real clear.· I mean,
22· · · ·everything came on within a week.· Misinformed, the
23· · · ·board was misinformed plus put in a hard spot due
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·1· · · ·to didn't have funds to continue operations.
·2· ·Q.· And was put in a hard spot because of what position
·3· · · ·the DRA took, that it wasn't going to set the tax
·4· · · ·rate?
·5· ·A.· Correct.
·6· ·Q.· Okay.· And then what had happened with respect to
·7· · · ·Drummond Woodsum?· Or maybe the better question is
·8· · · ·what didn't Drummond Woodsum do in that specific
·9· · · ·time frame, so the first, you know, week or so of
10· · · ·January, that caused the board of selectmen to look
11· · · ·to DTC to help it out?
12· ·A.· The way the board understood that Drummond Woodsum
13· · · ·would not do anything without the conflict waiver
14· · · ·of Mountain Lakes and the SAU 23.
15· ·Q.· What was Drummond Woodsum during that same time
16· · · ·frame supposed to do, and did they do it?
17· ·A.· I'm going to go ahead and say they did nothing.
18· · · ·And what they were supposed to do, I don't, I can't
19· · · ·answer that one.
20· ·Q.· All right.· What do you recall about what phone
21· · · ·calls, emails or other types of communication, what
22· · · ·communications did the board members have with DTC
23· · · ·until in that first part of January 2022?· What do
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·1· · · ·you know about that?
·2· ·A.· Could you rephrase the question?
·3· ·Q.· Yeah.· In early January of 2022 what do you know
·4· · · ·about communications or emails that board members
·5· · · ·had with DTC about helping the town out?
·6· · · · · · · · ·MR. HAWKINS:· I think you mean 2023.
·7· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Sorry.· 2023.· My mistake,
·8· · · ·yes.
·9· ·A.· I guess I really don't know.· I know I don't know a
10· · · ·lot about the DRA stuff.· I kind of just put it in
11· · · ·DTC's hands to kind of lead us along.
12· ·BY MR. SOUCY:
13· ·Q.· And what's your understanding of the board of
14· · · ·selectmen hiring, actually hiring DTC to represent
15· · · ·the town in that DRA matter?
16· ·A.· For, say that one more time, please.
17· ·Q.· Yeah.· What's your understanding as to the board of
18· · · ·selectmen actually hiring or retaining DTC to
19· · · ·represent the town and help out the town in
20· · · ·connection with the DRA matter?
21· ·A.· We hired them on January 10th.· We, and it was our
22· · · ·intention to hire them.· And the town
23· · · ·administration was supposed to reach out to them.
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·1· · · ·Then we had to rectify to make sure that town
·2· · · ·administration knew what we meant on the next
·3· · · ·public meeting.
·4· ·Q.· So is it your recollection, your memory, that on
·5· · · ·January 10th a majority of the board members voted
·6· · · ·to hire DTC in order to help the town with the DRA
·7· · · ·matter?
·8· ·A.· Yes.
·9· ·Q.· Did the board of selectmen authorize individual
10· · · ·members of the board to communicate with DTC
11· · · ·regarding the DRA issue, sort of be the point of
12· · · ·contact for the board?
13· ·A.· Yes.· I don't know if there was ever a motion made
14· · · ·on that.· I know we made, made it known that the
15· · · ·chair was supposed to communicate with DTC.
16· ·Q.· Was anybody else by agreement of the board of
17· · · ·selectmen, you know, authorized or it was agreed
18· · · ·upon that any other individual member could
19· · · ·communicate with DTC with respect to the DRA
20· · · ·matter?
21· ·A.· I believe at that time the board had no
22· · · ·relationship, so anybody could talk to them.
23· ·Q.· In addition to the DRA tax setting matter that we
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·1· · · ·have just been discussing and referring to, what
·2· · · ·other matters, if any, is it your understanding
·3· · · ·that the board of selectmen hired DTC Lawyers to
·4· · · ·help the town out with?
·5· ·A.· Personnel issues.
·6· ·Q.· Okay.· And what specifically either was that
·7· · · ·personnel issue or those, if it was singular or
·8· · · ·plural, what was the personnel issue?
·9· ·A.· The town manager.
10· ·Q.· Okay.· And as far as the board saw things or
11· · · ·understood things, what had gone on or happened
12· · · ·with the town manager and what was the board
13· · · ·looking to do?
14· ·A.· The board was looking to get counseling on how to
15· · · ·go to forward, especially with the State of New
16· · · ·Hampshire laws that town managers are very
17· · · ·protected; and that the town manager is a very, the
18· · · ·town manager has a very good use of words and how
19· · · ·to portray things, so we didn't feel comfortable
20· · · ·doing that on our own.
21· ·Q.· And did the board or what did the board discuss
22· · · ·about what it was considering or what it wanted to
23· · · ·do with respect to Ms. Codling, the town manager?
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·1· ·A.· I know I wanted to terminate her.· I can't answer
·2· · · ·for the rest of the board.· I know we were on a
·3· · · ·general consensus to see what our options were.
·4· ·Q.· What had the town manager done or what had she
·5· · · ·failed to do that caused you to have the position
·6· · · ·that she should be fired or you were leaning in the
·7· · · ·direction that, to fire her?
·8· ·A.· She had the intentions of running the town on her
·9· · · ·own under her way she wants things done, and she is
10· · · ·the only person that she, lack of better terms, she
11· · · ·is king and nobody else's opinion matters.
12· · · · · · · · ·I want, I can't verbatimly point to
13· · · ·anything that she did illegal; it's more or less
14· · · ·that she manipulates and uses people to get what
15· · · ·she wants.
16· ·Q.· And when the board of selectmen by majority vote
17· · · ·decided to hire or retain DTC Lawyers to help out
18· · · ·the town, it was for both the DRA tax setting issue
19· · · ·and the personnel matters?
20· ·A.· No, we hired DTC first for personnel matters.
21· ·Q.· Okay.
22· ·A.· Then the DRA obviously took precedence.
23· ·Q.· Sort of jumped up the chain of command?
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·1· ·A.· Yes.
·2· ·Q.· Okay.· What do you recall about DTC sending a
·3· · · ·letter to DRA regarding DRA's position about them
·4· · · ·not setting the tax rate?· Do you recall that a
·5· · · ·letter was sent?
·6· ·A.· They were asked to send a letter to ask firmly to
·7· · · ·set the tax rate.
·8· ·Q.· So when you say "firmly," your own understanding in
·9· · · ·your own words, what was the sort of, as I explain
10· · · ·it to clients, the marching orders that the
11· · · ·attorney was given?· What's your understanding of
12· · · ·how DTC was told by the board to craft that letter?
13· ·A.· That, I don't think I can answer verbatimly. I
14· · · ·know we were all desperate to get it set.· I know a
15· · · ·letter came up.· I think the letter actually came
16· · · ·up with Drummond Woodsum, but obviously they
17· · · ·wouldn't do it, so DTC took the reins on that one.
18· ·Q.· Okay.· And did the board of selectmen review what
19· · · ·the letter said and approve it?
20· ·A.· I don't remember.
21· ·Q.· Okay.· In your prior answer you said, you used the
22· · · ·word "firmly."· What did you mean by that when you
23· · · ·used the word "firmly"?
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·1· ·A.· We were desperate to get the tax rate set.· We felt
·2· · · ·that we were getting pushed around by the DRA, so
·3· · · ·we wanted it done quickly and not why, but just do
·4· · · ·it.
·5· ·Q.· Okay.· Was the board of selectmen or what concern
·6· · · ·did the board of selectmen have for being blunt or,
·7· · · ·as the slang is, worrying about stepping on
·8· · · ·somebody's toes?· Did the board worry about that?
·9· ·A.· No.
10· ·Q.· What's your opinion or your assessment as to the
11· · · ·letter that DTC sent to DRA on behalf of the board
12· · · ·of selectmen?· Did it accomplish what the board
13· · · ·wanted to accomplish?
14· ·A.· Yes.
15· ·Q.· Did DTC perform work, legal services and advise the
16· · · ·board of selectmen with respect to the DRA issue?
17· ·A.· Yes.
18· ·Q.· And since you said the board of selectmen hired or
19· · · ·brought on DTC Lawyers first for this personnel
20· · · ·issue, what did DTC do in providing, you know,
21· · · ·advice or work for the board of selectmen with
22· · · ·respect to the personnel issue?· Did they do
23· · · ·anything?
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·1· ·A.· They definitely looked into the matter.· We had a
·2· · · ·nonmeeting, if my memory serves me right, between
·3· · · ·then, and we talked about our options.
·4· ·Q.· So there was, if I can put it in nonlawyer talk or
·5· · · ·wording, DTC did lawyer work?
·7· ·Q.· Okay.· They might not have gone to trial or things
·8· · · ·you see on TV, but they did work that a lawyer
·9· · · ·would do:· Looking at laws and regulations and all
10· · · ·that stuff?
11· ·A.· Yes.
12· ·Q.· Okay.· In connection with the employment matter,
13· · · ·okay.· Why did Mr. Garofalo not sign the conflict
14· · · ·waiver letter that DTC sent to the board of
15· · · ·selectmen?
16· ·A.· He quit beforehand.
17· ·Q.· So after he, so when he quit, DTC had produced a
18· · · ·letter, but he had resigned or quit.· What happened
19· · · ·from that point forward?
20· ·A.· Vice chair Steven Robbins took on the
21· · · ·responsibility as acting chair.
22· ·Q.· Was there or what was there for a vote by the
23· · · ·remaining board members after Mr. Garofalo resigned
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·1· · · ·to approve or instruct Mr. Robbins to go ahead and
·2· · · ·sign that conflict waiver?
·3· ·A.· I cannot answer that.
·4· ·Q.· Okay.· Was it, let me ask a basic question:· Were
·5· · · ·you okay with Mr. Robbins going ahead and signing
·6· · · ·the waiver of conflict letter?
·7· ·A.· Yes.
·8· ·Q.· What do you have as far as an understanding of the
·9· · · ·other members of the board of selectmen?· By that I
10· · · ·mean were they also okay with Mr. Robbins signing
11· · · ·that waiver, as far as you know?
12· ·A.· As far as I know.
13· ·Q.· Okay.· Just, I'm thinking about how this is going
14· · · ·to be typed out.· That would be, your answer is a
15· · · ·yes to that question?
16· ·A.· Yes.
17· ·Q.· Okay.· Do you know why, and if you do, could you
18· · · ·please explain why, the board of selectmen
19· · · ·instructed DTC or asked DTC to send its invoices
20· · · ·for the legal work that it did to Steven Robbins'
21· · · ·house instead of sending them to the town offices?
22· ·A.· They were sent to Steve Robbins' house for the
23· · · ·personnel issue.· We weren't, we hadn't made any
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·1· · · ·decisions on what to do with the personnel issue,
·2· · · ·meaning town manager, yet, so we didn't really want
·3· · · ·to let her know what was going on until we had a
·4· · · ·grasp on what we were doing.
·5· ·Q.· So basically to ensure or do what the board could
·6· · · ·to keep it, keep that information with the board,
·7· · · ·otherwise to not let that out to the town manager
·8· · · ·or anybody else who could probably tell the town
·9· · · ·manager; is that fair?
10· ·A.· Yes.
11· ·Q.· And as far as you know, how many of the other
12· · · ·members of the board of selectmen agreed with
13· · · ·sending those invoices to Steve Robbins's house?
14· ·A.· That, I couldn't tell you.· I, I don't have the
15· · · ·answer for that one.
16· ·Q.· Okay.· Do you know whether or not it was discussed
17· · · ·among the board members as to sending --
18· ·A.· I believe it was discussed to send it to Fred
19· · · ·Garoppolo's house.
20· ·Q.· Okay.
21· ·A.· And then ...
22· ·Q.· Then he resigned.· So by default they were sent to
23· · · ·Steve Robbins?
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·2· ·Q.· Okay.· As far as you understand it the other
·3· · · ·members of the board of selectmen either knew or
·4· · · ·understood that those invoices were being sent to
·5· · · ·Steve's house, though, right?
·7· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Objection to form.
·9· ·Q.· So in 2022 with you being a board member, was it
10· · · ·your understanding that the board of selectmen,
11· · · ·again in 2022, had the power to hire and retain
12· · · ·attorneys for matters relating to the town?
13· ·A.· I would have to say I was too new on the board to
14· · · ·answer, to have the right answer for that one.
15· ·Q.· Okay.· All right.· I'm going to show your attorney
16· · · ·a document right now.· You guys can look at that.
17· · · ·And actually I have got one for each, but we'll end
18· · · ·up putting a sticker on one of these.
19· · · · · · · · ·After you've had a chance to read through
20· · · ·it, take a look at it, if you could just give it to
21· · · ·the stenographer and she will do her part.
22· · · · · · · · ·(Exhibit 1, 1/14/23 Email, marked for
23· · · ·identification.)
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·1· ·Q.· I'm going to ask you some questions.· So this
·2· · · ·document is just a two-page document, which is
·3· · · ·Exhibit 33 to the town's motion for summary
·4· · · ·judgment.
·5· · · · · · · · ·So I will tell you or represent to you,
·6· · · ·Mr. Knapp, that this is a copy or a printout of an
·7· · · ·email that the town has as an exhibit to one of the
·8· · · ·things it filed with the Court.· As you can see,
·9· · · ·there are two different emails.· The top one
10· · · ·January 14, 2023, at 12:43 p.m.· And then the one
11· · · ·underneath it, it's the original one or one prior
12· · · ·to it, at least, appears to be from Steve Robbins
13· · · ·to Eric Maher at DTC Lawyers, and that is the one
14· · · ·same day but a littler earlier in time, 12:35.· Do
15· · · ·you see those two emails there?
16· ·A.· Yes.
17· ·Q.· Okay.· In the body of the email itself it says,
18· · · ·Eric, and then, As you can probably see, Fred is a
19· · · ·bit pissed right now after an internal board
20· · · ·argument, and I'll stop there for now.
21· · · · · · · · ·Do you know what this internal board
22· · · ·argument is referring to?· Again, understanding
23· · · ·that you weren't directly involved in this email,
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·1· · · ·but do you know what it's talking about?
·2· ·A.· Yes.· Fred misunderstood some of the paths that the
·3· · · ·board was trying to take and sent a few emails that
·4· · · ·upset the board.
·5· ·Q.· And what information do you have that you could
·6· · · ·provide a more explanation as to the email or
·7· · · ·emails he sent out and where did they go?· What was
·8· · · ·it about the emails?
·9· ·A.· It was about an invest, a town investigation into
10· · · ·the entire, to all the employee of the town.
11· ·Q.· Okay.· Did that investigation include or have
12· · · ·something to do with the Town Manager Codling as
13· · · ·well?
14· ·A.· Yes.
15· ·Q.· And if I understand what you just said or what
16· · · ·you're saying then, Mr. Garofalo wasn't supposed to
17· · · ·send this particular email that's being discussed,
18· · · ·wasn't supposed to send it to people who got it?
19· ·A.· Not to the people that got it and not off our
20· · · ·Haverhill Board of Selectmen Gmail account.
21· ·Q.· So that email that you just referenced is a Gmail
22· · · ·email account was separate from the email that town
23· · · ·employees and the board generally use?
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·1· ·A.· Yes.
·2· ·Q.· Okay.· What, if anything, did Mr. Garoppolo's
·3· · · ·sending out that email to people and to the other
·4· · · ·emails that he shouldn't have sent it to, what did
·5· · · ·that have to do with him resigning?
·6· ·A.· His words, not mine, he said he can't keep up with
·7· · · ·us and resigned effective immediately.
·8· ·Q.· Okay.· And then, again according to the email
·9· · · ·that's on the bottom half, so the first email we
10· · · ·have, Steve Robbins then goes on to write or say,
11· · · ·Could you -- and he's directing that to Eric
12· · · ·Maher -- Could you reissue the conflict letter with
13· · · ·my name as vice chair and I will sign it.· It is
14· · · ·Steve Robbins.
15· · · · · · · · ·Was there a discussion about the conflict
16· · · ·letter having Steve Robbins' name on it and him
17· · · ·signing it?
18· ·A.· I do not recall.
19· ·Q.· Okay.· I, those are all the questions I have for
20· · · ·that.
21· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Off the record for a second.
22· · · · · · · · ·(Recess taken.)
23· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Back on the record.
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·2· ·Q.· So why was the Gmail email account created?
·3· ·A.· A lack of trust in the town management.
·4· ·Q.· And did that lack of trust, the board of selectmen
·5· · · ·generally agreed that there was a lack of trust
·6· · · ·between it and town administration?
·7· ·A.· Absolutely.
·8· ·Q.· Okay.· And did that lack of trust that you just
·9· · · ·discussed, did that involve or relate to Town
10· · · ·Manager Codling?
11· ·A.· Yes.
12· ·Q.· Okay.· Who, if anybody else, did that lack of trust
13· · · ·also cover or extend to, if anybody?
14· ·A.· I wouldn't say it would go to a lack of trust to
15· · · ·anybody else.· I don't believe anybody else had
16· · · ·that power to pry into emails.
17· ·Q.· Who instructed, I guess the town, because I don't
18· · · ·know, but who instructed the town to post documents
19· · · ·related to Woodsville's lawsuit against DRA be
20· · · ·posted on the town's website?
21· ·A.· I would like to say the town manager took that upon
22· · · ·herself to do.
23· ·Q.· Okay.
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·1· ·A.· I do not know, though.
·2· ·Q.· Okay.· What, if anything, do you know about who
·3· · · ·posted emails relating to the DRA issue and DTC's
·4· · · ·work, do you know who posted those to the town
·5· · · ·website?
·6· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Objection.· Form.
·8· ·Q.· You can answer.
·9· ·A.· Oh, I believe it is the town administration. I
10· · · ·don't know, there may have been a motion for that,
11· · · ·but I do not recall.
12· ·Q.· Okay.· Do you know who was responsible for posting
13· · · ·the documents relating to Woodsville Article 27 and
14· · · ·Woodsville Article 28 onto the town's website?
15· ·A.· Town administration.
16· ·Q.· So what I'd like to do now is read you responses
17· · · ·that DTC gave or made to questions that the town,
18· · · ·written questions, that the town sent over.· And
19· · · ·what I'd like to do is after I read it I will ask
20· · · ·you what is your opinion or what's your
21· · · ·understanding as to the accuracy.· Does it sound
22· · · ·right to you?· Does it sound accurate, that sort of
23· · · ·thing.· Do you understand that?
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·1· ·A.· Yes.
·2· ·Q.· Okay.· Question No. 2 asks, What was the exact date
·3· · · ·a quorum of the Town of Haverhill Select Board
·4· · · ·voted to retain the law firm of Donahue, Tucker and
·5· · · ·Ciandella, PLLC, again we will continue to refer to
·6· · · ·that as DTC going forward, what was the exact date
·7· · · ·of a quorum select board voted to retain DTC in a
·8· · · ·duly noticed public meeting regarding DTC's alleged
·9· · · ·representation of the town.
10· · · · · · · · ·DTC responded that that vote during the
11· · · ·public meeting happened on January 17th, 2023.· Do
12· · · ·you agree with that?
13· ·A.· I believe we had a meeting January 3rd or 4th to
14· · · ·retain DTC.
15· ·Q.· Okay.· And that January 3rd or 4th meeting was, was
16· · · ·the public there or was there, like, you know, a
17· · · ·notice provided in --
18· ·A.· It was a warrant public meeting, normal meeting; it
19· · · ·was done in a nonpublic session.
20· ·Q.· Okay.· During the January 17th meeting do you
21· · · ·recall whether or not there was a vote to retain
22· · · ·DTC on behalf of the town?
23· ·A.· If memory serves me right, the January 17th meeting
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·1· · · ·was to ratify to make sure town administration
·2· · · ·understood that we hired them on January 10th for
·3· · · ·the DRA.
·4· ·Q.· Okay.· In plain language or nonlawyer language,
·5· · · ·January 17th, that vote was done at a public
·6· · · ·meeting to make sure everything was cleaned up and
·7· · · ·proper?
·9· ·Q.· Okay.· To what extent was that vote on January
10· · · ·17th, 2023, did that vote also apply to the board
11· · · ·of selectmen waiving any conflict of interest that
12· · · ·DTC might have had?
14· ·Q.· Okay.· Question No. 4 that the town sent over to
15· · · ·the DTC and they answered, the question asks, Why
16· · · ·was there a conflict of interest between DTC and
17· · · ·the town regarding DTC's purported representation
18· · · ·of the town as described in the counterclaim?· And
19· · · ·it relates to the rate setting issue and the
20· · · ·personnel issue.
21· · · · · · · · ·So as far as an alleged or purported
22· · · ·conflict of interest, DTC writes then or responded,
23· · · ·There was no conflict of interest between DTC and
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·1· · · ·the Town of Haverhill; but DTC was required to
·2· · · ·ensure that the Woodsville Fire District and the
·3· · · ·Town of Haverhill were notified in writing of any
·4· · · ·potential conflict of interest.
·5· · · · · · · · ·Based upon your involvement with the
·6· · · ·board of selectmen and your understanding of
·7· · · ·things, is that answer consistent with what you
·8· · · ·recall?
·9· ·A.· Yes, with what I recall.
10· ·Q.· Okay.· Outside of, not included in these written
11· · · ·questions, I will ask you one or two questions.· So
12· · · ·with respect to what DTC discussed or indicated was
13· · · ·a potential conflict of interest, how many times
14· · · ·did DTC discuss that with the board of selectmen?
16· ·Q.· Okay.· Do you recall or remember whether or not
17· · · ·there were any conversations that DTC had with the
18· · · ·board about conflicts of interest?
19· ·A.· Yes.
20· ·Q.· Okay.· So they did have conversations; you just
21· · · ·right here, right now don't remember how many?
22· ·A.· I don't remember how many and how they were --
23· ·Q.· Okay.
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·1· ·A.· -- cast.
·2· ·Q.· Could you say that there was more than one but just
·3· · · ·don't know how many?
·4· ·A.· I couldn't say that either --
·5· ·Q.· Okay.
·6· ·A.· -- comfortably.
·7· ·Q.· Based upon the, we will say conversation or
·8· · · ·conversations that DTC had with the board of
·9· · · ·selectmen, what was your sense of comfort in how
10· · · ·certain you were that the board of selectmen could
11· · · ·properly hire DTC?
12· ·A.· Very comfortable.
13· ·Q.· So if I can put it in nonlawyer words, you didn't
14· · · ·see that there was any problem, as a board member
15· · · ·you didn't see any problem with hiring DTC?
16· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Objection.· Form.
18· ·Q.· You can answer.
19· ·A.· I did not see.
20· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· If we can go off the record
21· · · ·for just a second.
22· · · · · · · · ·(Discussion held off the record.)
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·1· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Just want to clarify the
·2· · · ·stipulations from the beginning like we have done
·3· · · ·for the past two depositions, that we are
·4· · · ·preserving all objections.
·6· ·Q.· So now we will pick back up.· Back on the record.
·7· · · ·You're still under oath and I'm going to jump back
·8· · · ·into these written questions.
·9· · · · · · · · ·So Question No. 6 that the town sent to
10· · · ·DTC, it's kind of a long one so I will summarize
11· · · ·it, asked why did DTC describe conflict of interest
12· · · ·with the town as possibly being insuperable in an
13· · · ·email between the two attorneys at DTC?
14· · · · · · · · ·With respect to that question, the board
15· · · ·of selectmen, did it ever ask or instruct DTC to
16· · · ·argue or present the argument that Woodsville
17· · · ·legally didn't exist?· Was that ever done?
18· ·A.· No.
19· ·Q.· Okay.· Same kind of question but a different
20· · · ·subject matter.· Did the board of selectmen, or
21· · · ·when, if ever, did the board of selectmen give an
22· · · ·instruction to DTC to reopen the litigation between
23· · · ·Woodsville and the Town of Haverhill?· Did that
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·1· · · ·ever happen?
·2· ·A.· No.
·3· ·Q.· Okay.· With respect to the instructions that the
·4· · · ·board of selectmen gave to DTC with respect to this
·5· · · ·DRA tax setting issue, when, if ever, did the board
·6· · · ·of selectmen tell or instruct DTC to take an issue
·7· · · ·on Article 27 and 28 as to whether they were
·8· · · ·legally valid or invalid?· Was any instruction like
·9· · · ·that given to DTC?
10· ·A.· Not as a board.
11· ·Q.· Okay.· So there is an email between two attorneys
12· · · ·at DTC where one attorney says in this email that
13· · · ·he will deliberately, quote/unquote, remain silent
14· · · ·and not respond back to either the town manager or
15· · · ·the assistant town manager.· Why did the board of
16· · · ·selectmen ask or instruct DTC not to have any
17· · · ·communications with the town manager or the
18· · · ·assistant town manager?
19· ·A.· Because the board had a lack of trust in the town
20· · · ·administration.
21· ·Q.· Okay.· So that was an actual instruction to even
22· · · ·more so than be tight-lipped, but even not to say
23· · · ·anything and communicate with those two people;
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·1· · · ·correct?
·2· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Objection to form.
·5· ·A.· I don't remember exactly how it all went, was
·6· · · ·worded or said, but I do remember that they were to
·7· · · ·not, to talk to the board directly.
·8· ·Q.· The board, if I can say it sort of collectively,
·9· · · ·everybody, Talk to us, the board, not to other
10· · · ·people?
11· ·A.· Correct.
12· ·Q.· Again, a nonlawyer kind of way of explaining it,
13· · · ·right?
14· ·A.· Yes.
15· ·Q.· And that explanation that I have just given is how
16· · · ·you understood that situation, right?
17· ·A.· Yes.
18· ·Q.· Okay.· Prior to the, prior to Woodsville sending in
19· · · ·Articles 27 and 28 to the Town of Haverhill when,
20· · · ·if ever, did the board of selectmen ask Town
21· · · ·Manager Codling to email DRA and ask about or get a
22· · · ·determination of whether those things were going to
23· · · ·be valid or legal?
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·1· ·A.· I don't believe the board ever asked town
·2· · · ·administration.· I believe town administration just
·3· · · ·did.
·4· ·Q.· Okay.· So if Town Manager Codling stated during her
·5· · · ·deposition that she had sent an email to DRA in
·6· · · ·connection with those articles, meaning Article 27,
·7· · · ·Article 28, she only sent that email because the
·8· · · ·board had asked her to do that, you would disagree
·9· · · ·with that, right?
10· ·A.· Just, Article 27 and 28 was 2022 town meeting. I
11· · · ·was not on the board prior to that.· And I believe
12· · · ·them emails were sent prior to my, of me being on
13· · · ·the board.
14· ·Q.· Okay.· Even once you got on the board, which would
15· · · ·have been March --
16· ·A.· March.
17· ·Q.· -- of 2022, from that date forward had you heard of
18· · · ·any or seen, if you looked at town, the board of
19· · · ·selectmen minutes, have you seen any indication or
20· · · ·any evidence that the board had asked her to email
21· · · ·DRA?
22· ·A.· I have not.
23· ·Q.· Okay.· Since the time you joined or got onto the
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·1· · · ·board of selectmen, have you either heard any
·2· · · ·discussions or been involved in any discussions in
·3· · · ·which the board of selectmen asked or requested
·4· · · ·that Town Manager Codling to email and communicate
·5· · · ·with DRA?
·6· ·A.· Not to my knowledge.
·7· ·Q.· Okay.· Do you recall either the date or the period
·8· · · ·of time when the lawsuit between Woodsville and the
·9· · · ·Town of Haverhill had been settled?
10· ·A.· I was there for the settlement.· I do not remember
11· · · ·the dating of.
12· ·Q.· But it obviously would have been since sometime
13· · · ·after at least March of 2022?
14· ·A.· Yes.
15· ·Q.· Okay.· To what extent do you recall being involved
16· · · ·in reading and/or negotiating and revising any kind
17· · · ·of memorandum of understanding as to sort of what
18· · · ·the terms of the settlement?· Were you involved in
19· · · ·any of that?
20· ·A.· No.
21· ·Q.· Okay.· What about an actual settlement agreement
22· · · ·and what that agreement said that settled the case
23· · · ·between Woodsville and Town of Haverhill; were you
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·1· · · ·involved in any of that?
·2· ·A.· I vaguely remember because I was there for the --
·3· · · ·what do you call that, the two parties?
·4· ·Q.· Mediation?
·5· ·A.· Mediation.
·6· ·Q.· Okay.
·7· ·A.· I was there for mediation.· And we were of the
·8· · · ·understanding we made an agreement of how much we
·9· · · ·were going to pay them and in two installments.
10· ·Q.· Okay.· Do you recall who on the, as a member of
11· · · ·board of selectmen who signed that settlement
12· · · ·agreement?· Do you remember if one person did or
13· · · ·everybody did?
15· ·Q.· Do you know what the status is as to the town
16· · · ·paying the invoices that DTC sent to the town for
17· · · ·the work that it did?
18· ·A.· Say that one more time, please.
19· ·Q.· Yeah.· Do you know the status of the town paying
20· · · ·the invoices that DTC sent?
21· ·A.· To my knowledge they never paid anything.
22· ·Q.· Do you know why that is?
23· ·A.· Why?· It would be a very good question.· I guess
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·1· · · ·personally I believe it was a personal issue
·2· · · ·between the town manager and DTC.
·3· ·Q.· Do you have any details of what that personal issue
·4· · · ·is or --
·5· ·A.· I do not.
·6· ·Q.· Okay.· Do you know why the board of selectmen
·7· · · ·hadn't instructed or asked the town administration
·8· · · ·to issue payment to DTC for those invoices?
·9· ·A.· By the time we got the invoices and everything up
10· · · ·and running, the next election had happened.· And
11· · · ·the new board members at that time fell into not
12· · · ·paying the bill.
13· ·Q.· What reasons, if any, were, did the members of the
14· · · ·board of selectmen, I guess we will refer to as the
15· · · ·new board of selectmen, what reasons or what did
16· · · ·they say about why they weren't going to pay?
17· ·A.· They felt, they said, I should say, that they felt
18· · · ·that there was a huge conflict of interest between
19· · · ·Mr. Hawkins and Woodsville and Haverhill.
20· ·Q.· Okay.· And do you know how they got that
21· · · ·understanding or that impression?
22· ·A.· I can't answer that question.
23· ·Q.· Who, if anybody, provided any information to the
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·1· · · ·new board regarding DTC, the work it did, and, as
·2· · · ·you said, any conflict of interest that DTC had?
·3· · · ·Do you know where they would have gotten
·4· · · ·information like that?
·5· ·A.· It's hard to say not knowing, but if it was my
·6· · · ·guess it would be town administration.
·7· ·Q.· When, if ever, has the board asked for
·8· · · ·clarification or explanation as to whether or not
·9· · · ·there was actually a conflict of interest that DTC
10· · · ·had?
11· ·A.· Say that one more time, please.
12· ·Q.· And I left out one word, so I'll definitely ask it
13· · · ·again.· When, if ever, has the new board asked for
14· · · ·any additional information or clarification as to
15· · · ·whether or not there was actually a conflict that
16· · · ·DTC had?
17· ·A.· Don't believe we ever did.
18· ·Q.· Okay.· Do you have any information or what
19· · · ·information do you have, if any, as to why the town
20· · · ·decided to file this lawsuit against DTC?
21· ·A.· I do not.
22· ·Q.· Okay.· Was there any presentation or any
23· · · ·explanation from town administration as to why this
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·1· · · ·lawsuit against DTC should be filed with the court
·2· · · ·or started?
·3· ·A.· I was unaware.· I'm not gonna, I can't answer for
·4· · · ·the whole board on why that was made because it was
·5· · · ·very unclear to me until recently of what the
·6· · · ·lawsuit is about.
·7· ·Q.· Okay.· Do you know when, if ever, you missed or
·8· · · ·weren't present for a meeting of the select board
·9· · · ·that that, it could have been explained to the rest
10· · · ·of the board members as to why the town should file
11· · · ·this lawsuit?
12· ·A.· It very well could have.· I have missed four or
13· · · ·five in the, meetings in the last year.
14· ·Q.· Okay.· Has anyone otherwise explained to you why
15· · · ·the board decided to start or initiate this lawsuit
16· · · ·against DTC?
17· ·A.· Talking with the chair at the time, Phil Blanchard,
18· · · ·he expressed his views of why he thought there was
19· · · ·a conflict.
20· ·Q.· Okay.· Did Fred state where he got that information
21· · · ·from?
22· ·A.· Phil.
23· ·Q.· I'm sorry.· Phil.
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·1· ·A.· No, he did not.
·2· ·Q.· Okay.
·3· · · · · · · · ·(Pause.)
·4· · · · · · · · ·There was a meeting, a public meeting in
·5· · · ·which Steve Robbins read a summary of event or
·6· · · ·chronology of events, read this during the meeting,
·7· · · ·and that same chronology was included as exhibit to
·8· · · ·the town's motion for summary judgment.
·9· · · · · · · · ·The first entry states, On December 27th
10· · · ·the town was advised that the tax rate would not be
11· · · ·set.· The board was notified.· The implications of
12· · · ·this were not outlined in the email that the board
13· · · ·received.· And no further communication was
14· · · ·received from the administration.
15· · · · · · · · ·Do you agree with what Steve wrote in
16· · · ·that entry?
17· ·A.· Yes.
18· ·Q.· Okay.· The next entry in this is January 3rd, and
19· · · ·he stated, We discussed the issue at our regular
20· · · ·meeting with a list of recommendations from
21· · · ·attorneys Drummond and Woodsum.· After discussion,
22· · · ·we asked D & W, abbreviated as D & W, to send the
23· · · ·letter that they recommended that they send it on
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·1· · · ·January 4th.· Do you recall having, the board
·2· · · ·having that discussion and recommending to Drummond
·3· · · ·Woodsum that they send out a letter on January 4th
·4· · · ·to DRA?
·5· ·A.· Yes.
·6· ·Q.· Okay.· Next date is January 9th.· He wrote, Select
·7· · · ·board was told that admin, or administration, was
·8· · · ·advised mid week of a conflict with D & W sending
·9· · · ·the letter and that it had not been set -- sent,
10· · · ·sorry.· We called an emergency meeting that
11· · · ·afternoon.· Minutes are available.
12· · · · · · · · ·So on 1/9 apparently the board found out
13· · · ·that this letter from Drummond and Woodsum had not
14· · · ·been sent, and you guys had an emergency meeting;
15· · · ·that's correct as well?
16· ·A.· Yes.
17· ·Q.· Okay.· Same date he says, We agreed that we would
18· · · ·meet daily if needed to guide the town through the
19· · · ·situation.· Do you recall that?
20· ·A.· Yes.
21· ·Q.· So if Town Manager Codling stated that she had full
22· · · ·control or had been given full control and the
23· · · ·board of selectmen had essentially nothing to do,
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·1· · · ·no power to do it, you would disagree with Town
·2· · · ·Manager Codling's, her own assessment of things?
·4· ·Q.· Okay.· Mr. Robbins then wrote for the same January
·5· · · ·9th entry, That afternoon I reached out to
·6· · · ·Governor's Councilor Warmington and outlined our
·7· · · ·situation and provided her with pertinent documents
·8· · · ·to the situation; do you recall that having been
·9· · · ·done?
10· ·A.· Yes.
11· ·Q.· Did the board members during that meeting sort of
12· · · ·put that plan together that Mr. Robbins would sort
13· · · ·of contact or reach out to Executive Councilor
14· · · ·Warmington?
15· ·A.· Yes.
16· ·Q.· So everyone was, quote/unquote, on board with Steve
17· · · ·doing that?
18· ·A.· Yes.
19· ·Q.· So on January 9th how concerned, or slang stressed
20· · · ·out, was the board about this DRA situation?
21· ·A.· To me it was more of an unknown, especially being
22· · · ·threatened that we were going to shut down the
23· · · ·school and everything else.· Very concerning but
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·1· · · ·very unknowledgeable of how that was.
·2· ·Q.· Okay.· So it had to be pretty concerning, then, if
·3· · · ·collectively the board didn't even know, sort of,
·4· · · ·what direction to head in or what could be done?
·5· ·A.· Yes.
·6· ·Q.· At that point in time, January 9th, what do you
·7· · · ·recall about how much time the board thought that
·8· · · ·it had to figure it out and resolve it, do you
·9· · · ·recall?
10· ·A.· Our, way we thought it, we needed to do it as soon
11· · · ·as possible.
12· ·Q.· All right.· The next entry is January 10th.· Steve
13· · · ·wrote, Second emergency meeting.· We voted to
14· · · ·change law firms to DTC, and he writes out Donahue,
15· · · ·Tucker and Ciandella, lawyers because D & W,
16· · · ·Drummond Woodsum, was not reacting quickly enough.
17· · · ·Would you agree with that statement?
18· ·A.· Yes.
19· ·Q.· Okay.· Mr. Robbins then writes in the next entry,
20· · · ·January 11, Emergency meeting scheduled with
21· · · ·Councilor Warmington for Thursday, and nonmeeting
22· · · ·with DTC for January 12th.· Do you recall a meeting
23· · · ·with Councilor Warmington?
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·1· ·A.· Yes.· We met in this room in the middle of the day.
·2· · · ·We waited around for a couple hours and met with
·3· · · ·DTC afterwards.
·4· ·Q.· Okay.· So the meeting was on the same day, just two
·5· · · ·different times on that day?
·7· ·Q.· Okay.· What's your memory or recollection of what
·8· · · ·was discussed and what the board decided to do
·9· · · ·during that January 11th nonmeeting -- oh, sorry,
10· · · ·January 12th nonmeeting?
11· ·A.· I don't recall what was going on.· I thought that
12· · · ·nonmeeting was supposed to be about personnel
13· · · ·issues, but I don't recall --
14· ·Q.· Okay.
15· ·A.· -- exactly what we did talk about.
16· ·Q.· Okay.· Mr. Robbins then writes, still under
17· · · ·January 11th, During some emails back and forth on
18· · · ·that day, I sent my understanding of the
19· · · ·proceedings without objection.· I was clear that
20· · · ·the board was taking the lead it was a high-stress,
21· · · ·fast-moving crisis situation, and we had no room to
22· · · ·allow for hurt feelings getting involved.· Do you
23· · · ·recall that?
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·1· ·A.· Yes.
·2· ·Q.· Okay.· And how clear, he's, he wrote here in this
·3· · · ·entry as I just read, I was clear that the board
·4· · · ·was taking the lead.· That's his statement.· But on
·5· · · ·your end of it, your understanding, how clear was
·6· · · ·it at that moment in time that the board had
·7· · · ·discussed and agreed that it was going to be taking
·8· · · ·the lead on this DRA issue?
·9· ·A.· Very clear.
10· ·Q.· Okay.· The next entry that he has is for January
11· · · ·12th.· He wrote, Met Councilor Warmington.· Great
12· · · ·meeting.· She was very concerned with our
13· · · ·situation.· It was going to, and was going to work
14· · · ·on it immediately.· Is that consistent with what,
15· · · ·sort of, you came out of the meeting with?
16· ·A.· Yes.
17· ·Q.· Then he writes, Nonmeeting with attorneys.· Just so
18· · · ·that we are clear in understanding this, who was
19· · · ·that nonmeeting on January 12th with?
20· ·A.· Chris Hawkins and Eric Maher.
21· ·Q.· So it was not with attorneys from Drummond and
22· · · ·Woodsum; correct?
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·1· ·Q.· Okay.· He wrote, Nonmeeting with attorneys.· We
·2· · · ·outlined our situation.· They already had done
·3· · · ·research since our initial contact.· They outlined
·4· · · ·a conflict that included Woodsville Fire District.
·5· · · ·We agree, we agreed that it did not affect this
·6· · · ·case as did the Woodsville attorneys.· DTC felt
·7· · · ·comfortable moving forward with commitment by both
·8· · · ·of signature as time was of the essence.
·9· · · · · · · · ·So as of January 12th is it fair to say
10· · · ·the board had discussed with DTC this thing
11· · · ·referred to as the conflict, and the board still
12· · · ·was moving forward with DTC in connection with this
13· · · ·DRA tax setting thing?
14· ·A.· Yes.
15· ·Q.· Okay.· In the middle of that entry for
16· · · ·January 12th, Mr. Robbins then continued on
17· · · ·writing, Due to the situation, we were advised to
18· · · ·start an email account for the group so all of us
19· · · ·had rapid access to the same information.· This is
20· · · ·the, all one word, HaverhillBOS Gmail account.
21· · · ·That's what you were talking about before and Fred
22· · · ·sent the email out to other people he shouldn't
23· · · ·have and there was a little bit of fallout with
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·1· · · ·Fred?
·2· ·A.· Right.
·3· ·Q.· And apparently after that or because of that, one
·4· · · ·way or another, he, Fred, ended up resigning?
·6· ·Q.· Okay.· The final entry that has a date to it on
·7· · · ·this first page is January 13th, We were notified
·8· · · ·by our attorneys that resolution should be in place
·9· · · ·today and a tax rate set.
10· · · · · · · · ·So before the middle of the month, before
11· · · ·January 15th, again, we are on January 13th, is
12· · · ·that what you recall is that DTC notified the board
13· · · ·of selectmen that tax rate should be set today?
14· ·A.· I remember, I don't remember clearly, but I do
15· · · ·remember something along the lines of being today
16· · · ·or in the near future.
17· ·Q.· Okay.· Sounds like the board got some really good
18· · · ·news on the 13th that things were going to be
19· · · ·resolved, at least as far as the DRA issue?
23· ·A.· To my knowledge, yes.
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·1· ·Q.· Okay.· So do you recall the date when the board was
·2· · · ·notified or informed that Drummond Woodsum had a
·3· · · ·conflict of interest and couldn't do anything
·4· · · ·further until that was resolved, do you recall when
·5· · · ·that was?
·6· ·A.· Time frame?· I'm sure it goes along with the rest
·7· · · ·of it, but I couldn't tell you the exact day.
·8· ·Q.· Do you recall if it was before Drummond Woodsum had
·9· · · ·sent anything in writing to the DRA?· Do you
10· · · ·remember that or not?
11· ·A.· I don't remember Drummond Woodsum sending anything
12· · · ·in writing.
13· ·Q.· Okay.· What do you recall, if anything, as far as
14· · · ·being informed by the town administration that
15· · · ·Drummond Woodsum had done anything after you guys
16· · · ·learned, sorry, the board of selectmen learned that
17· · · ·there was a, there was a conflict at Drummond
18· · · ·Woodsum?· Did the town administration tell the
19· · · ·board that Drummond and Woodsum was doing anything
20· · · ·at any point after that time?
21· ·A.· No.
22· · · · · · · · ·(Pause.)
23· ·Q.· So, Mr. Knapp, I'm going to show you a one-page
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·1· · · ·document that was marked as Exhibit 9 to Town
·2· · · ·Manager Codling's deposition from yesterday.· You
·3· · · ·and your attorney can take a look at it.· And once
·4· · · ·you're done just let me know that you guys have
·5· · · ·taken a look at it, okay?
·6· · · · · · · · ·(Exhibit 2, 1/6/23 Email, marked for
·7· · · ·identification.)
·8· ·Q.· Okay.· So you've had a chance to take a look at the
·9· · · ·document, the one-page document that now has been
10· · · ·numbered as Exhibit 2 for your deposition.· You've
11· · · ·had a chance to look at that; correct?
12· ·A.· Yes.
13· ·Q.· Okay.· This, it's not the brightest or clearest
14· · · ·document, but have you, is it clear enough --
15· ·A.· I recall the email, yes.
16· ·Q.· Okay.· So you've been able to actually read what's
17· · · ·there, even though it's not the --
18· ·A.· Pretty close to it.
19· ·Q.· -- the clearest kind of thing?· Okay.· So it is a
20· · · ·one-page document that has a total technically of
21· · · ·three emails, but we will start at the bottom one,
22· · · ·the highlighting where it says, From Kevin Knapp.
23· · · ·The date is May 5th, 2022, at 10:29 a.m.· Do you
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·1· · · ·see that towards the bottom?
·2· ·A.· Yes.
·3· ·Q.· Okay.· So was this an email that you sent to Town
·4· · · ·Manager Codling?
·5· ·A.· Yes.
·6· ·Q.· Okay.· Why did you send this particular email?
·7· ·A.· Because I felt like that the DRA had a judgment on
·8· · · ·Woodsville for some reason in these two warrant
·9· · · ·articles, and I really wanted to know what town
10· · · ·administration had involvement with.
11· ·Q.· Okay.· Was your request to Town Manager Codling on
12· · · ·this, in this May 5th, 2022, email the result of
13· · · ·any resident of town of Haverhill asking you,
14· · · ·through your connections with the town, to gather
15· · · ·up documents?
16· ·A.· I could not say that anyone in particular.· A lot
17· · · ·of people were curious, though.
18· ·Q.· Okay.· So you sent this email because you thought,
19· · · ·like you said, DRA already had some kind of
20· · · ·judgment or decision that it had in its mind about
21· · · ·this Article 27 and Article 28?
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·3· ·A.· That's the way I kind of felt.
·4· ·Q.· Okay.· And then, again, that was on May 5th.· You
·5· · · ·sent it at 10:29 a.m.· Next email up is at 11:07
·6· · · ·later that same day where she responded to you and
·7· · · ·Cc'd Jennifer Boucher, the assistant town manager.
·8· · · ·And where it's highlighted it states, Hello, Kevin.
·9· · · ·The DRA rarely puts anything in email.· They call
10· · · ·us or we call them, except for formal notification.
11· · · ·And then she put in parenthesis, Such as attached.
12· · · ·Do you see that line that's been highlighted?
13· ·A.· Yes.
14· ·Q.· So is this the only response that you received from
15· · · ·Town Manager Codling in connection with your
16· · · ·request at the bottom of this page?
17· ·A.· I do not recall if there was any more on top of
18· · · ·that other than the 91A sent to the DRA.
19· ·Q.· Okay.· So what, if anything, did you think about
20· · · ·her response to you that's in this email?
21· ·A.· Bullshit.
22· ·Q.· Okay.· Did you, do you recall ever following up
23· · · ·with her to say, What was with that response? I
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·1· · · ·asked for documents, or anything like that.
·2· ·A.· I don't recall.
·3· ·Q.· Okay.· How do you reconcile, what do you think
·4· · · ·about her response that she gave to you on May 5th
·5· · · ·now having seen the emails that were part of what
·6· · · ·DRA produced in the 91A response?
·7· ·A.· That she was lying to me.
·8· ·Q.· Okay.
·9· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Can we go off the record?
10· · · · · · · · ·(Recess taken.)
13· ·Q.· Mr. Knapp, we took a brief recess.· We are back on
14· · · ·the record.· You're still under oath.· And I think
15· · · ·I have got a few more questions for you.
16· · · · · · · · ·So with respect to the town's lawsuit
17· · · ·against DTC, what is your opinion or assessment as
18· · · ·to whether or not this lawsuit is in the town's
19· · · ·best interest?
20· ·A.· I believe it was in the town's best -- this current
21· · · ·lawsuit (indicating)?
22· ·Q.· This current lawsuit against DTC; correct.
23· ·A.· I think it's bullshit.
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·1· ·Q.· All right.· Do you know the dollar value or the
·2· · · ·total that's on the invoices from DTC that are
·3· · · ·involved in this lawsuit?
·4· ·A.· No.
·5· ·Q.· Okay.· If I were to tell you that the total of the
·6· · · ·invoice is less than $15,000, would your opinion or
·7· · · ·assessment of the town's interest in bringing this
·8· · · ·lawsuit and continuing on with this lawsuit, same
·9· · · ·question, Do you think it's in the town's best
10· · · ·interest?
11· ·A.· No.
12· ·Q.· Okay.· What is your assessment as a member of the
13· · · ·board of selectmen, what is your assessment of the
14· · · ·work and the legal services that DTC provided to
15· · · ·the board of selectmen and to the town in
16· · · ·connection with the DRA matter and the personnel or
17· · · ·employment matter?· What is your assessment of what
18· · · ·they did?
19· ·A.· I thought they did a very good job, very quickly
20· · · ·done.
21· ·Q.· Okay.· I don't know that you would have any, you
22· · · ·know, direct information or an email or something
23· · · ·like that, but what's your assessment as a member
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·1· · · ·of the board of selectmen as to what DTC did in
·2· · · ·connection with the DRA matter and how quickly the
·3· · · ·DRA matter was corrected or resolved?· Do you have
·4· · · ·an opinion as to that, what they did and how
·5· · · ·quickly it got resolved?
·6· ·A.· I don't verbatimly know what they did, but I know
·7· · · ·it was resolved very quickly.
·8· ·Q.· And quickly after DTC got involved, that DRA issue
·9· · · ·was resolved?
13· ·A.· I would say it was very quickly resolved from the
14· · · ·time the board took over --
15· ·Q.· Gotcha.
16· ·A.· -- getting Governor's Councilor --
17· ·Q.· Warmington?
18· ·A.· -- Warmington and DTC.
19· ·Q.· Okay.· I'd like to show you and your attorney an
20· · · ·email -- actually I have got two so each of you can
21· · · ·look at it.· When you're done, Mr. Knapp, if you
22· · · ·could just, same thing, show or give the copy to
23· · · ·the stenographer so she can mark it.
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·1· · · · · · · · ·(Exhibits 3 and 4 marked for
·3· ·Q.· Okay.· So we will put that one off to the side.
·4· · · ·Yeah, look at the email for now.· So you and your
·5· · · ·attorney have had a chance to look at the
·6· · · ·three-page document that's been marked in your
·7· · · ·deposition for today.· The very first page is an
·8· · · ·email that has the date towards the top center of
·9· · · ·that page January 4, 2023, at 10:27 a.m.· Do you
10· · · ·see that?
11· ·A.· Yes.
12· ·Q.· Okay.· And you've had a chance to look at all three
13· · · ·of the pages that are in this?
14· ·A.· Yes, sir.
15· ·Q.· Okay.· And this first page, the January 4th email,
16· · · ·do you recognize what this is and do you recall it?
17· ·A.· Yes, I do.
18· ·Q.· Okay.· So what is the email?· What was going on
19· · · ·there?
20· ·A.· This first email is the day after January 3rd
21· · · ·nonpublic meeting of hiring DTC for personnel
22· · · ·issue.
23· ·Q.· And does what is typed in this email accurately
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·1· · · ·reflect what occurred, or at least an accurate
·2· · · ·summary of what occurred as it's stated here last
·3· · · ·night, so January 3rd, with respect to the board
·4· · · ·meeting?
·5· ·A.· Yes.
·6· ·Q.· On the next page, second page of three, there is a
·7· · · ·chain or series of emails, January 10th, both at
·8· · · ·3:38 p.m., that's on the bottom half of the page,
·9· · · ·and then the top half of the page is on the same
10· · · ·day, January 10th, but at 6:33 p.m.· Do you see
11· · · ·those two emails?
12· ·A.· Yes.
13· ·Q.· Okay.· And those two emails are both from or sent
14· · · ·out by you; correct?
15· ·A.· Yes.
16· ·Q.· Okay.· Do you recall why you sent out these two
17· · · ·emails?
18· ·A.· The board wanted to know the hourly rate.· Then the
19· · · ·other one was letting them know about the Drummond
20· · · ·Woodsum issue, conflict of issue.
21· ·Q.· Okay.· And the board wanted to know what DTC's
22· · · ·hourly rate was because you and the board members
23· · · ·had decided and voted to hire DTC for the personnel
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·1· · · ·matter and/or the DRA matter, right?
·5· ·A.· I would have to say this was prior to the DRA.
·6· ·Q.· Okay.
·7· ·A.· But yes.
·8· ·Q.· So in the middle of that second page that we are
·9· · · ·currently looking at, Chris Hawkins is responding
10· · · ·to the email at the bottom of the same page, and he
11· · · ·states, We charge $200 per hour for municipal work;
12· · · ·do you see that?
13· ·A.· Yes.
14· ·Q.· So he was answering your question that's raised or
15· · · ·presented down below, and his response was hourly
16· · · ·rate for municipal work.· Does that sound accurate?
17· ·A.· Yes.
18· ·Q.· Okay.· The third and final page of this three-page
19· · · ·exhibit is dated January 11th, 2023, at 11:18 a.m.
20· · · ·And at the bottom or bottom half is the email from
21· · · ·you to Attorney Chris Hawkins.· And you informed
22· · · ·both him and Eric Maher that you're talking with
23· · · ·other board members.· They'd like to set up a Zoom
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·1· · · ·meeting.· And just select board, no administration.
·2· · · ·That means town administration.· That would be the
·3· · · ·town manager and assistant town manager?
·4· ·A.· Yes.
·5· ·Q.· Okay.· And then there is up top or above that is
·6· · · ·email reply from Chris Hawkins, and again this is
·7· · · ·on January 11th.· This email, why was this email
·8· · · ·sent out?· Why was there either a request or a need
·9· · · ·for a Zoom meeting?
10· ·A.· I don't recall the exact, why we wanted the Zoom
11· · · ·meeting, if that was, just going by the date I'm --
12· · · ·no, I don't, I don't want to go on the record
13· · · ·saying whether it was for personnel or DRA, so I
14· · · ·don't recall.
15· ·Q.· Okay.· Is it fair to say, though, that it could
16· · · ·have been for either of those two things or both of
17· · · ·them?
21· ·A.· Yes.
22· ·Q.· It would at least have been for one of those two
23· · · ·things?
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·1· ·A.· Yes.
·4· ·Q.· Okay.· Those are all the questions I have for that
·5· · · ·one, so we can put that in the thin stack and then
·6· · · ·we will go to the next one.· And it has a cover
·7· · · ·sheet to it, but the second page of this stapled
·8· · · ·packet, you can take a look at the title of it.· It
·9· · · ·says it's the Town of Haverhill Select Board
10· · · ·Meeting Minutes, and then Tuesday January 17, 2023;
11· · · ·do you see that?· The second page in?
12· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Right here.
13· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· No, second page.· I count the
14· · · ·first page.
15· ·A.· Oh, the meeting of January?
17· ·Q.· The meeting minutes from January 17th.· You see
18· · · ·that?
19· ·A.· Yes, I do.
20· ·Q.· So this is, there are actual page numbers to this
21· · · ·document.· There's actually 14 pages here.· We will
22· · · ·just cut to the chase because on the clock, if you,
23· · · ·I'm not going to make you look at all 14 pages, you
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·1· · · ·certainly can take the time to do that, what I'd
·2· · · ·like to do is just make sure that you've taken a
·3· · · ·look at the first page.· On the left-hand side
·4· · · ·right towards the top it says, Select board
·5· · · ·attendance.· Your name happens to be first in line;
·8· ·Q.· Okay.· And then underneath that in bold, Town
·9· · · ·employees present, and both Ms. Codling and
10· · · ·Ms. Boucher's names are there as employees who were
11· · · ·in attendance at that January 17th meeting;
12· · · ·correct?
14· ·Q.· Then, you can flip to the page No. 2, bottom right
15· · · ·corner, so the numbered page No. 2, and there's a
16· · · ·list of people who attended.
17· · · · · · · · ·Down towards the bottom of that page, the
18· · · ·last inch or inch and a half of that page numbered
19· · · ·2, paragraph that begins with, Regarding the
20· · · ·January 10, 2023, emergency meeting.· Do you see
21· · · ·that paragraph?
22· ·A.· Yes.
23· ·Q.· If you could read that paragraph and then the three
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·1· · · ·small paragraphs on the next page.· We will try to
·2· · · ·cut down the amount of reading.
·3· · · · · · · · ·(Pause.)
·4· ·A.· Okay.
·5· ·Q.· You read --
·6· ·A.· Four paragraphs.
·7· ·Q.· Yeah, down to the, just prior to what is entitled
·8· · · ·Motion No. 5, right?
·9· ·A.· Yes.
10· ·Q.· Okay.· So if we can go back to, again, looking at
11· · · ·the bottom right corner of this document, page 2,
12· · · ·go back to that paragraph you started reading that
13· · · ·says, Regarding the January 10th meeting.· In
14· · · ·summary, is what's written as to what you just
15· · · ·read, is that an accurate summary of what you
16· · · ·recall happening in this January 17th meeting?
17· ·A.· I would definitely say it's pretty close to
18· · · ·actually what happened.· I know Steve tried to
19· · · ·explain what was going on.· I supported him.
20· · · ·Jennifer butted in and we ratified it.
21· ·Q.· Okay.· So at the very bottom of that page No. 2,
22· · · ·middle of that very, very last line, it says, K
23· · · ·Knapp says he recalled the town was to hire the new
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·1· · · ·law firm -- and then going on to the next page --
·2· · · ·due to Drummond Woodsum dragging their feet on the
·3· · · ·DRA issue.· That's accurate as to what occurred,
·4· · · ·right?
·8· ·A.· As to my knowledge.· It is clearly stated like
·9· · · ·that.
10· ·Q.· Right.· And then just below that, it in bold says,
11· · · ·Motion No. 4, you read that short paragraph;
13· ·A.· Yes.
14· ·Q.· And that summary there is consistent with your
15· · · ·recollection of what the board voted on that night;
17· ·A.· Yes.
18· ·Q.· All right.
19· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Those are all the questions I
20· · · ·have.· Thank you.· And we are going to suspend this
21· · · ·deposition --
22· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· I have some questions.
23· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Okay.· Yeah.· Defendant
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·1· · · ·suspends pending outcome of summary judgment
·2· · · ·motions.
·3· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Can we go off the record?
·4· · · · · · · · ·(Recess taken.)
·5· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Back on the record.
·6· · · · · · · · · · · · ·***********
·7· · · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
·8· ·BY MR. KLINE:
·9· ·Q.· Back on the record, Kevin.· You're under oath.· My
10· · · ·name is Derek Kline.· I'm the attorney for the
11· · · ·town, as you know.· So I didn't think we caught it
12· · · ·in the beginning.· What do you do for work?
13· ·A.· I'm a diesel mechanic.
14· ·Q.· Where do you typically perform work?
15· ·A.· Over the road.
16· ·Q.· Generally in town or ...
17· ·A.· All over the state.
18· ·Q.· All over the state.· Now, you currently testified
19· · · ·you are part of the select board.· Have you ever
20· · · ·served on any other town boards?
21· ·A.· Not other than ex officio.
22· ·Q.· Prior to serving on the select board have you
23· · · ·served on any other boards?
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·1· ·A.· No.
·2· ·Q.· Are you familiar with the standards, practices and
·3· · · ·responsibilities of board of selectmen in
·4· · · ·Haverhill?
·5· ·A.· I have a pretty good understanding of them.
·6· ·Q.· Handing you this exhibit marked Town of Haverhill
·7· · · ·Exhibit 2.
·8· · · · · · · · ·(Exhibit 5, Town of Haverhill Standard
·9· · · ·Operating Procedures, marked for identification.)
10· ·Q.· Did you review that document, Kevin?
11· ·A.· You want me to read the whole thing now?
12· ·Q.· No, just the first, say the first three pages.
13· · · · · · · · ·(Pause.)
14· ·A.· Okay.
15· ·Q.· Now, are these the standard operating procedures of
16· · · ·the Haverhill Select Board?
17· ·A.· Yes.
18· ·Q.· Are you familiar with this document?
19· ·A.· Yes.
20· ·Q.· What are the standard operating procedures?
21· ·A.· A baseline of how the meeting should be run.
22· ·Q.· It's a baseline for how a meeting of the select
23· · · ·board should be run?
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·1· ·A.· Yes.
·2· ·Q.· It's a baseline of good governance?
·3· ·A.· Yes.
·4· ·Q.· Is the select board required to follow the standard
·5· · · ·operating procedures?
·6· ·A.· We should be.· It's our standard operating
·7· · · ·procedures.
·8· ·Q.· Could you turn to page 2, please?
·9· ·A.· Yes.
10· ·Q.· And look at the bottom of the page entitled,
11· · · ·Meeting Procedures.
12· ·A.· Yes.
13· ·Q.· And go to, specifically, No. 4.· It says, Actions
14· · · ·and decisions shall be by motion, second,
15· · · ·discussion and vote.· Do you see that?
16· ·A.· Yes.
17· ·Q.· Is that true?
18· ·A.· Yes.
19· ·Q.· So only an action/decision could be made by a
20· · · ·motion, second, discussion and vote; correct?
21· ·A.· Yes.
22· ·Q.· Can you turn to page 5, please.· I mean, could you
23· · · ·turn to the next page to the top of the page at No.
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·1· · · ·5.
·2· ·A.· Yes.
·3· ·Q.· Says, All actions shall be by roll call to ensure
·4· · · ·the minutes reflect actions of board members;
·6· ·A.· Yes.
·7· ·Q.· So the minutes should reflect any action and
·8· · · ·decision by the board?
·9· ·A.· Yes.
10· ·Q.· And if there isn't, if it's not in the meeting
11· · · ·minutes, it wouldn't be an action and a decision of
12· · · ·the board; correct?
14· ·Q.· I'm handing you a document that was previously
15· · · ·introduced for Brigitte Codling's deposition,
16· · · ·Exhibit 1.
17· · · · · · · · ·(Exhibit 6, 3/6/20 ToH Meeting Minutes,
18· · · ·marked for identification.)
19· ·Q.· Have you had a chance to review this document,
20· · · ·Kevin?
21· ·A.· Yes.
22· ·Q.· What is that document?
23· ·A.· It is the motion that gives Town Manager Codling
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·1· · · ·full authority over the legal matters of the
·2· · · ·Woodsville precinct.
·3· ·Q.· Does this, does that motion that you just read
·4· · · ·reference the litigation between Haverhill and
·5· · · ·Woodsville?
·6· ·A.· Yes.
·7· ·Q.· Where?
·8· ·A.· Well, that's the way I take it, legal matters --
·9· ·Q.· But it doesn't --
10· ·A.· -- related to Woodsville precinct.
11· ·Q.· Legal matters could mean many different matters;
13· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Objection.
14· · · · · · · · ·You can answer.
15· ·A.· I didn't take it that way.
16· ·Q.· Does it say anywhere the Woodsville/Haverhill
17· · · ·litigation?
18· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Objection --
19· ·A.· No.
20· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· -- you can answer.
21· ·A.· No.
22· ·BY MR. KLINE:
23· ·Q.· So you, so to repeat my question and your answer,
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·1· · · ·you answered that this motion does not state that
·2· · · ·it's applicable to only the Haverhill and
·3· · · ·Woodsville litigation; correct?
·4· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Objection.
·5· · · · · · · · ·You can answer.
·6· ·A.· So you're saying that it's not limited to; correct?
·8· ·Q.· Correct.
·9· ·A.· Yes, I guess rereading it, yes.
10· ·Q.· Thank you.· Since rereading it you said it's not
11· · · ·limited to the litigation between Haverhill and
12· · · ·Woodsville, does that mean that the town manager
13· · · ·was given full authority over all legal matters
14· · · ·related to Woodsville?
15· ·A.· That's what it says.
16· ·Q.· Thank you.· All right.
17· · · · · · · · ·(Exhibit 7, 4/5/22 Town of Haverhill
18· · · ·Meeting Minutes, marked for identification.)
19· ·Q.· So we don't have to review this entire 10-page
20· · · ·document.· Would you just review the first page and
21· · · ·then the fourth page, Motion No. 3.
22· · · · · · · · ·(Pause.)
23· ·Q.· Did you review the document --
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·1· ·A.· Yes.
·2· ·Q.· -- page 1 and page 4, Motion No. 3?
·3· ·A.· Yes.
·4· ·Q.· Are these the meeting minutes for the April 25th,
·5· · · ·2022, meeting of the select board?
·6· ·A.· Yes.
·7· ·Q.· In Motion No. 3 did you make the motion to re-vote
·8· · · ·on the 2020 board session that gave the town
·9· · · ·manager full authority over legal matters related
10· · · ·to the Woodsville precinct and to move that
11· · · ·authority to the select board?
12· ·A.· Yes.
13· ·Q.· Did that motion die with no second vote?
14· ·A.· Yes, it did.
15· ·Q.· Do you know why?
16· ·A.· Not really.
17· ·Q.· Not really?· Any idea?
18· ·A.· They didn't want the responsibility.· I don't know.
19· ·Q.· So you answered that the board did not want the
20· · · ·responsibility over all legal matters related to
21· · · ·Woodsville; correct?
23· ·Q.· And that authority would remain with the town
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·1· · · ·manager; correct?
·2· ·A.· The motion died, so nothing changed.
·3· ·Q.· Did you ever raise the motion again?
·4· ·A.· No.
·5· ·Q.· So the town manager would retain full authority
·6· · · ·over all legal matters related to Woodsville unless
·7· · · ·or until that motion was rescinded; correct?
·9· ·Q.· Did anyone advise you to make this motion?
10· ·A.· No.
11· ·Q.· And since the town manager still retained full
12· · · ·authority over all legal matters concerning
13· · · ·Woodsville, that would have included the DRA tax
14· · · ·rate settings matter; correct?
15· ·A.· Hardly.
16· ·Q.· Hardly?· Why?
17· ·A.· Woodsville is a precinct inside the town.· The
18· · · ·town's tax rate was the goal to get set.
19· · · · · · · · ·(Exhibit 8, 12/22/22 Letter, marked for
21· ·Q.· I'm handing you a document entitled Town of
22· · · ·Haverhill Exhibit No. 11.· It's marked No. 8.
23· · · ·Could you read this?
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·1· · · · · · · · ·(Pause.)
·2· ·A.· Okay.
·3· ·Q.· Look at this.· This is a letter from the DRA to the
·4· · · ·Town of Haverhill dated December 22, 2022,
·5· · · ·regarding the DRA rate setting matter; correct?
·7· ·Q.· This is the letter where DRA said that it would not
·8· · · ·set the tax rate; correct?
·9· ·A.· Yes, that's what it states.
10· ·Q.· Could you look at the second paragraph in this
11· · · ·letter.
12· ·A.· Yes.
13· ·Q.· It says, Due to the interconnection of the issues
14· · · ·raised by the Woodsville Fire District in its
15· · · ·appeal and the rates to be set for the town and the
16· · · ·Woodsville Fire District, upon the advice of
17· · · ·counsel we cannot set tax rates while the appeal
18· · · ·remains pending.· Do you see that?
19· ·A.· Yes.
20· ·Q.· Does that paragraph state that the DRA tax rate
21· · · ·settings matter relates to Woodsville?
23· ·A.· This does, but I don't recall this document.· Prior
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·1· · · ·to our DRA issue, it was the SAU 23 that we were
·2· · · ·concerned with conflict.
·4· ·Q.· It's your testimony today that based on this
·5· · · ·letter, you believe that the DRA tax rate setting
·6· · · ·matter related to Woodsville?
·8· ·A.· No.· Like I said, I believe it had to do with the
·9· · · ·school.· Yes, this obviously had something to do
10· · · ·with it, but I didn't, this wasn't fresh in my
11· · · ·memory when we were setting the tax rate.
12· ·Q.· Okay.· But based on this letter it does say that
13· · · ·the DRA's not setting the tax rates because of an
14· · · ·issue related to the Woodsville Fire District --
16· · · · · · · · ·You can answer.
18· ·Q.· -- correct?
19· ·A.· Yes, it does state that.
20· ·Q.· So the DRA tax rate settings matter did pertain to
21· · · ·Woodsville; correct?
23· · · · · · · · ·You can answer.
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·1· ·A.· Not in my eyes; but, yes, it did in DRA's eyes.
·2· ·Q.· Thank you.
·3· · · · · · · · ·(Exhibit 9, 9/26/22 Town of Haverhill
·4· · · ·Meeting Minutes, marked for identification.)
·5· ·Q.· So same thing that counsel for DTC said and I
·6· · · ·previously said to avoid having to review a lengthy
·7· · · ·document, if you could just look at the first page
·8· · · ·and the fifth page, in particular Motion No. 7 on
·9· · · ·the fifth page.· And let me know when you've
10· · · ·concluded.
11· · · · · · · · ·(Pause.)
12· ·A.· Okay.
13· ·Q.· Are these the Town of Haverhill Select Board
14· · · ·Meeting Minutes dated September 26th, 2022?
15· ·A.· Yes.
16· ·Q.· And if you look at Motion No. 7 it says that, Knapp
17· · · ·made the motion to write a draft letter to the DRA
18· · · ·requesting a reconsideration of the Woodsville Fire
19· · · ·District funding; is that correct?
20· ·A.· Yes.
21· ·Q.· What was the reconsideration of the Woodsville Fire
22· · · ·District funding?
23· ·A.· The denial of warrant Articles 27, 28.
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·1· ·Q.· So, so you were going to write a letter to the DRA
·2· · · ·requesting that they reconsider disallowing
·3· · · ·Articles 27 and 28?
·4· ·A.· That they reconsider, yeah.
·5· ·Q.· Why?
·6· ·A.· To move on.
·7· ·Q.· Did you write the letter?
·8· ·A.· No letter was ever sent to the DRA.
·9· ·Q.· Was there a draft letter that was introduced to the
10· · · ·select board?
11· ·A.· Yes.
12· ·Q.· Did you write and draft that letter?
13· ·A.· No, I did not.
14· ·Q.· Who drafted that letter?
15· ·A.· I don't recall her name.
16· ·Q.· Lynnette Macomber?
17· ·A.· That sounds right, yes.
18· ·Q.· Did you know that Lynnette Macomber was
19· · · ·Woodsville's lawyer?
20· ·A.· Yes, I do know that.
21· ·Q.· So Woodsville's lawyer was giving you a letter --
22· ·A.· It was a paraphrased letter that she had previously
23· · · ·written.
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·1· ·Q.· What do you mean by a "paraphrased letter"?
·2· ·A.· It was a letter that she had written to the DRA
·3· · · ·prior, and it was certain points were tooken out of
·4· · · ·it and reconstructed.
·5· ·Q.· How do you know that?
·6· ·A.· Because I was involved in the writing of it.
·7· ·Q.· With Lynnette?
·8· ·A.· Not with Lynnette.
·9· ·Q.· But she wrote the letter?
10· ·A.· The original letter, yes.
11· ·Q.· Okay.· Were you working directly with Ms. Macomber?
12· ·A.· Negative.· Never met her in my life.
13· ·Q.· How did you first come in contact with
14· · · ·Ms. Macomber?
15· ·A.· A resident a Haverhill.· I've never contacted her
16· · · ·or had any contact with her but through a resident
17· · · ·of Haverhill.
18· ·Q.· Who was the resident of Haverhill?
19· ·A.· Do I have to say that?
20· ·Q.· Yes.
21· ·A.· Kevin Shelton.
22· ·Q.· And who is Kevin Shelton?
23· ·A.· The Woodsville precinct administrator.
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·1· ·Q.· The Woodsville precinct administrator put you in
·2· · · ·touch with Woodsville's lawyer to present this
·3· · · ·letter to the Haverhill Select Board?
·4· ·A.· No.· I would say the Woodsville precinct
·5· · · ·administrator helped write the letter using
·6· · · ·information from his lawyer, their lawyer.
·7· ·Q.· Okay.· Who suggested that you reach out to Chris
·8· · · ·Hawkins at DTC?
·9· ·A.· Mike Graham talked about his firm.
10· ·Q.· So Mike Graham suggested that you reach out to
11· · · ·Chris Hawkins at DTC?
12· ·A.· I don't recall the exact, how that all happened.
13· ·Q.· And what did Mr. Graham tell you about reaching out
14· · · ·to Mr. Hawkins?
15· ·A.· He just talked how good they were and how nice and
16· · · ·accommodating that they were.
17· ·Q.· Did you recall that Attorney Hawkins was eager to
18· · · ·work for the town?
19· ·A.· I guess.· I don't recall.· Yes, but not to ...
20· ·Q.· Did he have a personal interest in trying to work
21· · · ·for the town?
23· · · · · · · · ·You can answer.
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·1· ·A.· I believe so after talking with him that he really
·2· · · ·liked the area and knew there was some bad eggs and
·3· · · ·some things that weren't really going on that were
·4· · · ·quite right in the Town of Haverhill.
·6· ·Q.· What were the bad eggs?
·7· ·A.· The former board with Matthew Bjelobrk and Darwin
·8· · · ·Clogston.
·9· ·Q.· So it's your testimony today that Mr. Hawkins had
10· · · ·expressed some personal disdain or dislike for
11· · · ·Mr. Bjelobrk and Mr. Clogston?
13· · · · · · · · ·You can answer.
14· ·A.· Definitely concern that the, way out in left field
15· · · ·but what are you doing, yes.
17· ·Q.· Did Mr. Hawkins ever explain why he disliked those
18· · · ·individuals?
20· ·A.· Not that I recall.
21· ·Q.· Do you know if it's because they were adverse to
22· · · ·Woodsville -- strike that.
23· · · · · · · · ·Is it because they were adverse to
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·1· · · ·Haverhill funding Woodsville?
·2· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Objection to form.
·3· ·A.· Very well could be.· I mean, assuming.
·5· ·Q.· You said it very well -- let me, let me get that
·6· · · ·clear for the record.· You stated that Mr. Hawkins
·7· · · ·could have a personal disdain or dislike for
·8· · · ·Mr. Bjelobrk and Mr. Clogston because they were
·9· · · ·adverse to Haverhill funding Woodsville's Highway
10· · · ·Department and Fire Services Operations; correct?
11· ·A.· Again, it's assumption, but yes.
12· ·Q.· Okay.
15· ·Q.· Kevin, before we transition to the next document,
16· · · ·Mr. Bjelobrk and Mr. Clogston were former members
17· · · ·of the select board at the time; correct?
19· ·Q.· Handing you, you were handed a document marked
20· · · ·Exhibit No. 10.
21· ·A.· Uh-huh.
22· ·Q.· These are emails between you and Christopher
23· · · ·Hawkins and Eric Maher at DTC --
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·2· ·Q.· Beginning in September 29, 2022, through
·3· · · ·October 19, 2022.· Do you see that?
·4· ·A.· Yes.
·5· ·Q.· If you turn to page 5, excuse me.· Have you had
·6· · · ·time to review these documents?
·7· ·A.· Sure.
·8· ·Q.· Could you look at the bottom of page 5.
·9· ·A.· Uh-huh.
10· ·Q.· It says attached -- Hello, Chris Hawkins.· Attached
11· · · ·is our letter to send to the DRA.· The letter was
12· · · ·authored by Lynn Macomber.· Also attached are the
13· · · ·warrant articles and the DRA letter of denial.
14· · · ·Thank you.· Do you see that?
15· ·A.· Yes.
16· ·Q.· Was there a triggering event that led you to
17· · · ·contact Mr. Hawkins back in September of 2022?
18· ·A.· Yeah, the lack of power the board had over town
19· · · ·administration.
20· ·Q.· What did you think Mr. Hawkins could do to assist
21· · · ·you?
22· ·A.· Was hoping for legal advice on what we can do and
23· · · ·moving forward around the town administration.
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·1· ·Q.· And Mr. Hawkins worked for DTC at the time?
·2· ·A.· Yes.· To my knowledge.· Yes, must have.· DTC.
·3· ·Q.· When you met with DTC in September of 2022, did
·4· · · ·either Chris Hawkins or Eric Maher inform you of
·5· · · ·DTC's conflict of interest?
·7· ·Q.· Did you ever have any discussions with Mr. Hawkins
·8· · · ·about conflict of interest?
10· ·Q.· Did the board as a whole ever discuss the conflict
11· · · ·with Mr. Hawkins and DTC?
12· ·A.· In, after we hired them?
13· ·Q.· At this time, back in September 2022.
14· ·A.· This was just, back in September 2022 was just
15· · · ·myself, Kevin Knapp, speaking to Christopher
16· · · ·Hawkins.
17· ·Q.· So it's your testimony today that you were reaching
18· · · ·out to Mr. Hawkins as a resident?
19· ·A.· Yes.
20· ·Q.· And not as a select board member?
21· ·A.· As a concerned select board member, but not as a
22· · · ·quorumed decision.
23· ·Q.· Could you look at page 4 of this exhibit.
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·1· ·A.· Yes.
·2· ·Q.· Which -- starting at the bottom of page 3.· It's an
·3· · · ·email from Eric Maher to you and Christopher
·4· · · ·Hawkins dated September 29, 2022.
·5· ·A.· Okay.
·6· ·Q.· Number 3 states, Did the town take any position
·7· · · ·during the DRA proceedings?· I note that the select
·8· · · ·board was not in favor of the petitioned warrant
·9· · · ·article.· Has the position changed?
10· · · · · · · · ·Do you see that?
11· ·A.· I do see that.
12· ·Q.· Now, what does it mean by the statement, "The
13· · · ·select board was not in favor of the petitioned
14· · · ·warrant article"?
15· ·A.· This was back in '22, so this was not -- this is
16· · · ·'22, right?
17· ·Q.· Uh-huh.
18· ·A.· I was not on the select board at that time for that
19· · · ·decision.· But, again, the next following year the
20· · · ·select board still voted that way because the
21· · · ·prices being inflated so high.
22· ·Q.· Could you explain?· What about the prices being
23· · · ·inflated?
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·1· ·A.· This is what they wanted was higher than what the
·2· · · ·board was willing to allow.· We weren't against the
·3· · · ·petition warrant articles; we were against the
·4· · · ·number.
·5· ·Q.· That means --
·6· ·A.· Not this board that they're talking about, but the
·7· · · ·next following years.
·8· ·Q.· But as to the statement in this email it states,
·9· · · ·The select board was not in favor of the petitioned
10· · · ·warrant article.· That's stating that the select
11· · · ·board, the previous select board that you were not
12· · · ·a part of, was not in favor of the petitioned
13· · · ·Warrant Articles 27 and 28; correct?
15· ·Q.· And DTC's acknowledging that the select board was
16· · · ·not in favor of the petitioned Warrant Articles 27
17· · · ·and 28; correct?
18· ·A.· Yes.
19· ·Q.· Could you look at page 3.
20· ·A.· Okay.
21· ·Q.· It's an email from Christopher Hawkins to you dated
22· · · ·September 29th, 2022, and the second sentence in it
23· · · ·states, We can certainly review the town manager's
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·1· · · ·contract and can discuss the board's goals and
·2· · · ·objectives going forward with respect to the
·3· · · ·Woodsville Fire District and other matters; do you
·4· · · ·see that?
·5· ·A.· Yes.
·6· ·Q.· What, what did you, what did you think DTC meant by
·7· · · ·asking you about discussing the board's goals and
·8· · · ·objectives going forward with the Woodsville Fire
·9· · · ·District?
10· ·A.· That was a hot topic in that time frame, and to
11· · · ·discuss what, what, where our position was, I
12· · · ·guess.· I don't recall the exact conversation.
13· ·Q.· If you were reaching out to DTC as a private
14· · · ·resident, why would DTC be responding to you
15· · · ·stating that they could review the town manager's
16· · · ·contract and discuss the board's goals and
17· · · ·objectives going forward with the Woodsville Fire
18· · · ·District?
19· ·A.· What do you mean?
20· ·Q.· Well, you previously testified that you were
21· · · ·reaching out to DTC as a private resident and not
22· · · ·as a select board member.
23· ·A.· Well, not as a voted decision of the select board;
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·1· · · ·but, no, I was fishing, I guess.
·2· ·Q.· Could you explain?
·3· ·A.· I was looking for what we could do as a board and
·4· · · ·go back to the board and try to go forward with
·5· · · ·legal advice.
·6· ·Q.· At any time during this conversation did DTC raise
·7· · · ·its conflict of interest?
·9· ·Q.· There's nowhere in these documents, in this
10· · · ·document that I handed you; correct?
11· ·A.· No, not that I'm aware of.
12· ·Q.· Now, you previously testified that you did not
13· · · ·recall there ever being a meeting voting to waive
14· · · ·DTC's conflict of interest; correct?
15· ·A.· I don't remember the meeting, no.
16· ·Q.· Okay.· And if there was a meeting waiving the
17· · · ·conflict of interest, there would have been meeting
18· · · ·minutes; correct?
19· ·A.· I believe that's a double-edged sword being a
20· · · ·nonpublic meeting and there were no nonpublic
21· · · ·minutes for any nonpublic meeting for the first
22· · · ·whole year we were on the board, to my knowledge.
23· ·Q.· Okay.· So it's your testimony that there's no
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·1· · · ·nonpublic meeting minutes?
·2· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Objection.· That's not what
·3· · · ·he said.
·4· ·A.· The way I remembered it, the only thing if we had
·5· · · ·something public, we would come out and make a
·6· · · ·motion to let townspeople know after we come out of
·7· · · ·nonpublic; but majority of the time there was just
·8· · · ·a discussion of personnel issues, which needed to
·9· · · ·be brought back up.
11· ·Q.· So, but if there was an action to be taken in a
12· · · ·nonpublic session, you would come back out of --
13· ·A.· If it was okay for the public to know.
14· ·Q.· Okay.· The only time it wouldn't be okay for the
15· · · ·public to know would be regarding personnel
16· · · ·matters?
17· ·A.· Yes.· And legal matters.
18· ·Q.· And legal matters?
19· ·A.· (Witness nods.)
20· ·Q.· What kind of legal matters?
21· ·A.· All.
22· ·Q.· Was the, did the select board -- strike that.
23· · · · · · · · ·Did DTC ever inform the select board of
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·1· · · ·the risks and alternatives regarding its conflict
·2· · · ·of interest?
·3· ·A.· Not that I recall.
·4· ·Q.· Do you recall voting as a select board at a duly
·5· · · ·noticed meeting formally waiving any potential
·6· · · ·conflict of interest?
·7· ·A.· I don't remember the motion or anything around or
·8· · · ·how that played out.
·9· ·Q.· So DTC never advised you of its conflict of
10· · · ·interest; correct?
12· ·A.· Yes, after we hired them or said to hire them.
13· · · ·Hired them.
15· ·Q.· Okay.
18· ·A.· Okay.
19· ·Q.· This is a document marked Exhibit No. 11.· It's an
20· · · ·email from you, Kevin Knapp, to Christopher Hawkins
21· · · ·dated November 23rd, 2022; do you see that?
23· ·Q.· Subject:· Town of Haverhill?
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·1· ·A.· Yup.
·2· ·Q.· Do you, are you familiar with this document?
·3· ·A.· Yes.· Yup.
·4· ·Q.· Did you ever inform DTC attorneys that you wanted
·5· · · ·to fire Brigitte Codling?
·6· ·A.· Yes, I did.
·7· ·Q.· What, what did they say?
·8· ·A.· Hold on now.· That's, not, it's not easy.· Told me
·9· · · ·it wasn't that easy.
10· ·Q.· They told you it wasn't that easy to fire her?
11· ·A.· In that email he tells me -- that's not the reply
12· · · ·to that one, but ...
13· ·Q.· So did you think that DTC would be hired
14· · · ·specifically to find a way to fire Brigitte?
15· ·A.· That was my goal, but no.
16· ·Q.· Why would -- strike that.
17· · · · · · · · ·Why would Chris Hawkins have an interest
18· · · ·in working with you to terminate Brigitte Codling?
19· ·A.· I don't know.· I just went off Michael Grahams's
20· · · ·synopsis of who these guys were and ran with it.
21· ·Q.· Now, did DTC ever take -- strike that.
22· · · · · · · · ·Did DTC ever advise you on how to
23· · · ·terminate Codling's contract?
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·1· ·A.· I recall the reply back to pay attention to Naomi
·2· · · ·and what she has to say.· That, as far as
·3· · · ·termination or anything like that, we never got
·4· · · ·very far.
·5· ·Q.· So not a whole lot of work was done on it?
·6· ·A.· No, not -- I mean, a whole lot of reviewing but not
·7· · · ·a whole lot of action.
·8· ·Q.· Okay.
·9· · · · · · · · ·(Exhibit 12, 1/5/23 Email, marked for
11· ·Q.· Handing you a document entitled No. 12, Deposition
12· · · ·Exhibit No. 12.· It's an email from Christopher
13· · · ·Hawkins to Eric Maher dated January 5th, 2023, and
14· · · ·it's a series of emails between you Christopher
15· · · ·Hawkins and Eric Maher.· And if you could turn to
16· · · ·the second page and review that email.· It's an
17· · · ·email from you to Christopher Hawkins dated January
18· · · ·4th, 2023.· Do you see that?
19· ·A.· Yes.
20· ·Q.· Why did you reach out to DTC on January 4th, 2023?
21· ·A.· 'Cause I got full board approval to hire them at an
22· · · ·hourly rate.
23· ·Q.· So what was the subject of DTC's proposed
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·1· · · ·representation at this time?
·2· ·A.· Personnel.
·3· ·Q.· So your general concern and need for legal advice
·4· · · ·was only focused on town manager?
·5· ·A.· From this law firm at this time, yes.
·6· ·Q.· And you previously testified that you believed that
·7· · · ·DTC was retained at the January 3rd meeting?
·8· ·A.· Yes.
·9· ·Q.· But it was in a nonmeeting?
10· ·A.· Nonpublic.
11· ·Q.· Nonpublic meeting.
13· · · ·Nonpublic Session Meeting Minutes, marked for
15· ·Q.· This is a document labeled Exhibit 13.· It's the
16· · · ·nonpublic session minutes from January 3rd, 2023.
17· · · ·Do you see that?
18· ·A.· Uh-huh.· Yes.
19· ·Q.· If you turn to the second page, it's a description
20· · · ·of matters discussed and final decisions made.· Do
21· · · ·you see that?
22· ·A.· Yes.
23· ·Q.· The town manager performance evaluation?
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·1· ·A.· Uh-huh.
·2· ·Q.· It doesn't say to hire DTC, does it?
·3· ·A.· No, it does not.
·4· ·Q.· You previously testified that there were no
·5· · · ·nonpublic meeting minutes during the first year
·6· · · ·that you were on the select board; correct?
·7· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Objection.· Inconsistent with
·8· · · ·what his actual testimony was.
·9· ·A.· Yeah, it kind of shows it right there, there's no
10· · · ·minutes.
11· ·Q.· Yeah.· If DTC was hired at the nonpublic meeting,
12· · · ·it would have been in the description of matters
13· · · ·discussed and final decisions made; correct?
15· · · · · · · · ·You can answer.
16· ·A.· Say that one more time.
18· ·Q.· I said if DTC was hired at the January 3rd, 2023,
19· · · ·nonpublic session --
20· ·A.· Yup.
21· ·Q.· -- it would have been in the description of matters
22· · · ·discussed and final decisions made; correct?
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·1· · · · · · · · ·You can answer.
·2· ·A.· Well, these were never approved minutes, so ...
·4· ·Q.· How do you know they weren't approved minutes?
·5· ·A.· We never approved them.· This is the first time
·6· · · ·I've ever seen them.
·7· ·Q.· Okay.· At any point prior to this date did DTC
·8· · · ·present you with a representation agreement?
·9· ·A.· No.
10· ·Q.· No.
13· ·Q.· You've been handed a document entitled Exhibit 14.
14· · · ·It's an email from you to Christopher Hawkins dated
15· · · ·January 10th, 2023.· Do you see that?
16· ·A.· Yes, I do.
17· ·Q.· Why would you write that the town canceled the use
18· · · ·of Drummond Woodsum?
19· ·A.· Well, on January 10th that's what we decided to do
20· · · ·as a board.
21· ·Q.· But that's not -- strike that.
22· · · · · · · · ·Where does it say that, that you canceled
23· · · ·the use of Drummond Woodsum?
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·1· ·A.· Well, if you listen to the recording, I'm sure you
·2· · · ·would get it.
·3· ·Q.· Is there a recording?
·4· ·A.· No.
·5· ·Q.· No?
·6· ·A.· No.· Well, I shouldn't say that because I don't
·7· · · ·know if the room in the Memorial building is
·8· · · ·surveillanced or not, so there may be.
·9· ·Q.· Did the board ever vote to terminate the town's
10· · · ·representation of Drummond Woodsum?
11· ·A.· No.
12· ·Q.· No?
13· ·A.· No.
14· ·Q.· Okay.
16· · · ·identification, marked for identification.)
17· ·A.· Okay.
18· ·Q.· This is a document entitled or labeled Deposition
19· · · ·Exhibit No. 15.· It's an email from you, Kevin
20· · · ·Knapp, to Christopher Hawkins dated January 11th,
21· · · ·2023.· Do you see?
22· ·A.· Uh-huh yes.
23· ·Q.· On the first page it states, Mr. Hawkins writes to
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·1· · · ·you and says, Kevin, Jennifer Boucher called Eric.
·2· · · ·Eric discussed our conflict with her.· Do you see
·3· · · ·that?
·4· ·A.· Uh-huh.· Yes.
·5· ·Q.· Is that the conflict, DTC's conflict of interest
·6· · · ·he's referring to?
·7· ·A.· I assume.
·8· ·Q.· Now, did you ever think to attempt to locate an
·9· · · ·attorney who didn't have a conflict?
10· ·A.· No.
11· ·Q.· No.· Now, you previously testified about the
12· · · ·conflict and being, and DTC's conflict of interest.
13· · · ·But what about mandatory arbitration insofar as any
14· · · ·fee dispute?· Did DTC ever discuss any arbitration
15· · · ·with you?
16· ·A.· I don't recall.
17· ·Q.· So you don't recall if DTC ever discussed
18· · · ·arbitrating any fee dispute with you?
19· ·A.· Yes, I don't recall.
20· ·Q.· Okay.
22· · · ·Meeting Minutes, marked for identification.)
23· ·Q.· Kevin, this is a document entitled Deposition
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·1· · · ·Exhibit No. 16.· It's the Town of Haverhill Select
·2· · · ·Board Meeting Minutes dated January 12, 2023.· Do
·3· · · ·you see that?
·4· ·A.· I do.
·5· ·Q.· Have you had a chance to review it?
·6· ·A.· Yes.
·7· ·Q.· Now, could you, this is a one-page document --
·8· ·A.· Uh-huh.
·9· ·Q.· -- of the meeting minutes.· It's the meeting with
10· · · ·Cinde Warmington and the select board.
11· ·A.· Yes.
12· ·Q.· States, and this is dated January 12th.· It states,
13· · · ·Cinde asked who her single point of contact should
14· · · ·be for Haverhill, and this is regarding the DRA
15· · · ·rate setting matter?
16· ·A.· Uh-huh.
17· ·Q.· And the select board stated that Cinde Warmington
18· · · ·should communicate with town administration as the
19· · · ·town's single point of contact?
20· ·A.· Uh-huh.· Yes.
21· ·Q.· So the select board had informed Cinde Warmington
22· · · ·to contact town administration regarding the DRA
23· · · ·tax rate matter?
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·1· ·A.· Yes.
·2· ·Q.· Now, did Cinde Warmington assist the town with
·3· · · ·setting the tax rate?
·4· ·A.· Yes, she did.
·5· ·Q.· Is it your opinion that Cinde Warmington resolved
·6· · · ·the tax rate setting matter?
·7· ·A.· She had a big help in the matter.
·8· ·Q.· Do you think that it was largely because of Cinde
·9· · · ·Warmington?
10· ·A.· I don't know.
11· ·Q.· Do these meeting minutes show that DTC was hired on
12· · · ·January 12th, 2023?
13· ·A.· They do not.
14· ·Q.· What?
15· ·A.· They do not.
16· ·Q.· So DTC was not hired on January 12th, 2023?
17· ·A.· January 4th or January 3rd and January 10th and
18· · · ·again on January 17th as ratified.
19· ·Q.· Did DTC do anything independently to assist the
20· · · ·town in setting the rate or was it Cinde
21· · · ·Warmington?
22· ·A.· Yes, they did things to set the rate.
23· ·Q.· What did DTC do to assist the town in setting the
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·1· · · ·rate?
·2· ·A.· I know they talked to the DRA, sent a letter to the
·3· · · ·DRA.
·4· ·Q.· So it's your testimony that the letter was DTC's
·5· · · ·work on the tax rate matter?
·6· ·A.· Yes.
·7· ·Q.· Okay.
·8· · · · · · · · ·(Exhibit 17, 1/23/23 Letter, marked for
10· ·Q.· Just review the first page of this document.· This
11· · · ·is a document entitled Deposition Exhibit No. 17.
12· · · ·It's a letter from Eric Maher and Chris Hawkins at
13· · · ·DTC dated January 23rd, 2023, to the DRA.
14· ·A.· Okay.
15· ·Q.· Or excuse me -- strike that.
16· · · · · · · · ·This is a letter, a document entitled
17· · · ·Exhibit 17.· This is a letter from the DRA to
18· · · ·Attorneys Eric Maher and Christopher Hawkins at DTC
19· · · ·responding to your letter of January 13th, the
20· · · ·letter that you had just talked about.
21· ·A.· Yes.
22· · · · · · · · ·(Pause.)
23· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Okay.· We will go off the
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·1· · · ·record for a second.
·2· · · · · · · · ·(Discussion held off the record.)
·3· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Back on the record.
·5· ·Q.· So this is a letter that DRA had sent to DTC in
·6· · · ·response to DTC's letter that we, that you had just
·7· · · ·mentioned?
·8· ·A.· Yes.
·9· ·Q.· Okay.· And you had previously testified that DTC's
10· · · ·work on the DRA rate setting matter was that letter
11· · · ·that they had sent to the DRA?
12· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Objection.· Not consistent
13· · · ·with his testimony.
14· ·A.· Yeah.
16· ·Q.· So if you could look at that second paragraph.
17· ·A.· Yup.
18· ·Q.· It says, First, you should be aware that the
19· · · ·department proceeded to set the rates as requested
20· · · ·by the town in spite of your letter, not because of
21· · · ·it.· Do you see that?
22· ·A.· Yup.
23· ·Q.· So the DRA set the tax rate not because of DTC's
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·1· · · ·letter; correct?
·3· · · · · · · · ·You can answer.
·4· ·A.· Sounds to me like somebody's butt hurt.
·5· ·Q.· Butt hurt over what?
·6· ·A.· The bullying.
·7· ·Q.· The bullying by who?
·8· ·A.· From lawyers.
·9· ·Q.· But you acknowledge that the DRA stated that DTC
10· · · ·should be aware that the department proceeded to
11· · · ·set the tax rates as requested by the town in spite
12· · · ·of DTC's letter, not because of it?
13· ·A.· Well, that's what the DRA is stating, yes.
14· ·Q.· Okay.· Thank you.
15· · · · · · · · ·(Exhibit 18, 1/31/23 Letter, marked for
17· ·Q.· Kevin, this is, you were handed a document entitled
18· · · ·Deposition Exhibit No. 18.· This is the
19· · · ·representation agreement that DTC had sent to Steve
20· · · ·Robbins dated January 31st, 2023.· Do you see that?
21· ·A.· Yes.
22· ·Q.· Why was this document dated January 31st, 2023, if
23· · · ·you started working with DTC back in
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·1· · · ·September 2022?
·2· ·A.· We did not start working.· I started talking to
·3· · · ·them.· We never started working until January 3rd
·4· · · ·or 4th, and this is the lapse in time.
·5· ·Q.· So why wouldn't it be dated January 4th, 2023, if
·6· · · ·that's when you started working with DTC?
·7· ·A.· Because that's the day that the letter came out. I
·8· · · ·don't have an answer for that.
·9· ·Q.· Were you aware that Steve Robbins had signed this,
10· · · ·this representation agreement on February 8th,
11· · · ·2023?
12· ·A.· I don't remember the day; but yes.
13· ·Q.· That was long after the DRA rate setting matter was
14· · · ·concluded; correct?
16· · · · · · · · ·You can answer.
17· ·A.· Yes.
19· ·Q.· So the representation agreement was submitted to
20· · · ·the town after the DRA tax rate setting matter was
21· · · ·resolved; correct?
22· ·A.· Yes.
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·1· · · ·Meeting Minutes, marked for identification.)
·2· ·Q.· Could you, this is Deposition Exhibit No. 19.
·3· · · ·These are the Town of Haverhill Select Board
·4· · · ·Meeting Minutes from November 20th, 2023.· Could
·5· · · ·you please review page 1 and then 6, 7 and 8 and 9.
·6· ·A.· Yup.· What about it.
·7· ·Q.· Are you familiar with this document?
·8· ·A.· Yeah, I was there.
·9· ·Q.· Are these meeting minutes accurate?
10· ·A.· Fairly.
11· ·Q.· How are they not accurate?
12· ·A.· For one, this was a crucifixion, not a member, so I
13· · · ·don't ...
14· ·Q.· But you approved the meeting minutes, didn't you?
15· ·A.· Yeah, I'm sure I did.
16· ·Q.· Okay.· So they were accurate enough for you to vote
17· · · ·to approve the meeting minutes?
18· ·A.· Yeah.
19· ·Q.· Okay.· So if you could do turn to page 6 of the
20· · · ·November 20th, 2023, Meeting Minutes for the Town
21· · · ·of Haverhill.· It says that Matthew Bjelobrk
22· · · ·presented copies of emails that he had acquired
23· · · ·through the submission of requests under RSA 91-A;
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·1· · · ·the emails were related to the conduce -- which I
·2· · · ·believe is the conduct -- of Kevin Knapp through
·3· · · ·the second half of 2022 and first three months of
·4· · · ·2023.
·5· · · · · · · · ·Do you see that?
·6· ·A.· Yup.
·7· ·Q.· So Mr. Bjelobrk asked you why you had used your
·8· · · ·personal email address for town business.
·9· · · · · · · · ·And you responded that it was due to
10· · · ·conspiracy theories and lack of trust between the
11· · · ·board and town administration; is that true?
12· ·A.· Yes.
14· · · · · · · · ·We need some instruction as to how this
15· · · ·is relevant to what I would expect or anticipate
16· · · ·may be or might be the town's reply or response in
17· · · ·connection with these motions for summary judgment.
18· · · · · · · · ·How is it relevant and where is this
19· · · ·going?
20· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· It, just give me a minute
21· · · ·because it goes into the DTC (indicating) --
22· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Well, if you're pointing at a
23· · · ·document, you're not going to spoil the end of a
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·1· ·murder mystery by telling me where this is going.
·2· · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· This is relevant to summary
·3· ·judgment, and it's relevant to the questions that
·4· ·you asked Kevin.
·5· · · · · · ·It, he had previously testified about
·6· ·Matthew Bjelobrk and his correspondence with DTC in
·7· ·September and October and in January with DTC.
·8· ·It's completely relevant to summary judgment.
·9· · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· How, is my question, is it
10· ·relevant?· These are none of the issues that you on
11· ·behalf of the town presented in either of the
12· ·summary judgments.
13· · · · · · ·And the order is fairly clear, I've given
14· ·quite a bit of latitude here.· You've reserved all
15· ·the objections.· As far as examining or conducting
16· ·questions during this deposition that gives us the
17· ·ability to -- this is your guy.
18· · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Yes.
19· · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· How does this fit under the
20· ·Court's order?· And then also this document that
21· ·you're asking your own client about --
22· · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Yes.
23· · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· -- how is this relevant?· How
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·1· ·does it fit under the order?· I've been patient and
·2· ·I've been waiting, and this just goes off the map.
·3· · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Okay.· Thanks, Jim.· I can
·4· ·respond to that.· It specifically talks about the
·5· ·alleged retention of DTC's services, which are
·6· ·solely at issue in the summary judgment motion.
·7· · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· And what does this document
·8· ·then have to do with that if it's clear testimony
·9· ·from the deponent as to what his understanding is
10· ·as to when the board retained or hired DTC first
11· ·for employment issue or personnel issue and then
12· ·DRA issue?
13· · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· It specifically talks about
14· ·those very issues.
15· · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· In what context insofar as
16· ·his testimony, your own guy's testimony --
17· · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Correct.
18· · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· You could get an affidavit
19· ·for this.· Why are we going through this?
20· · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Because this is relevant to
21· ·summary judgment.· It's relevant to the issues that
22· ·we were presented.
23· · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· You filed the town's two
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·1· ·motions for summary judgment already.· You raised
·2· ·issues that you believed were relevant.· You had
·3· ·access to these documents through your client --
·4· · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Sure.
·5· · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· You didn't raise them on
·6· ·summary judgment motions that the town has already
·7· ·filed.
·8· · · · · · ·We have a court order saying we get to
·9· ·conduct discovery for the narrow scope of what?
10· ·For us to be able to draft and prepare our clients'
11· ·objection.· Not just -- this is exactly what you
12· ·fought against in getting the order.· This is
13· ·totally improper.
14· · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· I disagree --
15· · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Well, I know you would
16· ·agree[sic], but this is totally.· We have, as you
17· ·pointed out when I have been taking depositions of
18· ·your clients, that we have an order narrowly
19· ·crafted.· You need to stay within it, and you're
20· ·outside of it right now.
21· · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· I disagree with you.
22· · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· I know.
23· · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· This is specifically relevant
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·1· ·to summary judgment.· It's --
·2· · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Then you would have put it in
·3· ·your motion when you filed it with the Court.· You
·4· ·didn't put it in your motion.· It doesn't ever come
·5· ·relevant until we file our clients' objection.
·6· ·Then arguably.
·7· · · · · · ·But it's your motion.
·8· · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· This is specifically related
·9· ·to the issues that have been testified today that
10· ·you've asked about.· This talks about Articles 27
11· ·and 28.· It talks about the alleged retention of
12· ·DTC.· I'm just going through it just --
13· · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· With your own client.· The
14· ·order does not apply to the town deposing its own
15· ·client.· You have access to your client.
16· · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· This is --
17· · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· What the heck is needed for a
18· ·deposition?· What's needed?· You have, if we bring
19· ·the issues up and you then file a reply, then you
20· ·get to produce an affidavit from Mr. Knapp
21· ·addressing whatever you want to address; not in
22· ·accordance with the Court's order for our client to
23· ·conduct discovery, the limited purpose of being
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·1· ·able to draft our clients' objection.
·2· · · · · · ·This is not relevant.· You may see it.
·3· ·You're going way beyond what the court order says.
·4· ·End of story.· Show me, pull up the court order and
·5· ·show me where it says that.
·6· · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Jim, this is directly in
·7· ·response to what you have --
·8· · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Show me where the court order
·9· ·says it.· I have been playing completely by the
10· ·rules and not gone over.
11· · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· I disagree with that.· I've
12· ·given you a lot of latitude.
13· · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Every time you've raised an
14· ·objection, I have pointed out and tied it directly
15· ·to one of your exhibits.
16· · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Uh-huh.
17· · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· It's one of your exhibits,
18· ·not something that we are proactively thinking we
19· ·are going to submit into the future.· Show me the
20· ·order.
21· · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· All these exhibits that you
22· ·brought up with Brigitte were not part of, or not
23· ·all of them, but several of them were not part of
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·1· ·the summary judgment motion.
·2· · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· They're town documents, which
·3· ·we don't have access to, which is why we needed to
·4· ·take this deposition in discovery; but according to
·5· ·the order, for the limited purpose of being able to
·6· ·get discovery to draft our clients' objection to
·7· ·what the town already filed.
·8· · · · · · ·If the town wanted that in there, or
·9· ·anything we've been going over, the town should
10· ·have put it in because it's your client and your
11· ·clients' documents.· You have full access to it.
12· · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· So you instructing Mr. Knapp
13· ·not to respond?
14· · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· That would be really odd
15· ·since it's your client.
16· · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Exactly, so let me --
17· · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· So I'm looking to see where
18· ·in the order is your legal basis.
19· · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· My legal basis is responding
20· ·to your questioning that you've made of Kevin.
21· · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Which we haven't put into an
22· ·objection yet.
23· · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Today.
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·1· · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Yeah.· Well, okay, great.
·2· ·And if we do then use it -- again, discovery or
·3· ·discoverable material does not have to do with
·4· ·admissibility -- we need to conduct discovery and
·5· ·then take some pieces out of those things we found
·6· ·in discovery and then draft and submit our clients'
·7· ·objection to the motion that the town's already
·8· ·filed.
·9· · · · · · ·We can't put anything additional into our
10· ·objection that the town hasn't put on the table.
11· ·That's exactly why I'm asking you to point to the
12· ·court order where it says that the town gets to do
13· ·this and go out across the Kansas prairies here,
14· ·wherever you want to go.· It's your own client. I
15· ·don't get what you don't get.
16· · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Can we go off record for a
17· ·second.
18· · · · · · ·(Recess taken.)
19· · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Back on the record.· Okay.
20· ·So Attorney Kline and I have had an extended
21· ·discussion regarding the line of questions that he
22· ·was asking regarding -- what were the minutes?
23· · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· The November 20th, 2023,
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·1· ·meeting minutes.
·2· · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Yes, November 20th, 2023.· At
·3· ·which point in time it became evident that the
·4· ·town's deposition of its, town attorneys' own
·5· ·deposition of its own client, being Mr. Knapp, a
·6· ·current member of the board of selectmen, was
·7· ·clearly beyond the scope of the Court's order for
·8· ·limited or focused discovery in order for the
·9· ·defendant in this matter to prepare and draft its
10· ·clients' objection to the town's two motions for
11· ·summary judgment.
12· · · · · · ·And an extended discussion as to where in
13· ·the court's order the court allowed or authorized
14· ·the town to conduct additional discovery in
15· ·connection with the discovery that the defendant
16· ·was allowed to do for preparation of its objection.
17· · · · · · ·Counsel for the town has proposed to
18· ·cease further questions regarding the November
19· ·20th, 2013[sic], minutes of the select board.
20· · · · · · ·And further wants to ask -- off the
21· ·record for a second.
22· · · · · · ·(Recess taken.)
23· · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Sorry, 2023.· Back on.· Town
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·1· ·counsel wants to continue on with the deposition
·2· ·asking its own client about invoices that were
·3· ·submitted to the town from DTC in connection with
·4· ·the issues that are present in this lawsuit.
·5· · · · · · ·The defendant continues to point out that
·6· ·all objections were preserved at the beginning of
·7· ·this deposition, which includes the defendant's
·8· ·objection to the town taking the deposition of its
·9· ·own client in the first place; but also that this
10· ·part of the deposition that the town's conducting
11· ·is beyond the scope of the court's order
12· ·authorizing discovery to occur before the motion
13· ·for summary judgment have been disposed of.
14· · · · · · ·So at this time, reserving those
15· ·objections, it's been, the town counsel has
16· ·informed me that the only questions that are coming
17· ·are relating to the invoices that DTC submitted.
18· ·And with those objections reserved, in the interest
19· ·of the deponent, who has been inconvenienced here,
20· ·and to preserve the record, we are going to go
21· ·forward, but there very well may be motions or
22· ·documents filed with the Court to quash this
23· ·portion of the deposition.
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·1· · · · · · · · ·I will let Attorney Kline address the
·2· · · ·record if he has anything.
·3· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Thank you, Jim.· I just
·4· · · ·disagree with Jim's characterization and his
·5· · · ·interpretation that the town cannot respond to the
·6· · · ·deposition questioning that DTC has had of
·7· · · ·Mr. Knapp.
·8· · · · · · · · ·And in the interest of time and for the
·9· · · ·attorneys and the deponent, we will just move on to
10· · · ·questioning regarding a different document.
11· · · · · · · · ·(Exhibit 20, Invoices, marked for
14· ·Q.· Kevin, you were handed a document, Deposition
15· · · ·Exhibit 20.· These are invoices from DTC to Steve
16· · · ·Robbins, vice chair of the Town of Haverhill. I
17· · · ·will just have you look at the first page.
18· ·A.· Okay.
19· ·Q.· Do you see there's a billing entry for
20· · · ·September 29th, 2022?
21· ·A.· I do.
22· ·Q.· Do you know why that billing entry was there if you
23· · · ·previously testified that you were discussing this
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·1· · · ·matter with DTC as a resident and not a board
·2· · · ·member?
·3· ·A.· Well, ask you a simple question?
·4· ·Q.· Do you see the billing entry for September 29th,
·5· · · ·2022?
·6· ·A.· Yes.
·7· ·Q.· Do you know what it's for?
·8· ·A.· I do know what it's for.· I guess you're looking
·9· · · ·for I don't know why it's charged to the town.
10· ·Q.· Yeah, why is it charged to the town?
11· ·A.· I don't know why.
12· ·Q.· Was it originally part of invoices from DTC?
13· ·A.· I do not remember.
14· ·Q.· Do you know why DTC's representation agreement
15· · · ·wasn't dated September 29th, 2022, when it
16· · · ·purportedly started to represent the town?
17· ·A.· 'Cause they weren't hired until January 3rd, 2023.
18· ·Q.· As you've testified previously, there was no action
19· · · ·taken by the select board on January 3rd, 2023;
21· ·A.· Prior to January 3rd; correct.
22· ·Q.· At the January 3rd, 2023, meeting?
23· ·A.· Yes.
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·1· ·Q.· Okay.· Do you recall voting to file this lawsuit to
·2· · · ·determine whether there's a contract between DTC
·3· · · ·and the town?
·4· ·A.· I do remember voting to file whatever you call it
·5· · · ·to find out who was right.
·6· ·Q.· So you voted in favor of filing this lawsuit;
·8· ·A.· To find out who was right; correct.
·9· ·Q.· And when, to find out who was correct is to find
10· · · ·out whether there's a contract between DTC and the
11· · · ·town?
12· ·A.· I guess at that time I wasn't familiar with what
13· · · ·the actual lawsuit was going to be; I was just more
14· · · ·of the matters of covering my own name and the
15· · · ·previous board members that we did nothing wrong.
16· ·Q.· You know you previously talked about this BOS
17· · · ·email, Gmail account?
18· ·A.· Yes.
19· ·Q.· Who advised you to form that?
20· ·A.· I believe DTC did.
21· ·Q.· Why did they advise you to form this secret email
22· · · ·account?
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·2· ·Q.· Or why did, well, why did they advise you to form
·3· · · ·the Gmail account outside of the town's network?
·4· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Objection.· Asked and
·5· · · ·answered.
·6· · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Are you --
·7· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· You can answer it.
·8· · · · · · · · ·Have her find it and read it back.· It's
·9· · · ·already, I already asked it and he already answered
10· · · ·it.
14· ·Q.· Just review the first page.
15· ·A.· Read the first page?
16· ·Q.· Yeah, just review the first page.· This is Exhibit,
17· · · ·Deposition Exhibit for Kevin Knapp No. 20[sic];
18· · · ·Deposition Exhibit for Brigitte Codling Exhibit 3.
19· · · · · · · · ·This shows that there was an email that
20· · · ·you forwarded from your Town of Haverhill town
21· · · ·account to your personal account on April 20th,
22· · · ·2024?
23· ·A.· Uh-huh, yes.
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·1· ·Q.· And then that email was then forwarded to Steve
·2· · · ·Robbins?
·3· ·A.· Yes.
·4· ·Q.· And then Steve Robbins had forward that email to
·5· · · ·Tara Lynch, who's an attorney for DTC, on April 20,
·6· · · ·2024.· Do you see that at the top?
·7· ·A.· Okay.· Yes.
·8· ·Q.· So your emails were forwarded to Steve, which then
·9· · · ·were forwarded to the attorneys for DTC; do you see
10· · · ·that?
11· ·A.· I do see that.
12· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· I have no further questions.
13· · · ·Thank you.
14· · · · · · · · · · · · ·**********
15· · · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
17· ·Q.· Mr. Knapp, I have some follow-up based upon the
18· · · ·questions that town's attorney asked you so that we
19· · · ·have it all on one or in one transcript for
20· · · ·continuity sake.
21· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Go off the record.
22· · · · · · · · ·(Recess taken.)
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·2· ·Q.· Okay.· Mr. Knapp, I'm just going to have some
·3· · · ·follow-up questions regarding the questions that
·4· · · ·the town attorney asked you.
·5· · · · · · · · ·With respect to Exhibit No. 5 that was
·6· · · ·marked by the town for your deposition, it's the
·7· · · ·standard, so called standard operating procedures.
·8· · · ·Do you have that in front of you?
·9· ·A.· Yes, I do.
10· ·Q.· So you were asked some questions about the first,
11· · · ·the items on the first page and then the items on
12· · · ·the second page.· Do you generally recall being
13· · · ·asked questions about this document?
14· ·A.· Yes, I do.
15· ·Q.· What do you have as far as an understanding as to
16· · · ·whether the statements in this document are
17· · · ·mandatory or are they guidance and something that
18· · · ·the members need to strive for; do you know?
19· ·A.· Something we should strive for.
20· ·Q.· Okay.· And are you generally familiar that there
21· · · ·are, in New Hampshire there are state statutes or
22· · · ·state laws that dictate or mandate what a board
23· · · ·member for a select board must do?
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·1· ·A.· Yes.
·2· ·Q.· Okay.· And prior to today you had seen, you had
·3· · · ·seen these, this document, these standard operating
·4· · · ·procedures?
·5· ·A.· Yes.
·6· ·Q.· Okay.· What is your assessment or your opinion as
·7· · · ·to whether or not these standard operating
·8· · · ·procedures cover or address all situations that the
·9· · · ·select board encounters?· Do they cover everything?
10· ·A.· No.
11· ·Q.· Okay.· And then at the, in the third page into this
12· · · ·document you were asked a question about No. 5 at
13· · · ·the very top of page 3, which states, All action
14· · · ·shall be by roll-call vote to ensure the minutes
15· · · ·reflect actions of the board members.· Do you see
16· · · ·that?
17· ·A.· Yes, I do.
18· ·Q.· So is it true that if something that a board member
19· · · ·said or did or something that the board took action
20· · · ·on doesn't appear in some official minutes, it
21· · · ·never happened?
22· ·A.· No.· Just because the minutes are missing doesn't
23· · · ·mean it didn't happen.
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·1· ·Q.· So what the minutes represent are, in your, your
·2· · · ·understanding, the minutes don't represent, like we
·3· · · ·have here, a word-for-word recording, written
·4· · · ·recording of what everybody said and what
·5· · · ·everything that was done in that meeting; correct
·6· · · ·(indicating)?
·8· ·Q.· Okay.· If you could you take a look at No. 6, we
·9· · · ·are done with No. 5, and No. 6.
10· ·A.· Yup.
11· ·Q.· With respect to No. 6 or Exhibit No. 6 they're the
12· · · ·minutes from the March 2020 meeting, which I
13· · · ·believe you stated was prior, almost well prior to
14· · · ·your time being on the board; correct?
15· ·A.· Yes.
16· ·Q.· Okay.· And there was the question about that
17· · · ·summary of the, you know, all legal matters
18· · · ·relating to Woodsville.· Nowhere in there does that
19· · · ·document say that the board of selectmen also gave
20· · · ·up any and all power that it had to still do
21· · · ·anything with respect to all legal matters with
22· · · ·respect to Woodsville; right?
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·3· ·A.· No, it does not.
·4· ·Q.· And that would be consistent with your memory or
·5· · · ·your recollection of, you know, everything that's
·6· · · ·been conducted while you've been a board member is
·7· · · ·that the board of selectmen still did have power to
·8· · · ·act and do things in connection with legal matters
·9· · · ·relating to Woodsville; correct?
13· ·A.· Yes.
14· ·Q.· Okay.· If you could, take a look at Exhibit No. 8,
15· · · ·which is, I believe, the letter from the DRA?
16· ·A.· Yes.
17· ·Q.· So this, I'm sorry if this is a little bit
18· · · ·difficult to, you know, chew on, so to speak, for
19· · · ·your brain to chew on by me asking this question,
20· · · ·but just pay attention to the dates if you would.
21· · · · · · · · ·So with respect to this letter from DRA
22· · · ·that's dated December 22nd of 2023, is it?
23· ·A.· 2022.
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·1· ·Q.· '22.· Thank you.· I miswrote that.· So
·2· · · ·December 22nd, 2022, did or would have the board of
·3· · · ·selectmen back in March of 2020 have that letter?
·4· · · ·Would the board in March of 2020 have had this
·5· · · ·letter from --
·6· ·A.· Oh, no.· No.
·7· ·Q.· Again, it seems pretty obvious, unless someone has
·8· · · ·a time machine, right, they wouldn't have had that
·9· · · ·letter.
10· · · · · · · · ·Okay.· Do you have exhibit or can you
11· · · ·have Exhibit 10?
12· ·A.· I have Exhibit 10.
13· ·Q.· Okay.· You were asked a question regarding page 4
14· · · ·of that document, and I guess there was an item
15· · · ·number, No. 3 or something?
16· ·A.· There is an item 3.
17· ·Q.· Yes.· So you were asked about that item No. 3;
19· ·A.· Yes.
20· ·Q.· Okay.· That item No. 3 does not say anywhere or
21· · · ·anywhere in the other item numbers it doesn't say
22· · · ·that a position needed to be taken to either oppose
23· · · ·or invalidate the two articles --
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·1· ·A.· No.
·2· ·Q.· -- correct?
·4· ·Q.· And then if you go back and look at what was marked
·5· · · ·Exhibit 13, January 3rd, 2023.
·6· ·A.· Yes.
·7· ·Q.· Okay.· And you did not draft that document;
·9· ·A.· No.
10· ·Q.· So that isn't your handwriting; correct?
11· ·A.· No.· And I don't know if that's Fred's.
12· ·Q.· Okay.· But you don't have handwriting that --
13· ·A.· No, mine's not that --
14· ·Q.· Not that neat; correct?
15· ·A.· No.
16· ·Q.· So if it literally physically wasn't your hand that
17· · · ·filled in the handwritten portions of that
18· · · ·document, did you have say in it, either literally
19· · · ·or figuratively?· Did you say, No, this should be
20· · · ·written that way.· You didn't contribute to the
21· · · ·document?
22· ·A.· No.· No.· The only contribulation that I remember
23· · · ·of the minutes of that meeting is how do you give
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·1· · · ·the minutes back to town manager when we are
·2· · · ·talking about hiring a firm for firing town, for --
·3· ·Q.· And you had, I believe you testified that you had
·4· · · ·not seen this document before today?
·6· ·Q.· I believe a couple of times you were asked about,
·7· · · ·the town's attorney asked you about when you
·8· · · ·understood that the board of selectmen hired or
·9· · · ·retained DTC in connection with either the, you
10· · · ·know, the DRA issue or the personnel issue, and
11· · · ·then the date of the written agreement with respect
12· · · ·to the board of selectmen hiring or retaining DTC.
13· · · · · · · · ·Are you aware of any requirement that in
14· · · ·order for either a board of selectmen or an
15· · · ·individual to hire an attorney it has to be in
16· · · ·writing?
17· ·A.· I have no idea about how you have to do things
18· · · ·legally with legal counsel.
19· ·Q.· Okay.· So you're looking at exhibit, what's been
20· · · ·marked for your deposition Exhibit 15.· It's a
21· · · ·January 11th email.· Do you have that?
22· ·A.· Yes, I do.
23· ·Q.· Okay.· So with respect to the email that is the
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·1· · · ·second down, so it says on January 11, 2023, 2:03
·2· · · ·p.m.· Do you see that line?
·3· ·A.· Yes, I do.
·4· ·Q.· So we go down below that.· It says, Kevin, it's
·5· · · ·sort of a greeting.· And underneath that is a block
·6· · · ·of text that in part says that Eric discussed our
·7· · · ·conflict issue with her.
·8· · · · · · · · ·Do you know what that conflict issue that
·9· · · ·was discussed, what it was?
10· ·A.· I can't say as I know what it was --
11· ·Q.· Okay.
12· ·A.· -- but I'm kind of leaning towards it was the
13· · · ·conflict issue with Drummond and Woodsum.
14· ·Q.· Okay.
15· ·A.· -- at that point.
16· ·Q.· Okay.· Because of the date?
17· ·A.· Yes.
18· ·Q.· So if you could take a look at what has,
19· · · ·single-page document that has been marked as No. 16
20· · · ·or Exhibit 16?
21· ·A.· Yes.
22· ·Q.· It's the January 12th, 2023, select board meeting
23· · · ·minutes.· Do you have that?
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·1· ·A.· I do have that.
·2· ·Q.· Okay.· And in the, sort of just below the halfway
·3· · · ·point on that document there's a paragraph begins
·4· · · ·with the word Discussion in bold.· And then looking
·5· · · ·on the left-hand edge five lines up from the bottom
·6· · · ·of end of that paragraph, follow that sentence
·7· · · ·across.
·8· · · · · · · · ·The next sentence on that fives line up
·9· · · ·it starts with either, it's Cinde, C-I-N-D-E, Cinde
10· · · ·asked who her single point of contact should be for
11· · · ·Haverhill and the select board.· Do you see that
12· · · ·line?
13· ·A.· Yes, I do.
14· ·Q.· And you were asked about that particular line by
15· · · ·the town's attorney; correct?
17· ·Q.· Okay.· If you could look at the rest of that
18· · · ·paragraph, does it say anywhere in there -- again,
19· · · ·this is an official minutes of that meeting -- does
20· · · ·it say anywhere in there that the select board
21· · · ·stated that it did not have any authority to
22· · · ·address any DRA matters?
23· ·A.· No, it does not.
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·1· ·Q.· If you could take a look at number or the document
·2· · · ·that's been labeled No. 17.· It is the letter from
·3· · · ·the Department of Revenue Administration dated
·4· · · ·January 23rd of 2023.· Do you have that?
·5· ·A.· I have it in front of me.
·6· ·Q.· Okay.· So when you were asked about this letter,
·7· · · ·and specifically the second paragraph in there,
·8· · · ·this letter in the whole timeline of things, this
·9· · · ·letter certainly was sent after Executive Councilor
10· · · ·Cinde Warmington inserted herself into this DRA
11· · · ·issue and the problem that it was causing the town;
16· ·Q.· Because that was even before the midpoint of
17· · · ·January.· Before January 15th she, sort of, jumped
18· · · ·into the fray; correct?
19· ·A.· Yes, that was January 12th.
20· ·Q.· Correct.· So then we basically got this letter of
21· · · ·January 23, and Executive Councilor Warmington had
22· · · ·notified or explained to the town that she had gone
23· · · ·and spoken with DRA, the attorney general's office,
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·1· · · ·the governor's office.· She had, sort of, made the
·2· · · ·political rounds; correct?
·3· ·A.· To my knowledge.
·4· ·Q.· Yeah.· And then this letter comes back out or is
·5· · · ·issued after DRA appears to have been called on the
·6· · · ·carpet, because they really turned their act around
·7· · · ·and corrected and issued the tax rates or set the
·8· · · ·tax rate pretty soon after --
11· ·Q.· -- correct?· You can answer.
12· ·A.· Yes.
13· ·Q.· Okay.· Take a look at No. 18 now.· No. 18 is the
14· · · ·letter from DTC dated January 31, 2023.· You have
15· · · ·that in front of you?
16· ·A.· I do.
17· ·Q.· And in the very first paragraph, third line down,
18· · · ·it states that there was going to be or proposal of
19· · · ·work to be done regarding investigation of warrant
20· · · ·articles, DRA and personnel issues.· That's
21· · · ·consistent with your understanding of the work or
22· · · ·legal services that DTC provided for the town from
23· · · ·January 31st going back in time; correct?
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·4· ·A.· Yes.
·5· ·Q.· As far as that first paragraph goes then, is there
·6· · · ·anything that the board of selectmen asked DTC to
·7· · · ·do that isn't described or identified in that very
·8· · · ·first paragraph?
·9· ·A.· No.
10· ·Q.· No.
11· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Those are all the questions I
12· · · ·have.· Thank you.· Going to still have this
13· · · ·deposition, have the defendant suspended until we
14· · · ·get a -- that's assuming we eventually get -- an
15· · · ·order from the Court on the motions for summary
16· · · ·judgment, so we'll suspend for now.
17· · · · · · · · ·(Whereupon, the deposition was suspended
18· · · ·at 4:25 p.m.)
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·3· ·deposition held on May 21, 2024, in the matter TOWN OF
· · ·HAVERHILL V. DTC, and the same is true and correct, to
·4· ·the best of my knowledge, with the exception of the
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21· ·this the _____ day of ___________, 2024.
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·1· · · · · · · ·C E R T I F I C A T E
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·3· · · · · I, Dawn L. Griffin-Smith, a Licensed Court
·4· ·Reporter and Notary Public of the State of New
·5· ·Hampshire, do hereby certify that the foregoing is
·6· ·a true and accurate transcript of my stenographic
·7· ·notes of the deposition of· KEVIN KNAPP, who was
·8· ·duly sworn, taken at the place and on the date
·9· ·hereinbefore set forth.
10· · · · · I further certify that I am neither
11· ·attorney or counsel for, nor related to or
12· ·employed by any of the parties to the action in
13· ·which this deposition was taken, and further that
14· ·I am not a relative or employee of any attorney or
15· ·counsel employed in this case, nor am I
16· ·financially interested in this action.
17
18
· · · · · ·_________________________________
19· · · · · · · Dawn L. Griffin-Smith
· · · · · · · · Licensed Court Reporter
20· · · ·Certificate #108 (RSA 310-A:161-181)
· · · · My Commission expires:· 1/22/25
21
22
23
KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
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KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
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800.211.DEPO (3376)

KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
Exhibits
11280437 Ke
vin.Knapp.
EXHIBIT1
3:13
25:22
11280437 Ke
vin.Knapp.
EXHIBIT2
3:14
53:6,10
68:7
11280437 Ke
vin.Knapp.
EXHIBIT3
3:15 59:1
11280437 Ke
vin.Knapp.
EXHIBIT4
3:16 59:1
11280437 Ke
vin.Knapp.
EXHIBIT5
3:18 68:8
120:5
11280437 Ke
vin.Knapp.
EXHIBIT6
3:19
70:17
122:11
11280437 Ke
vin.Knapp.
EXHIBIT7
3:21
72:17
11280437 Ke
vin.Knapp.
EXHIBIT8
3:23
74:19
123:14
11280437 Ke
vin.Knapp.
EXHIBIT9
4:3 77:3
11280437 Ke
vin.Knapp.
EXHIBIT10
4:4
82:13,20
124:11,12
11280437 Ke
vin.Knapp.
EXHIBIT11
4:5 74:22
90:16,19
11280437 Ke
vin.Knapp.
EXHIBIT12
4:6 92:9,
12
11280437 Ke
vin.Knapp.
EXHIBIT13
4:7
93:12,15
125:5
11280437 Ke
vin.Knapp.
EXHIBIT14
4:9
95:11,13
11280437 Ke
vin.Knapp.
EXHIBIT15
4:10
96:15,19
126:20
11280437 Ke
vin.Knapp.
EXHIBIT16
4:11
97:21
98:1
127:20
11280437 Ke
vin.Knapp.
EXHIBIT17
4:12
100:8,11,
17
11280437 Ke
vin.Knapp.
EXHIBIT18
4:13
102:15,18
11280437 Ke
vin.Knapp.
EXHIBIT19
4:14
103:23
104:2
11280437 Ke
vin.Knapp.
EXHIBIT20
4:16
115:11,15
11280437 Ke
vin.Knapp.
EXHIBIT21
4:17
118:11
$
$15,000
57:6
$200
61:11
1
1
25:22
70:16
73:2
104:5
1/10/23
95:11
1/11/23
96:15
1/12/23
97:21
1/14/23
25:22
1/23/23
100:8
1/3/23
93:12
1/31/23
102:15
1/5/23
92:9
1/6/23
53:6
1/9
45:12
10
64:20
82:13,20
124:11,12
10-page
72:19
10/19/22
82:13
10:27
59:9
10:29
53:23
55:5
10th
13:7 14:1
16:21
17:5 32:2
47:12
60:7,10
65:13
95:15,19
99:17
11
47:20
74:22
90:16,19
127:1
11/20/23
103:23
11/23/22
90:16
11:07
55:5
11:18
61:19
11th
48:9,17
61:19
62:7
96:20
126:21
12
92:9,11,
12 98:2
12/22/22
74:19
12:35
26:14
12:43
26:10
12th
47:22
48:10
49:11,19
50:9,16
98:12
99:12,16
127:22
129:19
KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
Index: $15,000..12th
800.211.DEPO (3376)

KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
13
93:12,15
125:5
13th
51:7,11,
18 100:19
14
26:10
63:21,23
95:11,13
15
96:15,19
126:20
15th
51:11
129:17
16
97:21
98:1
127:19,20
17
63:10
100:8,11,
17 129:2
17th
31:11,20,
23 32:5,
10 63:17
64:11
65:16
99:18
18
102:15,18
130:13
19
83:3
103:23
104:2
2
2
31:2
53:6,10
64:14,15,
19 65:11,
21 68:7
69:8
20
115:11,15
119:5
2013[sic
113:19
2020
73:8
122:12
124:3,4
2022
8:20
15:23
16:3
25:9,11
38:10,17
39:13
53:23
54:12
73:5 75:4
77:14
83:2,3,17
84:3,13,
14 85:4
86:22
90:21
103:1
105:3
115:20
116:5,15
123:23
124:2
2023
13:7
16:6,7
26:10
31:11
32:10
59:9
61:19
63:10
64:20
92:13,18,
20 93:16
94:18
95:15
96:21
98:2
99:12,16
100:13
102:20,22
103:5,11
104:4,20
105:4
112:23
113:2,23
116:17,
19,22
123:22
125:5
127:1,22
129:4
130:14
2024
118:22
119:6
20[sic
118:17
20th
104:4,20
112:23
113:2,19
118:21
21
118:11
22
75:4
85:15,16
124:1
22nd
123:22
124:2
23
15:14
76:1
129:21
23rd
90:21
100:13
129:4
25th
73:4
26th
77:14
27
30:13
36:7
37:19
38:6,10
54:21
77:23
78:3
86:13,16
109:10
27th
44:9
28
30:14
36:7
37:19
38:7,10
54:21
77:23
78:3
86:13,17
109:11
29
83:2 85:4
29th
86:22
115:20
116:4,15
2:03
127:1
3
3
59:1
72:21
73:2,7
85:2,6
86:19
118:18
121:13
124:15,
16,17,20
3/6/20
70:17
31
130:14
31st
102:20,22
130:23
33
26:3
37
9:13
3:38
60:8
3rd
31:13,15
44:18
59:20
60:3
93:7,16
94:18
99:17
103:3
116:17,
19,21,22
125:5
4
4
KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
Index: 13..4
800.211.DEPO (3376)

KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
32:14
59:1,9
66:11
69:13
73:2
84:23
124:13
4/5/22
72:17
4:25
131:18
4th
31:13,15
45:1,3
59:15
92:18,20
99:17
103:4,5
5
5
65:8 68:8
69:22
70:1
83:5,8
120:5
121:12
122:9
5/15/24
118:11
5th
53:23
54:12
55:4 56:4
92:13
6
6
35:9
70:17
104:5,19
122:8,9,
11
6:33
60:10
7
7
72:17
77:8,16
104:5
8
8
74:19,22
104:5
123:14
8th
103:10
9
9
53:1 77:3
104:5
9/26/22
77:3
91-A
104:23
91A
55:18
56:6
9th
45:6
46:5,19
47:6
A
a.m.
53:23
55:5 59:9
61:19
abbreviated
44:22
abilities
9:15
ability
106:17
Absolutely
29:7
access
50:19
108:3
109:15
111:3,11
accommodati
ng
80:16
accomplish
21:12,13
accordance
109:22
account
27:20,22
29:2
50:18,20
117:17,22
118:3,21
accuracy
30:21
accurate
30:22
60:1
61:16
65:15
66:3
104:9,11,
16
accurately
59:23
acknowledge
102:9
acknowledgi
ng
86:15
acquired
104:22
act
123:8
130:6
acting
22:21
action
11:12
70:7,11
89:11
92:7
116:18
121:13,19
action/
decision
69:19
actions
69:13
70:3,4
121:15
actual
36:21
39:21
63:20
94:8
117:13
addition
12:14
17:23
additional
42:14
112:9
113:14
address
105:8
109:21
115:1
121:8
128:22
addressing
109:21
admin
45:7
administrat
ion
16:23
17:2 29:6
30:9,15
32:1
36:20
38:2 41:7
42:6,23
44:14
45:7
52:14,18
54:10
62:1,2
83:19,23
98:18,22
105:11
129:3
administrat
or
79:23
80:1,5
admissibili
ty
112:4
adverse
81:21,23
82:9
advice
21:21
75:16
83:22
88:5 93:3
advise
21:15
74:9
KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
Index: 4/5/22..advise
800.211.DEPO (3376)

KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
91:22
117:21
118:2
advised
44:10
45:8
50:17
90:9
117:19
affect
50:5
affidavit
107:18
109:20
afternoon
45:11
46:5
agree
31:12
44:15
47:17
50:5
agree[sic
108:16
agreed
17:17
24:12
29:5
45:17
49:7 50:5
agreement
17:16
39:21,22
40:8,12
95:8
102:19
103:10,19
116:14
126:11
ahead
13:17
15:17
23:1,5
alleged
31:8
32:21
107:5
109:11
allowed
113:13,16
alternative
s
90:1
amount
65:2
and/or
13:21
39:16
61:1
answering
61:14
answers
5:9
anticipate
105:15
apparently
45:12
51:3
appeal
75:15,17
appears
26:12
130:5
applicable
72:2
apply
32:10
109:14
approval
92:21
approve
20:19
23:1
104:17
approved
95:2,4,5
104:14
April
73:4
118:21
119:5
arbitrating
97:18
arbitration
97:13,14
area
81:2
arguably
109:6
argue
35:16
argument
26:20,22
35:16
article
30:13,14
36:7
38:6,7,10
54:21
85:9,14
86:10
articles
37:19
38:6 54:9
77:23
78:3
83:13
86:3,13,
16 109:10
124:23
130:20
asks
31:2
32:15
assessment
11:23
21:10
46:2
56:17
57:7,12,
13,17,23
121:6
assist
83:20
99:2,19,
23
assistant
13:20
36:15,18
55:7 62:3
assume
7:14 97:7
assuming
82:3
131:14
assumption
82:11
attached
55:11
83:10,12
attempt
97:8
attendance
64:5,11
attended
64:16
attention
92:1
123:20
attorney
6:12
14:18
20:11
25:15
36:12
53:3
58:19
59:5
61:21
67:10
80:17
97:9
112:20
115:1
119:5,18
120:4
126:7,15
128:15
129:23
attorneys
6:13 7:15
13:16
14:19
25:12
35:13
36:11
44:21
49:17,21
50:1,6
51:8 91:4
100:18
115:9
119:9
attorneys'
113:4
authored
83:12
authority
10:7,14,
15,17,20,
21 11:1
71:1
72:13
73:9,11,
23 74:5,
12 128:21
authorize
17:9
authorized
17:17
KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
Index: advised..authorized
800.211.DEPO (3376)

KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
113:13
authorizing
114:12
avoid
77:6
aware
88:11
101:18
102:10
103:9
126:13
B
back
5:17 7:1
8:13 11:5
28:23
34:23
35:6,7
36:14
48:17
56:11,13
65:10,12
67:5,9
83:17
84:13,14
85:15
88:4
89:9,12
92:1
101:3
102:23
112:19
113:23
118:8
119:23
124:3
125:4
126:1
130:4,23
bad
7:18,23
81:2,6
based
10:16
14:8 33:5
34:7
76:4,12
119:17
baseline
68:21,22
69:2
basic
23:4
basically
24:5
129:20
basis
14:10
111:18,19
beginning
35:2
67:12
83:2
114:6
begins
64:19
128:3
behalf
11:12
21:11
31:22
106:11
believed
93:6
108:2
big
99:7
bill
41:12
billing
115:19,22
116:4
bit
7:2 26:19
50:23
106:14
123:17
Bjelobrk
81:7,11
82:8,16
104:21
105:7
106:6
Blanchard
43:17
block
127:5
blunt
21:6
board
9:16,19
10:1,5,6,
13,20
11:1,5,8,
13,15,17,
20,21
13:2,8,23
14:15,23
15:10,12,
22 16:4,
13,17
17:5,9,
10,12,16,
21 18:3,
10,12,14,
21 19:2,
16 20:12,
18 21:5,
6,8,11,
12,16,18,
21 22:14,
23 23:9,
18 24:5,
6,12,17
25:3,9,
10,13
26:19,21
27:3,4,
20,23
29:4
31:3,7
32:10
33:6,14,
18 34:8,
10,14
35:14,20,
21 36:4,
5,10,15,
19 37:7,
8,9,20
38:1,8,
11,13,14,
18,20
39:1,3
40:11
41:6,11,
14,15
42:1,7,13
43:4,8,
10,15
44:11,12
45:1,7,
12,23
46:11,16,
20 47:3,7
48:8,20
49:3,6
50:10,11
51:12,17
52:1,16,
19 57:13,
15 58:1,
14 60:3,
18,21,22
61:23
62:1 63:9
64:4
66:15
67:19,22
68:3,16,
23 69:4
70:4,8,12
73:5,8,
11,19
77:13
78:10
80:3 81:7
82:17
83:18
84:10,20,
21 85:8,
13,18,20
86:2,6,9,
11,15
87:22,23
88:3,4,22
89:22,23
90:4
92:21
94:6
95:20
96:9
98:2,10,
17,21
104:3
105:11
107:10
113:6,19
116:1,19
117:15
120:22,23
121:9,15,
18,19
122:14,19
123:6,7
124:2,4
126:8,12,
14 127:22
128:11,20
131:6
board's
12:9
87:1,7,16
boards
67:20,23
body
26:17
bold
64:8
KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
Index: authorizing..bold
800.211.DEPO (3376)

KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
66:10
128:4
BOS
117:16
bottom
28:9
53:21
54:1
55:16
60:8
61:10,20
64:14,17
65:11,21
69:10
83:8 85:2
128:5
Boucher
55:7 97:1
Boucher's
64:10
brain
123:19
break
8:1,4,5,
6,9,11
brightest
53:13
Brigitte
70:15
91:5,14,
18 110:22
118:18
bring
14:20
109:18
bringing
57:7
brought
21:19
89:9
110:22
building
96:7
bullshit
55:21
56:23
bullying
102:6,7
business
105:8
butt
102:4,5
butted
65:20
C
C-I-N-D-E
128:9
call
13:13
40:3
55:9,10
70:3
117:4
called
45:10
97:1
120:7
130:5
calls
15:21
canceled
95:17,22
carpet
130:6
case
39:22
50:6
cast
34:1
caught
67:11
caused
15:10
19:5
causing
129:11
Cc'd
55:7
cease
113:18
center
59:8
chain
19:23
60:7
chair
17:15
22:20,21
28:13
43:17
115:16
chance
5:14,17
25:19
53:8,11
59:5,12
70:19
98:5
change
47:14
changed
74:2 85:9
characteriz
ation
115:4
charge
61:11
charged
116:9,10
chase
63:22
chew
123:18,19
Chris
49:20
61:9,21
62:6
80:7,11
83:10
84:4
91:17
100:12
Christopher
82:22
84:15
85:3
86:21
90:20
92:12,14,
17 95:14
96:20
100:18
chronology
44:6,7
Ciandella
13:9 31:5
47:15
Cinde
98:10,13,
17,21
99:2,5,8,
20 128:9
129:10
clarificati
on
42:8,14
clarify
35:1
clarity
14:11
clean
8:11
cleaned
32:6
clear
14:12,13,
21 48:19
49:2,3,5,
9,18
53:14
82:6
106:13
107:8
clearest
53:13,19
client
106:21
108:3
109:13,
15,22
111:10,15
112:14
113:5
114:2,9
clients
20:10
108:18
clients'
108:10
109:5
110:1
111:6,11
112:6
113:10
climate
12:10
clock
63:22
Clogston
81:8,11
82:8,16
close
53:18
KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
Index: BOS..close
800.211.DEPO (3376)

KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
65:17
Codling
9:6 10:5,
16 13:22
18:23
27:12
29:10
37:21
38:4 39:4
45:21
54:4,11
55:15
64:9
70:23
91:5,18
118:18
Codling's
12:5 46:2
53:2
70:15
91:23
collectivel
y
37:8 47:3
comfort
34:9
comfortable
18:19
34:12
50:7
comfortably
34:6
command
19:23
commitment
50:7
communicate
17:10,15,
19 36:23
39:4
98:18
communicati
on
15:21
44:13
communicati
ons
15:22
16:4
36:17
completely
106:8
110:9
concern
21:5
81:14
93:3
concerned
46:19
49:12
76:2
84:21
concluded
77:10
103:14
conduce
105:1
conduct
105:2
108:9
109:23
112:4
113:14
conducted
123:6
conducting
106:15
114:10
conflict
15:13
22:13
23:2,6
28:12,15
32:11,16,
22,23
33:4,13
35:11
41:18
42:2,9,15
43:19
45:8
50:4,11
52:3,17
60:20
76:2
84:5,8,10
88:7,14,
17 90:1,
6,9 97:2,
5,9,12
127:7,8,
13
conflicts
33:18
confused
6:19
connection
12:5
16:20
22:12
38:6
50:12
55:15
57:16
58:2
105:17
113:15
114:3
123:8
126:9
connections
54:14
consensus
19:3
consistent
33:7
49:14
66:14
101:12
123:4
130:21
conspiracy
105:10
contact
14:2
17:12
46:13
50:3
79:13,16
83:17
98:13,19,
22 128:10
contacted
79:15
context
107:15
continue
15:1 31:5
114:1
continued
50:16
continues
114:5
continuing
57:8
continuity
119:20
contract
87:1,16
91:23
117:2,10
contribulat
ion
125:22
contribute
125:20
control
45:22
conversatio
n
34:7
87:12
88:6
conversatio
ns
7:7 13:1
33:17,20
34:8
copies
104:22
copy
26:6
58:22
corner
64:15
65:11
correct
15:5 22:6
25:1,6
32:8
37:1,11
45:15
46:3 48:6
49:22,23
51:5
53:11
56:22
60:14
64:6,7,
12,13
66:12,16
69:20
70:5,12,
13 71:12
72:3,6,8
73:21,22
74:1,7,8,
14 75:5,
6,8
76:18,21
77:19
82:10,17,
KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
Index: Codling..correct
800.211.DEPO (3376)

KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
18 83:1
86:13,14,
17 88:10,
14,18
90:10,22
94:6,13,
22 102:1
103:14,21
107:17
116:20,21
117:7,8,9
122:5,7,
14 123:9
124:18
125:2,3,
8,10,14
126:5
128:15,16
129:12,
13,18,20
130:2,11,
23
corrected
58:3
130:7
corresponde
nce
106:6
Councilor
46:6,13
47:21,23
49:11
58:16
129:9,21
counsel
75:17
77:5
113:17
114:1,15
126:18
counseling
18:14
count
63:13
counterclai
m
32:18
couple
48:2
126:6
court
5:3 26:8
43:1
108:8
109:3
110:3,4,8
112:12
113:13
114:22
131:15
court's
106:20
109:22
113:7,13
114:11
cover
29:13
63:6
121:8,9
covering
117:14
craft
20:12
crafted
108:19
created
29:2
crisis
48:21
crucifixion
104:12
curious
54:17
current
11:21
56:20,22
113:6
cut
63:22
65:2
D
daily
45:18
Darwin
81:7
date
31:2,6
38:17
39:7
45:6,17
51:6 52:1
53:23
59:8
62:11
95:7
126:11
127:16
dated
61:19
75:4
77:14
85:4
86:21
90:21
92:13,17
95:14
96:20
98:2,12
100:13
102:20,22
103:5
116:15
123:22
129:3
130:14
dates
10:11
123:20
dating
39:11
day
14:13
26:14
48:1,4,5,
18 52:7
55:6
59:20
60:10
103:7,12
deal
9:23
December
44:9 75:4
123:22
124:2
decided
19:17
42:20
43:15
48:8
60:23
95:19
decision
14:16
54:20
70:8,11
84:22
85:19
87:23
decisions
24:1
69:14
93:20
94:13,22
default
24:22
defendant
66:23
113:9,15
114:5
131:13
defendant's
114:7
delegated
11:1
delegating
10:7
deliberatel
y
36:13
denial
77:23
83:13
department
82:10
101:19
102:10
129:3
deponent
107:9
114:19
115:9
deposed
5:4
deposing
109:14
deposition
6:8 38:5
53:2,10
59:7
66:21
70:15
92:11
96:18
97:23
100:11
102:18
104:2
106:16
109:18
111:4
113:4,5
KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
Index: corrected..deposition
800.211.DEPO (3376)

KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
114:1,7,
8,10,23
115:6,14
118:17,18
120:6
126:20
131:13,17
depositions
10:4 35:3
108:17
Derek
67:10
describe
35:11
description
93:19
94:12,21
desperate
20:14
21:1
details
41:3
determinati
on
37:22
determine
117:2
dictate
120:22
die
73:13
died
12:19
74:2
diesel
67:13
difficult
123:18
direct
57:22
directing
28:11
direction
19:7 47:4
directly
26:23
37:7
79:11
110:6,14
disagree
38:8 46:1
108:14,21
110:11
115:4
disallowing
78:2
discoverabl
e
112:3
discovery
108:9
109:23
111:4,6
112:2,4,6
113:8,14,
15 114:12
discuss
18:21
33:14
84:10
87:1,11,
16 97:14
discussed
24:16,18
27:17
29:9
33:12
44:19
48:8 49:7
50:10
93:20
94:13,22
97:2,17
127:6,9
discussing
18:1 87:7
115:23
discussion
28:15
34:22
44:21
45:2
69:15,20
89:8
101:2
112:21
113:12
128:4
discussions
13:1,4
39:2 84:7
disdain
81:10
82:7
dislike
81:10
82:7
disliked
81:17
disposed
114:13
dispute
97:14,18
District
33:2 50:4
75:14,16
76:14
77:19,22
87:3,9,18
document
25:16
26:2
53:1,9,
14,20
59:6
63:21
65:11
68:10,18
70:14,19,
22 72:20,
23 74:21
75:23
77:7
82:15,19
88:10
90:19
91:2
92:11
93:15
95:13
96:18
97:23
98:7
100:10,
11,16
102:17,22
104:7
105:23
106:20
107:7
115:10,14
120:13,16
121:3,12
122:19
124:14
125:7,18,
21 126:4
127:19
128:3
129:1
documents
29:18
30:13
46:7
54:15
56:1 83:6
88:9
108:3
111:2,11
114:22
dollar
57:1
Donahue
13:9 31:4
47:14
double-
edged
88:19
DRA
9:7,14,17
13:16
14:19
15:3
16:10,15,
20 17:6,
11,19,23
19:18,22
20:3
21:2,11,
16 29:19
30:3 32:3
36:5
37:21
38:5,21
39:5 45:4
46:20
49:8
50:13
51:19
52:9
54:7,19
55:9,18
56:6
57:16
58:2,3,8
61:1,5
62:13
66:3
74:13
75:3,5,7,
20 76:1,
5,20
77:17
78:1,8
79:2
KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
Index: depositions..DRA
800.211.DEPO (3376)

KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
83:11,13
85:7
98:14,22
100:2,3,
13,17
101:5,10,
11,23
102:9,13
103:13,20
107:12
123:15,21
126:10
128:22
129:10,23
130:5,20
DRA's
20:3
76:13
77:1
draft
77:17
78:9,12
108:10
110:1
111:6
112:6
113:9
125:7
drafted
78:14
dragging
66:2
Drummond
13:15
14:17
15:7,8,
12,15
20:16
44:21
45:2,13
47:16
49:21
52:2,8,
11,15,17,
19 60:19
66:2
95:18,23
96:10
127:13
DTC
13:8,17
14:2
15:11,22
16:5,14,
18 17:6,
10,15,19
18:3
19:17,20
20:2,12,
17 21:11,
15,19,20
22:5,14,
17 23:19
26:13
30:17
31:6,7,
10,14,22
32:12,15,
16,22,23
33:1,12,
14,17
34:8,11,
15 35:10,
11,13,15,
22 36:4,
6,9,12,16
40:16,20
41:2,8
42:1,2,9,
16,20
43:1,16
47:14,22
48:3
50:6,10,
12 51:12
56:17,22
57:2,14
58:1,8,18
59:21
60:23
77:5
80:8,11
82:23
84:1,2,3,
11 87:6,
13,14,21
88:6
89:23
90:9
91:4,13,
21,22
92:20
93:7
94:2,11,
18 95:7
97:14,17
99:11,16,
19,23
100:13,18
101:5
102:9,19,
23 103:6
105:21
106:6,7
107:10
109:12
114:3,17
115:6,15
116:1,12
117:2,10,
20 119:5,
9 126:9,
12
130:14,22
131:6
DTC's
16:11
30:3 31:8
32:17
60:21
84:5
86:15
88:14
92:23
97:5,12
100:4
101:6,9,
23 102:12
107:5
116:14
due
14:23
50:17
66:2
75:13
105:9
duly
5:3 31:8
90:4
E
eager
80:17
earlier
26:14
early
16:3
easy
91:8,9,10
edge
128:5
effective
28:7
eggs
81:2,6
elected
12:11
election
41:10
else's
19:11
email
25:22
26:7,17,
23 27:6,
17,21,22
28:3,8,9
29:2
35:13
36:11,12
37:21
38:5,7,20
39:4
44:12
50:18,22
53:6,15
54:3,6,
12,18
55:5,9,20
57:22
58:20
59:4,8,
15,18,20,
23 61:10,
20 62:6,7
82:13
85:3
86:8,21
90:16,20
91:11
92:9,12,
16,17
95:11,14
96:15,19
105:8
117:17,21
118:11,19
119:1,4
126:21,23
emails
15:21
16:4
26:9,15
27:3,7,8
28:4
29:16
30:3
38:12
48:17
53:21
56:5
KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
Index: Dra's..emails
800.211.DEPO (3376)

KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
60:7,11,
13,17
82:22
92:14
104:22
105:1
119:8
emergency
13:7
45:10,14
47:13,20
64:20
employee
27:10
employees
27:23
64:9,10
employment
22:12
57:17
107:11
encounters
121:9
end
12:5
25:17
49:5
105:23
110:4
128:6
ended
51:4
ensure
24:5 33:2
70:3
121:14
entire
11:20
27:10
72:19
entitled
65:7
69:10
74:21
92:11
95:13
96:18
97:23
100:11,16
102:17
entry
44:9,16,
18 46:5
47:12,19
49:3,10
50:15
51:6
115:19,22
116:4
Eric
26:13,18
28:11
49:20
61:22
82:23
84:4 85:3
92:13,15
97:1,2
100:12,18
127:6
errors
5:15,16
essence
50:8
essentially
45:23
evaluation
93:23
event
44:5
83:16
events
44:6
eventually
131:14
evidence
38:20
evident
113:3
exact
31:2,6
52:7
62:10
80:12
87:12
EXAMINATION
5:6 67:7
119:15
examining
106:15
excuse
83:5
100:15
Executive
46:13
129:9,21
exhibit
25:22
26:3,7
44:7
53:1,6,10
61:19
68:6,7,8
70:16,17
72:17
74:19,22
77:3
82:13,20
84:23
90:16,19
92:9,12
93:12,15
95:11,13
96:15,19
97:21
98:1
100:8,11,
17
102:15,18
103:23
104:2
115:11,15
118:11,
16,17,18
120:5
122:11
123:14
124:10,
11,12
125:5
126:19,20
127:20
exhibits
59:1
110:15,
17,21
exist
35:17
expect
105:15
experience
14:9
explain
20:9
23:18
65:19
81:17
85:22
88:2
explained
43:9,14
129:22
explaining
37:12
explanation
27:6
37:15
42:8,23
expressed
43:18
81:10
extend
29:13
extended
112:20
113:12
extent
32:9
39:15
eyes
77:1
F
fact
7:21
failed
19:5
fair
24:9 50:9
62:15
fairly
7:16
104:10
106:13
fallout
50:23
familiar
68:2,18
91:2
104:7
117:12
120:20
familiarity
10:10
fast-moving
48:21
favor
85:8,13
86:9,12,
16 117:6
KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
Index: emergency..favor
800.211.DEPO (3376)

KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
February
103:10
fee
97:14,18
feel
18:19
feelings
48:22
feet
66:2
fell
9:12
41:11
felt
12:9 21:1
41:17
50:6 54:7
55:3
field
81:14
figurativel
y
125:19
figure
47:8
file
42:20
43:10
109:5,19
117:1,4
filed
26:8 43:1
107:23
108:7
109:3
111:7
112:8
114:22
filing
117:6
filled
125:17
final
51:6
61:18
93:20
94:13,22
find
91:14
117:5,8,9
118:8
fine
9:22
finger-
pointing
12:11
fire
19:7 33:2
50:4
75:14,16
76:14
77:18,21
82:10
87:3,8,17
91:5,10,
14
fired
19:6
firing
126:2
firm
31:4 66:1
80:9 93:5
126:2
firmly
20:6,8,
22,23
firms
47:14
fishing
88:1
fit
106:19
107:1
fives
128:8
flip
64:14
focused
93:4
113:8
follow
69:4
128:6
follow-up
119:17
120:3
form
25:7 30:6
34:16
37:2
51:20
54:22
58:10
61:2
62:18
63:2 66:5
82:2
117:19,21
118:2
122:23
123:10
129:14
130:9
131:1
formal
7:2 55:10
formally
90:5
forward
18:15
22:19
31:6
38:17
50:7,12
83:23
87:2,8,17
88:4
114:21
119:4
forwarded
118:20
119:1,8,9
fought
108:12
found
13:17
45:12
112:5
fourth
72:21
frame
15:9,16
52:6
87:10
fray
129:18
Fred
24:18
26:18
27:2
43:20
50:21
51:1,4
Fred's
125:11
fresh
76:10
front
9:17
120:8
129:5
130:15
full
6:17
10:13,15,
17 13:9
45:21,22
71:1
72:13
73:9
74:5,11
92:21
111:11
funding
77:19,22
82:1,9
funds
15:1
future
51:16
110:19
G
Garofalo
22:13,23
27:16
Garoppolo's
24:19
28:2
gather
54:14
gave
30:17
36:4 56:4
73:8
122:19
general
19:3 93:3
general's
129:23
generally
6:14
27:23
29:5
67:16
120:12,20
KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
Index: February..generally
800.211.DEPO (3376)

KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
give
5:9 7:9
8:10
25:20
35:21
58:22
105:20
125:23
giving
10:7
78:21
Gmail
27:20,21
29:2
50:20
117:17
118:3
goal
74:18
91:15
goals
87:1,7,16
good
18:18
40:23
51:17
57:19
68:5 69:2
80:15
Gotcha
58:15
governance
69:2
governor's
46:6
58:16
130:1
Graham
80:9,10,
13
Grahams's
91:19
grasp
12:12
24:4
great
49:11
112:1
greeting
127:5
ground
6:14
group
14:18
50:18
guess
9:19 14:4
16:9
29:17
40:23
41:14
42:6 72:9
80:19
87:12
88:1
116:8
117:12
124:14
guidance
120:17
guide
45:18
guy
106:17
guy's
107:16
guys
25:16
45:14
52:15
53:4
91:20
H
half
28:9
60:8,9
61:20
64:18
105:3
halfway
128:2
Hampshire
18:16
120:21
hand
125:16
handed
82:19
88:10
95:13
102:17
115:14
handing
68:6
70:14
74:21
82:19
92:11
handle
10:8
hands
16:11
handwriting
125:10,12
handwritten
125:17
happen
36:1
121:23
happened
12:17
15:6
18:11
22:18
31:11
41:10
65:18
80:12
121:21
happening
14:17
65:16
hard
14:23
15:2 42:5
harshly
5:16
Haverhill
8:16,19
27:20
31:3
33:1,3
35:23
37:19
39:9,23
41:19
54:13
63:9
68:4,6,8,
16 71:4
72:2,11,
17 74:22
75:4
77:3,13
79:15,17,
18 80:3
81:4
82:1,9
90:23
93:12
97:21
98:1,14
103:23
104:3,21
115:16
118:20
128:11
Haverhillbo
s
50:20
Hawkins
16:6
41:19
49:20
61:9,21
62:6
80:8,11,
14,17
81:9,17
82:6,23
83:10,17,
20 84:1,
4,7,11,
16,18
85:4
86:21
90:20
91:17
92:13,15,
17 95:14
96:20,23
100:12,18
head
47:4
heard
38:17
39:1
heck
109:17
held
13:8
34:22
101:2
helped
80:5
helping
16:5
high
85:21
KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
Index: give..high
800.211.DEPO (3376)

KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
high-stress
48:20
higher
86:1
highlighted
55:8,12
highlightin
g
53:22
Highway
82:9
hire
13:18
14:3,7
16:22
17:6
19:17
25:11
34:11
60:23
65:23
90:12
92:21
94:2
126:15
hired
16:21
18:3
19:20
21:18
32:2
84:12
90:12,13
91:13
94:11,18
99:11,16
107:10
116:17
126:8
hiring
16:14,18
34:15
59:21
126:2,12
Hold
91:8
hoping
83:22
hot
87:10
hour
61:11
hourly
60:18,22
61:15
92:22
hours
48:2
house
23:21,22
24:13,19
25:5
huge
41:18
hurt
48:22
102:4,5
I
idea
73:17
126:17
identificat
ion
25:23
53:7 59:2
68:9
70:18
72:18
74:20
77:4
82:14
90:17
92:10
93:14
95:12
96:16
97:22
100:9
102:16
104:1
115:12
118:12
identified
131:7
illegal
19:13
immediately
28:7
49:14
implication
s
44:11
impression
41:21
improper
108:13
inch
64:18
include
27:11
included
33:10
44:7 50:4
74:13
includes
114:7
Inconsisten
t
94:7
inconvenien
ced
114:19
independent
ly
99:19
indicating
56:21
105:21
122:6
indication
38:19
individual
17:9,18
126:15
individuals
81:18
inflated
85:21,23
inform
84:4
89:23
91:4
information
7:3 24:6
27:5
41:23
42:4,14,
18,19
43:20
50:19
57:22
80:6
informed
52:2,14
61:21
98:21
114:16
initial
50:3
initially
5:10
initiate
43:15
inserted
129:10
inside
74:17
installment
s
40:9
instruct
23:1
35:15
36:6,16
instructed
14:1
23:19
29:17,18
41:7
instructing
111:12
instruction
35:22
36:8,21
105:14
instruction
s
36:3
insuperable
35:12
intention
16:22
intentions
19:8
interconnec
tion
75:13
interest
32:11,16,
22,23
33:4,13,
18 35:11
41:18
42:2,9
52:3
56:19
57:7,10
80:20
KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
Index: high-stress..interest
800.211.DEPO (3376)

KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
84:5,8
88:7,14,
17 90:2,
6,10
91:17
97:5,12
114:18
115:8
internal
26:19,21
interpretat
ion
115:5
introduced
70:15
78:9
invalid
36:8
invalidate
124:23
invest
27:9
investigati
on
27:9,11
130:19
invoice
57:6
invoices
23:19
24:13
25:4
40:16,20
41:8,9
57:2
114:2,17
115:11,15
116:12
involve
29:9
involved
26:23
39:2,15,
18 40:1
48:22
57:3 58:8
79:6
involvement
33:5
54:10
issue
9:8,17,23
13:16
14:19
17:11
18:7,8
19:18
21:16,20,
22 23:23
24:1 30:3
32:19,20
36:5,6
41:1,3,8
44:19
49:8
51:19
58:8
59:22
60:20
66:3
76:1,14
107:6,11,
12 126:10
127:7,8,
13 129:11
issued
130:5,7
issues
18:5
48:13
75:13
89:8
106:10
107:14,21
108:2
109:9,19
114:4
130:20
item
124:14,
16,17,20,
21
items
120:11
J
January
13:7,10
14:1
15:10,23
16:3,21
17:5
26:10
31:11,13,
15,20,23
32:2,5,9
44:18
45:1,3,6
46:4,19
47:6,12,
20,22
48:9,10,
17 49:10,
19 50:9,
16 51:7,
11 59:9,
15,20
60:3,7,10
61:19
62:7
63:10,15,
17 64:11,
20 65:13,
16 92:13,
17,20
93:7,16
94:18
95:15,19
96:20
98:2,12
99:12,16,
17,18
100:13,19
102:20,22
103:3,5
106:7
116:17,
19,21,22
125:5
126:21
127:1,22
129:4,17,
19,21
130:14,23
Jennifer
13:17,19,
21 55:7
65:20
97:1
Jim
107:3
110:6
115:3
Jim's
115:4
job
7:23
57:19
joined
38:23
judgment
26:4 44:8
54:7,20
67:1
105:17
106:3,8
107:6,21
108:1,6
109:1
111:1
113:11
114:13
131:16
judgments
106:12
jump
35:7
jumped
19:23
129:17
K
K-N-A-P-P
6:7
Kansas
112:13
Kevin
5:2 6:7
53:22
55:8 67:9
68:10
70:20
79:21,22
82:15
84:15
90:20
96:19
97:1,23
102:17
105:2
106:4
111:20
115:14
118:17
127:4
kind
14:21
16:10,11
35:10,19
37:12
39:16
53:19
54:19
55:3
89:20
94:9
127:12
KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
Index: internal..kind
800.211.DEPO (3376)

KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
king
19:11
Kline
5:21 6:12
25:7
28:21
30:6
34:16
35:1 37:2
51:20
54:22
58:10
61:2
62:18
63:2,12
66:5,22
67:3,5,8,
10 71:22
72:7
76:3,17
81:5,16
82:4
89:10
90:14
94:17
95:3
101:4,15
103:18
105:20
106:2,18,
22 107:3,
13,17,20
108:4,14,
21,23
109:8,16
110:6,11,
16,21
111:12,
16,19,23
112:16,
20,23
115:1,3,
13 118:1,
13
119:12,21
122:23
123:10
129:14
130:9
131:1
Knapp
5:2 6:7,8
26:6
52:23
53:22
56:13
58:21
65:23
77:16
84:15
90:20
96:20
105:2
109:20
111:12
113:5
115:7
118:17
119:17
120:2
knew
17:2 25:3
81:2
knowing
42:5
knowledge
39:6
40:21
51:23
66:8 84:2
88:22
130:3
L
labeled
93:15
96:18
129:2
lack
14:11
19:10
29:3,4,5,
8,12,14
36:19
83:18
105:10
Lakes
15:14
language
32:4
lapse
103:4
largely
99:8
latitude
106:14
110:12
law
31:4
47:14
66:1 93:5
laws
18:16
22:9
120:22
lawsuit
10:14
29:19
39:8
42:20
43:1,6,
11,15
56:16,18,
21,22
57:3,8
114:4
117:1,6,
13
lawyer
5:22
22:5,8
78:19,21
80:2,6
lawyers
13:8 18:3
19:17
21:19
26:13
47:15
102:8
lead
16:11
48:20
49:4,8
leaning
19:6
127:12
learned
52:16
led
83:16
left
42:12
81:14
left-hand
64:3
128:5
legal
10:8,18
11:2,11
12:6
21:15
23:20
37:23
57:14
71:1,8,11
72:13
73:9,20
74:6,12
83:22
88:5
89:17,18,
20 93:3
111:18,19
122:17,21
123:8
126:18
130:22
legally
35:17
36:8
126:18
lengthy
77:6
letter
20:3,5,6,
12,15,19
21:11
22:14,18
23:6
28:12,16
44:23
45:3,9,13
74:19
75:3,7,11
76:5,12
77:17
78:1,7,8,
9,12,14,
21,22
79:1,2,9,
10 80:3,5
83:11,13
100:2,4,
8,12,16,
17,19,20
101:5,6,
10,20
102:1,12,
15 103:7
123:15,21
124:3,5,9
129:2,6,
8,9,20
130:4,14
letting
60:19
life
KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
Index: king..life
800.211.DEPO (3376)

KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
79:12
limited
72:6,11
109:23
111:5
113:8
lines
6:19
51:15
128:5
list
44:20
64:16
listen
96:1
literally
125:16,18
litigation
35:22
71:4,17
72:3,11
littler
26:14
locate
97:8
long
8:4 35:10
103:13
looked
22:1
38:18
lot
12:11
16:10
54:16
92:5,6,7
110:12
lying
56:7
Lynch
119:5
Lynn
83:12
Lynnette
78:16,18
79:7,8
M
machine
124:8
Macomber
78:16,18
79:11,14
83:12
made
12:4,7,
18,22
14:16
17:13,14
23:23
30:17
40:8 43:4
69:19
77:17
93:20
94:13,22
111:20
130:1
Maher
26:13
28:12
49:20
61:22
82:23
84:4 85:3
92:13,15
100:12,18
majority
17:5
19:16
89:7
make
5:15 12:8
14:2 17:1
32:1,6
63:23
64:2 73:7
74:9 89:5
management
29:3
manager
9:6 10:17
11:12
12:5
13:20,22
18:9,12,
17,18,23
19:4
24:2,7,9
27:12
29:10,21
36:14,15,
17,18
37:21
38:4 39:4
41:2
45:21
46:2 53:2
54:4,11
55:7,15
62:3
70:23
72:12
73:9
74:1,5,11
93:4,23
126:1
manager's
86:23
87:15
managers
18:16
mandate
120:22
mandatory
97:13
120:17
manipulates
19:14
map
107:2
March
8:20
38:15,16
39:13
122:12
124:3,4
marching
20:10
mark
58:23
marked
25:22
53:1,6
59:1,6
68:6,9
70:18
72:18
74:19,22
77:4
82:13,19
90:16,19
92:9
93:13
95:11
96:15,16
97:22
100:8
102:15
104:1
115:11
118:11
120:6
125:4
126:20
127:19
material
112:3
matter
16:15,20
17:7,20,
23 22:1,
12 35:20
57:16,17
58:2,3
61:1
74:14
75:5,21
76:6,20
98:15,23
99:6,7
100:5
101:10
103:13,20
113:9
116:1
matters
10:8,9,18
11:2,11
12:6,10
18:2
19:11,19,
20 25:12
71:1,8,11
72:13
73:9,20
74:6,12
87:3
89:16,17,
18,20
93:20
94:12,21
117:14
122:17,21
123:8
128:22
Matthew
81:7
104:21
106:6
meaning
11:9 24:2
38:6
means
62:2 86:5
KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
Index: limited..means
800.211.DEPO (3376)

KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
meant
17:2 87:6
mechanic
67:13
mediation
40:4,5,7
meet
45:18
meeting
10:12
12:4
13:5,7,
10,12
14:1 17:3
31:8,11,
13,15,18,
20,23
32:6
38:10
43:8
44:4,6,20
45:10,14
46:11
47:13,20,
22 48:4
49:12,15
59:21
60:4
62:1,9,11
63:10,15,
17 64:11,
20 65:13,
16 68:21,
22 69:11
70:10,17
72:18
73:4,5
77:4,14
88:13,15,
16,17,20,
21 89:1
90:5
93:7,11,
13 94:5,
11 97:22
98:2,9
99:11
104:1,4,
9,14,17,
20 113:1
116:22
122:5,12
125:23
127:22
128:19
meetings
43:13
member
17:18
25:9
34:14
40:10
57:12,23
84:20,21
87:22
104:12
113:6
116:2
120:23
121:18
123:6
members
11:9,14,
17,21
12:20
13:2
14:15
15:22
16:4
17:5,10
22:23
23:9
24:12,17
25:3
41:11,13
43:10
46:11
60:22
61:23
70:4
82:16
117:15
120:18
121:15
memorandum
39:17
Memorial
96:7
memory
17:4 22:2
31:23
48:7
76:11
123:4
mentioned
101:7
met
48:1,2
49:11
79:12
84:3
Michael
91:19
mid
45:8
middle
48:1
50:15
51:10
61:8
65:22
midpoint
129:16
Mike
80:9,10
mind
54:20
mine
28:6
mine's
125:13
minute
105:20
minutes
10:11
38:19
45:11
63:10,17
70:4,7,
11,17
72:18
73:4
77:4,14
88:18,21
89:1
93:13,16
94:5,10
95:2,4
97:22
98:2,9
99:11
104:1,4,
9,14,17,
20 112:22
113:1,19
121:14,
20,22
122:1,2,
12 125:23
126:1
127:23
128:19
misinformed
14:22,23
missed
43:7,12
missing
121:22
mistake
16:7
misundersto
od
27:2
miswrote
124:1
moment
49:6
month
51:10
months
105:3
motion
12:3,4,7,
8,17,22
17:13
26:3
30:10
44:8 65:8
66:11
69:14,20
70:23
71:3
72:1,21
73:2,7,13
74:2,3,7,
9 77:8,
16,17
89:6 90:7
107:6
109:3,4,7
111:1
112:7
114:12
motions
67:2
105:17
108:1,6
113:10
114:21
131:15
Mountain
15:14
move
73:10
78:6
115:9
moving
50:7,12
83:23
KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
Index: meant..moving
800.211.DEPO (3376)

KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
municipal
61:11,16
murder
106:1
mystery
106:1
N
names
64:10
Naomi
92:1
narrow
108:9
narrowly
108:18
neat
125:14
needed
45:18
47:10
89:8
109:17,18
111:3
124:22
Negative
6:10 8:23
79:12
negotiating
39:16
network
118:3
news
51:18
nice
80:15
night
60:3
66:15
nods
89:19
nonlawyer
22:4 32:4
34:13
37:12
nonmeeting
22:2
47:21
48:9,10,
12 49:17,
19 50:1
93:9
nonpublic
31:19
59:21
88:20,21
89:1,7,12
93:10,11,
13,16
94:5,11,
19
normal
7:7 31:18
note
85:7
notice
31:17
noticed
31:8 90:5
notificatio
n
55:10
notified
33:3
44:11
51:7,12
52:2
129:22
November
90:21
104:4,20
112:23
113:2,18
number
85:6 86:4
124:15
129:1
numbered
53:10
64:15,18
numbers
63:20
124:21
O
oath
35:7
56:14
67:9
objection
25:7 30:6
34:16
37:2
48:19
51:20
54:22
58:10
61:2
62:18
63:2 66:5
71:13,18
72:4
75:22
76:7,15,
22 80:22
81:12,19
82:2 89:2
90:11
94:7,14,
23 101:12
102:2
103:15
105:13
108:11
109:5
110:1,14
111:6,22
112:7,10
113:10,16
114:8
117:23
118:4
122:23
123:10
129:14
130:9
131:1
objections
35:4
106:15
114:6,15,
18
objectives
87:2,8,17
obvious
124:7
occur
114:12
occurred
14:12
60:1,2
66:3
October
83:3
106:7
odd
111:14
offered
12:21
office
129:23
130:1
offices
23:21
official
121:20
128:19
officials
12:12
officio
67:21
one-page
52:23
53:9,20
98:7
operating
68:9,15,
20 69:5,6
120:7
121:3,7
operations
15:1
82:10
opinion
11:16,23
13:22
14:11
19:11
21:10
30:20
56:17
57:6 58:4
99:5
121:6
oppose
124:22
options
19:3 22:3
order
17:6
106:13,20
107:1
108:8,12,
18
109:14,22
110:3,4,
8,20
111:5,18
112:12
KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
Index: municipal..order
800.211.DEPO (3376)

KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
113:7,8,
13 114:11
126:14
131:15
orders
20:10
original
26:11
79:10
originally
116:12
outcome
67:1
outlined
44:12
46:6
50:2,3
P
p.m.
26:10
60:8,10
127:2
131:18
packet
63:8
pages
59:13
63:21,23
68:12
paid
40:21
paragraph
64:19,21,
23 65:12
66:11
75:10,20
101:16
128:3,6,
18 129:7
130:17
131:5,8
paragraphs
65:1,6
paraphrased
78:22
79:1
parenthesis
55:11
part
15:23
25:21
56:5
67:19
86:12
110:22,23
114:10
116:12
127:6
parties
40:3
past
35:3
paths
27:2
patient
107:1
Pause
44:3
52:22
65:3
68:13
72:22
75:1
77:11
100:22
pay
40:9
41:16
92:1
123:20
paying
40:16,19
41:12
payment
41:8
pending
67:1
75:18
people
12:12
13:12,14
19:14
27:18,19
28:3
36:23
37:10
50:22
54:17
64:16
perform
21:15
67:14
performance
93:23
period
39:7
person
19:10
40:12
personal
41:1,3
80:20
81:10
82:7
105:8
118:21
personally
41:1
personnel
18:5,7,8
19:19,20
21:19,22
23:23
24:1
32:20
48:12
57:16
59:21
60:23
62:13
89:8,15
93:2
107:11
126:10
130:20
pertain
76:20
pertinent
46:7
petition
86:3
petitioned
85:8,13
86:9,12,
16
Phil
43:17,22,
23
phone
15:20
physically
125:16
pick
35:6
picking
8:13
pieces
112:5
pissed
26:19
place
51:8
114:9
plain
32:4
plan
46:12
played
90:8
playing
110:9
PLLC
31:5
plural
18:8
point
7:12
17:11
19:12
22:19
47:6
52:20
95:7
98:13,19
112:11
113:3
114:5
127:15
128:3,10
pointed
14:6
108:17
110:14
pointing
105:22
points
79:3
political
130:2
poor
7:16
poorly
7:16
portion
114:23
portions
KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
Index: orders..portions
800.211.DEPO (3376)

KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
125:17
portray
18:19
position
8:15 15:2
19:5 20:3
85:6,9
87:11
124:22
possibly
35:12
post
29:18
posted
29:20
30:3,4
posting
30:12
potential
33:4,13
90:5
power
10:2,8,
19,21
11:14
12:5
25:11
29:16
46:1
83:18
122:20
123:7
powers
9:7,15
practices
68:2
prairies
112:13
precedence
19:22
precinct
71:2,10
73:10
74:17
79:23
80:1,4
preparation
113:16
prepare
108:10
113:9
present
35:16
43:8 64:9
80:2 95:8
114:4
presentatio
n
42:22
presented
61:15
104:22
106:11
107:22
preserve
114:20
preserved
114:6
preserving
35:4
presume
6:11 7:17
pretty
47:2
53:18
65:17
68:5
124:7
130:8
previous
11:20
86:11
117:15
previously
70:14
77:6
78:22
87:20
88:12
93:6 94:4
97:11
101:9
106:5
115:23
116:18
117:16
prices
85:21,22
printed
5:12
printout
26:6
prior
10:5,6
11:1
20:21
26:11
37:18
38:11,12
61:5 65:7
67:22
75:23
79:3 95:7
116:21
121:2
122:13
private
87:13,21
proactively
110:18
problem
34:14,15
129:11
procedures
68:9,15,
20 69:5,
7,11
120:7
121:4,8
proceeded
101:19
102:10
proceedings
48:19
85:7
produce
109:20
produced
22:17
56:6
proper
32:7
properly
34:11
proposal
130:18
proposed
92:23
113:17
protected
18:17
provide
6:18 7:1
27:6
provided
31:17
41:23
46:7
57:14
130:22
providing
21:20
pry
29:16
public
12:3
13:14
17:3
31:8,11,
16,18
32:5 44:4
89:5,13,
15
pull
110:4
purported
32:17,21
purportedly
116:16
purpose
109:23
111:5
pushed
21:2
put
5:20
14:23
15:2
16:10
22:4
34:13
46:12
55:11
59:3 63:5
80:1
109:2,4
111:10,21
112:9,10
puts
55:9
putting
25:18
Q
quash
114:22
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May 21, 2024
Index: portray..quash
800.211.DEPO (3376)

KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
question
6:18,23
7:1,5,13,
18,23
8:10 9:10
15:7 16:2
23:4,15
31:2
32:14,15
35:9,14,
19 40:23
41:22
57:9
61:14
71:23
106:9
116:3
121:12
122:16
123:19
124:13
questioning
111:20
115:6,10
questions
5:8,10
6:17,22
7:16 8:1
26:1
28:19
30:17,18
33:11
35:8
56:15
63:4
66:19,22
106:3,16
112:21
113:18
114:16
119:12,18
120:3,10,
13 131:11
quickly
21:3
47:16
57:19
58:2,5,7,
8,13
quit
22:16,17,
18
quorum
31:3,7
quorumed
84:22
quote/
unquote
10:17
36:13
46:16
R
raise
74:3 88:6
108:5
raised
61:14
75:14
108:1
110:13
ran
91:20
rapid
50:19
rarely
55:9
rate
9:8 15:4
20:4,7
21:1
32:19
44:10
51:9,13
60:18,22
61:16
74:14,18
75:5,8,20
76:5,11,
20 92:22
98:15,23
99:3,6,
20,22
100:1,5
101:10,23
103:13,20
130:8
rates
75:15,17
76:13
101:19
102:11
130:7
ratified
65:20
99:18
ratify
32:1
re-vote
73:7
reach
16:23
46:13
80:7,10
92:20
reached
46:5
reaching
80:13
84:17
87:13,21
reacting
47:16
read
25:19
30:16,19
44:5,6
49:3
53:16
64:23
65:5,15
66:11
68:11
71:3
74:23
118:8,15
reading
39:16
65:2,12
real
14:21
reask
7:23
reason
54:8
reasons
12:14
41:13,15
recall
12:3
13:6,11
14:14
15:20
20:2,4
28:18
30:11
31:21
32:13
33:8,9,
15,16
39:7,15
40:10,14
45:1,19
46:8
47:7,9,22
48:11,13,
23 51:12
52:1,4,8,
13 53:15
55:17,22
56:2
59:16
60:16
62:10,14
65:16
75:23
78:15
80:12,17,
19 81:20
84:6,9
87:12
88:8,13
90:3,4
92:1
97:16,17,
19 117:1
120:12
recalled
65:23
received
44:13,14
55:14
recently
8:21 43:5
recess
28:22
56:10,13
67:4
112:18
113:22
119:22
recognize
59:16
recollectio
n
17:4 48:7
66:15
123:5
recommendat
ions
44:20
recommended
44:23
recommendin
g
45:2
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May 21, 2024
Index: question..recommending
800.211.DEPO (3376)

KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
reconcile
56:3
reconsider
78:2,4
reconsidera
tion
77:18,21
reconstruct
ed
79:4
record
6:4 8:7
28:21,23
34:20,22,
23 35:6
56:9,11,
14 62:12
67:3,5,9
82:6
101:1,2,3
112:16,19
113:21
114:20
115:2
119:21,23
recording
96:1,3
122:3,4
rectify
17:1
reelection
8:21
refer
6:14 31:5
41:14
reference
71:4
referenced
27:21
referred
13:20
50:11
referring
18:1
26:22
97:6
reflect
60:1
70:4,7
121:15
regular
44:19
regularly
7:6,16
regulations
22:9
reins
20:17
reissue
28:12
relate
29:9
related
29:19
71:10
72:14
73:9,20
74:6
76:6,14
105:1
109:8
relates
32:19
75:21
relating
10:8,9,18
11:2,11
12:6
25:12
30:3,13
114:17
122:18
123:9
relationshi
p
17:22
relevant
105:15,18
106:2,3,
8,10,23
107:20,21
108:2,23
109:5
110:2
remain
36:13
73:23
remaining
22:23
remains
75:18
remember
7:1 10:11
13:5,12
20:20
33:16,21,
22 37:5,6
39:10
40:2,12
51:14,15
52:10,11
88:15
90:7
103:12
116:13
117:4
125:22
remembered
89:4
reopen
35:22
repeat
71:23
rephrase
16:2
reply
62:6
91:11
92:1
105:16
109:19
Reporter
5:3
represent
13:16
16:14,19
26:5
116:16
122:1,2
representat
ion
31:9
32:17
93:1 95:8
96:10
102:19
103:10,19
116:14
representin
g
13:10
request
54:11
55:16
62:8
requested
39:3
101:19
102:11
requesting
77:18
78:2
requests
104:23
required
33:1 69:4
requirement
126:13
rereading
72:9,10
rescinded
74:7
research
50:3
reserved
106:14
114:18
reserving
114:14
resident
54:13
79:15,16,
18 84:18
87:14,21
116:1
resigned
22:18,23
24:22
28:7
resigning
28:5 51:4
resolution
51:8
resolve
10:2 47:8
resolved
51:19
52:4
58:3,5,7,
9,13 99:5
103:21
respect
6:22 9:5,
7,22
11:2,11
13:8 15:6
17:19
18:23
KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
Index: reconcile..respect
800.211.DEPO (3376)

KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
21:16,22
33:12
35:14
36:3,4
56:16
60:3 87:2
120:5
122:11,
21,22
123:21
126:11,23
respond
36:14
107:4
111:13
115:5
responded
31:10
32:22
55:6
105:9
responding
61:9
87:14
100:19
111:19
response
5:10
13:19,21
55:14,20,
23 56:4,6
61:15
101:6
105:16
110:7
responses
30:16
responsibil
ities
9:12 68:3
responsibil
ity
12:9
22:21
73:18,20
responsible
30:12
responsive
7:4
rest
7:10 19:2
43:9 52:6
128:17
result
13:23
54:12
retain
19:17
25:11
31:4,7,
14,21
74:5
retained
74:11
93:7
107:10
126:9
retaining
16:18
126:12
retention
107:5
109:11
Revenue
129:3
review
5:15
20:18
68:10
70:19
72:19,20,
23 77:6
83:6
86:23
87:15
92:16
98:5
100:10
104:5
118:14,16
reviewing
92:6
revising
39:16
risks
90:1
road
67:15
Robbins
14:6
22:20
23:1,5,10
24:23
26:12
28:10,14
44:5
46:4,12
47:19
48:16
50:16
102:20
103:9
115:16
119:2,4
Robbins'
23:20,22
28:16
Robbins's
24:13
role
8:15 9:19
roles
9:12
roll
70:3
roll-call
121:14
room
7:15
48:1,21
96:7
rounds
130:2
RSA
9:13
104:23
rules
6:14
110:10
run
68:21,23
running
19:8
41:10
S
sake
119:20
SAU
15:14
76:1
scheduled
47:20
school
46:23
76:9
scope
108:9
113:7
114:11
secret
117:21
select
31:3,7
43:8 45:6
62:1 63:9
64:4
67:19,22
68:16,22
69:4
73:5,11
77:13
78:10
80:3
82:17
84:20,21
85:7,13,
18,20
86:9,10,
11,15
87:22,23
89:22,23
90:4 94:6
98:1,10,
17,21
104:3
113:19
116:19
120:23
121:9
127:22
128:11,20
selectman
8:17,19
selectmen
9:16
10:1,6,20
11:1,6,8,
13,15,22
15:10
16:14,18
17:9,17
18:3
19:16
20:18
21:5,6,
12,16,18,
21 22:15
23:9,18
24:12
25:3,10
27:20
29:4
KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
Index: respond..selectmen
800.211.DEPO (3376)

KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
32:11
33:6,14
34:9,10
35:15,20,
21 36:4,
6,16
37:20
38:19
39:1,3
40:11
41:6,14,
15 45:23
51:13
52:16
57:13,15
58:1 68:3
113:6
122:19
123:7
124:3
126:8,12,
14 131:6
send
20:6
23:19
24:18
27:17,18
44:22,23
45:3 54:6
83:11
sending
20:2
23:21
24:13,17
28:3
37:18
45:8
52:11
sense
34:9
sentence
86:22
128:6,8
separate
6:19
27:22
September
77:14
83:2,17
84:3,13,
14 85:4
86:22
103:1
106:7
115:20
116:4,15
series
60:7
92:14
served
67:20,23
serves
22:2
31:23
services
21:15
57:14
82:10
107:5
130:22
serving
8:18
67:22
session
31:19
73:8
89:12
93:13,16
94:19
set
9:20 15:3
20:7,14
21:1
44:11
45:9
51:9,13
61:23
74:18
75:8,15,
17 99:22
101:19,23
102:11
130:7
setting
9:17,23
17:23
19:18
20:4
32:19
36:5
50:13
75:5
76:5,11,
13 98:15
99:3,6,
20,23
101:10
103:13,20
settings
9:8 74:14
75:21
76:20
settled
39:9,22
settlement
39:10,18,
21 40:11
share
11:23
sheet
63:7
Shelton
79:21,22
short
13:12
66:11
show
25:15
52:23
58:19,22
99:11
110:4,5,
8,19
shows
94:9
118:19
shut
46:22
side
59:3 64:3
sign
22:13
23:2
28:13
signature
50:8
signed
40:11
103:9
signing
23:5,10
28:17
silent
36:13
simple
116:3
single
98:13,19
128:10
single-page
127:19
singular
18:7
sir
6:21
59:14
situation
37:16
45:19
46:7,8,20
48:21
49:13
50:2,17
situations
121:8
slang
21:7
46:19
small
65:1
solely
107:6
somebody's
21:8
102:4
sort
6:14 7:6
17:11
19:23
20:9
30:22
37:8
39:17
46:11,12
47:3
49:15
127:5
128:2
129:17
130:1
SOUCY
5:7,19,22
6:2 16:7,
12 25:8
28:23
29:1 30:7
34:17,20,
23 35:5
37:3
51:21
55:1
56:9,11,
12 58:11
61:3
KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
Index: send..SOUCY
800.211.DEPO (3376)

KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
62:19
63:3,13,
16 66:6,
19,23
71:13,18,
20 72:4
75:22
76:7,15,
22 80:22
81:12,19
82:2 89:2
90:11
94:7,14,
23 100:23
101:3,12
102:2
103:15
105:13,22
106:9,19,
23 107:7,
15,18,23
108:5,15,
22 109:2,
13,17
110:8,13,
17 111:2,
14,17,21
112:1,19
113:2,23
117:23
118:4,7
119:16,23
120:1
123:1,11
129:15
130:10
131:2,11
sound
30:21,22
61:16
sounds
51:17
78:17
102:4
speak
123:18
speaking
84:15
specific
15:8
specificall
y
18:6
69:13
91:14
107:4,13
108:23
109:8
129:7
spell
6:5
spite
101:20
102:11
spoil
105:23
spoken
129:23
spot
14:23
15:2
stack
63:5
standard
68:8,15,
20 69:4,6
120:7
121:3,7
standards
68:2
stapled
63:7
start
8:18
43:15
50:18
53:21
103:2
started
5:19 43:2
65:12
102:23
103:2,3,6
116:16
starting
85:2
starts
128:9
state
6:5 18:15
43:20
67:17,18
72:1
75:20
76:19
120:21,22
stated
38:4
44:19
45:21
60:2 66:8
82:6
98:17
102:9
122:13
128:21
statement
47:17
49:4
85:12
86:8
statements
120:16
states
44:9 55:8
61:11
75:9 85:6
86:8,23
96:23
98:12
121:13
130:18
stating
86:10
87:15
102:13
status
40:15,19
statutes
120:21
stay
108:19
stenographe
r
5:11
25:21
58:23
step
11:4
stepped
12:21
stepping
21:7
Steve
14:5
23:22
24:13,23
26:12
28:10,14,
16 44:5,
15 46:16
47:12
65:18
102:19
103:9
115:15
119:1,4,8
Steve's
25:5
Steven
22:20
23:20
sticker
25:18
stipulation
s
5:20 6:1
35:2
stood
14:5,6
stop
8:3,6,11
26:20
story
110:4
stressed
46:19
strike
81:22
89:22
91:16,21
95:21
100:15
strive
120:18,19
stuff
16:10
22:10
subject
35:20
90:23
92:23
submission
104:23
submit
110:19
112:6
submitted
103:19
114:3,17
successful
KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
Index: sound..successful
800.211.DEPO (3376)

KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
8:22
suggested
80:7,10
summarize
35:10
summary
26:3
44:5,8
60:2
65:14,15
66:14
67:1
105:17
106:2,8,
12 107:6,
21 108:1,
6 109:1
111:1
113:11
114:13
122:17
131:15
supported
65:19
supposed
15:16,18
16:23
17:15
27:16,18
48:12
surveillanc
ed
96:8
suspend
66:20
131:16
suspended
131:13,17
suspends
67:1
sword
88:19
sworn
5:3
synopsis
91:20
T
table
112:10
taking
48:20
49:4,7
108:17
114:8
talk
5:22
17:22
22:4
37:7,9
48:15
talked
22:3
80:9,15
100:2,20
117:16
talking
27:1
43:17
50:21
61:22
81:1 86:6
103:2
126:2
talks
107:4,13
109:10,11
Tara
119:5
tax
9:7,17,22
15:3
17:23
19:18
20:4,7
21:1 36:5
44:10
50:13
51:9,13
74:13,18
75:8,17,
20 76:5,
11,13,20
98:23
99:3,6
100:5
101:23
102:11
103:20
130:7,8
technically
53:20
telling
106:1
tells
91:11
term
9:3,5
terminate
12:4 19:1
91:18,23
96:9
termination
92:3
terms
19:10
39:18
testified
5:4 67:18
87:20
88:12
93:6 94:4
97:11
101:9
106:5
109:9
115:23
116:18
126:3
testimony
76:4 81:9
84:17
88:23
94:8
100:4
101:13
107:8,16
text
127:6
theories
105:10
there'll
5:12
thin
63:5
thing
8:8 13:23
30:23
50:10,13
53:19
58:22
68:11
77:5 89:4
things
6:19 8:3
11:3,4
18:10,11,
19 19:9
22:7 26:8
33:7
37:22
46:2
51:18
62:16,23
81:3
99:22
112:5
123:8
126:17
129:8
thinking
23:13
110:18
thought
14:13
43:18
47:7,10
48:11
54:18
57:19
threatened
46:22
three-page
59:6
61:18
Three-year
9:5
Thursday
47:21
tied
110:14
tight-
lipped
36:22
time
7:12 9:2,
16 11:5
13:3
15:9,15
16:16
17:21
26:14
38:23
39:8
40:18
41:9,11
42:11
43:17
47:6,7
49:6 50:8
52:6,20
58:14
64:1
KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
Index: suggested..time
800.211.DEPO (3376)

KEVIN KNAPP
May 21, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
82:17
83:6
84:1,13
85:18
87:10
88:6
89:7,14
93:1,5
94:16
95:5
103:4
110:13
113:3
114:14
115:8
117:12
122:14
124:8
130:23
timeline
129:8
times
33:13
48:5
126:6
title
63:8
today
51:9,13,
15 59:7
76:4 81:9
84:17
109:9
111:23
121:2
126:4
toes
21:8
Toh
70:17
told
20:12
45:7
91:8,10
tooken
79:3
top
26:9
55:17
59:8 60:9
62:5 64:4
69:23
119:6
121:13
topic
87:10
total
53:20
57:2,5
totally
108:13,16
touch
80:2
town
8:16,19
9:5,8,18,
23 10:17
11:12,13
12:5,10,
13 13:10,
14,20,21
16:5,15,
19,22
17:1,6
18:4,9,
12,16,17,
18,23
19:4,8,18
23:21
24:2,7,8
25:12
26:7
27:9,10,
12,22
29:3,6,9,
17,18,21
30:4,9,
15,17,18
31:3,9,22
32:1,14,
17,18
33:1,3
35:9,12,
23 36:14,
15,17,18,
19 37:19,
20 38:1,
2,4,10,18
39:4,9,23
40:15,16,
19 41:2,7
42:6,19,
23 43:10
44:10
45:18,21
46:1
52:14,18
53:1
54:3,9,
11,13,14
55:7,15
57:15
62:2,3
63:9 64:8
65:23
67:11,16,
20 68:6,8
70:23
72:12,17
73:8,23
74:5,11,
17,21
75:4,15
77:3,13
80:18,21
81:4
83:18,23
85:6
86:23
87:15
90:23
93:4,12,
23 95:17
97:21
98:1,18,
22 99:2,
20,23
101:20
102:11
103:20,23
104:3,20
105:8,11
106:11
108:6
109:14
111:2,7,
8,9
112:10,12
113:4,14,
17,23
114:3,8,
15 115:5,
16 116:9,
10,16
117:3,11
118:20
120:4,6
126:1,2
129:11,22
130:22
town's
26:3
29:20
30:14
44:8
56:16,18,
20 57:7,9
74:18
96:9
98:19
105:16
107:23
112:7
113:4,10
114:10
118:3
119:18
126:7
128:15
townspeople
89:6
transcribed
6:16
transcribin
g
8:6
transcript
5:12 6:4
7:9 8:12
119:19
transition
82:15
trial
22:7
triggering
83:16
true
69:17
105:11
121:18
trust
29:3,4,5,
8,12,14
36:19
105:10
Tucker
13:9 31:4
47:15
Tuesday
63:10
turn
69:8,22,
23 83:5
92:15
93:19
104:19
turned
130:6
TV
22:8
two-page
26:2
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type
7:8
typed
5:17 6:3,
16,23 8:7
23:14
59:23
types
15:21
typically
67:14
U
uh-huh
7:7 82:21
83:9
85:17
93:18
94:1
96:22
97:4
98:8,16,
20 110:16
118:23
uh-uh
7:7
unaware
43:3
unclear
43:5
underneath
26:11
64:8
127:5
understand
7:14,15,
17,19,22
10:6
11:18,22
25:2
27:15
30:23
understandi
ng
9:6 10:1,
16,19,23
11:10,19
14:9
16:13,17
18:2
20:8,11
23:8
25:10
26:22
30:21
33:6
39:17
40:8
41:21
48:18
49:5,18
68:5
107:9
120:15
122:2
130:21
understood
15:12
18:11
25:4 32:2
37:16
126:8
unknowledge
able
47:1
unknown
46:21
upset
27:4
usual
5:20 6:1,
14
V
vaguely
40:2
valid
36:8
37:23
verbatim
6:3 9:13
verbatimly
9:9 19:12
20:13
58:6
vice
22:20
28:13
115:16
views
43:18
vote
19:16
22:22
31:10,21
32:5,9,10
69:15,20
73:13
96:9
104:16
121:14
voted
17:5
31:4,7
47:13
60:23
66:15
85:20
87:23
117:6
voting
88:13
90:4
117:1,4
W
wait
6:17 8:9,
10
waited
48:2
waiting
107:2
waive
88:13
waiver
15:13
22:14
23:2,6,11
waiving
32:11
88:16
90:5
wanted
18:22
19:1
21:3,13
54:9
60:18,21
62:10
86:1 91:4
111:8
Warmington
46:6,14
47:21,23
49:11
58:17,18
98:10,17,
21 99:2,
5,9,21
129:10,21
warrant
31:18
54:8
77:23
83:13
85:8,14
86:3,10,
13,16
130:19
website
29:20
30:5,14
week
14:22
15:9 45:8
Woodsum
13:15
14:17
15:7,8,
12,15
20:16
44:21
45:3,13
47:16
49:22
52:2,8,
11,15,18,
19 60:20
66:2
95:18,23
96:10
127:13
Woodsville
10:9,14,
18 11:3,
11 12:6
30:13,14
33:2
35:16,23
37:18
39:8,23
41:19
50:4,6
54:8
71:2,5,10
72:3,12,
14 73:10,
21 74:6,
13,17
75:14,16,
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Index: type..Woodsville
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21 76:6,
14,21
77:18,21
79:23
80:1,4
81:22
82:1
87:3,8,17
122:18,22
123:9
Woodsville'
s
29:19
78:19,21
80:2 82:9
Woodsville/
haverhill
71:16
word
6:4
20:22,23
42:12
50:20
128:4
word-for-
word
122:3
worded
7:16 37:6
wording
22:5
words
18:18
20:9 28:6
34:13
work
21:15,21
22:5,8
23:20
30:4
40:17
42:1
49:13
57:14
61:11,16
67:12,14
80:18,20
92:5
100:5
101:10
130:19,21
worked
11:15
84:1
working
79:11
91:18
102:23
103:2,3,6
worry
5:22 21:8
worrying
21:7
write
28:10
77:17
78:1,7,12
80:5
95:17
writes
32:22
47:14,19
48:16
49:17
96:23
writing
33:3
50:17
52:9,12
79:6
126:16
written
30:18
33:10
35:8
65:14
78:23
79:2
122:3
125:20
126:11
wrong
117:15
wrote
44:15
45:6 46:4
47:13
49:2,11
50:1 79:9
Y
year
43:13
85:19
88:22
94:5
years
9:4 86:7
yesterday
53:2
Yup
91:1,3
94:20
101:17,22
104:6
105:6
122:10
Z
Zoom
61:23
62:9,10
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800.211.DEPO (3376)

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