Former Haverhill Town Manager Brigitte Codling Affidavit

In the Matter Of:
Town of Haverhill vs Donahue Tucker & Ciandella
215-2023-CV-00241
BRIGITTE CODLING
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· · · · · · · STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE
GRAFTON, SS.· · · · · · · · · · ·SUPERIOR COURT
TOWN OF HAVERHILL· · · )
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· ·VS.· · · · · · · · ·)· · · · ·DOCKET NO.:
· · · · · · · · · · · ·)· · · · ·215-2023-CV-00241
DONAHUE, TUCKER &· · · )
CIANDELLA, PLLC· · · · )
· · · · · DEPOSITION OF BRIGITTE CODLING
· ·Deposition taken at the Robert E. Clifford
· ·Memorial Building, 65 South Court Street,
· ·Woodsville, New Hampshire, on Monday, May 20,
· ·2024, commencing at 9:10 a.m.
· ·Court Reporter:
· ·Dawn L. Griffin-Smith, LCR
· ·New Hampshire LCR #108 (RSA 310-A:161-181)
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·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·APPEARANCES
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·3· ·Representing the Plaintiff:
·4· · · · · · DEREK E. KLINE
· · · · · · · P.O. Box 1577
·5· · · · · · Center Harbor, NH· 03226
· · · · · · · By:· Derek E. Kline, Esq.
·6· · · · · · · · ·(603) 707-1721
· · · · · · · · · ·derekekline@gmail.com
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·9· ·Representing the Defendants:
10· · · · · · GORDON REES SCULLY MANSUKHANI
· · · · · · · 66 Hanover Street
11· · · · · · Manchester, NH· 03101
· · · · · · · By:· James L. Soucy, Esq.
12· · · · · · · · ·(603) 782-0408
· · · · · · · · · ·jsoucy@grsm.com
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15· ·Representing the Deponent:
16· · · · · · LEHMANN MAJOR LIST
· · · · · · · 6 Garvins Falls Road
17· · · · · · Concord, NH· 03301
· · · · · · · By:· Richard J. Lehmann, Esq.
18· · · · · · · · ·(603)731-5435
· · · · · · · · · ·rick@nhlawyer.com
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20· ·Also Present: Roderick O'Shana
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·1· · · · · · · · · · · · STIPULATIONS
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·3· · · · ·It is agreed that the deposition shall be taken
·4· ·in the first instance in stenotype and when transcribed
·5· ·may be used for all purposes for which depositions are
·6· ·competent under New Hampshire practice.
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·8· · · · ·Notice, filing, caption and all other formalities
·9· ·are waived.· All objections except as to form are
10· ·reserved and may be taken in court at time of trial.
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13· ·not signed within 30 days, the signature of the
14· ·deponent is waived.
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·1· · · · · · · · · · · · · I N D E X
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·4· · · ·WITNESS:
·5· · · · ·BRIGITTE CODLING
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·7· · · ·EXAMINATION:· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · Page
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·9· · · · ·By Mr. Soucy· ·. . . . . . . . . . .· · · 6
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12· · · ·EXHIBITS FOR IDENTIFICATION:
13· · · · ·CODLING· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · Page
14· ·Exhibit 1· · ·Town of Haverhill Nonpublic
· · · · · · · · · ·Meeting Minutes 3/6/20
15· · · · · · · · ·(Knapp Exhibit 6)· · · · · · · · ·60
16· ·Exhibit 2· · ·Town of Haverhill Meeting
· · · · · · · · · ·Minutes 1/9/22· · · · · · · · · · 68
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· · ·Exhibit 3· · ·5/15/24 Email
18· · · · · · · · ·(Knapp Exhibit 21)· · · · · · · · 75
19· ·Exhibit 4· · ·1/13/23 Email· · · · · · · · · · 122
20· ·Exhibit 5· · ·7/12/23 Email· · · · · · · · · · 130
21· ·Exhibit 6· · ·1/27/22 Email· · · · · · · · · · 146
22· ·Exhibit 7· · ·1/31/22 Email· · · · · · · · · · 153
23· ·Exhibit 8· · ·2/2/22 Email· · · · · · · · · · ·155
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·1· · · ·EXHIBITS FOR IDENTIFICATION CONT.:
·2· · · · ·CODLING· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · Page
·3· ·Exhibit 9· · ·1/6/23 Email
· · · · · · · · · ·(Knapp Exhibit 2)· · · · · · · · 165
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· · ·Exhibit 10· · Text Messages· · · · · · · · · · 172
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· · ·Exhibit 11· · Text Messages cont.· · · · · · · 174
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·9· · ·returned to Attorney Soucy.· Scanned copies provided
· · · ·to all counsel.)
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·1· · · · · · · · · · P R O C E E D I N G S
·2· · · · · · · · · · · BRIGITTE CODLING,
·3· · · · having been duly sworn by the Court Reporter,
·4· · · · · · was deposed and testified as follows:
·5· · · · · · · · · · · · *************
·6· · · · · · · · · · · · ·EXAMINATION
·7· ·BY MR. SOUCY:
·8· ·Q.· Okay.· So now that we are on the record, everything
·9· · · ·that we are, each of us are saying is being typed
10· · · ·out in shorthand verbatim, so I will have you state
11· · · ·for the record and spell your last name, your full
12· · · ·name, please.
13· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Jim?
14· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Yeah?
15· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Stipulations?
16· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· We can have the usual stips.
17· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· All objections are preserved.
18· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Yup.
19· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Except as to form?
20· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Form.· Yup.· All set?
21· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Yes.
22· ·BY MR. SOUCY:
23· ·Q.· Yes, so could you please state your full name,
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·1· · · ·spell your last name?
·2· ·A.· Brigitte Codling.· Last name, C-O-D-L-I-N-G.
·3· ·Q.· Ms. Codling, have you ever had your deposition
·4· · · ·taken before?
·5· ·A.· No.
·6· ·Q.· Okay.· So given the fact this is a first-time event
·7· · · ·for you, I'll just go over sort of the ground
·8· · · ·rules.· I'm going to presume that your attorney has
·9· · · ·gone over some or all of them, but just so that we
10· · · ·cover them here in the moment.
11· · · · · · · · ·As I stated, everything that all of us
12· · · ·say is going to be recorded in shorthand initially
13· · · ·by the stenographer here.· And I'm going to be
14· · · ·asking you questions.· You can give your full
15· · · ·answer to them.
16· · · · · · · · ·While I'm asking the question, so that we
17· · · ·don't get the stenographer's fingers all tied in
18· · · ·knots, we'll try not to talk over each other.· Even
19· · · ·though you may be able to anticipate or expect
20· · · ·where the question is going like we do in normal
21· · · ·conversations, because this is being transcribed I
22· · · ·will ask you to try to keep that in mind.
23· · · · · · · · ·And, again, even though you may
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·1· · · ·anticipate where the question is going and what I'm
·2· · · ·getting at, please try to wait for the question in
·3· · · ·consideration for the stenographer.· And then once
·4· · · ·I'm done, you can give your full answer, okay?
·5· ·A.· Yup.· Yes.
·6· ·Q.· Okay.· The second thing is because this is not
·7· · · ·being video-recorded but only verbatim transcribed,
·8· · · ·I'll ask you that when you're giving your answers,
·9· · · ·first and foremost you provide a verbal response to
10· · · ·your question, and it's in conversation
11· · · ·affirmation, shaking your head, nodding your head,
12· · · ·those sorts of things we tend to do out of habit,
13· · · ·and so with respect to your responses please give
14· · · ·them in an audible manner.
15· · · · · · · · ·And then in addition, I don't see that
16· · · ·there will be, but in the event that there is a
17· · · ·question, for instance, where I ask you, Where did
18· · · ·you walk?· And you say, Well, over there.· Well,
19· · · ·everybody in the room can see you point to the
20· · · ·right or to the left.· In the printed format that
21· · · ·doesn't come out so well.· So when you do give an
22· · · ·answer that provides some sort of direction, I will
23· · · ·ask you to try to remember -- we'll probably remind
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·1· · · ·you -- but try to remember to say to the right or
·2· · · ·to the left or something that when you're reading
·3· · · ·the transcript of what you've stated, it'll be
·4· · · ·clear to anybody who reads it; is that clear?
·5· ·A.· Yes.
·6· ·Q.· Okay.· Probably most important is when I ask you a
·7· · · ·question, if there is a question or something that
·8· · · ·I have said or stated is not clear to you, please
·9· · · ·don't presume that you're the only one in the room
10· · · ·who doesn't understand what the heck the attorney
11· · · ·is saying -- attorneys ask poor questions -- I
12· · · ·won't say all the time, but it's not uncommon for
13· · · ·an attorney to ask a poorly worded question
14· · · ·thinking that we asked it superbly.
15· · · · · · · · ·So if you don't understand a question,
16· · · ·please let me know.· I will either restate it or
17· · · ·phrase it in a different way so that you do
18· · · ·understand, okay?
19· ·A.· Yes.
20· ·Q.· Okay.· In connection with that, after I ask you a
21· · · ·question and you begin to and fully give your
22· · · ·answer, we're going to be allowed to presume that
23· · · ·you're giving your answer to the question that's
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·1· · · ·asked because you've understood it, okay?
·2· ·A.· Uh-huh.· Yes.
·3· ·Q.· If at any point in time, not knowing how long we
·4· · · ·are going to be, but if at any point in time you
·5· · · ·need to take a break, just the only thing that I'm
·6· · · ·going to ask is that when there's a question that's
·7· · · ·been posed, that you provide your answer to it so
·8· · · ·we have a clean end point or stopping point on the
·9· · · ·record, okay?
10· ·A.· Yes.
11· ·Q.· Okay.· Currently what is your employment?· What do
12· · · ·you do?
13· ·A.· I work for the Town of Haverhill, New Hampshire, as
14· · · ·the town administrator.
15· ·Q.· And how long have you been in that particular
16· · · ·position?
17· ·A.· Since April 8th of this year.
18· ·Q.· 2014; correct?· Sorry, '24.
19· ·A.· '24.· With change of government my title changed on
20· · · ·that date.
21· ·Q.· And prior to April, sorry April 8th of 2024, how
22· · · ·were you employed?
23· ·A.· I was the town manager for the Town of Haverhill,
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·1· · · ·New Hampshire, since April 23rd of 2019.
·2· ·Q.· And prior to April 3rd of 2019, what did you do for
·3· · · ·work?
·4· ·A.· I worked for the Vermont Agency of Transportation
·5· · · ·for nearly 20 years.
·6· ·Q.· What was your most recent position or job title
·7· · · ·with them?
·8· ·A.· Contract manager for the CMS software replacement
·9· · · ·project.
10· ·Q.· About how long were you in that role or position?
11· ·A.· About a year.
12· ·Q.· Okay.· Total about 20 years you said?
13· ·A.· 20 years with the Vermont Agency of Transportation.
14· ·Q.· Right.· And could you please provide us with a
15· · · ·summary of what you have for formal education going
16· · · ·back in time or reverse chronology?
17· ·A.· I have a bachelor's degree from the Vermont College
18· · · ·of Norwich University in architectural studies; and
19· · · ·I have a master's degree from the Western Governors
20· · · ·University in management and leadership.
21· ·Q.· When did you receive or obtain that master's
22· · · ·degree?
23· ·A.· January of 2020, around there.
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·1· ·Q.· Are you certain of the year?
·2· ·A.· It might have been December of the previous year.
·3· · · ·It was in the, over the winter, around Christmas,
·4· · · ·that I finally finished that degree.
·5· ·Q.· So you finished the coursework, then, in, towards
·6· · · ·the end of 2019?
·7· ·A.· I believe so.
·8· ·Q.· And then were awarded or conferred a degree
·9· · · ·sometime in the summer of 2020?
10· ·A.· I think it was in January, but I could be
11· · · ·misremembering that.· It was around that time
12· · · ·frame.· They mailed our diploma.
13· ·Q.· Okay.· And since completing that formal education
14· · · ·and course, have you taken any additional or any
15· · · ·other courses of any kind?
16· ·A.· I have a number of courses I have taken throughout
17· · · ·my career.
18· ·Q.· But since January of 2020?
19· ·A.· I am, I just received my certification as a
20· · · ·government finance officer.
21· ·Q.· And where did you take those courses through?
22· ·A.· Through the governors, sorry, the Government
23· · · ·Finance Officer's Association in the State of New
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·1· · · ·Hampshire.
·2· ·Q.· Again, anything since January of 2020 as far as
·3· · · ·formal courses or education?
·4· ·A.· None that I can think of right now.· We take
·5· · · ·courses all of time, but nothing, it's just
·6· · · ·continuing education-type training.
·7· ·Q.· Okay.· What was the last continuing education
·8· · · ·training that you recall taking?
·9· ·A.· It would have been that government finance.
10· ·Q.· Okay.· And how regular, and so, so do you have any
11· · · ·licensing or certifications, outside of this
12· · · ·certified government finance officer do you have
13· · · ·any other licenses or certifications that you do
14· · · ·any kind of continuing education courses or take
15· · · ·credits for?
16· ·A.· None that I take continuing education credits for.
17· ·Q.· Okay.· You are not an attorney licensed to practice
18· · · ·in any state; correct?
19· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Objection.· Form.
20· ·Q.· You can answer.
21· ·A.· No, I'm not an attorney.
22· ·Q.· Okay.· And you don't consider yourself an expert in
23· · · ·the analysis of legal conflicts or those sorts of
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·1· · · ·things, do you?
·2· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Objection.· Form.
·3· ·Q.· You can answer.
·4· ·A.· I don't think I'm an expert in legal, no.
·5· ·Q.· And you don't consider yourself an expert in
·6· · · ·connection with retention of attorneys or law firms
·7· · · ·in New Hampshire; correct?
10· ·A.· I wouldn't consider myself an expert.
11· ·Q.· Okay.· Now, in the testimony that you're giving
12· · · ·here today, in what capacity are you providing
13· · · ·answers to these questions?
16· ·A.· Can you rephrase what you ...
17· ·Q.· Yes.· I tried to ask the question sort of as a
18· · · ·reporter at, you know, an investigation or scene,
19· · · ·sort of who, what, when, where, how.· Are you
20· · · ·giving testimony based upon you as an individual
21· · · ·person being a resident of wherever it is that you
22· · · ·live; or are you giving testimony in your capacity
23· · · ·within the government or administration of the Town
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·1· · · ·of Haverhill, New Hampshire?
·2· ·A.· I believe I'm here giving testimony related to my
·3· · · ·position.
·4· ·Q.· Okay.· And as a fact witness, meaning about events
·5· · · ·that you have direct experience from or of;
·6· · · ·correct?
·7· ·A.· Exactly, yes.
·8· ·Q.· Okay.· How many districts are there in the Town of
·9· · · ·Haverhill?
10· ·A.· There are four formal special-purpose districts.
11· ·Q.· And what are their names?
12· ·A.· There's Haverhill Corner, North Haverhill, Mountain
13· · · ·Lake, and the Village of Woodsville.
14· ·Q.· In addition to the special districts are there any
15· · · ·other distinctions or layers within the government
16· · · ·and the administration of the Town of Haverhill,
17· · · ·New Hampshire?
18· ·A.· Not layers of government, no.
19· ·Q.· Okay.· Are there anything that is distinct in
20· · · ·addition to these special districts,
21· · · ·special-purpose districts that is within the Town
22· · · ·of or about the Town of Haverhill?
23· ·A.· We have some common-name areas of town, such as
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·1· · · ·Central Haverhill, Pike, and East Haverhill.· Those
·2· · · ·are not formal districts, but they are areas of
·3· · · ·town with common names.
·4· ·Q.· How many police departments are there within the
·5· · · ·Town of Haverhill?
·6· ·A.· One.
·7· ·Q.· Fire departments?
·8· ·A.· Two.
·9· ·Q.· Water and/or sewer departments?
10· ·A.· The four special-purpose districts offer water.· So
11· · · ·each of those special-purpose districts, one of
12· · · ·their special purposes is to provide water service
13· · · ·to their residents.
14· ·Q.· Self-contained unto themselves?
15· ·A.· Some of them are.· Some of them transcend over
16· · · ·their district boundaries with their service.
17· ·Q.· And what about any municipal services or service
18· · · ·areas with respect to sewer?
21· ·A.· The Village of Woodsville offers sewer service as
22· · · ·well as sewer treatment; and the Town of Haverhill
23· · · ·has an out-of-district sewer system in North that
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·1· · · ·services North Haverhill and areas of North
·2· · · ·Haverhill.
·3· ·Q.· And when there was a town manager form of
·4· · · ·government for the Town of Haverhill, can you
·5· · · ·explain who the town manager worked for?
·6· ·A.· Town manager works for the select board.
·7· ·Q.· And the select board works for and/or oversees the
·8· · · ·governance of the entire town of Haverhill?
11· ·A.· The select board is a governing body.
12· ·Q.· Okay.· For the entire town?
13· ·A.· For the entire town.
14· ·Q.· And that includes the four special-purpose
15· · · ·districts?
16· ·A.· Yes.
17· ·Q.· While you were town manager what familiarity did
18· · · ·you have with your roles and your responsibilities
19· · · ·in that position?
20· ·A.· I think I had a very good understanding of my roles
21· · · ·and responsibilities as town manager.
22· ·Q.· Okay.· And what is there, going back now because
23· · · ·it's a prior form of governance, but what was there
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·1· · · ·with respect to statutes that you were familiar
·2· · · ·with that provided guidance and authority with
·3· · · ·respect to the role of town manager in Haverhill,
·4· · · ·New Hampshire?
·5· ·A.· RSA 37 specifically.
·6· ·Q.· And RSA Chapter 37 prescribes in a general manner
·7· · · ·that the town manager is responsible to or
·8· · · ·answerable to which part of the government in the
12· ·A.· The town manager is under the general supervision
13· · · ·of the select board.
