SlideShare a Scribd company logo
1 of 9
CUSTOMER SUCCESS
AND SALES …
Stephanie Bell, Brian Harp
April 28, 2016
Agenda forTonight
• Some basic definitions
• Describe our relationship with Sales
• Discuss Challenges and solutions
Definitions
• HighTouch
• LowTouch
• CS reporting
VP of Sales or CRO
VP of Services or
CCO
CEO
Organizational Structures
Each org has its own goals…
• Sales: New BusinessARR
• Marketing: MQLs
• Customer Success:Gross Renewal Rate and
UpsellARR
• Support:Ticket ResolutionTime
• Services/Onboarding: Project Completion
Time, Services Gross Margin
CS org…
• Ensures SupportTeams are not just driving time to
resolution, but also driving toward the right resolution
from the customer’s perspective
• Gives feedback to the SalesTeam
• Works with the Services/OnboardingTeam to help
overcome any negative sentiment during onboarding
and ensure value is delivered
Describe your relationship with Sales
• One word
• Who owns renewals?
• Who owns upsells?
• Whose responsibility is it to map out and communicate the customer’s org structure
and build broader relationships?
• Does Customer Success need anything from Sales after the deal is closed?
• Does Customer Success have any input into the Sales process?
• Are there circumstances where Customer Success brings Sales back into an existing
customer?
DISCUSSIONTIME
APPENDIX
Organizational Model #1: Carve Out
Silos
• This solution argues that if Customer Success is to be a peer to Sales and other departments, it has to be fully accountable for its own metric – i.e. take
full credit and blame for it, even if the team’s influence is limited.
• In this world, every department is accountable for one to two key metrics. For example:
• Sales: New Business ARR
• Marketing: MQLs
• Customer Success: Gross Renewal Rate and Upsell ARR
• Support:Ticket ResolutionTime
• Services/Onboarding: Project CompletionTime, Services Gross Margin
• This is what most SaaS businesses look like today. In this model, every department head fights for resources to achieve his/her metric.At Gainsight, we
call this model the “Team of Rivals.”
• The benefit? Every metric is well-represented in a cross-functional debate.
• The downside?There are often significant negative externalities from each department’s actions. For example:
• Support strives for faster resolution time to the detriment of the customer experience, hurting the gross renewal rate that the CSM team is responsible
for.
• Customer Success strives to improve the renewal rate, but doesn’t make the effort to convert happy customers into advocates, which is a missed
opportunity to drive the MarketingTeam’s MQL generation.
Organizational Model #2: Make Customer
Success the Glue
• At Gainsight, we know Solution #1 isn’t the best way to run a company.That’s why we’ve written so much about the role of the CSM in serving as the
quarterback - on behalf of your customers - to hold other departments accountable for their role in customer success.
• This model takes for granted that other departments – Sales, Marketing, etc. – are largely focused on their own one-to-two metrics and operating in
their own silos.TheCSM’s role is to prevent the resultant inefficiencies from affecting the customer experience.
• In this model, the CSM…
• Ensures that SupportTeams are not just driving time to resolution, but also driving toward the right resolution from the customer’s perspective.
• Gives feedback to the SalesTeam when they sell to customers that aren’t ready for the product (see our Readiness Risk).
• Works with the Services/OnboardingTeam to help overcome any negative sentiment during onboarding and ensure value is delivered (see
ourImplementation and Sentiment Risks).
• Etc.
• The detriments of this model are as follows:
• Your CSMs have to be strong – they’ll be expensive.
• Your head of CS also has to be strong.
• Ideally, non-CSM teams keep customer happiness in mind even when theCSM team isn’t monitoring them.When CSM has to monitor, opportunities to
drive customer happiness are inevitably missed.
• Pattern recognition will invariably slip through the cracks.Your CSMs might succeed in tactically resolving cross-functional issues that arise, but they
won’t be in a good position to identify patterns that require functional expertise. For example, they may not recognize that a product enhancement

More Related Content

Featured

Product Design Trends in 2024 | Teenage Engineerings
Product Design Trends in 2024 | Teenage EngineeringsProduct Design Trends in 2024 | Teenage Engineerings
Product Design Trends in 2024 | Teenage EngineeringsPixeldarts
 
