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Vienna Value Investing
Meetup #4 – For Newbies 
PRESENTED BY MARTIN BODOCKY
SUPPORTED BY
Why this meetup?
CREATE VALUE INVESTING HUB IN VIENNA
SHARE IDEAS AND EXPERIENCE AMONG MEMBERS
DOING INVESTMENT RESEARCH TOGETHER
THIS IS AN OPEN DISCUSSION MEETUP, PLEASE ASK
WHENEVER YOU LIKE
Who am I?
MARTIN BODOCKY
CEO OF MINT IT
AI AND FINTECH GEEK
Disclaimer
WE ARE NOT INVESTMENT ADVISORS.
WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING TO BUY OR SELL.
WE ARE NOT TAX ADVISORS.
ANY DECISION YOU CONCLUDED FROM THIS SESSION
IS YOURS NOT OURS, YOU ARE IN CONTROL.
Agenda
1. HOW CAN YOU START EQUITY INVESTING
2. CHOOSING BROKERAGE ACCOUNT
3. TAX IMPLICATIONS
4. WHERE TO FIND FINANCIAL INFORMATION
5. WHAT IS BUY AND EXIT STRATEGY
Why should we invest?
How should we invest?
How to start investing
1. OPEN BROKERAGE ACCOUNT
2. FIND THE RIGHT INVESTMENT
3. BUY
4. KEEP USUALLY FOR MONTHS/YEARS
5. SELL, TAKE PROFIT
6. REPEAT FROM STEP 2.
How and why company becomes public
• INITIAL PUBLIC OFFERING (IPO) IS A FIRST SALE OF
STOCK BY A PRIVATE COMPANY TO THE PUBLIC
• RAISING A NEW FUNDS FOR A COMPANY
• ALLOW LIQUIDITY FOR CURRENT SHAREHOLDERS
• SELLING TO PRIMARY MARKET TO INSTITUTIONAL
INVESTORS
• THEN RE-SELLING TO SECONDARY MARKET TO
RETAIL INVESTORS
Is it wise to buy at IPO?
What is brokerage?
• REGULATED MIDDLEMAN BETWEEN INVESTOR AND
PUBLIC STOCK MARKET
• MAIN DUTY IS FACILITATE TRANSACTION
• THEY HOLD INVESTOR’S MONEY IN BROKERAGE
ACCOUNT
• THEY CAN ALSO OFFER RECOMMENDATIONS, NEWS
FEED, WEEKLY TIPS AND ANY MORE …
How is it done?
Execute
order at
stock
market
Brokerage
connect to
stock
exchange
You make
order in
brokerage
account
Each public company can be available on one or more stock
exchanges like London Stock Exchange, NASDAQ or Vienna
Stock Exchange.
Brokerage fee
• BROKERAGE FEES CAN BE A PERCENTAGE OF THE
TRANSACTION, A FLAT FEE OR COMBINATION OF
BOTH
• THERE IS ALSO CONNECTION FEES PAID TO STOCK
EXCHANGE
• THERE ALSO CAN BE A FEE PAID TO PURCHASE OF
SPECIFIC INVESTMENT PRODUCT LIKE ETF
Brokerage fee example
𝐹𝑙𝑎𝑡 𝑓𝑒𝑒 + 𝑖𝑛𝑣𝑒𝑠𝑡𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 ∗ 𝑡𝑟𝑎𝑛𝑠𝑎𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑓𝑒𝑒
+ 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑛𝑒𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑓𝑒𝑒 + 𝐼𝑛𝑣𝑒𝑠𝑡𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑇𝑦𝑝𝑒 𝑓𝑒𝑒
• BUY ‘IBM’ AT NEW YORK STOCK EXCHANGE FOR $ 1000
$ 2.00 + $1000 ∗ $0.04 + $2.50 + $0.00
• BUY ‘S&P500’ ETF AT NEW YORK STOCK EXCHANGE FOR $
1000
$ 2.00 + $1000 ∗ $0.04 + $2.50 + $4.00
How to choose brokerage
• FREQUENCY OF YOUR TRADING
• YOUR TRADING EXPERIENCE
• YOUR EXPECTATIONS ABOUT ADDITIONAL SERVICES
LIKE RECOMMENDATIONS, TIPS, OR TAX ADVICE
• HTTP://BROKERCHOOSER.COM/
• (DISCLAIMER: I KNOW PEOPLE BEHIND THIS
SERVICE)
Brokerage business
“THEY ARE ALL NICE PEOPLE BUT
THEY ARE PAID BY YOUR ACTIVITY
NOT BY YOUR SUCCESS, YOU
SHOULD NEVER BLINDLY FOLLOW
THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS!”