14· ·Q.· Okay.· Generally what activities were you able to
15· · · ·do in your role while you served as town manager
16· · · ·for the Town of Haverhill?
17· ·A.· With, under a town manager form of government most
18· · · ·of the responsibilities of the day-to-day
19· · · ·operations:· Hiring, firing, setting wages, signing
20· · · ·contracts, executing contracts, was under the
21· · · ·purview of the town manager, among other things.
22· ·Q.· Fair to say generally employment and human resource
23· · · ·activities?
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·3· ·A.· Those were included, yes.
·4· ·Q.· Okay.· The hiring, the firing and setting, I don't
·5· · · ·want to say pay scales, but maybe hourly rates and
·6· · · ·those sort of things, those are something that are
·7· · · ·typically referred to as HR or employment-related
·8· · · ·kind of things; correct?
11· ·A.· Yeah, HR and the management of people for the Town
12· · · ·of Haverhill was one of my responsibilities.
13· ·Q.· Okay.· Is it fair to say that you were, carried out
14· · · ·day-to-day activities, but the board of selectmen
15· · · ·reviewed what the town manager had done as far as
16· · · ·actions and decisions?
19· ·A.· The board would not review --
20· ·Q.· Okay.
21· ·A.· -- my work.· I would report to them activities
22· · · ·within the town, the town, within my role as town
23· · · ·manager.· So every other week I would report to
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·1· · · ·them things that had happened.
·2· ·Q.· Okay.· So that was on a periodic or regular basis
·3· · · ·as far as updates that you'd give the board of
·4· · · ·selectmen?
·5· ·A.· Yes.
·6· ·Q.· When and where would those updates occur that you
·7· · · ·would provide to the board of selectmen as town
·8· · · ·manager?
·9· ·A.· For most of my tenure as town manager I would offer
10· · · ·a biweekly town manager report, which I would give
11· · · ·at select board meetings.
12· ·Q.· At public meetings?
13· ·A.· Public meetings.
14· ·Q.· Generally what involvement as town manager did you
15· · · ·have in connection with contracts in which Town of
16· · · ·Haverhill would engage in for supplies for vendors,
17· · · ·for contractors, to do work, you know, on town
18· · · ·property, on town buildings, that sort of thing.
19· · · ·Very general question but can you give us a summary
20· · · ·to start?
21· ·A.· So it was my responsibility to determine when it
22· · · ·was needed for us to go out to bid RFPR 2 or seek a
23· · · ·new vendor or something along those lines.· So it
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·1· · · ·was my responsibility to go out and do that kind of
·2· · · ·recruitment, do the bidding process, go through the
·3· · · ·bidding process, selection process, the contracting
·4· · · ·association and the execution of the contract.
·5· ·Q.· Who else or what other departments or roles would
·6· · · ·you typically engage or, sort of, bring into the
·7· · · ·process as far as your role as town manager and
·8· · · ·taking care of whatever buildings or vendors or
·9· · · ·materials needed to be supplied to the town?
10· ·A.· I worked directly with my department head.
11· ·Q.· Okay.· So the Town didn't expect you to be, I don't
12· · · ·want to say an expert, but knowledgeable in every
13· · · ·single thing that you did; correct?
16· ·A.· So I don't think I was expected to be an expert in
17· · · ·every little thing that the Town did, but it was, I
18· · · ·believe, expected that I would hire individuals who
19· · · ·had expertise in various areas like maintenance,
20· · · ·highways and human resources, those sorts of
21· · · ·things.· So if I didn't know it, I was seeking
22· · · ·people who could assist in that role.
23· ·Q.· Okay.· And but -- thank you.· But in my, I think I
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·1· · · ·was looking for and asking, the question was who
·2· · · ·else within either the governance of the town or
·3· · · ·the administration of the town would you reach out
·4· · · ·to, slang way of saying it, but also use as a
·5· · · ·resource if a roof needed to be put on, a furnace
·6· · · ·needed to be replaced.· Would those things, types
·7· · · ·of things, be what you would also be involved in as
·8· · · ·the town manager?
·9· ·A.· Those are thing I would definitely be involved in.
10· ·Q.· Okay.
11· ·A.· So, like I said, I would work with my department
12· · · ·heads.· For example, we have a head of maintenance,
13· · · ·so if there was a roof that needed to be replaced,
14· · · ·then I would be working with him, and together we
15· · · ·would be working towards building that project and
16· · · ·getting it out to bid and going through the
17· · · ·selection process and the contracting process
18· · · ·through execution of getting a new roof put on.
19· · · · · · · · ·I would also coordinate with the select
20· · · ·board with regards to funding on an annual basis of
21· · · ·projects coming, because it's the board that
22· · · ·approves the final budget that goes to town
23· · · ·meeting.
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·1· ·Q.· Okay.
·2· ·A.· And so we would present our projects to the select
·3· · · ·board during budget workshop, and whatever made it
·4· · · ·into the budget got, and through the budget process
·5· · · ·of town meetings were projects we were able to
·6· · · ·execute the next year.
·7· ·Q.· And then on the, or during work being done by any
·8· · · ·company or contractor outside of the administration
·9· · · ·or governance of Haverhill, who would that, who
10· · · ·would be involved in seeing that work was actually
11· · · ·carried out and the products were actually provided
12· · · ·and delivered to the town, who was responsible for
13· · · ·that?· Was that the town manager's role as well?
14· ·A.· It was the town manager through the department
15· · · ·heads.
16· ·Q.· Generally would you be directly involved in that or
17· · · ·was that something that as town manager you were
18· · · ·able to rely on the department heads for the most
19· · · ·part?
22· ·A.· Can you rephrase what ...
23· ·Q.· Yeah, so I'm thinking of a vendor supplying
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·1· · · ·products or materials or supplies over the course
·2· · · ·of the year and deliveries, picking them three or
·3· · · ·four times a year, or work being performed, you
·4· · · ·know, on a municipal building or something like
·5· · · ·that.· In a general sense those types of
·6· · · ·activities, did the Town expect or anticipate that
·7· · · ·the town manager would be, to use the phrase,
·8· · · ·"hands on" directly reviewing the work and the
·9· · · ·materials being delivered?· Or in general would you
10· · · ·be able to rely on the department heads for that?
13· ·A.· In a lot of cases I would rely on my department
14· · · ·heads to make sure that what was ordered was
15· · · ·delivered.· However, through the checks and
16· · · ·balances of financing something like that or paying
17· · · ·for something like that, then I would become aware
18· · · ·if the department heads didn't make me acutely
19· · · ·aware.· I was one of the layers of checking for
20· · · ·payments.
21· ·Q.· And as far as once those materials or that work was
22· · · ·completed or was in process, if it was a larger
23· · · ·kind of situation, what about as invoices were
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·1· · · ·received by the Town, what was the town manager's
·2· · · ·role with respect to invoices coming in, again for
·3· · · ·either work performed, services provided,
·4· · · ·materials, what was the town manager's role on that
·5· · · ·phase of something?
·8· ·A.· I'm, the town manager is one of the layers of
·9· · · ·checks and balances with regard to paying invoices.
10· ·Q.· Okay.· What are the other, quote/unquote, layers?
11· ·A.· So the invoices are coded by the department head.
12· · · ·It's reviewed and verified what's being paid for
13· · · ·was delivered, whether that's a service or a good.
14· · · · · · · · ·They are supposed to, what they do is
15· · · ·code those invoices against their budget lines,
16· · · ·because they are responsible for their budget.
17· · · ·That would then come into the bookkeeper, get
18· · · ·entered into the system.
19· · · · · · · · ·The bookkeeper then provides that to the
20· · · ·financial administrator for review.· Goes back to
21· · · ·the bookkeeper for any corrections.· Comes back to
22· · · ·the financial administrator for a check, and then
23· · · ·it comes to the town manager for a check and then
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·1· · · ·it goes to the select board for a check and final
·2· · · ·approval.
·3· ·Q.· By the word, you used "check" a lot of times in
·4· · · ·that description.· You mean verification when --
·5· ·A.· You're verifying, yes.· You're verifying that the
·6· · · ·proper codes were used; verifying that, you know,
·7· · · ·everything looks kosher.· Verifying, you know, if I
·8· · · ·had to go back to a department head and ask a
·9· · · ·question, that would be my opportunity to ask
10· · · ·something about the billing before it got finally
11· · · ·presented to the board for final approval.
12· ·Q.· And then who would authorize payment from the Town
13· · · ·funds to the vendor or the supplier, and by that I
14· · · ·mean was that, back when there was a town manager
15· · · ·form of government, the board of selectmen or the
16· · · ·town manager that checked that box, so to speak, so
17· · · ·funds would actually go out from the Town?
20· ·A.· So originally it would be the department head
21· · · ·verifying and making payments.
22· ·Q.· Right.
23· ·A.· It would be my responsibility to make sure that
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·1· · · ·that was all done according to our policies and
·2· · · ·procedures.
·3· ·Q.· Uh-huh.
·4· ·A.· But the board of selectmen is the final authority
·5· · · ·on the ability for us cutting checks.
·6· ·Q.· So then that isn't something, cutting checks, then,
·7· · · ·wasn't something that was within your activities or
·8· · · ·responsibilities as town manager then?
11· ·A.· No.· As the town manager I can't cut checks.
12· ·Q.· And what about engaging either vendors, suppliers
13· · · ·or contractors, was that a decision that the town
14· · · ·manager made or was it the board of selectmen?
15· ·A.· The town manager.
16· ·Q.· What was there for process established for review
17· · · ·of any contract that the town manager was going to
18· · · ·sign or engage in on behalf of the Town, was there
19· · · ·any review set up or pre-approval by the board of
20· · · ·selectmen generally?
21· ·A.· No.
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·1· ·A.· No.· There were times where I would bring things to
·2· · · ·the select board that I felt needed their attention
·3· · · ·or I wanted their input in or I felt I needed it
·4· · · ·for some reason, specifically very political things
·5· · · ·I would bring to the select board.
·6· ·Q.· To run it past them, is the phrase, usually?
·9· ·A.· Yeah.
10· ·Q.· Okay.
11· ·A.· Yeah.
12· ·Q.· Primarily we are here today, I'm here today to ask
13· · · ·you questions regarding the Town of Haverhill's
14· · · ·petition or complaint for declaratory judgment in
15· · · ·connection with the services that have been
16· · · ·allegedly provided by Donahue, Tucker and
17· · · ·Ciandella, you understand that; correct?
18· ·A.· Yes.
20· ·A.· Yes.
21· ·Q.· With respect to the services that Donahue, Tucker
22· · · ·and Ciandella, and I will refer to them as DTC, the
23· · · ·three letters, D and T and C throughout.· If
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·1· · · ·there's any confusion, you can just ask me, but is
·2· · · ·it okay just to say DTC for the law firm?
·3· ·A.· Yeah, that's fine with me.
·4· ·Q.· Okay.· So with respect to the lawsuit, have you or
·5· · · ·what have you read and reviewed with respect to the
·6· · · ·documents that have been filed in the court or with
·7· · · ·the court in connection with that lawsuit?· Have
·8· · · ·you reviewed any of those documents?
·9· ·A.· Most of them.
10· ·Q.· Okay.· So you're generally aware that DTC is
11· · · ·alleging that they provided legal services or legal
12· · · ·work to the Town at the request of the board of
13· · · ·selectmen; correct?
16· ·A.· Can you say that again?· I'm sorry.
17· ·Q.· Yes.· You're aware that DTC is alleging that they
18· · · ·provided legal services or did legal work, you
19· · · ·know, for or on behalf of the Town at the request
20· · · ·of the board of selectmen, and they are seeking to
21· · · ·get paid for that.· That's generally what they are
22· · · ·alleging.· You're aware of that; correct?
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·1· ·A.· I understand that's what they're alleging.
·2· ·Q.· Okay.· Can you please provide a summary of what
·3· · · ·your understanding is as to how DTC became involved
·4· · · ·in connection what in the documents filed with the
·5· · · ·court referred to as the DRA tax setting matter.
·6· · · ·What's your understanding as to how DTC got
·7· · · ·involved in that matter?
10· ·A.· My understanding is that specifically Chris Hawkins
11· · · ·got involved because he had represented the
12· · · ·Woodsville Fire District, and some of the Haverhill
13· · · ·select board members knew him from that capacity.
14· ·Q.· Okay.· And what's your understanding of the, what
15· · · ·DTC did, what work they did?· What's your
16· · · ·understanding of what they are saying they did?
19· ·A.· What they are saying they did or what ...
20· ·Q.· Correct.· But what's your, I want to state it in
21· · · ·the form of not expecting or anticipating that you
22· · · ·know everything, right, so what's your
23· · · ·understanding of what they said they did for or on
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·1· · · ·behalf of the Town in connection with that DRA rate
·2· · · ·setting issue?
·4· ·A.· Well, they say they worked with the board of
·5· · · ·selectmen to assist the Town in getting the tax
·6· · · ·rate set.
·7· ·Q.· Okay.· And what's your assessment with respect to
·8· · · ·their position or their allegations on what they
·9· · · ·did?
11· ·A.· My assessment?
12· ·Q.· Yes.
13· ·A.· That's what you're asking?
14· ·Q.· Yes.
15· ·A.· My assessment is that they were not, in fact,
16· · · ·working on behalf of the Town to do what they say
17· · · ·they were trying to do.
18· ·Q.· Okay.· And why do you think or believe that?
19· ·A.· That they were not working on behalf of the Town?
20· ·Q.· Correct.
21· ·A.· Well, one, we had, we had not gone through a
22· · · ·conflict waiver check to, throughout the entire tax
23· · · ·rate setting process there was no engagement
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·1· · · ·letter, and they were not engaging with town
·2· · · ·administration at all; and we were already working
·3· · · ·with Drummond Woodsum Law Firm to get the tax rate
·4· · · ·set.
·5· ·Q.· Okay.· So with respect to the conflict waiver
·6· · · ·process, what would that have looked like back when
·7· · · ·DTC said that it started doing work for or on
·8· · · ·behalf of the Town?
10· ·A.· Normally when we engage with attorneys, the first
11· · · ·thing we ask for is to do conflict checks.
12· ·Q.· Okay.· And who was "we"?
13· ·A.· Town administration.
14· ·Q.· Okay.· And who specifically back in, let's say
15· · · ·2022, who would that have been, meaning the,
16· · · ·quote/unquote, town administration?
17· ·A.· Myself or the assistant town manager.
18· ·Q.· Okay.· And does, based upon your knowledge and
19· · · ·information does the Town or would back in 2022,
20· · · ·did the board of selectmen have that power and
21· · · ·authority to engage in that process on its own?
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·1· ·A.· The board of select -- in a hypothetical situation?
·2· · · ·Are we talking hypothetical or in that particular
·3· · · ·situation?
·4· ·Q.· In the same set of facts that have played out as
·5· · · ·you understand them.
·6· ·A.· As far as I understand with regards to that
·7· · · ·situation they would not have.
·8· ·Q.· Okay.· What prohibited them from or would have
·9· · · ·prohibited them from engaging in that conflict
10· · · ·review process, as you put it?
11· ·A.· They could have engaged with me in that conflict
12· · · ·review process.
13· ·Q.· Okay.
14· ·A.· But what prohibited them from doing it on their own
15· · · ·was that the Board of Selectmen of the Town of
16· · · ·Haverhill had issued me full authority over all
17· · · ·matters related to the Woodsville Fire District.
18· ·Q.· Is it your understanding that when the Board of
19· · · ·Selectmen for the Town of Haverhill delegated that
20· · · ·activity or that role to you, that the board of
21· · · ·selectmen no longer had any power to do that
22· · · ·activity or engage in that activity any longer?
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·2· ·A.· It was my understanding that it was my
·3· · · ·responsibility because they had given me that.
·4· · · ·They had officially and in an official capacity at
·5· · · ·a warned meeting issued me that authority solely.
·6· ·Q.· So in giving you or conveying that authority to
·7· · · ·you, the board of selectmen must have had that
·8· · · ·power or that role to give over to you; correct?
11· ·A.· I think in general we shared, normally would have
12· · · ·shared the responsibility, though I was
13· · · ·historically the only one performing that function.
14· · · · · · · · ·And then they specifically handed over
15· · · ·all authority with related, with any legal matters
16· · · ·related to Woodsville Fire District to me.
17· ·Q.· Okay.· Is the Woodsville Fire District the same as
18· · · ·or interchangeable with the Woodsville Village
19· · · ·District?
20· ·A.· Yes.
21· ·Q.· Are the two of the same?
22· ·A.· Yup.
23· ·Q.· I have been wondering that for a heck of a long
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·1· · · ·time, so I had to ask that.
·2· ·A.· Yes.
·3· ·Q.· Okay.
·4· ·A.· Woodsville Fire District, Woodsville Village
·5· · · ·District, Woodsville Special Purpose District, yes.
·6· ·Q.· Okay.· Same horse by a different name?
·7· ·A.· Yes.
·8· ·Q.· Okay.· So, again, we will try to keep our minds
·9· · · ·back in, say 2020 to 2022, some sort of narrow time
10· · · ·frame, not going back to the 1800s or something
11· · · ·like that.
12· ·A.· That's good.
13· ·Q.· So let's say 2022 or 2020, typically what occurred
14· · · ·in Town of Haverhill was that the town manager,
15· · · ·whoever was in that role, would typically or
16· · · ·generally review contracts and those sorts of
17· · · ·things for the Town, whatever the Town needed; is
18· · · ·that a fair summary?
21· ·A.· Yes.· As town manager I had been responsible for
22· · · ·all contracts.
23· ·Q.· Okay.· With respect to this DRA tax setting issue,
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·1· · · ·it's established in documents filed with the court
·2· · · ·that, I don't want to say you personally, but the
·3· · · ·town manager's position that board of selectmen had
·4· · · ·delegated the activity of handling the day-to-day
·5· · · ·administration of legal matters relating to
·6· · · ·Woodsville, but it's the Woodsville Village
·7· · · ·District; is that accurate?