How Race, Age and Gender Shape Attitudes Towards Mental Health
How Race, Age and Gender Shape Attitudes Towards Mental HealthHow Race, Age and Gender Shape Attitudes Towards Mental Health
How Race, Age and Gender Shape Attitudes Towards Mental HealthThinkNow
 
AI Trends in Creative Operations 2024 by Artwork Flow.pdf
AI Trends in Creative Operations 2024 by Artwork Flow.pdfAI Trends in Creative Operations 2024 by Artwork Flow.pdf
AI Trends in Creative Operations 2024 by Artwork Flow.pdfmarketingartwork
 
PEPSICO Presentation to CAGNY Conference Feb 2024
PEPSICO Presentation to CAGNY Conference Feb 2024PEPSICO Presentation to CAGNY Conference Feb 2024
PEPSICO Presentation to CAGNY Conference Feb 2024Neil Kimberley
 
Content Methodology: A Best Practices Report (Webinar)
Content Methodology: A Best Practices Report (Webinar)Content Methodology: A Best Practices Report (Webinar)
Content Methodology: A Best Practices Report (Webinar)contently
 
How to Prepare For a Successful Job Search for 2024
How to Prepare For a Successful Job Search for 2024How to Prepare For a Successful Job Search for 2024
How to Prepare For a Successful Job Search for 2024Albert Qian
 
Social Media Marketing Trends 2024 // The Global Indie Insights
Social Media Marketing Trends 2024 // The Global Indie InsightsSocial Media Marketing Trends 2024 // The Global Indie Insights
Social Media Marketing Trends 2024 // The Global Indie InsightsKurio // The Social Media Age(ncy)
 
Trends In Paid Search: Navigating The Digital Landscape In 2024
Trends In Paid Search: Navigating The Digital Landscape In 2024Trends In Paid Search: Navigating The Digital Landscape In 2024
Trends In Paid Search: Navigating The Digital Landscape In 2024Search Engine Journal
 
5 Public speaking tips from TED - Visualized summary
5 Public speaking tips from TED - Visualized summary5 Public speaking tips from TED - Visualized summary
5 Public speaking tips from TED - Visualized summarySpeakerHub
 
ChatGPT and the Future of Work - Clark Boyd
ChatGPT and the Future of Work - Clark Boyd ChatGPT and the Future of Work - Clark Boyd
ChatGPT and the Future of Work - Clark Boyd Clark Boyd
 
Getting into the tech field. what next
Getting into the tech field. what next Getting into the tech field. what next
Getting into the tech field. what next Tessa Mero
 
Google's Just Not That Into You: Understanding Core Updates & Search Intent
Google's Just Not That Into You: Understanding Core Updates & Search IntentGoogle's Just Not That Into You: Understanding Core Updates & Search Intent
Google's Just Not That Into You: Understanding Core Updates & Search IntentLily Ray
 
Time Management & Productivity - Best Practices
Time Management & Productivity -  Best PracticesTime Management & Productivity -  Best Practices
Time Management & Productivity - Best PracticesVit Horky
 
The six step guide to practical project management
The six step guide to practical project managementThe six step guide to practical project management
The six step guide to practical project managementMindGenius
 
Beginners Guide to TikTok for Search - Rachel Pearson - We are Tilt __ Bright...
Beginners Guide to TikTok for Search - Rachel Pearson - We are Tilt __ Bright...Beginners Guide to TikTok for Search - Rachel Pearson - We are Tilt __ Bright...
Beginners Guide to TikTok for Search - Rachel Pearson - We are Tilt __ Bright...RachelPearson36
 
Unlocking the Power of ChatGPT and AI in Testing - A Real-World Look, present...
Unlocking the Power of ChatGPT and AI in Testing - A Real-World Look, present...Unlocking the Power of ChatGPT and AI in Testing - A Real-World Look, present...
Unlocking the Power of ChatGPT and AI in Testing - A Real-World Look, present...Applitools
 
12 Ways to Increase Your Influence at Work
12 Ways to Increase Your Influence at Work12 Ways to Increase Your Influence at Work
12 Ways to Increase Your Influence at WorkGetSmarter
 

