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Teddie S. Hays
09 April, 2015
Source- Eurelectric
There Is No Standard!!
Cents Per kWh by State
State Residential Commercial Industrial
Oregon 10.2 86.5 5.8
California 17.1 14.1 10.8
New York 19.3 14.9 6.1
South Dakota 10.0 86.0 6.9
Ohio 12.3 98.9 6.6
Texas 11.8 80.0 6.3
Florida 11.9 10.0 8.0
Renewable Energy World .com
 “People like to compare the cost to generate
electricity from various resources, like wind
or solar, to the cost to generate electricity
from coal, nuclear and natural gas.
Comparing these costs is like comparing
apples to oranges.”
Apples vs. Oranges
 While both are fruits and both have seeds that’s
about where the similarities end. Have you ever
had an Orange pie? How about Apple sherbet ice
cream? Another analogy would be to compare a
skateboard to a car. They are both vehicles with
four wheels but that’s about all they have in
common.
The “Other” Types
Coal
Natural Gas
Nuclear
Wind
Solar
What are “Economic Benefits”?
 Cost to Consumer?
 Infrastructure?
 Longevity?
 Job creation?
 Efficiency?
 Environmental Impact?
 Safety?
 Cost of initial investment?
 Reliability?
 Operations and Maintenance (O&M)?
In a nutshell they are:
Capital Cost
Cost of O&M
Efficiency
Cost to Consumer
Environmental Impact
Capital Cost
 The 1939 total cost of building the dam was estimated
by the Army Corps of Engineers at $23,700,000.
 McNary Dam estimated cost in 1977 was $304,700,00.
 $304,700,00 = $1.2 billion today
 McNary produces estimated $300 million worth of
power a year with an average budget of $25 million.
 Estimated cost of new hydro plants are $3 thousand
per kw/h.
 $1.5 billion = 500 MW plant
Over Night Capital Cost
Type Capacity $/KW 500 MW Plant
Cost (Billions)
Coal w/ CCS 650 MW $5,227 $2.61
Natural Gas w/
CCS
340 MW $2,095 $1.05
Nuclear 2000 MW $5,530 $2.77
Wind 100 MW $2,213 $1.11
Solar 150 MW $3,873 $1.94
Hydro 500 MW $2,936 $1.47
O & M
Type Capacity $/kW - yr $ million – yr
(@ 500 MW)
Coal w/ CCS 650 MW $80.53 $40.2
Natural Gas w/
CCS
340 MW $31.79 $15.9
Nuclear 2000 MW $93.28 $46.6
Wind 100 MW $39.55 $19.8
Solar 150 MW $24.69 $12.3
Hydro 500 MW $14.13 $7.1
Efficiency
Type Efficiency %
Coal w/ CCS 32% - 48%
Natural Gas w/ CCS 32% -38%
(w/ Co-Gen 60%)
Nuclear 36% - 40%
Wind 30% – 45%
Solar 12% - 20%
Hydro 85% - 90%
Cost to Consumer
Flood Control
Environmental Impact
Coal
 Little expensive
 Low-end of efficiency
 Mid-range cost to consumer
 Abundant source of coal
 Horrible for the environment
Natural Gas
 Very cheap
 Can be efficient w/ Co-Gen
 Low cost to consumers
 Abundant source of Natural Gas
 Low emissions, Fracking protested greatly
Nuclear
Mid-range cost
Low-end efficiency
Higher consumer cost
Cheap fuel source
Nuclear Waste and possibility of
meltdown
Wind
Low-range cost (with Gov. subsides)
Average efficiency
Low consumer cost
Fuel source unpredictability
Approve by environmentalists, may
cause draught
Solar
Very expensive
Worst efficiency
High cost to consumer
Fuel source unpredictability
Loved by environmentalists, not
practical
Hydro
 Low range cost
 Highest efficiency
 Lowest cost to consumer
 Renewable fuel source
 No emissions, renewable, some
environmental impact, hated by
environmentalists
Conclusion
If we can’t agree on the best ways to build our economy
how can we agree on the best ways to build
economically viable power plants?
At what point does cost and efficiency stop being a factor
due to demand?
If we outgrow our provision for energy production where
do we turn?
Economic benefits of hydropower compared to other power

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Economic benefits of hydropower compared to other power

  • 1. Teddie S. Hays 09 April, 2015
  • 3. There Is No Standard!!