·8· ·A.· Yes.
·9· ·Q.· Okay.· As, I'm trying to understand what you're
10· · · ·saying, what I think you're saying is when that
11· · · ·formal act occurred at a public meeting, what is
12· · · ·your understanding as to whether or not the board
13· · · ·of selectmen still had any power or authority to
14· · · ·still do those activities, again in connection with
15· · · ·the DRA rate setting issue?
18· ·A.· So it was my understanding that they no longer had
19· · · ·that authority.
20· ·Q.· Okay.
21· ·A.· They could have changed that at any time; they had
22· · · ·the power.
23· ·Q.· Right.· So when, do you recall what the date was
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·1· · · ·when the board of selectmen assigned or gave that
·2· · · ·power to you, delegated that matter to you, as far
·3· · · ·as legal matters relating Woodsville; do you recall
·4· · · ·when that occurred?
·5· ·A.· I don't remember the exact date, but it's in the
·6· · · ·records.
·7· ·Q.· Okay.· Your understanding as town manager was that
·8· · · ·when that event occurred, that the board of
·9· · · ·selectmen no longer had any power to review
10· · · ·contracts, waive conflicts of interest or anything
11· · · ·like that, again, with respect to legal matters
12· · · ·relating to Woodsville; is that correct?
15· ·A.· It was my understanding that was the case and that
16· · · ·was also their intent.
17· ·Q.· Okay.· As far as your understanding that when they
18· · · ·delegated that activity or that role to you, that
19· · · ·the board of selectmen was left with no power to
20· · · ·continue doing those matters, contract review or
21· · · ·attorney retention review or conflict of interest
22· · · ·reviews and waivers, what is your understanding, as
23· · · ·town manager what's your understanding based upon?
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·1· · · ·Where did that come from?
·4· ·A.· It comes from RSA 37.· It comes from speaking with
·5· · · ·other attorneys and speaking with my board of
·6· · · ·selectmen at the time that that was their intent.
·7· ·Q.· Do you know if the, their intent, meaning the board
·8· · · ·of selectmen's intent, is reflected in any minutes
·9· · · ·of the meetings from back then?
10· ·A.· Only in the motion that they made.· That motion is
11· · · ·documented.· The discussion took place in a
12· · · ·nonpublic session.
13· ·Q.· So what is there for statements or summary of the
14· · · ·board members' explanation of their intent to
15· · · ·convey all of their power and be left with nothing
16· · · ·with respect to the, you know, all matters, legal
17· · · ·matters relating to Woodsville?
18· ·A.· It would be --
21· ·A.· It would be in those nonpublic minutes, which I
22· · · ·don't believe have been unsealed yet or at all.
23· ·Q.· And then if it's not recorded in the minutes from
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·1· · · ·those, that nonpublic session, then is it fair to
·2· · · ·say that it wasn't stated and not understood by the
·3· · · ·board members that that was the arrangement?
·6· ·A.· I'm not sure what you're asking.
·7· ·Q.· If I understand what you're saying, your
·8· · · ·understanding is, is that when the board of
·9· · · ·selectmen assigned or delegated the role to you of
10· · · ·all matters, all legal matters relating to
11· · · ·Woodsville, when they conferred that responsibility
12· · · ·on to you, the board of selectmen was left with no
13· · · ·power or authority to do anything; is that correct?
16· ·A.· Related to the legal matters related to the
17· · · ·Woodsville Fire District only.
18· ·Q.· Correct.· But that's, that's your understanding,
19· · · ·that once they assigned that or delegated that
20· · · ·responsibility and role to you, the board of
21· · · ·selectmen was left with no power or authority in
22· · · ·connection with that matter; correct?
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·1· ·A.· Specifically they didn't want to be.· They wanted
·2· · · ·it to be me that took that role.
·3· ·Q.· Okay.· And then if I understand what you stated
·4· · · ·here today is that when the board of selectmen
·5· · · ·voted and made the motion and voted to give you or
·6· · · ·delegate to you that responsibility of that role,
·7· · · ·that their intent to transfer any and all power and
·8· · · ·authority that they had over to you is reflected in
·9· · · ·the minutes; is that correct?
12· ·A.· I would have to go back and look at the minutes. I
13· · · ·haven't looked at any of that in a couple of years.
14· ·Q.· Okay.
15· ·A.· So I can't say if it's reflected explicitly in the
16· · · ·minutes.
17· ·Q.· If it's not reflected in the minutes of that
18· · · ·nonpublic session that the board of selectmen
19· · · ·intended to delegate all of its power, all of its
20· · · ·authority to review contracts and sign waivers of
21· · · ·conflict of interest and all those sort of things
22· · · ·with respect to legal matters relating to
23· · · ·Woodsville, if it's not reflected in the minutes of
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·1· · · ·that nonpublic session, would you agree that they
·2· · · ·didn't intend to delegate all of their power and
·3· · · ·authority?
·6· ·A.· I wouldn't, I wouldn't say that.
·7· ·Q.· Okay.· Then how would you or how do you have the
·8· · · ·understanding, again if that there's no direct
·9· · · ·statement in those minutes from the nonpublic
10· · · ·session, how, then, would you have the
11· · · ·understanding that you do, that when the board of
12· · · ·selectmen delegated to you the authority and the
13· · · ·responsibility to review contracts and waive
14· · · ·conflicts of interest with legal matters relating
15· · · ·to Woodsville, where does that understanding or
16· · · ·where would that understanding come from?
19· ·A.· Well, I was there.
20· ·Q.· Okay.
21· ·A.· As was Jennifer Boucher.· And I think their motion
22· · · ·speaks pretty clearly too of their intent, because
23· · · ·it says to give all, the word "all" is used there.
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·1· ·Q.· Not having been there I'm trying to walk myself
·2· · · ·through this, if you will.· So the board of
·3· · · ·selectmen, one way or another, whoever presented
·4· · · ·the idea, they discussed it, they took a vote, and
·5· · · ·then there are minutes of what they discussed and
·6· · · ·the outcome of the vote, obviously.· I'm trying to
·7· · · ·understand the basis of your understanding that
·8· · · ·when the board of selectmen assigned or delegated
·9· · · ·that role and the responsibility to you to make
10· · · ·decisions with respect to legal matter relating to
11· · · ·Woodsville, that the board knew they were
12· · · ·transferring everything over to you and they
13· · · ·intended to transfer, and they were left with
14· · · ·nothing.· That sort of that final step in my head
15· · · ·that I'm trying to sort out:· What, if anything,
16· · · ·more do you have that would explain your
17· · · ·understanding of that?
18· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Objection to form.· Asked and
19· · · ·answered.
20· ·Q.· Do you have anything in addition to what you've
21· · · ·already stated now that I have explained a little
22· · · ·more of, sort of, the line of my questioning and
23· · · ·what I'm trying to understand?
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·1· ·A.· So are you asking do I have any more in writing or
·2· · · ·any more in general.
·3· ·Q.· Anything more anywhere in whatever form.
·4· ·A.· So in writing, like I said, I'd have to go back and
·5· · · ·look at the minutes to see exactly what notes the
·6· · · ·chair took at that meeting.
·7· ·Q.· Okay.
·8· ·A.· But the board members that made up that board are
·9· · · ·still in town and could certainly be brought in for
10· · · ·questioning if you want to know what they were
11· · · ·thinking at the time.
12· ·Q.· So they may or may not have something more to add
13· · · ·on that topic; correct?
15· ·Q.· Yeah?
16· ·A.· I guarantee they would all come staunchly with the
17· · · ·same definitive information of what they intended.
18· ·Q.· Okay.· What, if anything, did the members who were
19· · · ·on the board of selectmen in 2022 when it appears
20· · · ·the events that gave rise to this lawsuit that we
21· · · ·are involved in right now, what, if anything, did
22· · · ·those members of that board have to say, if
23· · · ·anything, about whether they still had that power
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·1· · · ·and authority to review contracts and waive
·2· · · ·conflicts of interest, what, if anything, did those
·3· · · ·members say?
·6· ·A.· Specifically the board that made that motion did
·7· · · ·not want each of them to be acting independently,
·8· · · ·and they wanted there to be a single point of
·9· · · ·contact in decision-making, and they wanted that to
10· · · ·be me.
11· ·Q.· Okay.· And then in 2022 when the events occurred
12· · · ·that gave rise to this lawsuit, what did the
13· · · ·members of the board of selectmen say, if anything,
14· · · ·about whether or not the board of selectmen could
15· · · ·still review contracts and waive conflicts of
16· · · ·interest, those sorts of things?
19· ·A.· You mean the newly constituted board?
20· ·Q.· In two, who -- not having worked with them so I
21· · · ·know that there were elections and that sort of
22· · · ·thing --
23· ·A.· Yup.
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·1· ·Q.· -- so the board members that existed and were on
·2· · · ·the board of selectmen in 2022, what, if anything,
·3· · · ·did they say about whether or not they believed
·4· · · ·they still had, I don't want to use the word
·5· · · ·"power" because it's a little bit too stern, but
·6· · · ·the authority or had the ability to review
·7· · · ·contracts and waive conflicts of interest?
10· ·A.· So after March of 2022 when the new board was
11· · · ·constituted at the town meeting, this issue came up
12· · · ·again during a select board meeting, and Kevin
13· · · ·Knapp attempted to make a motion to remove
14· · · ·authority.
15· · · · · · · · ·At the time the select board chair
16· · · ·stepped in and said, I don't remember his exact
17· · · ·words, but basically, Brigitte has that authority.
18· · · ·We gave it to her for a reason.· She's the only
19· · · ·person that's going to, that should be doing this.
20· · · ·And Kevin's motion never got a second and the
21· · · ·motion failed.
22· · · · · · · · ·During some of those meetings at the
23· · · ·time, board members from the previous board who had
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·1· · · ·originally made that motion for the intended
·2· · · ·purpose of giving me full authority over all legal
·3· · · ·matters related to the Woodsville Fire District
·4· · · ·also stood up at the select board meeting to
·5· · · ·express to Kevin Knapp that the intent was for the
·6· · · ·town manager to have that full authority and to be
·7· · · ·the single point of contact for decision-making and
·8· · · ·anything else related to legal matters related to
·9· · · ·Woodsville Fire District.
10· ·Q.· Okay.
11· ·A.· So they reiterated what they had done in another
12· · · ·public meeting.
13· ·Q.· Okay.· And who, if anybody, said that it was the
14· · · ·intent that the board of selectmen then would no
15· · · ·longer have any right or power to review any
16· · · ·contracts and waive any conflicts, again with
17· · · ·respect to legal matters related to Woodsville?
18· · · ·Who, if anybody, said that?
19· ·A.· The board of selectmen that made the motion and
20· · · ·authorized me to do so to have that authority.
21· ·Q.· So they, they in one step, then, they, the members
22· · · ·stated that they were delegating this authority and
23· · · ·the responsibility to the town manager, and that
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·1· · · ·they were extinguish -- "they" meaning the members
·2· · · ·on the board of selectmen back then -- said that
·3· · · ·they were extinguishing or erasing their authority
·4· · · ·and power to review contracts and waive conflicts
·5· · · ·of interest; is that correct?
·6· ·A.· They were very explicit about that, yes.
·7· ·Q.· Okay.
·8· ·A.· Related to the Woodsville Fire District only.
·9· ·Q.· Correct.· So in, when this lawsuit that we are
10· · · ·involved in right now that the Town of Haverhill
11· · · ·brought against DTC, if that is accurate, then why
12· · · ·were, why weren't you the one or the individual for
13· · · ·the Town who signed the complaint or the petition
14· · · ·that got filed to the court to initiate this
15· · · ·lawsuit?
18· ·A.· Because it was an action the board of selectmen
19· · · ·took.
20· ·Q.· Does this lawsuit or what about this lawsuit
21· · · ·relates to legal matters relating to Woodsville?
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·1· ·A.· Say it again.
·2· ·Q.· Yeah.
·3· ·A.· What about ...
·4· ·Q.· What about the present lawsuit that we are here
·5· · · ·today for involves the phrase that we have been
·6· · · ·using over and over again, legal matters relating
·7· · · ·to Woodsville?
·8· ·A.· Well, this lawsuit is about the tax rate setting
·9· · · ·matter and what DTC purports that they did to
10· · · ·assist the Town in that matter.
11· · · · · · · · ·And the tax rate setting matter was
12· · · ·directly connected to Articles 27 and 28, which was
13· · · ·directly connected to the legislation, which was
14· · · ·directly connected to the original lawsuit that
15· · · ·Woodsville filed against the Town of Haverhill.
16· · · ·They are all tied to one another, all about highway
17· · · ·funding.· The Town funding the district's
18· · · ·operation.
19· ·Q.· So if it's all tied to and relates to legal matters
20· · · ·relating to Woodsville, then why didn't you sign
21· · · ·the petition or the complaint that initiate this
22· · · ·lawsuit?
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·2· ·A.· Because it was an action the select board wanted to
·3· · · ·take not -- yes, it's an action the select board
·4· · · ·wanted to make.
·5· ·Q.· Okay.· But if I understand what you were saying
·6· · · ·previously, when the board of selectmen assigned or
·7· · · ·delegated to you the role and the responsibility of
·8· · · ·making decisions and taking actions with respect to
·9· · · ·all legal matters relating to Woodsville, and your,
10· · · ·you just stated that this current lawsuit relates
11· · · ·to legal matters relating to Woodsville, the board
12· · · ·of selectmen couldn't have or wouldn't have signed
13· · · ·the petition.· So how did they sign the petition
14· · · ·then?
17· ·A.· Well, I think that this particular lawsuit is about
18· · · ·a bill.
19· ·Q.· Okay.
20· ·A.· And the bill has been filed with the Town from DTC.
21· · · ·And so for them it's about the bill and not wanting
22· · · ·to pay the bill because they believe that DTC was
23· · · ·never hired by the Town.
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·1· ·Q.· So with your, with respect to your role as town
·2· · · ·manager and what your understanding is with respect
·3· · · ·to the delegation of the board of selectmen to you
·4· · · ·of all legal matters relating to Woodsville, does
·5· · · ·this current lawsuit then fall within the
·6· · · ·parameters or fall under that heading of all legal
·7· · · ·matters relating to Woodsville?
10· ·A.· I'm not sure how to answer that.
11· ·Q.· Okay.· I just want to make sure, you understand the
12· · · ·question but you don't know the answer to it; is
13· · · ·that accurate?
16· ·A.· Ask me the question again.
17· ·Q.· Okay.· So you've previously stated today that it's
18· · · ·your understanding and based upon what individual
19· · · ·members said with respect to the assignment of
20· · · ·making decisions and having authority and
21· · · ·responsibility with respect to all legal matters
22· · · ·relating to Woodsville, board of selectmen assigned
23· · · ·all of its power and authority over to you.
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·1· · · · · · · · ·And then with respect to this lawsuit I
·2· · · ·asked you if this present lawsuit relates to all
·3· · · ·legal matters relating to Woodsville, and I'm
·4· · · ·trying to find out if you would put this lawsuit
·5· · · ·under that heading of all legal matters --
·6· ·A.· I personally would not.
·7· ·Q.· Okay.
·8· ·A.· Because from my perspective DTC was never hired.
·9· · · ·So from my perspective, this lawsuit is more about
10· · · ·the fact that this bill was filed with a single
11· · · ·select member at his personal address for legal
12· · · ·services they purported to have provided to this
13· · · ·town, but they were hired to do that.
14· · · · · · · · ·And they had, Chris Hawkins has such a
15· · · ·gross conflict it could never have been waived, so
16· · · ·they could never have been hired anyway.
17· ·Q.· Okay.
18· ·A.· So from my perspective, having full legal authority
19· · · ·over all matters related to Woodsville Fire
20· · · ·District, I certainly would never have hired Chris
21· · · ·Hawkins to serve us in this respect.· And so this
22· · · ·is like a separate matter.· This is between the
23· · · ·Town and DTC; and from that perspective it would be
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·1· · · ·the board of selectmen who would be in a position
·2· · · ·of filing a suit if they felt that that was
·3· · · ·something that they wanted to do, which is what
·4· · · ·they did.
·5· ·Q.· Okay.· Let me ask, I don't want to say the same
·6· · · ·question, but let me ask a follow-up question based
·7· · · ·upon what I understand you just said.
·8· · · · · · · · ·So this present lawsuit does not, it does
·9· · · ·not relate to, is not connected to all, the quote,
10· · · ·all the legal matters relating to Woodsville, so it
11· · · ·doesn't fit or fall under that category; correct?
14· ·A.· I think it's -- no, I think.· It's been ...
15· ·Q.· It's outside of that.
16· ·A.· It's outside of that realm.
17· ·Q.· Okay.· Okay.· So with respect to the work or the
18· · · ·legal services that DTC says that it performed, the
19· · · ·things that it did on behalf of the Town, why did
20· · · ·DTC do the things that it did?· What does it relate
21· · · ·to?
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·1· ·A.· My opinion?· Are you asking for my opinion?
·2· ·Q.· Well, there's a thorny issue there because your
·3· · · ·opinion not as a person, but your assessment as the
·4· · · ·town manager, correct, yes?
·5· ·A.· As to why they, say it again, then.
·6· ·Q.· Why they say, because you weren't there when they
·7· · · ·were doing things, so we are just going to take it
·8· · · ·as that -- they are the ones saying they did
·9· · · ·certain things.· We will take that at face value --
10· · · ·but with respect to the things, the legal services
11· · · ·or the legal work that DTC is saying that it did or
12· · · ·they did on behalf of the Town of Haverhill, why
13· · · ·did they do those things?
