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An introduction to Batteries
N. Murer
Outline
1. Definition and principles
2. Technology
1. Characteristics
Outline
1. Definition and principles
2. Technology
1. Characteristics
An electrical battery is one or more electrochemical
cells that convert stored chemical energy into electrical
energy (= current).
Primary batteries : cannot be recharged.
Secondary batteries : rechargeable batteries that involve
reversible reactions (backward and forward)
Definition
How it works
Electrolyte
1. Initial state (charged) : Ecell = EOC
M
M
+ -
M
Ecell = Cell voltage = potential difference between the
positive electrode and the negative electrode.
M
Example of a Li-ion battery
+ -
Electrolyte
2. Discharge : Ecell < EOC (charged) (Spontaneous reactions)
e-
M+
M
M
M
How it works
Example of a Li-ion battery
Cathode/Reduction
(Insertion)
Anode/Oxidation
(Desinsertion)
+ -
Electrolyte
3. Charge : Ecell > EOC (discharged) (Forced reactions)
M M+
e-
M M
How it works
Example of a Li-ion battery
Cathode/Reduction
(Re-Insertion)
Anode/Oxidation
(Desinsertion)
Outline
1. Definition and principles
2. Technology
3. Characteristics
• Lead acid batteries (PbO2-Pb)
• Alkaline batteries (Ni-MH and Ni-Cd)
• Lithium-ion batteries (LiCoO2-, LiMn2O4-,LiFePO4-C6)
• Lithium Metal Polymer, Lithium-Air, …
Various materials are used for the positive and negative
electrodes and the electrolyte
Technology
Name
Initial Charged State After discharge
Electrolyte
Main
application
+ - + -
Lead Acid PbO2 Pb PbSO4 PbSO4 H2SO4
Automobile
starter, PV
Nickel Cadmium NiO(OH) Cd Ni(OH)2 Cd(OH)2
KOH
Electronics
Nickel-Metal
Hydride
NiO(OH) MH Ni(OH)2 M
Li-ion
Li1-xCoO2 LixC6 LiCoO2 C6 LiPF6 in
organic
solvent
Li1-xFePO4 LixC6 LiFePO4 C6
Li-Metal Li LixV3O8 Li V2O5 Polymer
Electronics,
transportation
Technology
Source : www.umicore.com
Lithium batteries represent now the largest share of the market
Technology
Outline
1. Definition and principles
2. Technology
3. Characteristics
Nominal Potential
constant potential value of the battery during the discharge in V
One cell voltage : Pb = 2 V, Ni-MH = 1.2 V, Li-ion = 3.6 V
Deep discharge or deep
charge can lead to
potentially dangerous
unwanted non-
reversible reactions.
Ex : H2 production for
Ni-Cd battery.
at constant current
Characteristics
Capacity
electrical charge that can be stored in a reversible way in A.h
1 mol of electrons (6.1023 e-) = 1 Faraday = 96 500 C = 26.81 A.h
Energy = Voltage x Capacity in W.h or V.A.h
Power = Voltage x Current in W
Discharge rate (or charge): current discharge value (galvanostatic
mode) expressed as a function of the theoretical capacity.
C/n cycling rate: C (theoretical capacity)/n (number of hours).
Capacity, Energy and Power are usually expressed by unit of mass or
volume for comparison purpose.
Characteristics
Characteristics
Stack : several batteries in series or parallel
1 2 3 4
+ + + +
- - - -
E1 E2 E3 E4
Estack = E1 + E2 + E3 + E4
Istack = I1 = I2 = I3 = I4 (same current in all four elements)
I
Series
Parallel
1
2
3
4
+ + + +
- - - -
Load Estack
Istack
Estack = E1 = E2 = E3 = E4
Istack = I1+ I2 + I3 + I4
Comparison
Battery type
Lead-
acid
Ni-MH Ni-Cd Li-ion
Rechargeable
alkaline
Nominal
Potential per
cell (V)
2 1.2 1.2 3.6 1.5
Advantages
Cheap Higher capacity than
NiCd
Less sensitive than
NiCd to overcharging,
memory effect and
deep unloading
Rather cheap
High currents
allowed
Highest capacity High capacity (ca.