  • 4. Cents Per kWh by State State Residential Commercial Industrial Oregon 10.2 86.5 5.8 California 17.1 14.1 10.8 New York 19.3 14.9 6.1 South Dakota 10.0 86.0 6.9 Ohio 12.3 98.9 6.6 Texas 11.8 80.0 6.3 Florida 11.9 10.0 8.0
  • 5. Renewable Energy World .com  “People like to compare the cost to generate electricity from various resources, like wind or solar, to the cost to generate electricity from coal, nuclear and natural gas. Comparing these costs is like comparing apples to oranges.”
  • 6. Apples vs. Oranges  While both are fruits and both have seeds that’s about where the similarities end. Have you ever had an Orange pie? How about Apple sherbet ice cream? Another analogy would be to compare a skateboard to a car. They are both vehicles with four wheels but that’s about all they have in common.
  • 7.
  • 8. The “Other” Types Coal Natural Gas Nuclear Wind Solar
  • 9. What are “Economic Benefits”?  Cost to Consumer?  Infrastructure?  Longevity?  Job creation?  Efficiency?  Environmental Impact?  Safety?  Cost of initial investment?  Reliability?  Operations and Maintenance (O&M)?
  • 10. In a nutshell they are: Capital Cost Cost of O&M Efficiency Cost to Consumer Environmental Impact
  • 11. Capital Cost  The 1939 total cost of building the dam was estimated by the Army Corps of Engineers at $23,700,000.  McNary Dam estimated cost in 1977 was $304,700,00.  $304,700,00 = $1.2 billion today  McNary produces estimated $300 million worth of power a year with an average budget of $25 million.  Estimated cost of new hydro plants are $3 thousand per kw/h.  $1.5 billion = 500 MW plant
  • 12. Over Night Capital Cost Type Capacity $/KW 500 MW Plant Cost (Billions) Coal w/ CCS 650 MW $5,227 $2.61 Natural Gas w/ CCS 340 MW $2,095 $1.05 Nuclear 2000 MW $5,530 $2.77 Wind 100 MW $2,213 $1.11 Solar 150 MW $3,873 $1.94 Hydro 500 MW $2,936 $1.47
  • 13. O & M Type Capacity $/kW - yr $ million – yr (@ 500 MW) Coal w/ CCS 650 MW $80.53 $40.2 Natural Gas w/ CCS 340 MW $31.79 $15.9 Nuclear 2000 MW $93.28 $46.6 Wind 100 MW $39.55 $19.8 Solar 150 MW $24.69 $12.3 Hydro 500 MW $14.13 $7.1
  • 14. Efficiency Type Efficiency % Coal w/ CCS 32% - 48% Natural Gas w/ CCS 32% -38% (w/ Co-Gen 60%) Nuclear 36% - 40% Wind 30% – 45% Solar 12% - 20% Hydro 85% - 90%
  • 18. Coal  Little expensive  Low-end of efficiency  Mid-range cost to consumer  Abundant source of coal  Horrible for the environment
  • 19. Natural Gas  Very cheap  Can be efficient w/ Co-Gen  Low cost to consumers  Abundant source of Natural Gas  Low emissions, Fracking protested greatly
  • 20. Nuclear Mid-range cost Low-end efficiency Higher consumer cost Cheap fuel source Nuclear Waste and possibility of meltdown
  • 21. Wind Low-range cost (with Gov. subsides) Average efficiency Low consumer cost Fuel source unpredictability Approve by environmentalists, may cause draught
  • 22. Solar Very expensive Worst efficiency High cost to consumer Fuel source unpredictability Loved by environmentalists, not practical
  • 23. Hydro  Low range cost  Highest efficiency  Lowest cost to consumer  Renewable fuel source  No emissions, renewable, some environmental impact, hated by environmentalists
  • 24. Conclusion If we can’t agree on the best ways to build our economy how can we agree on the best ways to build economically viable power plants? At what point does cost and efficiency stop being a factor due to demand? If we outgrow our provision for energy production where do we turn?

Editor's Notes

  1. Choose topic because I thought it would be fairly easy…apparently I’m an idiot. Very complicated, HUGE amount of information and opinions, numerous variables to be considered, hard to find a place to start and stay with in set topics. Like comparing apples to oranges, they are both fruit, have seeds, make juice but way different, climate, look, texture, taste, use in pies. I believe a short journey of my path will accurately represent the vast scope of this topic.