16· ·A.· Like you said, I wasn't involved in 99 percent of
17· · · ·whatever it is they did do behind the scenes there,
18· · · ·but my understanding and the only connection that I
19· · · ·have seen is that Chris Hawkins had litigated
20· · · ·against the Town of Haverhill on behalf of the
21· · · ·Woodsville Fire District, and he was still pursuing
22· · · ·that in a different way.
23· ·Q.· So when Chris Hawkins represented Woodsville
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·1· · · ·Village District, he also was with a different
·2· · · ·firm?· He wasn't then employed with DTC law firm;
·6· ·A.· That is true.
·7· ·Q.· Okay.· And it's your understanding that the lawyers
·8· · · ·at DTC or DTC did what they are saying they did,
·9· · · ·the legal services that they are saying they
10· · · ·provided for the Town of Haverhill, they actually
11· · · ·did those things to benefit Woodsville Village
12· · · ·District; correct?
15· ·A.· I believe so.
16· ·Q.· Okay.· Who, who for the Town of Haverhill approved
17· · · ·or authorized DTC to do the work and provide the
18· · · ·legal services that they say they provided for the
19· · · ·Town?
22· ·A.· Well, Steve Robbins, Village District employee and
23· · · ·resident, signed documents for DTC in the district
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·1· · · ·office.
·2· ·Q.· Okay.
·3· ·A.· And that's about as much as I know about.
·4· ·Q.· Okay.· So do you know who, who else or who the
·5· · · ·other members were, if any, who also agreed and
·6· · · ·authorized DTC to perform the legal services that
·7· · · ·they did?
·8· ·A.· There are no meetings on record, no minutes, so I
·9· · · ·couldn't answer that question.
10· ·Q.· Okay.· What, if anything, do you know about legal
11· · · ·services that DTC is saying that it provided to the
12· · · ·Town, specifically the board of selectmen, that
13· · · ·they say are connected to or related to personnel
14· · · ·matters?
17· ·A.· There's one brief entry on an invoice related to my
18· · · ·review and my evaluation.
19· ·Q.· Okay.· And what does that time entry on that
20· · · ·invoice mean to you or what's your understanding of
21· · · ·it?
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·1· ·A.· The assumption was that at some point one of board
·2· · · ·members sent DTC my evaluation for review, and it
·3· · · ·was not a significant amount of time, so I have no
·4· · · ·idea the context of that.
·5· ·Q.· Okay.· And so do you know which board members were
·6· · · ·involved in either communications or activity
·7· · · ·related to that supposed one-time entry?
·8· ·A.· I don't know who.· I don't, I wasn't involved.
·9· ·Q.· Okay.· Was this problem or the issue with respect
10· · · ·to the New Hampshire Department of Revenue
11· · · ·Administration, the DRA as we have been referring
12· · · ·to it today, this problem or issue with respect to
13· · · ·DRA not setting the tax rate for the Town of
14· · · ·Haverhill, does that or does it not relate to or
15· · · ·fit under the heading of, so to speak, all legal
16· · · ·matters relating to Woodsville?
17· ·A.· It does.
19· ·Q.· It does?· Okay.· So when this DRA tax setting issue
20· · · ·came about -- not a very articulate way of saying
21· · · ·it -- began with DRA issuing the letter that it did
22· · · ·to the Town, what was the status of Woodsville's
23· · · ·lawsuit against the Town of Haverhill, the one that
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·1· · · ·started, I believe, in 2020 or earlier?· What was,
·2· · · ·do you recall what the status was at that -- when
·3· · · ·this DRA tax setting issue came about, what was the
·4· · · ·status of that lawsuit?
·7· ·A.· We were still in the middle of settlement
·8· · · ·finalization.
·9· ·Q.· Okay.· Not having been involved, what does that
10· · · ·mean?· Can you provide --
11· ·A.· We still owed the Village of Woodsville Fire
12· · · ·District a second settlement payment.
13· ·Q.· Okay.· Was there still a lawsuit going on in the
14· · · ·court?
15· ·A.· It was not, we were, we had, we had negotiated a
16· · · ·settlement and we were in the middle of executing
17· · · ·that settlement.
18· ·Q.· There was a settlement agreement that had been
19· · · ·finalized; correct?
20· ·A.· Yes.
21· ·Q.· And then what, if anything, do you know as far as
22· · · ·what documents had been filed with the court in
23· · · ·connection with that lawsuit, again, when this DRA
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·1· · · ·tax setting issue reared its head?
·4· ·A.· I don't recall what had been filed before the
·5· · · ·letter got issued.
·6· ·Q.· Okay.
·7· ·A.· But it was in January and that we were, at the end
·8· · · ·of January we made the second settlement payment.
·9· · · ·And then after that there was something filed with
10· · · ·the court, I believe in February, on letting them
11· · · ·know we had finished.
12· ·Q.· Okay.· What as of, we will take it as of February
13· · · ·of 2023 --
14· ·A.· '3.
15· ·Q.· Okay.· As of February 2023, the Town of Haverhill
16· · · ·had made this agreed-upon second payment to the, to
17· · · ·Woodsville; correct?
18· ·A.· Yes.
19· ·Q.· What, as far as your understanding as town manager
20· · · ·at that point, what else was there required by that
21· · · ·settlement that Haverhill had to do, you know, to
22· · · ·or for Woodsville?· Was there anything left --
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·1· ·Q.· Go ahead.· You can answer.
·2· ·A.· With regards the, just the lawsuit?
·3· ·Q.· This lawsuit and the settlement, yes.
·4· ·A.· So after we finally filed with the court letting
·5· · · ·them know we had executed the settlement agreement,
·6· · · ·I believe that would be the end of it.· There would
·7· · · ·be nothing else that we would need to file with the
·8· · · ·court.
·9· ·Q.· Okay.· But in addition, with respect to the
10· · · ·settlement agreement, what each party said it was
11· · · ·going to do or not to do, so the typical agreement,
12· · · ·Town of Haverhill makes a second payment to
13· · · ·Woodsville Village District, and it was the second
14· · · ·payment of two; correct?
15· ·A.· Yes.
16· ·Q.· Okay.· What additional or what other things did the
17· · · ·Town of Haverhill still need to do to carry out its
18· · · ·half of the agreement, so to speak?· Was there
19· · · ·anything else?
22· ·A.· There wouldn't have been anything after we
23· · · ·finalized the settlement.
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·1· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Take a look at that and we
·2· · · ·will mark it.
·3· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Can we go off the record and
·4· · · ·take a quick break.
·5· · · · · · · · ·(Recess taken.)
·6· · · · · · · · ·(Exhibit 1, 3/6/20 Town of Haverhill
·7· · · ·Nonpublic Meeting Minutes, marked for
·8· · · ·identification.)
·9· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Back the record.
10· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Okay.· So we stipulate that
11· · · ·all objections are preserved.
12· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Yeah.· And I would just add
13· · · ·without, without counsel for the Town having to
14· · · ·object upon the presentation of each question,
15· · · ·especially with respect to form.
17· ·Q.· Okay.· So, Ms. Codling, I have sent over across the
18· · · ·table a document, two-page document to you.· First
19· · · ·page is essentially a coversheet, if you will.
20· · · ·Once you and your attorney have taken a look at it
21· · · ·just so it's on the record, just let me know when
22· · · ·you've read over and you're ready for a question.
23· · · · · · · · ·(Pause.)
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·1· ·A.· I'm good.
·2· ·Q.· All set?
·3· ·A.· Uh-huh.
·4· ·Q.· Sorry.
·5· ·A.· That's okay.· Yes.· Yes.
·6· ·Q.· Is that an uh-uh or yes?· Everybody does it.· Okay.
·7· · · ·So back on the record, still under oath after a
·8· · · ·brief break.· And I have handed you a document and
·9· · · ·marked it as Exhibit No. 1 to your deposition.
10· · · · · · · · ·Can you tell me what this document is?
11· · · ·Do you recognize it?
12· ·A.· Minutes to the nonpublic meeting of March 6th,
13· · · ·2020.
14· ·Q.· Okay.· And two thirds of the way down the page
15· · · ·there is just barely under three lines that look
16· · · ·like it was highlighted.· It's slightly shaded.· It
17· · · ·starts out with, Darwin made the motion.· Do you
18· · · ·see that sentence?
19· ·A.· I do.
20· ·Q.· Okay.· With respect to that sentence there, is that
21· · · ·the motion through which the board of selectmen
22· · · ·back in 2020 assigned to you or delegated to you
23· · · ·the power and the responsibility to make decisions
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·1· · · ·regarding or over legal matters related to the
·2· · · ·Woodsville Precinct?
·3· ·A.· It does.· It is.
·4· ·Q.· Okay.· And this is, at the top it states this is
·5· · · ·the meeting minutes, looks like from the, or
·6· · · ·appears to have been from the nonpublic session?
·7· ·A.· Yes.
·8· ·Q.· Okay.· Having attended a good number of these board
·9· · · ·of selectmen meetings in this town, is this
10· · · ·typically, again up at the caption or top of the
11· · · ·page here, is it typically how the meeting minutes
12· · · ·would be indicated if or when they are from the
13· · · ·nonpublic session?
14· ·A.· Most of the time.
15· ·Q.· Okay.· Are there, well, does the board of selectmen
16· · · ·and has the board of selectmen generally produced
17· · · ·two sets of meetings, one for the public and then a
18· · · ·separate one for the nonpublic meeting sessions?
19· ·A.· Yes, there's two sets of minutes if they go into
20· · · ·nonpublic.
21· ·Q.· Okay.· So this is consistent with the minutes from
22· · · ·a nonpublic meeting or nonpublic session of the
23· · · ·board of selectmen?
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·1· ·A.· Yes.
·2· ·Q.· Okay.· So with respect to, again the phrase that we
·3· · · ·have been saying over and over again so far, the
·4· · · ·legal matters related to the Woodsville Precinct,
·5· · · ·back in March of 2020 what do you recall your
·6· · · ·understanding of what that phrase "legal matters"
·7· · · ·related to?
·8· ·A.· Literally anything.· Literally any legal matter.
·9· ·Q.· Okay.· So it was, your understanding then was that
10· · · ·it also involved even things beyond the assessment,
11· · · ·appropriation and distribution of property tax
12· · · ·dollars to Woodsville?· It encompassed even things
13· · · ·further in a broader scope of subject areas than
14· · · ·those things?
15· ·A.· The collection, distribution of taxes isn't a legal
16· · · ·matter.
17· ·Q.· I'm sorry?· It's what?
18· ·A.· That's not normally a legal matter, the
19· · · ·distribution of taxes.
20· ·Q.· Okay.· So then what falls within that phrase "legal
21· · · ·matters"?
22· ·A.· So literally anytime we would need to confer with
23· · · ·legal, obtain legal or file anything that would be
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·1· · · ·a legal filing would be me.
·2· ·Q.· So if there were a legal dispute between the Town
·3· · · ·and Woodsville Precinct, as it's referred to
·4· · · ·here --
·5· ·A.· That's another name.
·6· ·Q.· -- we are going to throw a third term in here now
·7· · · ·just to indicate Woodsville -- but if there were a
·8· · · ·dispute between the Town of Haverhill and
·9· · · ·Woodsville relating to a vehicle that attorneys
10· · · ·were needed, that would be a legal matter?
11· ·A.· Say that again.
12· ·Q.· Yeah.· I'm just trying to get an understanding of
13· · · ·this phrase "legal matters" in relation to
14· · · ·Woodsville.· If there were or had been some dispute
15· · · ·between the Town and Woodsville over a vehicle or
16· · · ·about a vehicle -- I'm trying to take it outside
17· · · ·of, like real estate taxes or property taxes -- was
18· · · ·it your understanding that when the board of
19· · · ·selectmen delegated that authority to you and
20· · · ·responsibility to you that it also would have
21· · · ·covered some legal dispute over a vehicle somehow
22· · · ·between the Town and Woodsville?
23· ·A.· So at that time any legal matters in general were
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·1· · · ·in my ball court, they were my responsibility.· And
·2· · · ·so with regard to Woodsville Precinct, it would be
·3· · · ·exclusively mine.
·4· ·Q.· Okay.· And that would still be consistent with what
·5· · · ·you testified earlier today as well that when, your
·6· · · ·understanding was when the board delegated that
·7· · · ·authority and responsibility to you, again with
·8· · · ·respect to all legal matters relating to
·9· · · ·Woodsville, that the board retained or kept no
10· · · ·authority for itself from that date forward?
11· ·A.· Over Woodsville matters, yes.
12· ·Q.· Okay.· Over Woodsville matters; correct.· Okay.
13· · · ·When, just a little while ago I was asking you
14· · · ·about the lawsuit that Woodsville brought against
15· · · ·the Town in connection with tax payments and tax
16· · · ·money to Woodsville.· We've already covered that
17· · · ·that case, that legal matter was settled.
18· · · · · · · · ·There was, do you recall what there was
19· · · ·for documents that the two parties signed to
20· · · ·document or memorialize the settlement?· Do you
21· · · ·recall what any of those documents were?
22· ·A.· The settlement agreement.
23· ·Q.· Okay.· All right.· Do you recall anything in
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·1· · · ·addition to the actual settlement agreement?
·2· ·A.· Not that I recall.
·3· ·Q.· Okay.· Who signed, on behalf of the Town of
·4· · · ·Haverhill, who signed the settlement agreement?
·5· ·A.· The chair, the chair, Fred Garofalo signed that.
·6· ·Q.· Do you, so you recall that Fred Garofalo, the
·7· · · ·chairman of the board of selectmen, signed the
·8· · · ·settlement agreement between the Town and
·9· · · ·Woodsville?
10· ·A.· He did, after settlement negotiations.
11· ·Q.· Okay.· Prior to that were there any other documents
12· · · ·in connection with the settlement of that lawsuit
13· · · ·that the Town signed?
14· ·A.· I don't recall.
15· ·Q.· Okay.
16· ·A.· Probably, but I can't recall specifically.· It's
17· · · ·been a while.
18· ·Q.· What role, if any, did you have in connection with
19· · · ·the settlement negotiations?
20· ·A.· I was part of the settlement negotiations.
21· ·Q.· And did you decide whether or not the case was or
22· · · ·whether or not the Town agreed to settle the case?
23· ·A.· It was -- no, the board voted.
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·1· ·Q.· Do you know why it wasn't your decision?
·2· ·A.· I don't recall exactly how that played out, other
·3· · · ·than the fact that we were going to spending a lot
·4· · · ·of money; and the final authority on spending that
·5· · · ·kind of money is up to the board.
·6· ·Q.· The payment of the money was what was needed to
·7· · · ·bring about the resolution of the dispute between
·8· · · ·the parties, though, right?
11· ·A.· Say it again.
12· ·Q.· Yeah, the payment of the money by the Town to
13· · · ·Woodsville was part of what was agreed upon to
14· · · ·resolve the legal dispute between the towns,
15· · · ·though, right?
16· ·A.· That was the biggest component of settling was
17· · · ·whether there was going to be money exchanged.
18· ·Q.· But the decision as to whether or not the Town was
19· · · ·going to pay that money wasn't solely your
20· · · ·decision?
22· ·Q.· Correct?
23· ·A.· Even as town manager I can't spend that kind of
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·1· · · ·money without the approval of select board.· I can
·2· · · ·only spend what's in the budget, what's been
·3· · · ·approved at town meeting; that's under my
·4· · · ·authority.
·5· ·Q.· And this was a legal matter relating to Woodsville;
·7· ·A.· It was.
·8· ·Q.· Whose decision was it to post the documents
·9· · · ·relating to this lawsuit on the Town's website?
11· ·A.· The select board.
12· ·Q.· Okay.· Do you know why they decided or it decided
13· · · ·to do that?
14· ·A.· To be transparent.
15· ·Q.· Whose decision was it to post the documents that
16· · · ·are on the Town's website with respect to this
17· · · ·lawsuit here between the Town of Haverhill and DTC?
18· ·A.· The board, for the same reasons.
19· · · · · · · · ·(Exhibit 2, 1/9/22 Town of Haverhill
20· · · ·Meeting Minutes, marked for identification.)
21· ·Q.· Okay.· Have you had a chance to look at the
22· · · ·document that I have just given you?
23· ·A.· Yes.
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·1· ·Q.· And it's been marked as Exhibit No. 2.· At the top
·2· · · ·it says that it is an Emergency Select Board
·3· · · ·Meeting, and these are the minutes of that from
·4· · · ·January 9th, 2022; correct?
·5· ·A.· Yes.
·6· ·Q.· Okay.· Third paragraph down is Town employees
·7· · · ·present, and it appears that both you and --
·8· ·A.· Jennifer.
·9· ·Q.· -- Ms. Boucher were present; is that correct?
10· ·A.· That's correct; yes.
11· ·Q.· Second-to-last paragraph from the bottom there's a
12· · · ·discussion about Drummond Woodsum attorneys.· Who
13· · · ·are they?
14· ·A.· They are the attorneys that we had been using since
15· · · ·the fall of 2019 on Woodsville-related matters.
16· ·Q.· Okay.· And then on the second to third line it
17· · · ·indicates that there was a conflict of interest
18· · · ·apparently that Drummond Woodsum had.· What was
19· · · ·that conflict of interest?
20· ·A.· It was that they were representing, they had
21· · · ·represented both the school and Mountain Lakes
22· · · ·District in various things in the past.
23· ·Q.· What way, if any, were those prior representations
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·1· · · ·or the subject matter of those prior
·2· · · ·representations related to each other; do you know?
·3· ·A.· To each other's representations, like the school
·4· · · ·and the district --
·5· ·Q.· Correct.
·6· ·A.· -- with the town?· Or just --
·7· ·Q.· With each other.· The school and the district.
·8· ·A.· I don't think that it was a conflict between the
·9· · · ·school and district.· It was that Drummond Woodsum
10· · · ·had represented the school district in the past and
11· · · ·they had represented Mountain Lakes District in the
12· · · ·past.· And so they wanted to make sure they could
13· · · ·clear any conflicts that might be there before they
14· · · ·continued to represent us.