What price I pay
• BID IS PRICE YOU BUY
FOR
• ASK IS PRICE TO BE
SOLD FOR
• SPREAD IS THEIR
DIFFERENCE
Stock trading taxes
• YES WE HAVE TO PAY TAXES ON YOUR RETURNS
• THERE ARE MANY TAX IMPLICATION TIED TO
DIFFERENT INVESTMENT VEHICLE
• YOU ARE NOT PAYING TAXES WHEN YOUR
INVESTMENT GAINING VALUE, ONLY WHEN YOU
SELL IT
• ATTACHED DELOITTE AUSTRIA TAX GUIDE
Value of patience
Common scenarios
• SELLING YOUR INVESTMENT IN LOSS
YOU CAN LOWER YOUR PERSONAL TAX
• SELLING YOUR INVESTMENT IN PROFIT
IT’S CLASSIFIED AS CAPITAL TAX AT 27.5 %
• GETTING DIVIDENDS OR BOND PAYMENTS
IT’S CLASSIFIED AS DIVIDEND TAX AT 27.5 %
My tax tips
1. WHEN YOU HAVE A LOSING INVESTMENT BY END
OF FINANCIAL YEAR SELL IT AND BUY IT BACK =>
“TAX HARVESTING”
2. WHEN YOU WANT TO SELL INVESTMENT FOR
PROFIT DO IT IN FIRST PART OF YOUR FINANCIAL
YEAR, YOU HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOME
LOSSES TO REMOVE THEIR TAX BURDEN
Financial data about public company
• BALANCE SHEET
• INCOME STATEMENT
• CASHFLOW STATEMENT
• GOOGLE AS EXAMPLE
Balance sheet
• STATEMENT OF NET WORTH OF BUSINESS OF TIME OF
PUBLISHING
• CONTAINS THREE ELEMENTS
• ASSETS ARE WHAT COMPANY HOLDS, LIABILITIES WHAT
IT NEEDS TO PAY AND EQUITY WHAT VALUE IT CREATES
Assets Liabilities Equity
Income statement
• STATEMENT OF NET WORTH OF BUSINESS OF TIME OF
PUBLISHING, IT CAN HAVE QUARTERLY OR ANNUALY
FASHION
• PROVIDES REVENUES – HOW MUCH WAS SOLD
• GROSS PROFIT
• OPERATING EXPENSES
• NET INCOME
Cash flow statement
• THE CASH FLOW STATEMENT IS DISTINCT FROM THE
INCOME STATEMENT AND BALANCE SHEET BECAUSE IT
DOES NOT INCLUDE THE AMOUNT OF FUTURE
INCOMING AND OUTGOING CASH THAT HAS BEEN
RECORDED ON CREDIT.
• THEREFORE, CASH IS NOT THE SAME AS NET INCOME,
WHICH ON THE INCOME STATEMENT AND BALANCE
SHEET, INCLUDES CASH SALES AND SALES MADE ON
CREDIT.
My ratios #1
• PRICE TO EARNINGS RATIO - REPRESENTS HOW
MUCH INVESTORS ARE WILLING TO SHELL OUT FOR
EACH DOLLAR OF A COMPANY'S EARNINGS. IT
SHOULD NOT BE COMPARED ACROSS DIFFERENT
INDUSTRIES.