  2. First started with search of “benefits of hydropower” – bad choice of words Apparently Hydropower is the source of anything bad that has ever happened in the world Finding reputable source not as easy as I thought Very reputable source lots of good information WIND Power 35% or so… great place to start from….maybe….how do I really know….
  3. The Wall Street Journal- suppose to be a good reputable source??? Where did they get these numbers…??? 1,100 percent efficient?? I like Hydro but over 300 percent efficient, and some of the other percentages seem to be on par with other sources. McNary Dam is 990 MW facility. (This information even various depending on what website you go to. EIA states this rate as of 2014, Wiki says 1,129MW, USACE says 980MW, BPA says 1,120.)
  4. U.S. Energy Information Administration website, EIA Notice New York Industrial No Consistency In Power Cost Either!!!! It is widely accepted that where power generation is cheaper the cost to the consumer is cheaper.
  5. I found this article towards the end of my research. I felt it was very accurate. Represented my struggles well Used the same term apples to oranges Comments section some people stated the article was horrible filled with half truths Adds to the inconsistent nature of comparison. Wait for next slide, Next hurdle, what do I include?
  6. I found this article towards the end of my research. I felt it was very accurate. Represented my struggles well Used the same term apples to oranges Comments section some people stated the article was horrible filled with half truths Adds to the inconsistent nature of comparison. Wait for next slide, Next hurdle, what do I include?
  7. Then we have which power do we include in this presentation? Because there is a Bunch Some of them very creative and interesting Do not produce large amounts of power that is in demand, less than 1MW Wave power peaks at about 250kv McNary Dam is 990 MW facility. (This information even various depending on what website you go to. EIA states this rate as of 2014, Wiki says 1,129MW, USACE says 980MW, BPA says 1,120.)
  8. These are the big dogs with Solar representing “other renewable” since it is the largest producer in that category. However it should be noted that it is by no means an accurate representation of all “other renewable”. The numbers for these source vary greatly and could have an entire presentation of their own .
  9. Again a wide range of variables can be put into the equation. The list could go on and on
  10. While it has been narrowed down for the purpose of this presentation these are by no means the only factors considered in power production.
  11. These numbers don’t translate perfectly. Numerous other factors today, Safety Permits Litigation Better wages This does however make an amazing case to keep current Hydro operation running Anticipated navigation benefits did not justify costs. But, the Corps of Engineers decided, "it is possible that sufficient surplus power from the dams can be sold within the next 50 years to make the improvement economically sound."
  12. From U.S. Energy Information Administration website. Different MW production makes comparison difficult Horse Heavens -Nine Canyon Capacity: 95 MW
  13. Trying to make some sort of similar comparison with last column but note it is not feasible to compare 2000MW nuclear to 100MW Wind due to large diffi in: Size of land uses Safety of power source Environmental Impact
  14. These numbers where the most consistent Throwing out odd balls and averaging the rest
  15. Levelized cost represents the dollars per-kh cost of building and operating a generating plant over an assumed financial life and duty cycle. Key inputs to calculating levelized costs include overnight capital costs, fuel costs, fixed and variable O&M costs, financing costs, and an assumed utilization rate for each plant type. This scale is very widely used… It does not take into consideration other benefits like, navigation which the dam was originally built for, and flood control.
  16. We can’t put a economic value on life How does NG help in this area?
  17. People will find a negative impact for any type of power generation used, then use that power they hate so much to post their opinion on the internet. Everything is skewed to make the provider of the information look better. You can find “facts” to benefit or degrade any source of power generation available. Even Coal
  18. Lots of problems Being phased out Still largest producer of power in US To much pollution for to many years Mining is being stopped, no export
  19. Growth slowed only by environmental impact.
  20. 16 license applications since 2007= no new plants 6 possible by 2020
  21. Largest growing production in US Considered best option, so was coal at one point
  22. 2nd largest growing power producer Huge amount of support, even with its draw backs
  23. Despite the cheap clean power Public outcry has all but stopped development of new hydro Not just power but ease of navigation to increase trade Flood Control Relying on flowing water does instead of fluctuating fossil fuel costs.
  24. My conclusion is I’ve been left with more question than I began with. 2nd law of thermal dynamics comes into play at some point