15· ·Q.· So step by step.· And then what was, as you
16· · · ·understand it, what was the conflict in this
17· · · ·situation here as of January of 2022 that Drummond
18· · · ·Woodsum believed that it had as between the school
19· · · ·district and the Town itself?
20· ·A.· They at that point weren't sure they truly had a
21· · · ·conflict.· They had represented both parties, so
22· · · ·they wanted to make sure there was not a conflict.
23· ·Q.· Okay.· And what's your understanding as far as
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·1· · · ·whether or not there was actually a conflict?
·2· ·A.· There was no conflict in the end.
·3· ·Q.· Did Drummond Woodsum produce or generate and send
·4· · · ·to the Town a waiver of conflict of interest?
·5· ·A.· Yes.
·6· ·Q.· Okay.· And who signed that?
·7· ·A.· I did.
·8· ·Q.· Okay.· If there wasn't a conflict of interest, why
·9· · · ·did you as the town manager then sign a waiver of
10· · · ·the conflict of interest?
11· ·A.· The conflict of interest waiver basically said that
12· · · ·there was no conflict; just that they had
13· · · ·represented those parties and we understood that.
14· ·Q.· So is it fair to say that it operated more as a
15· · · ·disclosure than an actual waiver?· A waiver of
16· · · ·something that didn't exist is a little
17· · · ·problematic.· Is it fair to say that the waiver of
18· · · ·conflict of interest document that you signed in
19· · · ·connection with Drummond Woodsum then, 2022, was
20· · · ·more of a disclosure?· They were disclosing, sort
21· · · ·of, what they had for past representation, legal
22· · · ·representation?
23· ·A.· Perhaps it could be seen that way.
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·1· ·Q.· Okay.· How did you see it then?
·2· ·A.· I guess that would be a good, a good categorization
·3· · · ·of that, that they were disclosing that they had
·4· · · ·represented the school district, they had
·5· · · ·represented the Mountain Lakes District, and that
·6· · · ·they didn't feel that those representations had any
·7· · · ·impact on the Town, in their representation of the
·8· · · ·Town, and I agreed.
·9· ·Q.· So your opinion was as well that there wasn't
10· · · ·actually a conflict of interest; is that accurate?
11· ·A.· Nothing, nothing of any significance.
12· ·Q.· There was a conflict, it was just minor, or there
13· · · ·wasn't a conflict?
14· ·A.· I wouldn't have seen it as a real conflict.
15· ·Q.· And do you know what the school district did with
16· · · ·respect to any kind of waiver that Drummond Woodsum
17· · · ·sent over to it?
18· ·A.· Originally they did, the school board voted not to
19· · · ·sign it.· And then on the 12th they were made aware
20· · · ·that by not signing it, it would keep Drummond
21· · · ·Woodsum from representing the Town; and so they
22· · · ·immediately went back in and signed it.
23· ·Q.· Why did the school board initially decide that they
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·1· · · ·weren't going to sign it?
·2· ·A.· I wasn't there, but the school board chair stated
·3· · · ·that they misunderstood what it was for.
·4· ·Q.· What did he give for an explanation as to what the
·5· · · ·misunderstanding was?
·6· ·A.· That's all he said was that they misunderstood.
·7· ·Q.· Okay.· What is your understanding with respect to
·8· · · ·the members of the board of selectmen and the board
·9· · · ·of selectmen retaining or hiring or not hiring DTC
10· · · ·Lawyers with respect to the DRA rate setting issue?
13· ·A.· Can you say that again, the beginning of it.
14· ·Q.· Yeah.· With respect to the members on the board of
15· · · ·selectmen, what was their understanding or their
16· · · ·position with respect to the board of selectmen
17· · · ·hiring or retaining DTC Lawyers for or in
18· · · ·connection with the DRA rate setting issue?
19· ·A.· I don't want to speculate what they believed or
20· · · ·what they thought.· The only individual who ever
21· · · ·made a statement was Steve Robbins, who said it was
22· · · ·their intent to do so.
23· ·Q.· Okay.· And is that what he stated directly to you?
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·1· ·A.· Yes.
·2· ·Q.· What explanation, if any, did he give for his
·3· · · ·position about having intended to retain DTC
·4· · · ·Lawyers?
·5· ·A.· I don't recall him ever giving me an explanation.
·6· ·Q.· It was just that statement itself standing alone?
·7· ·A.· Basically.· Basically.· There was no in-depth
·8· · · ·explanation on what the board was doing.
·9· ·Q.· Okay.
10· ·A.· Or why.
11· ·Q.· And do you recall any other member of the board of
12· · · ·selectmen stating or communicating to you that they
13· · · ·intended to hire or retain DTC for the property,
14· · · ·the rate setting issue?
15· ·A.· Directly to me?
16· ·Q.· Communicated in any way, yeah, spoken?· Email?
17· · · ·Text?
18· ·A.· There was a public statement read on January 17th
19· · · ·that was coauthored or significantly edited by
20· · · ·Chris Hawkins that made a statement that the board
21· · · ·intended to hire DTC.
22· ·Q.· Okay.· Who else on the board of selectmen, if
23· · · ·anybody, also stated or communicated to you that it
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·1· · · ·was their intent as members of the board of
·2· · · ·selectmen to hire or retain DTC in connection with
·3· · · ·the DRA rate setting matter?
·4· ·A.· Other than that January 17th meeting I don't recall
·5· · · ·any other board members specifically saying that.
·6· · · ·Nothing sticks in my mind.
·7· · · · · · · · ·(Exhibit 3, 5/15/24 Email, marked for
·9· · · · · · · · ·(Pause.)
10· ·Q.· Okay.· So I gave you a document that is a string or
11· · · ·chain of emails, which the original document is
12· · · ·January 11th of 2022.· You've had a, and January
13· · · ·10th, 2022.· You've had a chance to review this
14· · · ·with your attorney?
15· ·A.· We both looked at it, yes.
16· ·Q.· Just want to make sure that the record -- sorry.
17· · · ·Just making sure the record is there that you guys
18· · · ·have looked at it.
19· ·A.· Yes.
20· ·Q.· Okay.· Yes.· At the bottom of the first page of
21· · · ·this document it's an email that says it's from
22· · · ·you.· It's dated January 11th, 2023, and this
23· · · ·particular email is at 2:28 p.m. to Steve Robbins.
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·1· · · ·Do you see where that begins?
·2· ·A.· I do.
·3· ·Q.· Okay.· And then it goes on to the second page.
·4· · · ·This is an email that you sent to Steve Robbins who
·5· · · ·was the, at the time was the chairman of the board
·6· · · ·of selectmen; correct?
·7· ·A.· He was probably the interim chair at that point.
·8· ·Q.· The interim chair or vice chair, right?
·9· ·A.· Yeah, I don't remember exactly when.
10· ·Q.· Okay.· So four paragraphs from the bottom it
11· · · ·states, The issue we face is not having a tax rate
12· · · ·set.· Do you see that line in that paragraph?
13· ·A.· I do, yup.
14· ·Q.· Okay.· So the issue was not really with the lawsuit
15· · · ·that Woodsville had brought against the Town of
16· · · ·Haverhill and everything that been pled or alleged
17· · · ·in that lawsuit; this was a separate issue of the
18· · · ·DRA delaying or refusing to set the tax rate for
19· · · ·the Town in 2000-, dragged into 2023, but it
20· · · ·started actually in 2022; correct?
21· ·A.· Which part?
22· ·Q.· I --
23· ·A.· The settlement component?· The lawsuit started in
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·1· · · ·early 2020.
·2· ·Q.· Right.· But this line, these two lines here, The
·3· · · ·issue we face with not having the tax rate set.· So
·4· · · ·what you and Steve are communicating about is the
·5· · · ·DRA not setting the tax rate, not anything
·6· · · ·specifically that was filed in connection with the
·7· · · ·lawsuit that Woodsville brought against the Town of
·8· · · ·Haverhill; correct?
·9· ·A.· It is connected and that's why I go on to say that
10· · · ·it's not our fault or anything we have any control
11· · · ·over, because the tax rate not being set was due to
12· · · ·Article 27 and 28, which was due to highway
13· · · ·funding, which is the same thing we were litigating
14· · · ·over with regards to the lawsuit.· It was an
15· · · ·ongoing problem.
16· ·Q.· So all of this came about not as a result of or the
17· · · ·fault of anyone in the town doing anything wrong;
18· · · ·correct?
19· ·A.· Correct.
20· ·Q.· Okay.
21· ·A.· Well, town government.
22· ·Q.· Well, prior to this, generally a year prior to
23· · · ·this, January, about January of 2022, you had
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·1· · · ·emailed the DRA a number of times and gave them or
·2· · · ·forewarned them about Article 27 and Article 28
·3· · · ·that it was, something was going to be coming;
·6· ·Q.· Go ahead.· You can answer.
·7· ·A.· So part of the review process for the warrant is
·8· · · ·for us to the send the warrant to the DRA for a
·9· · · ·pre-reveal, and that's what I had done.
10· ·Q.· Okay.· And is that all you had done with respect to
11· · · ·that process?
12· ·A.· No.· I had communicated the sentiments of the
13· · · ·select board with regards to those warrant
14· · · ·articles.
15· ·Q.· And where are those, as you put it, sentiments of
16· · · ·the select board recorded?
17· ·A.· I'd have to --
20· ·A.· I'd have to go back through the minutes leading up
21· · · ·to that point.· And then certainly discussions with
22· · · ·board members individually.
23· ·Q.· So you had individual or you had conversations or
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·1· · · ·communications with individual board meetings[sic]
·2· · · ·outside of public meetings?
·3· ·A.· Not board.· With individual selectmen, selectmen,
·4· · · ·especially the chair.
·5· ·Q.· Outside of a public meeting?
·6· ·A.· 'Cause he would come into my office, all the board
·7· · · ·members come in to talk to town administrator.
·8· ·Q.· All right.
·9· ·A.· Normally.
10· ·Q.· And those communications and conversations occurred
11· · · ·outside of a public meeting; correct?
12· ·A.· Yup.
13· ·Q.· Is there any record of those discussions that you
14· · · ·had with individual board members outside a public
15· · · ·meeting regarding these two warrant articles, No.
16· · · ·27 and 28, either before they were formally
17· · · ·submitted or afterwards?
18· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Objection.
20· ·A.· Formally submitted to the DRA after town meeting
21· · · ·or ...
22· ·Q.· Before they were formally submitted to the Town for
23· · · ·submission to the public, the annual meeting?
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·1· ·A.· So we don't find out about warrant articles until
·2· · · ·they are submitted to the town clerk; so before
·3· · · ·that I had no knowledge of them at all.
·4· ·Q.· You had some idea that something was going to be
·5· · · ·submitted, though, did you?
·6· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Objection.
·8· ·A.· No.
·9· ·Q.· Okay.
10· ·A.· Not to the town clerk, no.
11· ·Q.· And then after they had been formally submitted to
12· · · ·the Town, you had conversations with individual
13· · · ·board members out --
14· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Hold for a second, please.
15· · · · · · · · ·(Recess taken.)
16· · · · · · · · ·(Roderick O'Shana now present.)
17· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Back on the record.
18· · · · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· You'll have to reiterate
19· · · ·what you asked.
20· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Yes.
22· ·Q.· So after Warrant Articles 27 and 28 had been
23· · · ·submitted to the Town of Haverhill, you had
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·1· · · ·communications or discussions with individual
·2· · · ·members of the board of selectmen that occurred
·3· · · ·outside of, or not during, public meetings;
·5· ·A.· Yup.· Yes.
·6· ·Q.· Is there any written notes or anything that was
·7· · · ·memorialized of those communications?
·8· ·A.· No, they were fairly informal.
·9· ·Q.· What is the process through which the town manager
10· · · ·submits warrant articles to the DRA for the review?
12· ·Q.· You can --
13· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· We are kind of going outside
14· · · ·of the Court's April 4th order limiting it to
15· · · ·issues relevant to the motions for summary judgment
16· · · ·and defendant's opposition thereto.
17· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Okay.· Not surprising, I
18· · · ·disagree because this is exactly the reason why
19· · · ·this was in front of the DRA.· Your client has
20· · · ·stated that it wasn't her fault.· And this is tied
21· · · ·to Exhibit No. 16 of the statement of facts that
22· · · ·relates to the DRA having this on their radar and
23· · · ·credibility of your client.
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·1· · · · · · · · ·So we can move forward.
·3· ·Q.· With respect to those communications there was
·4· · · ·nothing in writing.· You also said that whenever
·5· · · ·the articles, warrant articles that are formally
·6· · · ·submitted to the town clerk, they are sent to the
·7· · · ·DRA for a review process; correct?
·8· ·A.· So warrant articles are submitted to the town
·9· · · ·clerk.
10· ·Q.· Yup.
11· ·A.· She verifies the petitions and the signatures on
12· · · ·the petitions, that they are registered voters, and
13· · · ·then they come over to the town administration
14· · · ·office.· We compile them and they go to the DRA for
15· · · ·a prereview.
16· ·Q.· Okay.· What does the town manager send specifically
17· · · ·to the DRA for the DRA to conduct its review?
18· ·A.· We enter them into the portal, and what you're
19· · · ·entering is the question.
20· ·Q.· Okay.
21· ·A.· Sometimes they ask for the whole petition; it
22· · · ·depends.
23· ·Q.· Okay.· Initially, though, there is a for, for
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·1· · · ·someone in any of the towns in New Hampshire,
·2· · · ·whatever form of government the town has, but
·3· · · ·someone is assigned within the town to log in to
·4· · · ·website into a portal that the DRA has; is that
·6· ·A.· Yes.
·7· ·Q.· Okay.· So then when that employee logs in to DRA's
·8· · · ·website, is it fair to say that an initial phase or
·9· · · ·stage then is for the employee to look at and read
10· · · ·and enter in word for word or verbatim what the
11· · · ·warrant article states?
12· ·A.· It should be word for word whatever the question
13· · · ·is, yes.· The question that the public will be
14· · · ·asked.
15· ·Q.· What happens after that?
16· ·A.· The DRA often comes back and asks questions.· Might
17· · · ·discuss with us the questions being asked.· Because
18· · · ·these are petitions, they are not always worded
19· · · ·legally or correctly.· Some of them, that's usually
20· · · ·when we find out if they are binding or advisory
21· · · ·based on what the question is; that sort of thing.
22· ·Q.· What did you mean by "binding or advisory"?
23· ·A.· When the people vote whether their vote binds the
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·1· · · ·Town to do something or whether it's just advisory;
·2· · · ·whether it's just they get to have a say of how
·3· · · ·they feel about it, but it's not going to actually
·4· · · ·bind us to do anything.
·5· ·Q.· With respect to Warrant Article No. 27, what, if
·6· · · ·anything, did the DRA ask for with respect to
·7· · · ·additional information?
·8· ·A.· They didn't necessarily until after town meeting;
·9· · · ·and then they asked for a lot.
10· ·Q.· And so was it your office or was it you that
11· · · ·provided that additional information?
12· ·A.· After town meeting?
13· ·Q.· Yes.
14· ·A.· It was both myself and Jennifer Boucher.
15· ·Q.· What was that information?
16· ·A.· Oh, goodness.· They asked for 100 years of town
17· · · ·reports.· They asked for, I can't remember
18· · · ·everything.· They asked, there was a lot of
19· · · ·historical information, factual information,
20· · · ·anything we had in our records that they thought
21· · · ·would help them with their evaluation.
22· ·Q.· With respect to Warrant Article 28 --
23· ·A.· The same.
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·1· ·Q.· They asked for the same information or what was,
·2· · · ·what you and Ms. Boucher provided to the department
·3· · · ·applied to both articles?
·4· ·A.· It applied to both articles because when they were,
·5· · · ·when the DRA reached out to us, they weren't being
·6· · · ·specific which article they were asking for that
·7· · · ·information; they just told us what they needed.
·8· · · ·And at the time we weren't even really aware what
·9· · · ·they were looking for or what they were looking at.
10· · · ·They just, they asked for something; we would
11· · · ·provide it.
12· ·Q.· So the request then from DRA did not specify that,
13· · · ·which article they needed the information for; they
14· · · ·just then made a general request for information;
15· · · ·is that correct?
16· ·A.· Yes.
17· ·Q.· Okay.· Other than the information that DRA asked
18· · · ·for after the town meeting and the vote that
19· · · ·approved each of these two articles, what other
20· · · ·communications did you have with DRA with respect
21· · · ·to the warrant articles?
22· ·A.· After town meeting?
23· ·Q.· After town meeting.
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·1· ·A.· Other than providing information, I don't recall.
·2· ·Q.· What about before the town meeting?
·3· ·A.· Before town meeting I had sent email, an email or
·4· · · ·emails to James Gerry regarding those articles and
·5· · · ·that it was the Town's understanding that they
·6· · · ·should be disallowed.
·7· ·Q.· And you stated that it's your belief that there are
·8· · · ·minutes of the board of selectmen that document
·9· · · ·that the board of selectmen asked you to send those
10· · · ·communications over to DRA before the town meeting?
11· ·A.· I don't know if there are, is anything explicit
12· · · ·like that in the minutes, but there were certainly
13· · · ·discussions with the board of selectmen and the
14· · · ·individual board members about the disallowance.
15· ·Q.· And were those discussions, when did those
16· · · ·discussions occur, inside or outside of public town
17· · · ·meetings, public meetings of the board?
18· ·A.· Both.· Not amongst the board members, but board
19· · · ·members and myself.
20· ·Q.· And who were the board members that you had
21· · · ·discussions with that you say was an indication of
22· · · ·the board of selectmen requesting or wanting you as
23· · · ·the town manager to make contact with DRA about
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·1· · · ·these articles that were going to be submitted as
·2· · · ·to whether they were valid or invalid?
