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  1. 1. ENGLISH  4   LISTENING   COUNTRIES,  NATIONALITIES  AND  LANGUAGES/MOCK  EXAM   TONY  GATLIF   CHAIN  REACTION  FEAR  OVER  ROMA  EXPULSIONS     FROM  :  EURONEWS,  14.10.2010     Tony   Gatlif   (real   name   Michel   Dahmani   born   September   10,   1948,   Algiers,   Algeria)   is   a   French   film   director   who   also   works   as   a   scriptwriter,  actor,  and  producer.   After   a   childhood   in   Algiers,   Gatlif   arrived   in   France   in   1960   following   the   Algerian   War   of   Independence.   Gatlif   struggled   for   years   to   break   into   the   film   industry,   playing   in   several   theatrical   productions   until   directing   his   first   film,   La   Tête   en   ruine,   in   1975.  He  followed  it  with  the  1979  La  Terre  au  ventre,  a  story  of  the   Algerian  War  of  Independence.       1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   10   11   12   13   14   15   16   17   18   19   20   21   22   23   24   25   26   27   28   29   30   31   32   33   34   35   36   37   38   39   40       Tony   Gatlif   is   a   man   with   a   mission.   For   35   years,   Gatlif   who (1)   is   half   Kabil   (Algerian),   half   Gypsy,   has   produced  (2  produce)   and   directed  (3  direct)   films   about   the   Roma   people   in   Europe  (4),   a   people   who(5)   he   says   are   often   misunderstood   (6   often   misunderstand)   and   discriminated   (7   discriminate)  against.   His   latest   film,   “Liberté”,   released   (8   release)     this   year,   is   about   the   estimated   30,000   French   Roma   or   Gypsies  who  (9)  were  detained  (10  detain)    and  deported  (11  deport)  during  (12)  World  War  II.   Although   Gatlif   is   angry   about   President   Sarkozy’s   expulsions   and   the   dismantling   of   illegal   Roma   camps,   he   insists  that  what   is  happening  (13  happen)  today  can  in  no  way  be  compared  to  the  deportations  of  the   Second  World  War.   But   he   warns   (14   warn)   it   is   an   uncomfortable   reminder   of   what   happens   when   a   whole   race   of   people   are   targeted  (15  target).   Valerie  Zabriskie  of  euronews  caught  up  with  the  film  director  in  Lyon.   “Tony  Gatlif,  you  are  firmly  against  the  dismantling  of  Roma  camps,   although  (16)  opinion  polls  suggest  60   percent   of   French   people   support  (17  support)   this   ‘dismantling’   policy.   Does  that  surprise  you  (18   that/surprise/you)?”   Tony  Gatlif:     “There’s   nothing   I   can   do   about   that.   The   only   thing   I   can   do,   is   to   explain   to   all   those   who   (19)   don’t   understand   (20   not   understand)   this   problem   about   the   travelling   people   –   that’s   the   administrative   term.  They  are  the  Roma  people,  Gypsies  who   have  been  (21  be)  in  France  for  (22)    a  very,  very  long  time,   since  (23)  King  Francois  the  first,  these  Gypsies,  who  are  in  the  South  of  France  (24)  and  Spain  (25).  That’s   it.  And  these  people  who  (26)  have  been  (27  be)  here  in  Europe  (28)  since  (29)  the  Middle  Ages,  they   have  contributed  to  Europe,  to   its  (30  don’t  use  ‘the’)   culture,  to  all   that  (31)  is   European(32).    And   now  today,  we   want  them  to  become  (33  want/they/become)  invisible.  We   don’t  want  them  to   exist   (34   want   not/they   exist).   But   how   can   a   people   of   10   million   just   stop   existing   all   of   a   sudden?   Because  European(35)  heads  of  state  decided  to  pass  laws  against  them  so  they  can’t  move  (travel)  anymore.   This   means   (36   mean).that   when   you   don’t   want   a   people   to   move(37   want   not/a   people/move),  you  confine  them.  This  is  what  they  did  (38  do)  during  (39)  the  war.”     euronews:   “But   now   that   Romania   and   Bulgaria   are   part   of   the   European   Union,   you   can’t   do   this   anymore.   They   have   the   right  to  travel  to  other  European  countries  but  if  after  three  months,  they  don’t  have  work  or  are  said  to  be  a   social  burden,  they  can  be  expelled.”   Tony  Gatlif:     “This   law   was   created   for   them   but   it’s   not   for   everyone.   Next   to   where   I   live   in   Paris,   there’s   a   German   homeless   person.   He’s   been   there   for   three   years.   Has   anyone   told   him   he   has   to   return   to   Germany?   He’s   homeless,  he’s  German,  he  told  me.  So  these  laws  are  designed  for  certain  people,  for  the  ‘second  class’  citizens   and  then  there  are  laws  for  the  ‘real’  citizens.  That’s  it.  And  so  I  believe  these  laws  were  created  solely  for  the   1  
