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TheStayInterview
ATrauma-InformedApproach
Beforewestart:
Shareyourlocation,role,
andcompanyinthechat
Agenda
WhyRetentionEffortsFail
HowTraumaLeadstoBiasedData
WhatEmployeesNeedtoFeelSafe
Real-WorldTactics
Hello!Nicetomeetyou.
BenJackson,Founder&Principal
Agenda
WhyRetentionEffortsFail
HowTraumaLeadstoBiasedData
WhatEmployeesNeedtoFeelSafe
Real-WorldTactics
U.S.employeeswithtenuresof
3 monthsorlesslookingtoquit
LatticeSurvey,April2022
52% U.S.employeeswhoexperience
stressonadailybasisattheirjob
GallupStateoftheGlobalWorkplace,June2022
58%
Howoftendoyouavoidraising
concernswithyouremployer?
ShareintheChat
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Struggling to ramp up
Behind on key deliverables
Requesting extra WFH days
Disengaged in meetings
Avoids asking for help
Coworker reports poor quality of work
Atypicalretentionstory
Whatmanagerssee:
Adaily90-minutecommutesapshisfocus. On remote
days, he’s very productive. But his manager has made
it clear that WFH is a privilege that depends on results.
What’s worse, his teammate is overworkedand
impatient. The relationship has soured to a point
where just seeing them in person leaves him anxious.
He wishes he could speak up, but he’s heard the
company never approves WFH requests. And the last
time he went to HR, he was forcedoutofajob.
Atypicalretentionstory
What’sleftunsaid:
“
Stay interviewsareconductedtohelp
managersunderstandwhyemployeesstayand
whatmightcausethemtoleave.
– Society for Human Resource Management
Whatdoesthis
personneed?
Whatdoes
everyoneneed?
From: To:
Agenda
WhyRetentionEffortsFail
HowTraumaLeadstoBiasedData
WhatEmployeesNeedtoFeelSafe
Real-WorldTactics
“
Ihaveanopen-doorpolicy.I’mmorethanhappyto
hearpeopleoutandfixwhatIcan.Butifsomeofthem
areincapableofcomingtouswiththeirfeedback,
that’saseparateissueweneedtoaddress.
“
Theexpectationisthatifyouencourage
peopletospeakupandcontributetheirideas
andopinions,noonewillremainsilent…[but]
wesawthatpeoplequiteoftenvolunteered
ideasevenastheysilencedtheirfears.
– Parke and Sherf, Academy of Management Journal
Even vocal employees still avoid raising issues
Whataresomeexperiences
thatlimityourwillingnesstobe
yourfullselfatwork?
Breakout
ofemployeeswithholdfeedbackonroutine
problemsandopportunitiesforimprovement
becausetheyseeitasawasteoftime
Detert,Burris,andHarrison,HarvardBusinessReview
25%
HowSelf-CensorshipImpactsRetention
Onboarding
Newhiresavoidaskingforhelp,take
longertorampup,andcreatemore
workfortheircoworkers.
Productivity
Majordragsonproductivityare
overlooked,leadingtoburnoutwhen
worktakeslongerthanitshould.
Engagement
Employeesdon’tspeakupwhenthey’re
unhappyatwork,andeventuallyendup
quiet quitting(orjustquitting).
Agenda
WhyRetentionEffortsFail
HowTraumaLeadstoBiasedData
WhatEmployeesNeedtoFeelSafe
Real-WorldTactics
“
Trauma-InformedCareisanapproachinthehuman
servicefieldthatassumesthatanindividualismore
likelythannottohaveahistoryoftrauma.
– The Institute on Trauma and Trauma-Informed Care
Buffalo University Center for Social Research
What’swrong
withthem?
Whathappened
tothem?
From: To:
Whatdoyouneedtofeelsafe
speakingopenlyaboutyour
challengesatwork?
ShareintheChat
ThreeThingsEmployeesNeedtoFeelSafe
Confidentiality
Redactionanddiscretionarecritical.
Employeesneedtoknowtheiridentity
won’tberevealed,evenunintentionally.
Clarity
Employeesneedtoclearlyunderstand
whatdataisbeingcollectedandwhy,
whereit’sstored,andforhowlong.
Consent
Employeesneedtoprovideinformed
consentbeforesharingsensitive
feedbackthatcouldputthematrisk.
“
Ifwereallywanttocreateanopen,transparent
culture,we’llneedtobuildasystemwhereeveryone
feelssafetospeakupaboutissuesthatmightnotrise
tothelevelofawhistleblowercomplaint.
How to respond to concerns about confidentiality:
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Unclear purpose of research
No option for employee to withdraw
Little to no expectation of confidentiality
Employees feel pressure to join
Uncertain when (or if) findings will be shared
Unclear how participation benefits employee
Planning&Communication
TopMistakesWhenAskingforFeedback
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Using focus groups instead of 1:1 interviews
Straying from the planned research topics
Asking vague, leading, or speculative questions
Relying on notes instead of recording a transcript
Pushing back on critical feedback
Trying to problem-solve in the moment
Ignoring the power dynamic with the interviewer
GatheringInformation
TopMistakesWhenAskingforFeedback
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Limiting access to the findings
Exposing the identity of participants
Sharing info that could harm a source
Retaining employee data indefinitely
Not tying next steps to yearly goals or OKRs
Sharing&Follow-Up
TopMistakesWhenAskingforFeedback
Agenda
WhyRetentionEffortsFail
HowTraumaLeadstoBiasedData
WhatEmployeesNeedtoFeelSafe
Real-WorldTactics
Employees need to know what they’re signing up for
before they agree to share feedback.