• PRICE TO BOOK RATIO
•
𝑀𝑎𝑟𝑘𝑒𝑡 𝐶𝑎𝑝
𝑇𝑜𝑡𝑎𝑙 𝐴𝑠𝑠𝑒𝑡𝑠 −𝐼𝑛𝑡𝑎𝑔𝑖𝑏𝑙𝑒𝑠 −𝐺𝑜𝑜𝑑𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙
My ratios #2
• DEBT-EQUITY RATIO – MEASURE COMPANY
FINANCIAL LEVERAGE
𝑇𝑜𝑡𝑎𝑙 𝐿𝑖𝑎𝑏𝑖𝑙𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑒𝑠
𝑆ℎ𝑎𝑟𝑒ℎ𝑜𝑙𝑑𝑒𝑟′ 𝑠 𝐸𝑞𝑢𝑖𝑡𝑦
• FREE CASH FLOW - TELLS AN INVESTOR HOW MUCH
ACTUAL CASH A COMPANY IS LEFT WITH AFTER
ANY CAPITAL INVESTMENTS.
𝑂𝑝𝑒𝑟𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝐼𝑛𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑒 − 𝐶𝑎𝑝𝑖𝑡𝑎𝑙 𝐸𝑥𝑝𝑒𝑛𝑑𝑖𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒 𝐶𝐴𝑃𝐸𝑋
Intrinsic value
Buy strategy
• CREATE INVESTMENT CASE
• WHAT HYPOTHESIS YOU ARE BETTING ON?
• WHEN PRICE WILL BE LOWER AS YOUR FAIR PRICE
MINUS MARGIN OF SAFETY
• INVESTMENT CHECKLIST
Investment Checklist
• CIRCLE OF COMPETENCE – INDUSTRY, SECTOR
EXPERIENCE
• RISK AVERSION – VOLATILITY OF SECURITY
• DIVERSIFICATION – BETA, INDUSTRY, SIZE
• GOAL APPROACH(TIME LIMITED INVESTMENTS)
Exit strategy
• THE STOCK PRICE IS HIGHER THAN YOUR FAIR PRICE
• YOUR ASSUMPTION/HYPOTHESIS DISAPPEARS
Any questions?
Next sessions
• INVESTMENT DEBATE – SECOND PART OF JUNE
• ANY IDEA ? - PLEASE PARTICIPATE

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Vienna value investing meetup #4

  • 1. Vienna Value Investing Meetup #4 – For Newbies  PRESENTED BY MARTIN BODOCKY SUPPORTED BY
  • 2. Why this meetup? CREATE VALUE INVESTING HUB IN VIENNA SHARE IDEAS AND EXPERIENCE AMONG MEMBERS DOING INVESTMENT RESEARCH TOGETHER THIS IS AN OPEN DISCUSSION MEETUP, PLEASE ASK WHENEVER YOU LIKE
  • 3. Who am I? MARTIN BODOCKY CEO OF MINT IT AI AND FINTECH GEEK
  • 4. Disclaimer WE ARE NOT INVESTMENT ADVISORS. WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING TO BUY OR SELL. WE ARE NOT TAX ADVISORS. ANY DECISION YOU CONCLUDED FROM THIS SESSION IS YOURS NOT OURS, YOU ARE IN CONTROL.
  • 5. Agenda 1. HOW CAN YOU START EQUITY INVESTING 2. CHOOSING BROKERAGE ACCOUNT 3. TAX IMPLICATIONS 4. WHERE TO FIND FINANCIAL INFORMATION 5. WHAT IS BUY AND EXIT STRATEGY
  • 6. Why should we invest?
  • 7. How should we invest?
  • 8. How to start investing 1. OPEN BROKERAGE ACCOUNT 2. FIND THE RIGHT INVESTMENT 3. BUY 4. KEEP USUALLY FOR MONTHS/YEARS 5. SELL, TAKE PROFIT 6. REPEAT FROM STEP 2.
  • 9. How and why company becomes public • INITIAL PUBLIC OFFERING (IPO) IS A FIRST SALE OF STOCK BY A PRIVATE COMPANY TO THE PUBLIC • RAISING A NEW FUNDS FOR A COMPANY • ALLOW LIQUIDITY FOR CURRENT SHAREHOLDERS • SELLING TO PRIMARY MARKET TO INSTITUTIONAL INVESTORS • THEN RE-SELLING TO SECONDARY MARKET TO RETAIL INVESTORS
  • 10. Is it wise to buy at IPO?