Featured (20)

Product Design Trends in 2024 | Teenage Engineerings
Product Design Trends in 2024 | Teenage EngineeringsProduct Design Trends in 2024 | Teenage Engineerings
Product Design Trends in 2024 | Teenage Engineerings
 
How Race, Age and Gender Shape Attitudes Towards Mental Health
How Race, Age and Gender Shape Attitudes Towards Mental HealthHow Race, Age and Gender Shape Attitudes Towards Mental Health
How Race, Age and Gender Shape Attitudes Towards Mental Health
 
AI Trends in Creative Operations 2024 by Artwork Flow.pdf
AI Trends in Creative Operations 2024 by Artwork Flow.pdfAI Trends in Creative Operations 2024 by Artwork Flow.pdf
AI Trends in Creative Operations 2024 by Artwork Flow.pdf
 
Skeleton Culture Code
Skeleton Culture CodeSkeleton Culture Code
Skeleton Culture Code
 
PEPSICO Presentation to CAGNY Conference Feb 2024
PEPSICO Presentation to CAGNY Conference Feb 2024PEPSICO Presentation to CAGNY Conference Feb 2024
PEPSICO Presentation to CAGNY Conference Feb 2024
 
Content Methodology: A Best Practices Report (Webinar)
Content Methodology: A Best Practices Report (Webinar)Content Methodology: A Best Practices Report (Webinar)
Content Methodology: A Best Practices Report (Webinar)
 
How to Prepare For a Successful Job Search for 2024
How to Prepare For a Successful Job Search for 2024How to Prepare For a Successful Job Search for 2024
How to Prepare For a Successful Job Search for 2024
 
Social Media Marketing Trends 2024 // The Global Indie Insights
Social Media Marketing Trends 2024 // The Global Indie InsightsSocial Media Marketing Trends 2024 // The Global Indie Insights
Social Media Marketing Trends 2024 // The Global Indie Insights
 
Trends In Paid Search: Navigating The Digital Landscape In 2024
Trends In Paid Search: Navigating The Digital Landscape In 2024Trends In Paid Search: Navigating The Digital Landscape In 2024
Trends In Paid Search: Navigating The Digital Landscape In 2024
 
5 Public speaking tips from TED - Visualized summary
5 Public speaking tips from TED - Visualized summary5 Public speaking tips from TED - Visualized summary
5 Public speaking tips from TED - Visualized summary
 
ChatGPT and the Future of Work - Clark Boyd
ChatGPT and the Future of Work - Clark Boyd ChatGPT and the Future of Work - Clark Boyd
ChatGPT and the Future of Work - Clark Boyd
 
Getting into the tech field. what next
Getting into the tech field. what next Getting into the tech field. what next
Getting into the tech field. what next
 
Google's Just Not That Into You: Understanding Core Updates & Search Intent
Google's Just Not That Into You: Understanding Core Updates & Search IntentGoogle's Just Not That Into You: Understanding Core Updates & Search Intent
Google's Just Not That Into You: Understanding Core Updates & Search Intent
 
How to have difficult conversations
How to have difficult conversations How to have difficult conversations
How to have difficult conversations
 
Introduction to Data Science
Introduction to Data ScienceIntroduction to Data Science
Introduction to Data Science
 
Time Management & Productivity - Best Practices
Time Management & Productivity -  Best PracticesTime Management & Productivity -  Best Practices
Time Management & Productivity - Best Practices
 
The six step guide to practical project management
The six step guide to practical project managementThe six step guide to practical project management
The six step guide to practical project management
 
Beginners Guide to TikTok for Search - Rachel Pearson - We are Tilt __ Bright...
Beginners Guide to TikTok for Search - Rachel Pearson - We are Tilt __ Bright...Beginners Guide to TikTok for Search - Rachel Pearson - We are Tilt __ Bright...
Beginners Guide to TikTok for Search - Rachel Pearson - We are Tilt __ Bright...
 
Unlocking the Power of ChatGPT and AI in Testing - A Real-World Look, present...
Unlocking the Power of ChatGPT and AI in Testing - A Real-World Look, present...Unlocking the Power of ChatGPT and AI in Testing - A Real-World Look, present...
Unlocking the Power of ChatGPT and AI in Testing - A Real-World Look, present...
 
