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Non-scientific rationality
in risk/crisis communication
Sae Ochi, MD, MPH, PhD
Lecturer, Jikei University School of Medicine
8July, 2020
Daiwa Foundation Webinar
Science Misconceptions and Myths: From
Fukushima to Covid
COI disclosure
This presentation is not related to any company with
a conflict of interest that should be disclosed.
2
Universal question among scientists
Why is it difficult to communicate some kinds of
science with people?
3
• Lay people do not understand science and logic
• People are too emotional to accept scientific facts
• People’s view are biased by interests and ideology
Using plain words and visualising
Sympathy and politeness
It’s no use talking with such people
These are how lay people are viewed by scientists
All-too-common answers
Isn’t there anything attributable to scientist?
Radiation risk in Fukushima
‘My neighbors were diagnosed as cancer after the accident.
I don’t understand why you say cancer is NOT increasing’4
+ 2mSv/year at maximum
It is unlikely that incremental radiation exposure increases
cancer risks among residents in Fukushima
Up to now, there is no silver bullet for CoVID-19.
Preventive medication may do more harm than good.
5
In CoVID-19 pandemic..
‘There are many reports about successful treatment.’
‘A famous person actually got preventive medication.’
Discrepancy in facts
6
But…
There is a gap between scientists & residents about
what is sound
what is correct
Preconception:
Sound statistics would reduce anxiety among the resident
Correct information would help people understand risks
‘Why are academic papers more reliable than a person’s
actual experience?’
• Scientists usually excludes ‘outlier’
• People rely much on personal experience
‘My neighbors are diagnosed as cancer’
• Mass media reports outlier
7
Gap in ‘sound’ facts
‘Dog Bites a Man’ is not news. ‘Man Bites a Dog’ is news.
Still, both are ‘sound information’
A case report is weighed less on than cohort studies
Eating wild meat in Fukushima
8
Radiation exposure levels we get by:
• Eating one portion of wild boar with 2000Bq/kg of
cesium
• An hour trip by plane
are almost the same.
How dare you encourage people to get cancer!
※ Food on market in Fukushima is not contaminated
There are risk trade-offs of preventive actions:
• Wearing masks all the time may increase risk of
heat attack
• Prohibiting play equipment may deteriorate
children’s development
9
Preventive actions against CoVID-19
How can you take responsibility if my child is infected!
Life and science are different
‘I understand statistics, but I cannot stop wishing
zero-risk for my child.’
10
Risk selection is not a question of mathematics
Preconception:
Risk comparison can help people understand risk
trade-offs and accept risks.
‘I eat products in Fukushima not because they are
safe, but because they are tasty.’
Gap in risk comparison
11
Lifestyle change
Economic burden
Mental stress
Radiation exposure
/infection
Fun Tasty
Parental
responsibility
Stigmatisation
Scientists show balance of risks as measurable
People put a lot more on the balance
Size of the risk are different from person to person
Risk of going outRisk of staying at home
Stay home
12
Some people pursuit fan at all costs
Little evidence exist about how to communicate
benefits in risk/crisis communication
Do you eat contaminated food?
Eating 1lb of mushroom contaminated with 100,000
Bq/kg of cesium is equivalent to about 0.9 mSv of
radiation exposure
Less than taking a CT scan
13
Eating while knowing the risk of radiation exposure
Avoid eating from fear of radiation
Both are reasonable choice.
But persuading or compelling others to eat is
against the rule.
But you may be glad if your children do not like
truffle or matsutake ($1000/kg)
※ Food on market in Fukushima is not contaminated
Do you wear a mask?
You can prevent droplet and contact infection
You may avoid a risk of infecting others
But
People with respiratory disease may stifle
There is a risk of heat attack in summer
14
Wearing a mask while knowing risk of heat attack
No mask while knowing risk of infecting others
Both are reasonable choice.
But persuading or compelling others to wear masks
might be against the rule.
(Unless a law is enacted)
💛
Is infection a unique risk?