  • 11. What is brokerage? • REGULATED MIDDLEMAN BETWEEN INVESTOR AND PUBLIC STOCK MARKET • MAIN DUTY IS FACILITATE TRANSACTION • THEY HOLD INVESTOR’S MONEY IN BROKERAGE ACCOUNT • THEY CAN ALSO OFFER RECOMMENDATIONS, NEWS FEED, WEEKLY TIPS AND ANY MORE …
  • 12. How is it done? Execute order at stock market Brokerage connect to stock exchange You make order in brokerage account Each public company can be available on one or more stock exchanges like London Stock Exchange, NASDAQ or Vienna Stock Exchange.
  • 13. Brokerage fee • BROKERAGE FEES CAN BE A PERCENTAGE OF THE TRANSACTION, A FLAT FEE OR COMBINATION OF BOTH • THERE IS ALSO CONNECTION FEES PAID TO STOCK EXCHANGE • THERE ALSO CAN BE A FEE PAID TO PURCHASE OF SPECIFIC INVESTMENT PRODUCT LIKE ETF
  • 14. Brokerage fee example 𝐹𝑙𝑎𝑡 𝑓𝑒𝑒 + 𝑖𝑛𝑣𝑒𝑠𝑡𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 ∗ 𝑡𝑟𝑎𝑛𝑠𝑎𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑓𝑒𝑒 + 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑛𝑒𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑓𝑒𝑒 + 𝐼𝑛𝑣𝑒𝑠𝑡𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑇𝑦𝑝𝑒 𝑓𝑒𝑒 • BUY ‘IBM’ AT NEW YORK STOCK EXCHANGE FOR $ 1000 $ 2.00 + $1000 ∗ $0.04 + $2.50 + $0.00 • BUY ‘S&P500’ ETF AT NEW YORK STOCK EXCHANGE FOR $ 1000 $ 2.00 + $1000 ∗ $0.04 + $2.50 + $4.00
  • 15. How to choose brokerage • FREQUENCY OF YOUR TRADING • YOUR TRADING EXPERIENCE • YOUR EXPECTATIONS ABOUT ADDITIONAL SERVICES LIKE RECOMMENDATIONS, TIPS, OR TAX ADVICE • HTTP://BROKERCHOOSER.COM/ • (DISCLAIMER: I KNOW PEOPLE BEHIND THIS SERVICE)
  • 16. Brokerage business “THEY ARE ALL NICE PEOPLE BUT THEY ARE PAID BY YOUR ACTIVITY NOT BY YOUR SUCCESS, YOU SHOULD NEVER BLINDLY FOLLOW THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS!”
  • 17.
  • 18. What price I pay • BID IS PRICE YOU BUY FOR • ASK IS PRICE TO BE SOLD FOR • SPREAD IS THEIR DIFFERENCE
  • 19. Stock trading taxes • YES WE HAVE TO PAY TAXES ON YOUR RETURNS • THERE ARE MANY TAX IMPLICATION TIED TO DIFFERENT INVESTMENT VEHICLE • YOU ARE NOT PAYING TAXES WHEN YOUR INVESTMENT GAINING VALUE, ONLY WHEN YOU SELL IT • ATTACHED DELOITTE AUSTRIA TAX GUIDE
  • 21. Common scenarios • SELLING YOUR INVESTMENT IN LOSS YOU CAN LOWER YOUR PERSONAL TAX • SELLING YOUR INVESTMENT IN PROFIT IT’S CLASSIFIED AS CAPITAL TAX AT 27.5 % • GETTING DIVIDENDS OR BOND PAYMENTS IT’S CLASSIFIED AS DIVIDEND TAX AT 27.5 %
  • 22. My tax tips 1. WHEN YOU HAVE A LOSING INVESTMENT BY END OF FINANCIAL YEAR SELL IT AND BUY IT BACK => “TAX HARVESTING” 2. WHEN YOU WANT TO SELL INVESTMENT FOR PROFIT DO IT IN FIRST PART OF YOUR FINANCIAL YEAR, YOU HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOME LOSSES TO REMOVE THEIR TAX BURDEN
  • 23.