·3· ·A.· That would be the chair and the vice chair, so Fred
·4· · · ·Garofalo, Matt Bjelobrk and Howard Hatch.
·5· ·Q.· When was the earliest conversation that you had
·6· · · ·with any of those three?
·7· ·A.· Oh, would have had to have been after the deadline
·8· · · ·for submission of the petition, so sometime in
·9· · · ·mid-February I would think.
10· ·Q.· So between the deadline for the submission of
11· · · ·articles to the Town, but prior to the annual town
12· · · ·meeting?
13· ·A.· Yes.
14· ·Q.· Okay.· And in this situation with respect to
15· · · ·Warrant Articles 27 and 28, that would have been
16· · · ·mid-February of 2022; is that correct?
17· ·A.· Yes.· Yes, I think.· I'd have to go back and check.
18· · · ·I'd have to check.
19· ·Q.· Fairly certain but not absolutely certain?
20· ·A.· I'm pretty sure, yeah.
21· ·Q.· Okay.
22· ·A.· Feels like forever ago.
23· ·Q.· On page 3 of the document that you have in front of
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·1· · · ·you, just about the halfway point there's an email
·2· · · ·from Steve Robbins, still on January 11, 2023,
·3· · · ·11:36 a.m. to you.· Do you see where that email
·4· · · ·begins?
·5· ·A.· I do.
·6· ·Q.· Okay.· And it start out by, Here are my thoughts.
·7· · · ·Steve then writes, We are in crisis, the select
·8· · · ·board hold ultimate responsibility, therefore needs
·9· · · ·to take the lead to get through.
10· · · · · · · · ·Do you see that line?
11· ·A.· I do.
12· ·Q.· Okay.· So back on January 11th of 2023, how does
13· · · ·that statement from Steve Robbins not indicate to
14· · · ·you that the board of selectmen was, as he said,
15· · · ·taking the lead with respect to the DRA tax setting
16· · · ·issue?
17· ·A.· Well, one, individual board members can't make a
18· · · ·statement and have that be an action of the board.
19· ·Q.· Okay.· So who else made a statement similar to that
20· · · ·in substance, meaning the board with respect to
21· · · ·this DRA issue is now taking the lead.· The town
22· · · ·manager is sort of not in the driver's seat, so to
23· · · ·speak, not in control?
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·1· ·A.· It was usually Steve.
·2· ·Q.· Okay.· Who else in addition --
·3· ·A.· I don't recall.· Sorry.
·4· ·Q.· -- with respect to this DRA rate setting issue?
·5· ·A.· I don't recall any of the other board members
·6· · · ·making that statement.
·7· ·Q.· Did you provide him with any reply or any response
·8· · · ·to his statement that it required a full vote or
·9· · · ·anything like that?· What response did you have to
10· · · ·him?
11· ·A.· My response is the email.
12· ·Q.· And that, and that's it?· Just, where in there did
13· · · ·you explain to him that one board member doesn't
14· · · ·bind the entire board of selectmen?
15· ·A.· So in this email I didn't, but at the beginning of
16· · · ·every year after town meeting we go through
17· · · ·standard operating procedures for the board of
18· · · ·selectmen, and it's explicitly pointed out in the
19· · · ·SOPs for the select board that one individual board
20· · · ·member cannot make a decision on their own; it has
21· · · ·to be a formal action of the board in a publicly
22· · · ·warned meeting with a quorum present.
23· ·Q.· And relation to January 11th, when was that review
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·1· · · ·of the standard operating procedures conducted?
·2· ·A.· The last time we would have done that would be
·3· · · ·right after town meeting in 2021.· And it's on the
·4· · · ·select board's website, web page.
·5· ·Q.· So then we would have gone from after town meeting
·6· · · ·2021, which was late February or March?
·7· ·A.· Would have been March.
·8· ·Q.· March?· Okay.
·9· ·A.· Usually the end of March we have our first meeting
10· · · ·where the newly constituted board meets and has
11· · · ·their on-boarding meeting.
12· ·Q.· End of March of 2021, and this is January 11th of
13· · · ·2023.· So as of, as of yet there hadn't been that
14· · · ·review of the standard operating procedures;
16· ·A.· Not for, not until the next March would we do it
17· · · ·again.
18· ·Q.· But otherwise there's no response from you that
19· · · ·conveyed to him that his position that the board of
20· · · ·selectmen needs to take the lead with respect to
21· · · ·the DRA rate setting issue to get through it, you
22· · · ·didn't have any response to him about that;
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·1· ·A.· No.
·2· ·Q.· Okay.· So why was it that you didn't want the board
·3· · · ·of selectmen to be on the lead with respect to the
·4· · · ·DRA rate setting issue?
·5· ·A.· Well, there were a few things that I pointed out in
·6· · · ·my email, and specifically he, the problem we were
·7· · · ·running into is that the board did not fully
·8· · · ·understand or respect the process that had to be
·9· · · ·followed to waive the conflict or not.· You'd have
10· · · ·to go through that conflict check and do your due
11· · · ·diligence for the Town of Haverhill.
12· ·Q.· All right.· And if you could unpack that for me,
13· · · ·explain that a little more how that related to,
14· · · ·relates to why you didn't want the board of
15· · · ·selectmen to take the lead on that rate setting
16· · · ·issue?
17· ·A.· It's not that I didn't want them to take the lead;
18· · · ·it's that we were already working on it, and I was
19· · · ·trying to explain to him and the other board
20· · · ·members what Jennifer and I were already doing with
21· · · ·regard to the tax rate setting matter and what
22· · · ·process we needed to follow.
23· ·Q.· Okay.· And who was working with you, as you said,
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·1· · · ·with respect to the rate setting issue?
·2· ·A.· I was working directly with Jennifer Boucher as the
·3· · · ·assistant town manager, and we were working with
·4· · · ·the DRA and Drummond Woodsum Law Firm.
·5· ·Q.· So as of January 11th what had Drummond Woodsum
·6· · · ·done with respect to the DRA rate setting issue and
·7· · · ·getting it resolved?
·8· ·A.· We were actively involved working with Drummond
·9· · · ·Woodsum Law Firm as well as the DRA on the tax rate
10· · · ·setting matter before that letter came at the end
11· · · ·of December; and we had been working with them on
12· · · ·the tax rate setting matter for weeks because we
13· · · ·already knew there was going to be a delay in the
14· · · ·tax rate because the school had to go through a
15· · · ·procedural defect meeting, which was not going to
16· · · ·happen until the 9th of January.
17· ·Q.· So what had Drummond Woodsum done with respect to
18· · · ·the rate setting issue as of January 11th?
19· ·A.· She had been working with Peter Roth to determine
20· · · ·what was going to happen and when the procedural
21· · · ·defect meeting was going to take place; and she had
22· · · ·set up a meeting between myself, her and Peter Roth
23· · · ·of the DRA to discuss that.
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·1· ·Q.· When was the meeting?
·2· ·A.· Would have been beginning of December, around
·3· · · ·there.
·4· ·Q.· Do you have any record of that meeting, in a
·5· · · ·calendar or on a calendar anywhere?
·6· ·A.· I would have to look.· I would think so, but I
·7· · · ·would have to look.
·8· ·Q.· So I'd like to make a written request to your
·9· · · ·attorney.· And when he receives it, if you'd work
10· · · ·with him to produce that, that would be great.
11· · · · · · · · ·And who was to attend that meeting or who
12· · · ·did attend that meeting?
13· ·A.· It was just Christine Fillmore Johnston of Drummond
14· · · ·Woodsum, myself and Peter Roth of the DRA.· It was
15· · · ·a phone conference.
16· ·Q.· Telephone conference?
17· ·A.· Yes.
18· ·Q.· And what was accomplished during that telephone
19· · · ·conference?
20· ·A.· Just the confirmation that the procedural defect
21· · · ·meeting would happen on January 9th, and that that
22· · · ·would definitely delay the tax rate being set.
23· ·Q.· And what was the procedural defect meeting that the
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·1· · · ·school board had to address?
·2· ·A.· They had received a grant, I believe, and they had
·3· · · ·not held their public hearing properly or they
·4· · · ·hadn't notified it correctly or something like
·5· · · ·that, so they needed to do it over.
·6· ·Q.· And that related to the tax rate setting issuing
·7· · · ·how?
·8· ·A.· Because the town's tax rate is comprised of the
·9· · · ·districts, all the districts, Grafton County and
10· · · ·the state and school tax; and we can't set the
11· · · ·town's tax rate until all those entities have filed
12· · · ·their information and support.
13· ·Q.· Down at the bottom of that third page, the last
14· · · ·three lines, there was an issue, according to this.
15· · · ·What's written here is that the Drummond Woodsum
16· · · ·was having some kind of delay or problem and they
17· · · ·as the board as it's stated here, was deciding to
18· · · ·assign all of the cases of the case with a new firm
19· · · ·immediately.· Do you see that?
20· ·A.· I do.
21· ·Q.· What is your recollection of what that was about
22· · · ·and what became of it?
23· ·A.· That was in relation to the delay on, that was
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·1· · · ·representative of previous minutes we just
·2· · · ·discussed, and that Steve not understanding the
·3· · · ·process and not understanding the variety of
·4· · · ·lawyers we use or what we use them for, that he
·5· · · ·thought it was going to be simple to just produce a
·6· · · ·list and terminate a law firm.
·7· · · · · · · · ·And after we discussed that at length
·8· · · ·further, they understood we use various law firms
·9· · · ·for a variety of different things, not just one
10· · · ·thing.
11· ·Q.· And when was that discussion had?
12· ·A.· I believe we, I think it is reflected in a set of
13· · · ·minutes after this (indicating).
14· ·Q.· So it would have been a public meeting after
15· · · ·January, or maybe even --
16· ·A.· It would have.
17· ·Q.· -- a nonpublic session anyways of a meeting after
18· · · ·January 11th?
19· ·A.· Yes.· Yes.· I remember we had a very explicit
20· · · ·discussion about law firms, what we use law firms
21· · · ·for and why you don't just terminate a law firm.
22· · · ·And discussing why you wouldn't need to necessarily
23· · · ·terminate Drummond Woodsum simply because they need
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·1· · · ·a little more time to process a conflict waiver.
·2· ·Q.· And they had initially stated that they weren't
·3· · · ·able to continue to represent the Town with respect
·4· · · ·to the tax rate setting issue; correct?
·7· ·A.· Until they cleared the conflict.
·8· ·Q.· Okay.
·9· ·A.· It took a few days.
10· ·Q.· What were the board's feelings as far as what
11· · · ·Drummond Woodsum said that it was going to do and
12· · · ·get accomplished and Drummond Woodsum not coming
13· · · ·through on that or delivering that?
14· ·A.· That's reflected in the January 9th meeting
16· ·Q.· The number on the sticker?
17· ·A.· It's Exhibit 2.
18· ·Q.· On Exhibit 2?
19· ·A.· Yeah, this is where they first expressed that they
20· · · ·were concerned about Drummond Woodsum because
21· · · ·Drummond Woodsum had not produced the letter.
22· ·Q.· Okay.· And what did the board members say about
23· · · ·getting a different law firm other than Drummond
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·1· · · ·Woodsum because it was a time-sensitive issue?
·2· ·A.· So they asked Jennifer Boucher and I at this
·3· · · ·January 9th meeting to reach out to DTC attorneys
·4· · · ·specifically, to which we thought was strange that
·5· · · ·they cited an attorney, to see if DTC could clear
·6· · · ·their conflicts if Drummond couldn't.
·7· ·Q.· And what is your understanding and your assessment
·8· · · ·with respect to the board of selectmen having the
·9· · · ·recollection that the decision was to actually go
10· · · ·with DTC, not just for town administration to,
11· · · ·quote/unquote, to reach out to DTC?
12· ·A.· What do I think about that?
13· ·Q.· Yeah.· What's your recollection of it?· What's your
14· · · ·understanding of it?
15· ·A.· My recollection is exactly as it's reflected in the
17· ·Q.· Okay.
18· ·A.· Because I know what they asked me to do.· And the
19· · · ·fact that I sent an email to Chris Boldt at DTC
20· · · ·that very night exhibits that I did exactly what
21· · · ·they asked me to do, which was to reach out to DTC.
22· ·Q.· So you then disagree with the position that the
23· · · ·members of the board of selectmen have, that their
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·1· · · ·intent was to actually hire at that moment in time
·2· · · ·DTC Lawyers?
·3· ·A.· I don't want to speculate what their, what at that
·4· · · ·point their intent was because I know what the
·5· · · ·motion was, which was very different than what they
·6· · · ·after the fact stated their intent was.
·7· ·Q.· Okay.· But your understanding back when the motion
·8· · · ·was made, your understanding was to only
·9· · · ·communicate with.· You don't, you didn't understand
10· · · ·it that the board members wanted you to move
11· · · ·forward and actually retain DTC Lawyers; correct?
12· ·A.· Absolutely.· There was no indication that at that
13· · · ·point in time they wanted us to actually hire a
14· · · ·different law firm.
15· ·Q.· What matters in addition to or other than the DRA
16· · · ·tax rate setting issue did the board either want to
17· · · ·hire DTC Lawyers or hire DTC Lawyers to address?
18· ·A.· They didn't want to hire DTC for anything at that
19· · · ·point.· We were already using DTC attorneys for
20· · · ·utility matters, which is what we had historically
21· · · ·used them for.
22· ·Q.· In an email that you had with Attorney Christopher
23· · · ·Boldt you had indicated that you had confidence
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·1· · · ·that they could do a good job on the DRA tax
·2· · · ·rating, tax setting issue because of working with
·3· · · ·them in the past; is that what you're referring to?
·6· ·A.· At that time I had no idea Chris Hawkins worked for
·7· · · ·DTC attorneys, and I have good relations with Chris
·8· · · ·Boldt.· He had served us well for utility matters.
·9· ·Q.· Were you involved in or did you attend the
10· · · ·nonpublic sessions of the board of selectmen in
11· · · ·early January?
12· ·A.· No.
13· ·Q.· Do you know why?
14· ·A.· No, they were excluding us from almost everything
15· · · ·at that point.
16· ·Q.· And who was "us" when you refer to us?
17· ·A.· Jennifer Boucher and I.· Town administration.
18· ·Q.· When did you come to understand or realize what the
19· · · ·explanation was for not including you, or as you
20· · · ·put it, excluding you, from those nonpublic
21· · · ·sessions in early January?
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·1· ·A.· It would have been after the board of 2023 was
·2· · · ·constituted and they made the decision to request
·3· · · ·all information from the DTC law firm that they had
·4· · · ·in their possession related to anything that had to
·5· · · ·do with Haverhill.
·6· ·Q.· Okay.· And did you have an opportunity to go
·7· · · ·through that information?
·8· ·A.· All of it.
·9· ·Q.· Okay.· And what did that information say with
10· · · ·respect to why the board of selectmen back in
11· · · ·January of 2022, as you put it was excluding both
12· · · ·you and Ms. Boucher from those nonpublic meetings?
13· ·A.· Because ultimately their goal was to just fire me.
14· ·Q.· Based upon your review of those documents that were
15· · · ·received, why was the board seeking or looking to
16· · · ·fire you as far as, again, what you gathered from
17· · · ·your review of those documents?
18· ·A.· My opinion again or ...
19· ·Q.· What you got from those documents?· What did those
20· · · ·documents say?
21· ·A.· I didn't get a lot from those documents other than
22· · · ·the fact that certain board members just came into
23· · · ·office wanting, with the goal of wanting to fire
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·1· · · ·the town manager.
·2· ·Q.· So there wasn't any reason for it?
·3· ·A.· Their reason, there wasn't any good reasons.· There
·4· · · ·were some, there was some information tied to
·5· · · ·Article 27 and 28 and their displeasure with the
·6· · · ·fact that the board of 2021 and previous boards to
·7· · · ·that were oppositional to the Woodsville Fire
·8· · · ·District and the funding of Woodsville Highway and
·9· · · ·Fire.
10· ·Q.· Was it, who in the board or who was on the board
11· · · ·that you're understanding were looking to fire you
12· · · ·at that point?
13· ·A.· From those documents?
14· ·Q.· Yes.
15· ·A.· Kevin Knapp definitely, but also Steve Robbins and
16· · · ·Katie.
17· ·Q.· Okay.
18· ·A.· Little bit of Mike, but he was pretty good at not
19· · · ·responding to things clearly.
20· ·Q.· And which of those three people, because you named
21· · · ·three with certainty, Steve Robbin, Kevin Knapp,
22· · · ·Katie Williams, which of those three board members
23· · · ·have a connection to or with Woodsville Village
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·1· · · ·District?
·2· ·A.· All of them.
·3· ·Q.· Okay.· How does Steve Robbins have a connection?
·4· ·A.· He lives in Woodsville Fire District, has a
·5· · · ·business in the Woodsville Fire District, and he
·6· · · ·works for the Woodsville Fire District as does most
·7· · · ·of his family.
·8· ·Q.· Okay.· What information or evidence is there that
·9· · · ·his connection in and to Woodsville actually had a
10· · · ·bearing on his actions and communications as a
11· · · ·member of the board of selectmen in 2022?
12· ·A.· That I witnessed?
13· ·Q.· That you know of.
14· ·A.· Well, for example, going to the Woodsville Fire
15· · · ·District to sign documents instead of the town
16· · · ·hall.
17· ·Q.· Okay.
18· ·A.· When he would refer to situations, he would say
19· · · ·"we," and when he said we, he meant the Woodsville
20· · · ·Fire District.· He would go to Woodsville Fire
21· · · ·District meetings and in the minutes is represented
22· · · ·as speaking on behalf of Woodsville Fire District
23· · · ·against the Town; for example, at an annual meeting
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·1· · · ·he's quoted as saying he would never work for the
·2· · · ·Town of Haverhill, and the Town of Haverhill would
·3· · · ·never be an entity that he would be associated
·4· · · ·with.