15
f
Risk of harming others is everywhere
16
Lifestyle change
Economic burden
Mental stress
Fun Tasty
Radiation exposure
/infection
Parental
responsibility
Stigmatisation
16
Risk of going outRisk of staying at home
Role of experts
Not to make people achieve minimum risk, but to help
people choose risks based on their own sense of values
Stay home
Putting all possible risks/benefits on the same table
Showing both quantitative and qualitative aspects
17
Scientists are often the most divided
No data about special
distribution! They are eaten by deer!
No statistically discernable differences!
Murase K, et al. J Am Heart Assoc. 2019 Mar 19;8(6):e009486
Watanabe Y, et al. Scientific Reports 2015;5:13232
Tsuda T, et al. Epidemiology. 2016 May;27(3):316
‘How can we believe scientists when their
opinions are always the most divided? ‘
Communicate, communicate, communicate!
Search engines invariably return some ‘seemingly
correct’ answers, which are ear-pleasing
 People continue searching academic journals
until they reach an answer they prefer.
Polarisation may cause infodemic
18
Is global warming caused by human activity?
Is living in Fukushima dangerous?
Is CoVID-19 transmitted in the toilet?
Is keeping social distance effective enough to stop pandemic?
The more ambivalent or ambiguous the answer is,
the more likely people reach an unbalanced answer.
19
• It is not always lack of knowledge or emotional
reaction that cause science miscommunication.
• Risk balances viewed by scientists and residents
are different.
• Role of scientists is to put all possible risks and
benefits on both side of the balance
Summary
How can we put all options on the same table?
How can we encourage people to discuss rather
than to search ‘correct answers’ on the internet?
We may get a clue from crisis communication
How can we prevent infodemic while securing
freedom of the press?
Thank you for listening
20
My sincere condolences for the victims
of CoVID-19.

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Non-scientific rationality in risk/crisis communication after CBRNE disasters

  • 1. Non-scientific rationality in risk/crisis communication Sae Ochi, MD, MPH, PhD Lecturer, Jikei University School of Medicine 8July, 2020 Daiwa Foundation Webinar Science Misconceptions and Myths: From Fukushima to Covid COI disclosure This presentation is not related to any company with a conflict of interest that should be disclosed.
  • 2. 2 Universal question among scientists Why is it difficult to communicate some kinds of science with people?
  • 3. 3 • Lay people do not understand science and logic • People are too emotional to accept scientific facts • People’s view are biased by interests and ideology Using plain words and visualising Sympathy and politeness It’s no use talking with such people These are how lay people are viewed by scientists All-too-common answers Isn’t there anything attributable to scientist?
  • 4. Radiation risk in Fukushima ‘My neighbors were diagnosed as cancer after the accident. I don’t understand why you say cancer is NOT increasing’4 + 2mSv/year at maximum It is unlikely that incremental radiation exposure increases cancer risks among residents in Fukushima
  • 5. Up to now, there is no silver bullet for CoVID-19. Preventive medication may do more harm than good. 5 In CoVID-19 pandemic.. ‘There are many reports about successful treatment.’ ‘A famous person actually got preventive medication.’
  • 6. Discrepancy in facts 6 But… There is a gap between scientists & residents about what is sound what is correct Preconception: Sound statistics would reduce anxiety among the resident Correct information would help people understand risks ‘Why are academic papers more reliable than a person’s actual experience?’
  • 7. • Scientists usually excludes ‘outlier’ • People rely much on personal experience ‘My neighbors are diagnosed as cancer’ • Mass media reports outlier 7 Gap in ‘sound’ facts ‘Dog Bites a Man’ is not news. ‘Man Bites a Dog’ is news. Still, both are ‘sound information’ A case report is weighed less on than cohort studies
  • 8. Eating wild meat in Fukushima 8 Radiation exposure levels we get by: • Eating one portion of wild boar with 2000Bq/kg of cesium • An hour trip by plane are almost the same. How dare you encourage people to get cancer! ※ Food on market in Fukushima is not contaminated
  • 9. There are risk trade-offs of preventive actions: • Wearing masks all the time may increase risk of heat attack • Prohibiting play equipment may deteriorate children’s development 9 Preventive actions against CoVID-19 How can you take responsibility if my child is infected!