  • 24. Financial data about public company • BALANCE SHEET • INCOME STATEMENT • CASHFLOW STATEMENT • GOOGLE AS EXAMPLE
  • 25. Balance sheet • STATEMENT OF NET WORTH OF BUSINESS OF TIME OF PUBLISHING • CONTAINS THREE ELEMENTS • ASSETS ARE WHAT COMPANY HOLDS, LIABILITIES WHAT IT NEEDS TO PAY AND EQUITY WHAT VALUE IT CREATES Assets Liabilities Equity
  • 26. Income statement • STATEMENT OF NET WORTH OF BUSINESS OF TIME OF PUBLISHING, IT CAN HAVE QUARTERLY OR ANNUALY FASHION • PROVIDES REVENUES – HOW MUCH WAS SOLD • GROSS PROFIT • OPERATING EXPENSES • NET INCOME
  • 27. Cash flow statement • THE CASH FLOW STATEMENT IS DISTINCT FROM THE INCOME STATEMENT AND BALANCE SHEET BECAUSE IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE AMOUNT OF FUTURE INCOMING AND OUTGOING CASH THAT HAS BEEN RECORDED ON CREDIT. • THEREFORE, CASH IS NOT THE SAME AS NET INCOME, WHICH ON THE INCOME STATEMENT AND BALANCE SHEET, INCLUDES CASH SALES AND SALES MADE ON CREDIT.
  • 28. My ratios #1 • PRICE TO EARNINGS RATIO - REPRESENTS HOW MUCH INVESTORS ARE WILLING TO SHELL OUT FOR EACH DOLLAR OF A COMPANY'S EARNINGS. IT SHOULD NOT BE COMPARED ACROSS DIFFERENT INDUSTRIES. • PRICE TO BOOK RATIO • 𝑀𝑎𝑟𝑘𝑒𝑡 𝐶𝑎𝑝 𝑇𝑜𝑡𝑎𝑙 𝐴𝑠𝑠𝑒𝑡𝑠 −𝐼𝑛𝑡𝑎𝑔𝑖𝑏𝑙𝑒𝑠 −𝐺𝑜𝑜𝑑𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙
  • 29. My ratios #2 • DEBT-EQUITY RATIO – MEASURE COMPANY FINANCIAL LEVERAGE 𝑇𝑜𝑡𝑎𝑙 𝐿𝑖𝑎𝑏𝑖𝑙𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑒𝑠 𝑆ℎ𝑎𝑟𝑒ℎ𝑜𝑙𝑑𝑒𝑟′ 𝑠 𝐸𝑞𝑢𝑖𝑡𝑦 • FREE CASH FLOW - TELLS AN INVESTOR HOW MUCH ACTUAL CASH A COMPANY IS LEFT WITH AFTER ANY CAPITAL INVESTMENTS. 𝑂𝑝𝑒𝑟𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝐼𝑛𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑒 − 𝐶𝑎𝑝𝑖𝑡𝑎𝑙 𝐸𝑥𝑝𝑒𝑛𝑑𝑖𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒 𝐶𝐴𝑃𝐸𝑋
  • 31. Buy strategy • CREATE INVESTMENT CASE • WHAT HYPOTHESIS YOU ARE BETTING ON? • WHEN PRICE WILL BE LOWER AS YOUR FAIR PRICE MINUS MARGIN OF SAFETY • INVESTMENT CHECKLIST
  • 32. Investment Checklist • CIRCLE OF COMPETENCE – INDUSTRY, SECTOR EXPERIENCE • RISK AVERSION – VOLATILITY OF SECURITY • DIVERSIFICATION – BETA, INDUSTRY, SIZE • GOAL APPROACH(TIME LIMITED INVESTMENTS)
  • 33. Exit strategy • THE STOCK PRICE IS HIGHER THAN YOUR FAIR PRICE • YOUR ASSUMPTION/HYPOTHESIS DISAPPEARS
  • 35. Next sessions • INVESTMENT DEBATE – SECOND PART OF JUNE • ANY IDEA ? - PLEASE PARTICIPATE

Editor's Notes

  1. http://www.investopedia.com/articles/trading/121701.asp
  2. https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/global/Documents/Tax/dttl-tax-austriaguide-2017.pdf
  3. http://www.investopedia.com/walkthrough/corporate-finance/2/financial-statements/income-statement.aspx
  4. http://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/price-earningsratio.asp http://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/price-to-bookratio.asp
  5. http://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/debtequityratio.asp http://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/freecashflow.asp