12 Ways to Increase Your Influence at Work
12 Ways to Increase Your Influence at Work12 Ways to Increase Your Influence at Work
12 Ways to Increase Your Influence at Work
 

Customer Success and sales - Pulse NYC 2016-04-27

  • 1. CUSTOMER SUCCESS AND SALES … Stephanie Bell, Brian Harp April 28, 2016
  • 2. Agenda forTonight • Some basic definitions • Describe our relationship with Sales • Discuss Challenges and solutions
  • 3. Definitions • HighTouch • LowTouch • CS reporting VP of Sales or CRO VP of Services or CCO CEO
  • 4. Organizational Structures Each org has its own goals… • Sales: New BusinessARR • Marketing: MQLs • Customer Success:Gross Renewal Rate and UpsellARR • Support:Ticket ResolutionTime • Services/Onboarding: Project Completion Time, Services Gross Margin CS org… • Ensures SupportTeams are not just driving time to resolution, but also driving toward the right resolution from the customer’s perspective • Gives feedback to the SalesTeam • Works with the Services/OnboardingTeam to help overcome any negative sentiment during onboarding and ensure value is delivered
  • 5. Describe your relationship with Sales • One word • Who owns renewals? • Who owns upsells? • Whose responsibility is it to map out and communicate the customer’s org structure and build broader relationships? • Does Customer Success need anything from Sales after the deal is closed? • Does Customer Success have any input into the Sales process? • Are there circumstances where Customer Success brings Sales back into an existing customer?
  • 8. Organizational Model #1: Carve Out Silos • This solution argues that if Customer Success is to be a peer to Sales and other departments, it has to be fully accountable for its own metric – i.e. take full credit and blame for it, even if the team’s influence is limited. • In this world, every department is accountable for one to two key metrics. For example: • Sales: New Business ARR • Marketing: MQLs • Customer Success: Gross Renewal Rate and Upsell ARR • Support:Ticket ResolutionTime • Services/Onboarding: Project CompletionTime, Services Gross Margin • This is what most SaaS businesses look like today. In this model, every department head fights for resources to achieve his/her metric.At Gainsight, we call this model the “Team of Rivals.” • The benefit? Every metric is well-represented in a cross-functional debate. • The downside?There are often significant negative externalities from each department’s actions. For example: • Support strives for faster resolution time to the detriment of the customer experience, hurting the gross renewal rate that the CSM team is responsible for. • Customer Success strives to improve the renewal rate, but doesn’t make the effort to convert happy customers into advocates, which is a missed opportunity to drive the MarketingTeam’s MQL generation.
  • 9. Organizational Model #2: Make Customer Success the Glue • At Gainsight, we know Solution #1 isn’t the best way to run a company.That’s why we’ve written so much about the role of the CSM in serving as the quarterback - on behalf of your customers - to hold other departments accountable for their role in customer success. • This model takes for granted that other departments – Sales, Marketing, etc. – are largely focused on their own one-to-two metrics and operating in their own silos.TheCSM’s role is to prevent the resultant inefficiencies from affecting the customer experience. • In this model, the CSM… • Ensures that SupportTeams are not just driving time to resolution, but also driving toward the right resolution from the customer’s perspective. • Gives feedback to the SalesTeam when they sell to customers that aren’t ready for the product (see our Readiness Risk). • Works with the Services/OnboardingTeam to help overcome any negative sentiment during onboarding and ensure value is delivered (see ourImplementation and Sentiment Risks). • Etc. • The detriments of this model are as follows: • Your CSMs have to be strong – they’ll be expensive. • Your head of CS also has to be strong. • Ideally, non-CSM teams keep customer happiness in mind even when theCSM team isn’t monitoring them.When CSM has to monitor, opportunities to drive customer happiness are inevitably missed. • Pattern recognition will invariably slip through the cracks.Your CSMs might succeed in tactically resolving cross-functional issues that arise, but they won’t be in a good position to identify patterns that require functional expertise. For example, they may not recognize that a product enhancement