InformedConsent
ResearchEthics101
Readasampleformathearmeout.co/consent
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Why the research matters to the organization
Their rights as a participant
What will happen to the data they share
What to expect from the conversation
When they’ll hear back about the outcomes
Consentformsshouldoutline:
ConsentForm
Must-Haves
Should be clear where
and for how how long
data will be stored
ExplicitConsent
Should allow participants
to consent in full or in
part to the research
DataGovernance
The only thing worse than not gathering feedback is
doing so in a way that leads to harm. Confidentiality
and discretion are paramount. One slip and trust is
broken with employees, maybe forever.
Protecting them should come before anything else,
includingsolvingbusinessproblems.
First,donoharm
RulesforInterviewers
Employees rarely share all the same context as
leadership and HR. It’s easy to dismiss their concerns
in light of what they don’t or can’t know.
Getting defensive or telling people they shouldn’t be
upset is a losing strategy. Choosecuriosityfirst.
Listen, empathize, and ask follow-up questions.
Nooneiswrongabout
theirfeelings
RulesforInterviewers
Employees don’t always have the language to explain
how they’re feeling, or why. It’s on us to read between
the lines and gather context so we can articulatethe
thingstheycan’t when summarizing feedback.
When someone says “Actually, that day things worked
out well,” the next question should always be, “How do
things typically work out on most days?”
Subtextandcontext
matter
RulesforInterviewers
BenefitsofUsinganIndependentFacilitator
Trust
Employeeshaveplentyofreasonsto
worryaboutconfidentiality.Anoutside
firmcanguaranteetheemployerwon’t
beabletoseeanyrawfeedback.
Objectivity
Itcanbehardforin-houseinterviewers
tolistenobjectively.Afterall,they’re
hearingfeedbackaboutsomething
that’stheirresponsibility!
Speed
Gathering,organizing,andmaking
senseoffeedbacktakestime.Outside
firmscomeequippedwithspecialtools
andframeworkstostreamlinethe
process.
Hear Me Out is a culturestrategyservice for growing teams. We talk to
employees confidentially, then use the insights we uncover to make
work more rewarding for everyone. Clients hire us to design programs
that improve hiring,onboarding,andretention by drawing on a deep
and nuanced understanding of employees’ true needs.
AboutUs
Culturestrategyfor
growingteams
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Standardprocessanddocumentationforrolerequisition,
escalations,onsitelogistics,andfinaldecisions
Newtechhiringprocessexpandedtocorporaterecruiting
40%YoYincreaseinhires/recruiter/quarter
20-pointincreaseinGreenhousecandidateNPS
CaseStudy
Results
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In-depthinterviewswithhiringmanagers
Targetedsurveysofmanagersandinterviewers
FullreviewofGreenhousecandidatefeedback
Methodology
RefinePeloton’stechnicalrecruitingpracticesandimprove
relationshipswithhiringmanagers.
Challenge
“
Afterworkingwithotheroutsidevendors,Iwas
concernedthiskindofservicewouldjustleadto
alotof‘fluffytalk’…Butit’sreallypushedour
technicalrecruitingteamtodriveresults.
Will Blaze, Peloton’s former Director of Talent Acquisition
OurApproachtoCultureStrategy
EmployeeFeedback
Atypicalstudytakes3-6weeks,and
includesapotentialroadmap.
ProgramDesign
Atypicalprojecttakes1-3months,andmay
havemorethanonedeliverable.
Benhasworkedacrossdesign,product,andengineeringonagile
softwareteamsforovertwodecades.
HewasthefirstDirectorofMobileatVice,andthethirdiOS
engineerattheNewYorkTimes.
Ben’sbeenpublishedinFastCompany,theNewYorker,andthe
Atlantic.SincestartingHearMeOut,he’sbeeninterviewedby
TechCrunch,TheAtlantic,andMorningBrew,amongothers.
WhoYou’llWorkWith
BenJackson,Founder&Principle
“
Benhasusedhisdeepwelloffirsthandexperienceto
helpmeunderstandwhat’sbrokenwithworkandhow
wecanbegintoapplysomesustainablefixes.
CharlieWarzel, author of Out of Office and columnist at The Atlantic
FeaturedModerators
DustinLiu
Dustinisaresearcherandteachingfellow
attheHarvardUniversityGraduateSchool
ofEducation.Hisexperienceincludes
engagementsasaMalaysiaFulbright
Scholar,atMIT,andattheUN.
AnjaliMathai
Anjaliisacoachandorganizational
changeconsultant.Shebeganher
careerworkingwithdisadvantaged
adolescentsinresidentialandgroup
homesettings.
ElizabethMeltz
ElizabethisanexperiencedCOOand
hospitalityprofessional.Shehelped
scaleoperationsatworld-renowned
NewYorkrestaurantssuchasEataly,Dig
Inn,andTacombi.
Elizabeth is an experienced COO and hospitality
professional who helped scale world-renowned New
York restaurants such as Eataly, Dig Inn, and Tacombi.
ModeratorSpotlight:
ElizabethMeltz
VPofOperationsandSustainability@Tacombi
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The Stay Interview: A Trauma-Informed Approach