·5· · · · · · · · ·There were lots of examples of him being
·6· · · ·biased.· That's while he was on the board.
·7· ·Q.· So as far as signing, you said signing documents in
·8· · · ·or at the Woodsville Village District office, how
·9· · · ·does that have a bearing on his impartiality?
10· ·A.· Because he signed an engagement letter for the Town
11· · · ·of Haverhill as a representative of the Haverhill
12· · · ·Select Board on a Sunday in the Woodsville Fire
13· · · ·District office at the same time as district
14· · · ·commissioners.· It had never, it doesn't happen
15· · · ·like that.
16· ·Q.· How is that an indication of a lack of
17· · · ·impartiality?· Is there some proscription against
18· · · ·signing documents on Sundays?
19· ·A.· In an official capacity of a town official in a
20· · · ·district office in a matter that is between
21· · · ·Woodsville and Haverhill?· I don't know.· It seemed
22· · · ·from everybody's perspective that I have ever heard
23· · · ·from, that seemed odd.
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·1· ·Q.· What was the document that he signed?
·2· ·A.· The engagement letter.
·3· ·Q.· What's in the, who drafted it?· Who generated the
·4· · · ·document that he signed?
·5· ·A.· It's my understanding from the documents we
·6· · · ·received from DTC that Christopher Hawkins produced
·7· · · ·that document.
·8· ·Q.· Okay.· Is there, what is there for a requirement
·9· · · ·that documents relating to the Town of Haverhill
10· · · ·have to be signed in Town of Haverhill's office?
11· ·A.· There's no proscription.· It's just historical.
12· · · ·It's just the way that it's done.· Usually the
13· · · ·documents come to the town office, they are signed
14· · · ·in the town office and they leave from the town
15· · · ·office.
16· ·Q.· Okay.
17· ·A.· So that they stay in our custody and control.
18· ·Q.· Okay.· What about that document is evidence of or
19· · · ·indication of his lack of impartiality with respect
20· · · ·to the Town of Haverhill?
21· ·A.· Well, directly that there is no evidence that there
22· · · ·was ever a public meeting or a quorum of the board.
23· · · ·And there's no minute on record that ever gave him
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·1· · · ·authority to even sign the document.
·2· ·Q.· What was the scope of legal representation for that
·3· · · ·document to hire DTC Lawyers?
·4· ·A.· What was the scope of the agreement?
·5· ·Q.· Yeah, what subject matters, what things did the
·6· · · ·board hire DTC to do?
·7· ·A.· The, what was in the final engagement letter?
·8· ·Q.· The one that he signed.
·9· ·A.· Was that, I'd have to go back and look at the
10· · · ·document, but I believe it was in general the tax
11· · · ·rate setting matter and personnel matters.
12· ·Q.· And the personnel matters related to who?
13· ·A.· It didn't specify.
14· ·Q.· Okay.
15· ·A.· And that was added to that in the iterations of
16· · · ·that engagement letter that were produced.
17· ·Q.· Okay.· Is there, what, if any, indication that the
18· · · ·document was revised has anything to do with, I
19· · · ·guess, an allegation that he was not impartial with
20· · · ·respect to the Town of Haverhill?
21· ·A.· The statement that it was revised is just that you
22· · · ·had asked about personnel matters, and that
23· · · ·particular subject was added to a later iteration
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·1· · · ·of the letter.
·2· ·Q.· Okay.· Why is it unusual or abnormal that a
·3· · · ·document would go through revisions?
·4· ·A.· Documents do go through revisions, but usually when
·5· · · ·you're producing a document like that, you know
·6· · · ·what your scope is; you know why you're being, why
·7· · · ·you're looking for an attorney.
·8· ·Q.· But it's not uncommon for documents to be revised
·9· · · ·and things to be added or subtracted; correct?
10· ·A.· Yeah, that's true.
11· ·Q.· Okay.· With respect to Woodsville Fire
12· · · ·District/Village District and the meetings that you
13· · · ·talked about, he I guess was recorded or quoted as
14· · · ·saying he would never work for the Town of
15· · · ·Haverhill.· What does that have to do with or what
16· · · ·bearing does that have to do, as far as you see it,
17· · · ·with his role as a member of the board of selectmen
18· · · ·for Haverhill?
19· ·A.· If, the minutes I'm talking about are the annual
20· · · ·meeting minutes for the District of Woodsville and
21· · · ·his attendance there and the statements made were
22· · · ·derogatory with regard to the Town of Haverhill,
23· · · ·which he was serving on as a, on the board of
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·1· · · ·selectmen at the time.· That shows bias.
·2· ·Q.· Okay.· How does that show bias as far as he would
·3· · · ·never work for the Town of Haverhill?· What did he
·4· · · ·mean by that?
·5· ·A.· I don't want to infer on what he meant by that.· It
·6· · · ·was just derogatory and negative.
·7· ·Q.· Okay.· Why is it derogatory or negative for someone
·8· · · ·to say I wouldn't work for that particular employer
·9· · · ·or that particular employer or that company?
10· ·A.· There was more to the statement, so I would have to
11· · · ·go back and pull the minutes.
12· ·Q.· Okay.· Do you recall what there was for more to the
13· · · ·statements?
14· ·A.· I don't remember his exact words, but it was very
15· · · ·derogatory to the town that he was representing on
16· · · ·the board.
17· ·Q.· Okay.· But you don't recall how or why it was
18· · · ·interrogatory?
19· ·A.· I have to read the statements.· It's in the
20· · · ·minutes.· And there's more than that.· He's also
21· · · ·made statements in the newspaper that were
22· · · ·derogatory toward the town that he was serving.
23· ·Q.· And what were those comments that he made?
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·1· ·A.· I'd have to go back to the newspapers and pull
·2· · · ·them.
·3· ·Q.· So you don't remember?
·4· ·A.· I don't remember the exact statements.
·5· ·Q.· So how do you remember that the statements that he
·6· · · ·made were derogatory, then?
·7· ·A.· Because they were offensive.
·8· ·Q.· In what way?
·9· ·A.· In general.· Not just to me, but, and it wasn't
10· · · ·about me; it was about the Town of Haverhill.
11· ·Q.· But you don't recall what he said or what it was
12· · · ·relating to?
13· ·A.· I would have to go back and find the minutes and
14· · · ·find the news article.
15· ·Q.· Okay.· So as you understood it, back in beginning
16· · · ·of January 2023 with respect to Chris Hawkins, how
17· · · ·did DTC, the law firm, have a conflict of interest
18· · · ·because of Chris Hawkins being employed there?
19· ·A.· Why would I see that as a conflict, is that the
20· · · ·question?
21· ·Q.· I'm asking how did DTC as a law firm have a
22· · · ·conflict of interest with Chris Hawkins being
23· · · ·employed or a partner there, being an attorney in
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·1· · · ·DTC Lawyers January of 2023?
·2· ·A.· So as far as DTC attorneys, the fact that Chris
·3· · · ·Hawkins was on staff was not necessarily, didn't
·4· · · ·create a conflict that was insuperable.· And we
·5· · · ·made it clear that it was Chris Hawkins that could
·6· · · ·not clear conflicts and that Chris Hawkins should
·7· · · ·not be involved if the Town was to hire DTC
·8· · · ·attorneys.
·9· ·Q.· So back in January of 2023 with the board of
10· · · ·selectmen acting that they had retained or hired
11· · · ·DTC to represent the Town in connection with the
12· · · ·DRA tax rate setting matter, what about DTC
13· · · ·addressing or working on that tax rate setting
14· · · ·matter would involve or implicate the Woodsville
15· · · ·litigation?
18· ·A.· So the tax rate setting matter was directly
19· · · ·connected to Articles 27 and 28; and like I said
20· · · ·earlier, the Articles 27 and 28 was directly tied
21· · · ·to the funding by the Town of the Woodsville Fire
22· · · ·District's operations, which was tied to the
23· · · ·litigation and the changes to legislation.· It was
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·1· · · ·all connected.
·2· · · · · · · · ·And because of that, Chris Hawkins had
·3· · · ·litigated against the Town.· At the time this
·4· · · ·started we were still at the tail end of settlement
·5· · · ·for the litigation itself.· Article 27 and 28 had
·6· · · ·already surfaced as an issue, and so it was all
·7· · · ·tied, all tied together.
·8· ·Q.· Articles 27, Warrant Articles 27 and 28 did not
·9· · · ·relate to the same dollars or the same dollar
10· · · ·amounts as what was involved in Woodsville's
11· · · ·lawsuit against Town of Haverhill, right?
14· ·A.· It was over the same issue, which was the Town of
15· · · ·Haverhill funding Woodsville's operations for fire
16· · · ·and highway using Haverhill tax dollars.· It was
17· · · ·the same legal issue.
18· ·Q.· Okay.· But it wasn't the same dollar amount; it
19· · · ·wasn't the same, sort of, pot of money, if you
20· · · ·will, that Woodsville had brought the lawsuit
21· · · ·against the Town of Haverhill for, though?
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·1· ·A.· It wasn't the same, it wasn't the same litigation;
·2· · · ·it wasn't the same lawsuit.
·3· ·Q.· Right.· And then there was, you know, legislation,
·4· · · ·as you put it, there was a bill, there was an act,
·5· · · ·and it was signed into law?
·7· ·Q.· And then, I almost said well after that, but after
·8· · · ·that Warrant Articles 27 and 28 were submitted by
·9· · · ·Woodsville to the town clerk to get put on the
10· · · ·ballot for the town, annual town meeting; correct?
11· ·A.· Yes.
12· ·Q.· All right.· And those two articles, Article 27 and
13· · · ·28, had different amounts in them than what was
14· · · ·involved in the lawsuit; correct?
15· ·A.· Yes.
16· ·Q.· Okay.· And Articles 27 and 28 were the result of or
17· · · ·came out of what was put into, what was signed into
18· · · ·law; correct?
21· ·A.· What they believed was included in law, yes.
22· ·Q.· They believe, what they submitted as Warrant
23· · · ·Articles 27 and 28 the proponents of, or who
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·1· · · ·submitted it, believed that the basis for those two
·2· · · ·warrant articles was provided for right in the act?
·3· ·A.· Woodsville Fire District believed that, yes.
·4· ·Q.· Okay.· So what, as your understanding is, what
·5· · · ·would Chris Hawkins in January of 2023 have done in
·6· · · ·connection with the DRA rate setting issue that
·7· · · ·would have involved the legislation, sorry, the
·8· · · ·lawsuit that Woodsville brought against Haverhill
·9· · · ·that already had been settled?
10· ·A.· So the negotiations and the settlement agreement
11· · · ·had been agreed to, but the final payment had not
12· · · ·been made yet on, if we are just talking about with
13· · · ·the lawsuit, and if we had failed to make that
14· · · ·second payment, we would have ended up back in
15· · · ·court over the same matter.· So technically that
16· · · ·situation was not concluded yet.
17· ·Q.· That second of two payments; correct?
18· ·A.· That would have finalized that litigation, yes.
19· ·Q.· But the lawsuit itself had been resolved, had been
20· · · ·settled; correct?
21· ·A.· There had been a settlement negotiated.
22· ·Q.· Okay.· And there had been --
23· ·A.· And a settlement agreement had been agreed to, yes.
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·1· ·Q.· Okay.· And the, what's referred to as docket
·2· · · ·markings are an agreement for the docket to be
·3· · · ·marked as settled and closed, that document had
·4· · · ·been filed with the court?
·5· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Objection.· Form?
·6· ·A.· I don't remember the date that was filed.
·7· ·Q.· Okay.· If it was or if that document had been filed
·8· · · ·with the court on or before, you know, January 12th
·9· · · ·of 2023, that lawsuit would be closed and done;
13· ·A.· Okay.· That particular lawsuit, yes.
14· ·Q.· All right.· So is there, based upon your
15· · · ·understanding of things and your position, is there
16· · · ·anything that, any issue, any matter, is there
17· · · ·anything that Chris Hawkins while working at DTC
18· · · ·could represent the Town of Haverhill on or in?
19· ·A.· Anything not related to the Woodsville Fire
20· · · ·District and the fire district funding by the Town
21· · · ·of Haverhill.
22· ·Q.· Okay.· If Chris Hawkins performed any legal work or
23· · · ·legal services on behalf of the Town of Haverhill
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·1· · · ·in connection with the DRA rate setting issue or
·2· · · ·problem, how would he have been interacting or
·3· · · ·going up against, as the phrase is used, Woodsville
·4· · · ·Village District?
·5· ·A.· Say that again.
·6· ·Q.· Yeah.· In connection with the DRA tax rate setting
·7· · · ·issue, Chris Hawkins wouldn't have had to go up
·8· · · ·against or interact with Woodsville Village
·9· · · ·District; it was Peter Roth or people at the DRA;
11· ·A.· Directly, yes.
12· ·Q.· Okay.· Is there any indication that he would have
13· · · ·had to have, go up against or interact with
14· · · ·Woodsville Village District in connection with the
15· · · ·DRA tax rate setting issue?
16· ·A.· It was possible.
17· ·Q.· How?
18· ·A.· Because the board of selectmen who are able to file
19· · · ·appeals related to the tax rate, and one of the
20· · · ·things that the Woodsville Fire District was
21· · · ·attempting to do was appeal the town's tax rate
22· · · ·because of the tax rate setting matter being
23· · · ·identified and pointing right at Article 27 and 28
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·1· · · ·related to the Woodsville Fire District.
·2· ·Q.· So who in that, in what you just explained, who,
·3· · · ·then, would have been filing or who would have
·4· · · ·filed that appeal?
·5· ·A.· It would have been my office on behalf of the board
·6· · · ·of selectmen.
·7· ·Q.· Okay.· And if that happened, then there would have
·8· · · ·been a conflict of interest?
·9· ·A.· No, I think that there was a conflict of interest
10· · · ·because of Chris Hawkins' previous and previous
11· · · ·connections to the Woodsville lawsuit; and then of
12· · · ·course the Articles 27 and 28 and everything else
13· · · ·that came from that.
14· ·Q.· Okay.· And you see those as --
15· ·A.· Interconnected.
16· ·Q.· -- directly connected one to the other, sort of
17· · · ·going back in a timeline; is that correct?
18· ·A.· They all overlapped.· They each overlapped and they
19· · · ·were all interconnected because they all related to
20· · · ·the same funding matter.
21· ·Q.· Okay.
22· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Are we switching gears here?
23· · · ·Are we at a good time to take a break?
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·1· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· We can if you need to, want
·2· · · ·to.
·3· · · · · · · · ·(Recess taken.)
·4· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Back on the record.
·6· ·Q.· Ms. Codling, we broke for lunch.· We are back on
·7· · · ·the record.· You're still under oath and we will
·8· · · ·pick up with your deposition.
·9· · · · · · · · ·In connection with question that I asked
10· · · ·you before about whether the lawsuit between
11· · · ·Woodsville and the Town of Haverhill, you at that
12· · · ·point in time said that you couldn't recall.· In
13· · · ·your affidavit to the motion for summary judgment,
14· · · ·paragraph 14, you wrote and attested to, In May
15· · · ·2022, the Woodsville litigation was conditionally
16· · · ·settled requiring Haverhill to make future payments
17· · · ·to Woodsville.· May of 2022 that sound accurate?
18· ·A.· Yes.
19· ·Q.· Okay.· With respect to your role as town manager
20· · · ·and your understanding of the board of selectmen
21· · · ·delegating over to you the role and responsibility
22· · · ·for handling or making decisions with respect to
23· · · ·legal matters relating to Woodsville, your
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·1· · · ·understanding is that you had the ability to sign
·2· · · ·contracts and waive any conflicts of interest, or
·3· · · ·those sorts of things.· That assignment wouldn't
·4· · · ·also have included you having a responsibility for
·5· · · ·signing a contract to retain either an attorney or
·6· · · ·a law firm in connection with any review of your
·7· · · ·performance or an employment issue or terminating
·8· · · ·your employment with the Town.
·9· · · · · · · · ·That is delegation from the board of
10· · · ·selectmen regarding legal matters related to
11· · · ·Woodsville wouldn't also have included that role as
12· · · ·far as hiring a law firm to review your employment
13· · · ·and give advice as to terminating you or not; would
14· · · ·it have?
16· ·Q.· Go ahead.
17· ·A.· So normally that would have been delegated, most of
18· · · ·that would have been delegated to Jennifer Boucher.
19· ·Q.· Okay.· And that's what I was going to ask.· So if
20· · · ·not you, especially when something is looking right
21· · · ·back at that employee, it goes, generally the
22· · · ·flowchart, if you will, it would go somewhere; so
23· · · ·where would that have been gone?· It would have
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·1· · · ·fell to the assistant town manager when the town
·2· · · ·had that form of government?
·3· ·A.· Yes, normally.· So it was, yeah.· It would go to
·4· · · ·Jennifer Boucher --
·5· ·Q.· Okay.
·6· ·A.· As the assistant town manager for just me.
·7· ·Q.· Right.· And I'm presuming back when the town had
·8· · · ·that form the government, if the board of selectmen
·9· · · ·were focused on terminating, getting legal advice
10· · · ·and terminating the assistant town manager, signing
11· · · ·of the contract still would have been with you?
12· ·A.· No, it would have remained with Jennifer Boucher.
13· ·Q.· Even if the board of selectmen wanted legal advice
14· · · ·regarding whether to terminate the assistant town
15· · · ·manager?
16· ·A.· If it was the assistant town manager, it would have
17· · · ·been on me.
18· ·Q.· Okay.
19· ·A.· And so in this regard, Jennifer Boucher would work
20· · · ·with the Mitchell Municipal Group and our HR
21· · · ·attorney, Naomi Butterfield, who we already had on
22· · · ·retainer.
23· ·Q.· Okay.· So when the town had the town manager form
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·1· · · ·of government, who, if anybody, could the board of
·2· · · ·selectmen have had the power to retain to provide
·3· · · ·legal advice about your employment and whether or
·4· · · ·not to terminate you?