  • 10. Life and science are different ‘I understand statistics, but I cannot stop wishing zero-risk for my child.’ 10 Risk selection is not a question of mathematics Preconception: Risk comparison can help people understand risk trade-offs and accept risks. ‘I eat products in Fukushima not because they are safe, but because they are tasty.’
  • 11. Gap in risk comparison 11 Lifestyle change Economic burden Mental stress Radiation exposure /infection Fun Tasty Parental responsibility Stigmatisation Scientists show balance of risks as measurable People put a lot more on the balance Size of the risk are different from person to person Risk of going outRisk of staying at home Stay home
  • 12. 12 Some people pursuit fan at all costs Little evidence exist about how to communicate benefits in risk/crisis communication
  • 13. Do you eat contaminated food? Eating 1lb of mushroom contaminated with 100,000 Bq/kg of cesium is equivalent to about 0.9 mSv of radiation exposure Less than taking a CT scan 13 Eating while knowing the risk of radiation exposure Avoid eating from fear of radiation Both are reasonable choice. But persuading or compelling others to eat is against the rule. But you may be glad if your children do not like truffle or matsutake ($1000/kg) ※ Food on market in Fukushima is not contaminated
  • 14. Do you wear a mask? You can prevent droplet and contact infection You may avoid a risk of infecting others But People with respiratory disease may stifle There is a risk of heat attack in summer 14 Wearing a mask while knowing risk of heat attack No mask while knowing risk of infecting others Both are reasonable choice. But persuading or compelling others to wear masks might be against the rule. (Unless a law is enacted) 💛
  • 15. Is infection a unique risk? 15 f Risk of harming others is everywhere
  • 16. 16 Lifestyle change Economic burden Mental stress Fun Tasty Radiation exposure /infection Parental responsibility Stigmatisation 16 Risk of going outRisk of staying at home Role of experts Not to make people achieve minimum risk, but to help people choose risks based on their own sense of values Stay home Putting all possible risks/benefits on the same table Showing both quantitative and qualitative aspects
  • 17. 17 Scientists are often the most divided No data about special distribution! They are eaten by deer! No statistically discernable differences! Murase K, et al. J Am Heart Assoc. 2019 Mar 19;8(6):e009486 Watanabe Y, et al. Scientific Reports 2015;5:13232 Tsuda T, et al. Epidemiology. 2016 May;27(3):316 ‘How can we believe scientists when their opinions are always the most divided? ‘
  • 18. Communicate, communicate, communicate! Search engines invariably return some ‘seemingly correct’ answers, which are ear-pleasing  People continue searching academic journals until they reach an answer they prefer. Polarisation may cause infodemic 18 Is global warming caused by human activity? Is living in Fukushima dangerous? Is CoVID-19 transmitted in the toilet? Is keeping social distance effective enough to stop pandemic? The more ambivalent or ambiguous the answer is, the more likely people reach an unbalanced answer.
  • 19. 19 • It is not always lack of knowledge or emotional reaction that cause science miscommunication. • Risk balances viewed by scientists and residents are different. • Role of scientists is to put all possible risks and benefits on both side of the balance Summary How can we put all options on the same table? How can we encourage people to discuss rather than to search ‘correct answers’ on the internet? We may get a clue from crisis communication How can we prevent infodemic while securing freedom of the press?
  • 20. Thank you for listening 20 My sincere condolences for the victims of CoVID-19.

Editor's Notes

  1. Scientists often attribute failure in communication to lay people’s emotion and lack of knowledge..
  2. Sense of discomfort
  3. A case report is weighed less on than cohort studies ‘My neighbors are diagnosed as cancer’ ‘A girl in Fukushima was diagnosed as thyroid cancer’
  4. People pursuit tasty food at all costs.
  5. We a not police nor lawyer.
  6. I don’t discuss whether this is true or false