  2. 2. ENGLISH  4   41   42   43   44   45   46   47   48   49   50   51   52   53   54   55   56   57   58   59   60   61   62   63   64   65   66   67   68   69   70   71   72   73   74   75   76   77   78   79   80   81   82   83   84   85   86   87   88   89     LISTENING   COUNTRIES,  NATIONALITIES  AND  LANGUAGES/MOCK  EXAM   Gypsies  to  say,  “look  out,  if  we  open  Europe’s  borders  we’ll  have  all  the  Gypsies  who  will  want  to  leave.”  They   know   that’s   what   the   Gypsies   always   do.   So   they   say   we’ll   make   these   laws   to   block   them   and   send   them   home   after  three  months.”   euronews:   “But   don’t   you   think   with   what   happened   last   month   at   the   EU   summit,   with   President   Sarkozy   and   the   European  Commissioner,  shows  the  European  Commission  is  starting  to  pay  attention  to  what  we  call  the  Roma   problem  in  Europe?”   Tony  Gatlif:     “They  are  shocked,  I  think,  these  countries  are  shocked  because  Spain  doesn’t  do  this,  there  are  EU  countries   which  don’t  do  this.  Greece  doesn’t  either.  Greece  likes  its  Gypsies.  So  France,  all  of  a  sudden,  with  these  laws   they   introduced,   wants   to   uproot   these   people,   these   Roma   who   have   been   here   for   I   don’t   know   how   long,   maybe   three   or   four   years.   And   they   round   them   up   and   expel   them   from   their   shacks,   from   their   cardboard   houses,  in  the  woods,  under  the  bridges,  by  the  motorways.  And  they  move  them  out  in  numbers,  en  masse.   And  this  reminds  us  of  a  trauma.  There  are  children  who  are  half-­‐naked,  in  their  mothers’  arms.  There  is  panic   everywhere.  They  don’t  have  time  to  take  their  belongings.  It’s  panic.  Of  course  it  isn’t  as  bad  as  the  round-­‐ups,   the  (World  War  II  deportations  of  1940  but  it’s  still,  let’s  say,  the  thin  end  of  the  wedge.”     euronews:   “People   complain   about   seeing   the   Roma,   the   Gypsies   with   their   big   caravans,   their   beautiful   cars   and   at   the   same  time  they  portray  themselves  as  victims,  the  women  begging  on  the  streets  with  their  babies…”   Tony  Gatlif:     “Here  at  the  train  station  in  Lyon  when  I  arrived,  there  was  a  woman  who  stopped  me  at  the  station.  She  had   blue  eyes,  didn’t  look  at  all  like  a  foreigner.  She  was  French  and  she  asked  me  for  money  for  her  children.  She   put  her  misery  right  in  front  of  me  because  she  was  poor  and  miserable  and  I  didn’t  cover  my  eyes.  But  that  the   Gypsies   beg,   that   bothers   everyone.   Why   does   that   bother   everyone?   Because   it   reminds   them   of   their   own   insecurity?   Maybe   they   feel   they’re   being   harassed?   But   I   feel   harassed   as   well   by   the   homeless.   But   it’s   normal   that  I’m  harassed.  That  would  be  the  last  straw,  that  they  just  die  in  front  of  us  without  asking  for  anything.  But   this  is  what  the  new  world  is  like  today.  The  modern  world.”     euronews:   “But   with   all   the   media   coverage   of   the   expulsions   this   summer,   maybe   you   are,   perhaps   not   optimistic,   but   don’t   you   hope   there   is   now   more   pressure   on   Europe’s   heads   of   state   to   address   this   problem   which   is   European?”   Tony  Gatlif:     “I’m  not  scared  of  the  European  heads  of  state.  I’m  not  scared  of  those  who  govern  Europe.  I  am  scared  of  the   European   people.   Once   a   government   like   France   –   which   is   a   country   all   of   Europe   looked   up   to   during   the   communist  era  because  it  was  the  country  of  human  rights  –  once  France,  the  country  of  human  rights,  starts   pointing   its   finger   at   a   people   who   are   fragile,   I’m   worried   this   will   trigger   a   chain   reaction.   I’m   worried   that   people  in  other  countries  will  say  we  can  do  the  same  thing  because  these  Roma  aren’t  good.  That’s  what  the   French  government  said,  the  French  president  said,  well,  he  didn’t  say  they  weren’t  good,  but  he  said  they  were   problematic.  So  from  that  point  of  view,  in  countries  such  as  Romania,  or  Bulgaria  or  Hungary  and  elsewhere,   they  can  also  say,  ‘Yes  we  have  a  problem  with  these  people  (the  Roma).’”     euronews:   “There   is   a   summit   this   month   in   Bucharest   on   the   integration   of   the   Roma   people   in   Europe.   What   are   you   expecting  will  come  out  of  this  type  of  summit?  What  are  you  hoping  for?”   Tony  Gatlif:     “That  they  just  leave  these  people  alone.  These  Roma  didn’t  ask  for  anything.  They’ve  never  made  wars,  never   armed   themselves,   never   used   bombs.   These   people   just   want   to   live.   So   let’s   just   let   them   live   and   find   the   means  to  help  them  do  that,  like  everyone  else  in  Europe.  And  that  we  stop  sticking  labels  on  their  backs,  or   creating  laws  that  go  against  the  way  they  live.”   SCRIPT  :  http://www.euronews.net/2010/10/14/tony-­‐gatlif-­‐chain-­‐reaction-­‐fear-­‐over-­‐roma-­‐expulsions   PHOTO  AND  TEXT  IN  BOX  :  http://www.last.fm/music/Tony+Gatlif       2