2 times higher
than Ni-MH)
Drawbacks
Heavy More expensive than
NiCd
Toxic
Memory effect
Degrades when
overcharged
Unusable after
too deep
unloading
Expensive
Capacity
decreases, even
when not used
Explosion risk at
overheating,
over-voltage or
polarity reversal
Capacity reduced
after each cycle
(e.g. 50% after 15
cycles)
Thank you for your
attention

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introduction-to-batteries_ggfghhhbattery.pdf

  • 1. An introduction to Batteries N. Murer
  • 2. Outline 1. Definition and principles 2. Technology 1. Characteristics
  • 3. Outline 1. Definition and principles 2. Technology 1. Characteristics
  • 4. An electrical battery is one or more electrochemical cells that convert stored chemical energy into electrical energy (= current). Primary batteries : cannot be recharged. Secondary batteries : rechargeable batteries that involve reversible reactions (backward and forward) Definition
  • 5. How it works Electrolyte 1. Initial state (charged) : Ecell = EOC M M + - M Ecell = Cell voltage = potential difference between the positive electrode and the negative electrode. M Example of a Li-ion battery
  • 6. + - Electrolyte 2. Discharge : Ecell < EOC (charged) (Spontaneous reactions) e- M+ M M M How it works Example of a Li-ion battery Cathode/Reduction (Insertion) Anode/Oxidation (Desinsertion)
  • 7. + - Electrolyte 3. Charge : Ecell > EOC (discharged) (Forced reactions) M M+ e- M M How it works Example of a Li-ion battery Cathode/Reduction (Re-Insertion) Anode/Oxidation (Desinsertion)
  • 8. Outline 1. Definition and principles 2. Technology 3. Characteristics
  • 9. • Lead acid batteries (PbO2-Pb) • Alkaline batteries (Ni-MH and Ni-Cd) • Lithium-ion batteries (LiCoO2-, LiMn2O4-,LiFePO4-C6) • Lithium Metal Polymer, Lithium-Air, … Various materials are used for the positive and negative electrodes and the electrolyte Technology
  • 10. Name Initial Charged State After discharge Electrolyte Main application + - + - Lead Acid PbO2 Pb PbSO4 PbSO4 H2SO4 Automobile starter, PV Nickel Cadmium NiO(OH) Cd Ni(OH)2 Cd(OH)2 KOH Electronics Nickel-Metal Hydride NiO(OH) MH Ni(OH)2 M Li-ion Li1-xCoO2 LixC6 LiCoO2 C6 LiPF6 in organic solvent Li1-xFePO4 LixC6 LiFePO4 C6 Li-Metal Li LixV3O8 Li V2O5 Polymer Electronics, transportation Technology
  • 11. Source : www.umicore.com Lithium batteries represent now the largest share of the market Technology
  • 12. Outline 1. Definition and principles 2. Technology 3. Characteristics
  • 13. Nominal Potential constant potential value of the battery during the discharge in V One cell voltage : Pb = 2 V, Ni-MH = 1.2 V, Li-ion = 3.6 V Deep discharge or deep charge can lead to potentially dangerous unwanted non- reversible reactions. Ex : H2 production for Ni-Cd battery. at constant current Characteristics
  • 14. Capacity electrical charge that can be stored in a reversible way in A.h 1 mol of electrons (6.1023 e-) = 1 Faraday = 96 500 C = 26.81 A.h Energy = Voltage x Capacity in W.h or V.A.h Power = Voltage x Current in W Discharge rate (or charge): current discharge value (galvanostatic mode) expressed as a function of the theoretical capacity. C/n cycling rate: C (theoretical capacity)/n (number of hours). Capacity, Energy and Power are usually expressed by unit of mass or volume for comparison purpose. Characteristics
  • 15. Characteristics Stack : several batteries in series or parallel 1 2 3 4 + + + + - - - - E1 E2 E3 E4 Estack = E1 + E2 + E3 + E4 Istack = I1 = I2 = I3 = I4 (same current in all four elements) I Series Parallel 1 2 3 4 + + + + - - - - Load Estack Istack Estack = E1 = E2 = E3 = E4 Istack = I1+ I2 + I3 + I4
  • 16. Comparison Battery type Lead- acid Ni-MH Ni-Cd Li-ion Rechargeable alkaline Nominal Potential per cell (V) 2 1.2 1.2 3.6 1.5 Advantages Cheap Higher capacity than NiCd Less sensitive than NiCd to overcharging, memory effect and deep unloading Rather cheap High currents allowed Highest capacity High capacity (ca. 2 times higher than Ni-MH) Drawbacks Heavy More expensive than NiCd Toxic Memory effect Degrades when overcharged Unusable after too deep unloading Expensive Capacity decreases, even when not used Explosion risk at overheating, over-voltage or polarity reversal Capacity reduced after each cycle (e.g. 50% after 15 cycles)
  • 17. Thank you for your attention