·5· ·A.· Can you state that again?
·6· ·Q.· With respect to the board of selectmen back when
·7· · · ·the town had town manager form of government, who
·8· · · ·or did the board of selectmen have any power to go
·9· · · ·out on its own and retain legal counsel to provide
10· · · ·legal advice as to whether or not to take any
11· · · ·action with respect to the town manager, whether it
12· · · ·was you or not in that role?
13· ·A.· I would say they could have in a publicly warned
14· · · ·meeting voted to retain an attorney for the purpose
15· · · ·for of performance matters if we weren't already
16· · · ·engaged with an HR attorney at another law firm.
17· ·Q.· Okay.· Is there any other type or what other type
18· · · ·of meeting could the board of selectmen in that
19· · · ·scenario with a town manager form of government,
20· · · ·what other type of meeting, if any, could the board
21· · · ·of selectmen have voted to hire a lawyer to provide
22· · · ·it with legal counsel regarding whether or not to
23· · · ·terminate or fire the town manager?
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·1· ·A.· To make a motion and take a formal action it would
·2· · · ·have had to have been a publicly warned meeting.
·3· ·Q.· So that isn't something that the board of selectmen
·4· · · ·could have done in a nonpublic session?
·5· ·A.· That's a publicly warned meeting, yup.
·6· ·Q.· But in a public session of a public meeting,
·7· · · ·though?
·8· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Objection to form.
·9· ·Q.· Sorry, nonpublic.
10· ·A.· No.· I'm not sure exactly.
11· · · · · · · · ·MR. LEHMANN:· The question is a double
12· · · ·negative.
13· ·Q.· Yeah, so it would have, the board of selectmen
14· · · ·would have had to do it during a public meeting,
15· · · ·but because of 91-A or something else, they would
16· · · ·have done it during a nonpublic session?
17· ·A.· Typically they would discuss in a nonpublic
18· · · ·session, come out into a public session and make a
19· · · ·motion to do something like that so it was on the
20· · · ·record.
21· ·Q.· Okay.· And is that the only way in which the board
22· · · ·of selectmen with that form of government could
23· · · ·have done it?
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·1· ·A.· That's my understanding, yes.
·2· ·Q.· And with respect to the DRA tax rate setting issue,
·3· · · ·how much of the Town of Haverhill did it affect?
·4· ·A.· All of Haverhill.
·5· ·Q.· And that would have or did include the separate
·6· · · ·special-purpose districts?
·7· ·A.· They are all within the Town of Haverhill, yep.
·8· ·Q.· When did the Town, if ever, pay Drummond Woodsum
·9· · · ·invoices for the legal services that it provided in
10· · · ·connection with the DRA tax setting issue?
11· ·A.· When did we pay them?
12· ·Q.· Yeah.· Well, the town, yes?
13· ·A.· I would have to see the invoices and look at the
14· · · ·pay requisition.
15· ·Q.· Do you know if the Town has paid all of them?
16· ·A.· For Drummond Woodsum?
17· ·Q.· Yes.
18· ·A.· Yes.
19· ·Q.· I will give you a document that was labeled as
20· · · ·Exhibit 31 to the Town's Motions for Summary
21· · · ·Judgment.· Just take a look at that and let me know
22· · · ·when you're done.· Let me know and we will mark it
23· · · ·with an exhibit sticker.
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·3· ·Q.· So you just had a chance to look at the two-page
·4· · · ·document that's been marked as Exhibit 4 to your
·5· · · ·deposition; correct?
·6· ·A.· Yes.
·7· ·Q.· And this is an email at the top from Christopher
·8· · · ·Hawkins to Lynnette Macomber is dated January 13,
·9· · · ·2023?
10· ·A.· Yes.
11· ·Q.· Okay.· Further down there is an email string or
12· · · ·chain.· Further down there is a different email
13· · · ·below that, which is from Peter Roth at New
14· · · ·Hampshire DRA, and it was also January 13, 2023,
15· · · ·but at 5:34 p.m., and it's addressed to Eric Maher
16· · · ·and CC'd to Chris Hawkins; do you see that?
17· ·A.· I do.
18· ·Q.· Okay.· And it appears to be it was also sent to and
19· · · ·addressed to a Laura Lombardi at New Hampshire
20· · · ·Department of Justice, or the AG's office, and then
21· · · ·to another attorney, a third attorney, Chris
22· · · ·Hawkins, and then the fourth attorney Briana
23· · · ·Matuszko.· Do you see that?
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·1· ·A.· I do.
·2· ·Q.· Okay.· And down at the body of that message it
·3· · · ·indicates that on Tuesday, January 17, 2023, the
·4· · · ·department, or DRA as we've been referring to them,
·5· · · ·intends to set the tax rate.· That's the tax
·6· · · ·setting rate that we have been talking about?
·8· ·Q.· And do you have any idea why Peter Roth at DRA only
·9· · · ·sent this to lawyers at DTC and not any at Drummond
10· · · ·Woodsum?
11· ·A.· The knowledge that I have related to that was just
12· · · ·that Chris Hawkins had been insistent that the DRA
13· · · ·communicate with them about the town's tax rate.
14· ·Q.· Okay.· Peter Roth was also, had received
15· · · ·communications from the attorneys at Drummond
16· · · ·Woodsum as well, I understand, right?
17· ·A.· Peter Roth was working pretty closely with Drummond
18· · · ·Woodsum on our behalf.
19· ·Q.· Okay.· But you don't know why Peter didn't also CC
20· · · ·them when they are letting them know that the DRA
21· · · ·is going to be setting the tax rate?
22· ·A.· I don't know why with this particular email, no.
23· ·Q.· Okay.· When, if ever, did any representation, legal
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·1· · · ·representation that Drummond Woodsum carried out or
·2· · · ·performed for the Town of Haverhill in connection
·3· · · ·with the tax setting issue, when, if ever, did
·4· · · ·Drummond Woodsum have to take the position or
·5· · · ·advance the position that the Woodsville either
·6· · · ·Fire District, Woodsville Village District didn't
·7· · · ·legally exist?· Did that ever happen?
·8· ·A.· From my experience none of us ever said that.
·9· ·Q.· Did Drummond Woodsum ever have to advance that or
10· · · ·make that argument?
11· ·A.· No.
12· ·Q.· Okay.· Did the Town of Haverhill ever ask Drummond
13· · · ·Woodsum to advance that argument or make that
14· · · ·argument?
15· ·A.· No.
16· ·Q.· Okay.· And certainly not in connectin with, just to
17· · · ·be clear, not in connection with the work that it
18· · · ·performed in connection with the DRA tax rate
19· · · ·setting?
20· ·A.· Nope.
21· ·Q.· Okay.· On January 13th of 2023, Ms. Boucher sent an
22· · · ·email to Attorney Maher at DTC in which she
23· · · ·explained that both you and she were in the town
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·1· · · ·offices and Mr. Garofalo came in.· There was a
·2· · · ·discussion about hiring or retaining DTC in
·3· · · ·connection with the tax rate setting issue.
·4· · · · · · · · ·And according to this email, Mr. Garofalo
·5· · · ·stated that the board had not hired or retained DTC
·6· · · ·in connection with that issue.· Do you, first of
·7· · · ·all, did that conversation occur as you recall?
·8· ·A.· Yes.
·9· ·Q.· So you were present for it?
10· ·A.· I was.
11· ·Q.· Okay.· How did that whole conversation come about?
12· · · ·Just take us back to that moment.
13· ·A.· Yup.· So at that time Fred was coming in the office
14· · · ·quite frequently, just checking in, and he had
15· · · ·always done that since the day I was hired.
16· · · · · · · · ·And so in regards to that, he came in to
17· · · ·just kind of vent to us his frustration of what was
18· · · ·going on, and we brought up to him the question
19· · · ·because of the Cinde Warmington phone call we had
20· · · ·received where she had stated that Chris Hawkins
21· · · ·was our attorney, which was the first we had heard
22· · · ·that.
23· · · · · · · · ·And so we pointedly ask the chair of the
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·1· · · ·select board, which he was at the time, Did you or
·2· · · ·did you not take action to retain DTC, and he said
·3· · · ·absolutely not.· Continuing working with Drummond
·4· · · ·Woodsum.
·5· ·Q.· Okay.· Was that the end of the conversation and
·6· · · ·what he said?
·7· ·A.· That was the gist, the most substantive statements
·8· · · ·that he made, but he was frustrated with the board
·9· · · ·at that point.
10· ·Q.· Okay.· Do you recall when you found out or you
11· · · ·discovered that the board of selectmen was looking
12· · · ·at or considering terminating you in the position
13· · · ·as town manager?
14· ·A.· I didn't find out about that until we acquired all
15· · · ·the documents from Drummond Woodsum in 2023.
16· ·Q.· What do you mean when you acquired the documents,
17· · · ·from where?
18· ·A.· The board of selectmen made the, took action to get
19· · · ·all of the documents Drummond Woodsum had in their
20· · · ·possession is where that became explicitly clear to
21· · · ·me that that's what the board had been trying to
22· · · ·do.
23· ·Q.· A request to Drummond Woodsum?
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·1· ·A.· No, sorry, DTC.
·2· ·Q.· Just wanted to make sure --
·3· ·A.· Another D word.· That's why there was that look on
·4· · · ·your face.
·5· ·Q.· Yeah.
·6· ·A.· DTC.· The board of 2023 made the request for
·7· · · ·documents.· That's when I became acutely aware and
·8· · · ·had evidence that that's what they were trying to
·9· · · ·do.
10· ·Q.· Okay.· So after the board of selectmen made a
11· · · ·request to DTC for a complete copy of the file of
12· · · ·whatever kind of request it was, and DTC produced a
13· · · ·copy of those documents, do you know if they went
14· · · ·initially went back to the board of selectmen or to
15· · · ·your office?· Where did they come in from or ...
16· ·A.· They were mailed to the town administration office
17· · · ·in big boxes.
18· ·Q.· Okay.· So did someone point the boxes out in the
19· · · ·hallway to you or something like that that these
20· · · ·things had come in?· In whose office?· Who was the
21· · · ·one to receive them?
22· ·A.· It would have been the front desk clerk.
23· ·Q.· Okay.· Do you know where they went and who looked
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·1· · · ·at them after that?
·2· ·A.· They went into my office and Jennifer Boucher and I
·3· · · ·looked through the boxes.· And then we put them in
·4· · · ·binders in chronological order, or had someone put
·5· · · ·them in binders in chronological order.
·6· ·Q.· Okay.· Do you recall month and year when that would
·7· · · ·have occurred as far as, again, when you went
·8· · · ·through or going through those and found out?
·9· ·A.· It would have the summer of 2023, I believe.
10· ·Q.· Okay.
11· ·A.· Early summer of '23.
12· ·Q.· What conversation, if any, did you have with
13· · · ·members of the board of selectmen after you
14· · · ·discovered what was in those documents from DTC
15· · · ·that the board had been considering or looking at
16· · · ·terminating you in that position?
17· ·A.· What conversations did I have with the board?
18· ·Q.· Yes.
19· ·A.· Well, specifically we had them put in binders and
20· · · ·then they were put in the middle room for the board
21· · · ·to review.· And so obviously I would have made them
22· · · ·aware that we had received the documents they
23· · · ·requested and they were ready for their review in
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·1· · · ·the middle room.
·2· · · · · · · · ·And that they, after reading through,
·3· · · ·supported everything that Fred Garofalo had said
·4· · · ·with regards to what the board of 2022 was trying
·5· · · ·to do and my feelings through that whole time.
·6· ·Q.· Okay.· So what's your recollection of
·7· · · ·Mr. Garofalo's position with respect to the board
·8· · · ·of selectmen hiring or retaining DTC for the rate
·9· · · ·setting issue and/or personnel issue, we will just
10· · · ·characterize it as or refer to it as?· What's your
11· · · ·understanding of what his position on retaining DTC
12· · · ·was?
13· ·A.· So when he would come in to see me and speak with
14· · · ·Jennifer and I, he made it very clear he was
15· · · ·oppositional to that.· He didn't think it was
16· · · ·necessary.
17· ·Q.· And that was direct conversations with him?
18· ·A.· That was him coming into the, uh-huh.
19· ·Q.· Where does the Town currently stand with respect to
20· · · ·payment of the invoices that DTC has submitted to
21· · · ·the Town?
22· ·A.· The invoices are still unpaid.
23· ·Q.· And whose decision is it to not pay those invoices?
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·1· ·A.· At this point it's with the board of selectmen.
·2· ·Q.· Okay.· Do you know when the last time was that they
·3· · · ·considered or took up the issue as to pay or not
·4· · · ·pay those?
·7· ·A.· Specifically, I couldn't recall.
·8· ·Q.· Okay.· Has that, the issue as to whether the Town
·9· · · ·should pay or not pay DTC invoices, has that been
10· · · ·taken up by the current composition of the board of
11· · · ·selectmen?
12· ·A.· It's something that obviously gets discussed during
13· · · ·this, any meetings they have related to this
14· · · ·matter.
15· ·Q.· Okay.· So this is document, it's an email attached
16· · · ·to the Town's motion for summary judgment, Exhibit
17· · · ·No. 54.· If you could take a look at that and then
18· · · ·just let me know when you're done.
19· · · · · · · · ·(Exhibit 5, 7/12/23 Email, marked for
20· · · ·identification.)
21· ·Q.· Okay.· You've had a chance to take a look at this
22· · · ·four-page document with your attorney?
23· ·A.· Yes.
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·1· ·Q.· And the third page in, counting the cover sheet,
·2· · · ·page, down at the bottom it's page 2 of a chain of
·3· · · ·emails.· Second-to-last paragraph, the bottom
·4· · · ·portion of it, email between Attorney Chris Hawkins
·5· · · ·and Naomi Butterfield with the Mitchell Group, the
·6· · · ·last, very last sentence of that second-to-last
·7· · · ·paragraph says, I was assured that there is no
·8· · · ·intent to refuse to pay your fees.· The board and
·9· · · ·Brigitte just want to know what the fees were for
10· · · ·as the narratives were general and those who met
11· · · ·with you are now gone, (except for Kevin).· Do you
12· · · ·see that sentence?
13· ·A.· I do.
14· ·Q.· When did you tell Attorney Butterfield that the
15· · · ·Town didn't have an intent to refuse to pay DTC's
16· · · ·fees?
17· ·A.· I don't recall saying that to her.· That might have
18· · · ·been what she got out of our conversation.
19· ·Q.· Okay.· How many conversations or emails, so how
20· · · ·many conversations or communications have you had
21· · · ·with Attorney Butterfield regarding DTC's invoices
22· · · ·regarding the rate setting issue or the personnel
23· · · ·issue?
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·3· ·A.· There weren't many because Naomi doesn't represent
·4· · · ·us for Woodsville-related matters.· Chris Hawkins
·5· · · ·had independently reached out to her.
·6· ·Q.· Do you recall having any conversations or
·7· · · ·communications with Attorney Butterfield regarding
·8· · · ·DTC invoices?
·9· ·A.· I think it was just this one when she got this
10· · · ·email or request from Chris Hawkins, and she called
11· · · ·me to say, What is this.
12· ·Q.· Okay.· In that same sentence it says, The board and
13· · · ·Brigitte just want to know what the fees were for.
14· · · · · · · · ·As of today do you, what do you have, if
15· · · ·anything, for questions or lack of clarity as far
16· · · ·as what the work that was done was for?· Again,
17· · · ·within the context of that sentence.
18· ·A.· All right.· From my perspective there was no work,
19· · · ·but the boxes kind of explained what they were
20· · · ·trying to bill us for; we could correlate.
21· ·Q.· Can you explain in a little bit more detail what
22· · · ·you mean by "there was no work"?
23· ·A.· From my perspective DTC wasn't working for us.
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·1· · · ·They didn't have authority to work for us.
·2· ·Q.· Okay.
·3· ·A.· And I wasn't involved with them.
·4· ·Q.· So is there, with all the documents that you've
·5· · · ·seen up to today, is, what do you have as far as
·6· · · ·any questions that DTC didn't draft the letters,
·7· · · ·didn't send out emails or have communications with
·8· · · ·people at DRA or Councilor Warmington or -- do you
·9· · · ·have, what do you have for any doubts that DTC did
10· · · ·not do work or perform services that are reflected
11· · · ·in the invoices?
12· ·A.· They didn't do that for the Town.
13· ·Q.· Okay.· So is it fair to say they may have done
14· · · ·those activities or done that stuff, but just not
15· · · ·for the Town; is that fair?
16· ·A.· That would be my perspective, yes.
17· ·Q.· What benefit or value do you see that the work or
18· · · ·services that DTC did as reflected in those
19· · · ·invoices, what value or benefit did the Town
20· · · ·receive?
21· ·A.· I don't think the Town received any benefit. I
22· · · ·think if anything it caused us a great deal of harm
23· · · ·in many ways.
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·1· ·Q.· Okay.· You on behalf the Town retained Drummond
·2· · · ·Woodsum to, you can change the word but I'll use
·3· · · ·it, to use resolve the issue with respect to the
·4· · · ·DRA refusing to set the tax rate for the town;
·5· · · ·correct?· That's why you brought them on board?
·6· ·A.· We continue to use them, yes.
·7· ·Q.· But back then that's why you sort of retained them,
·8· · · ·to resolve that tax setting issue; correct?
·9· ·A.· Yes.
10· ·Q.· Okay.· And that tax rate setting issue with DRA was
11· · · ·resolved; correct?
12· ·A.· It was resolved.
13· ·Q.· Okay.· And according to the documents that you've
14· · · ·reviewed, that also is why the board of selectmen
15· · · ·believed that it had brought DTC on board was to
16· · · ·address or work on that same tax setting issue with
17· · · ·DRA, right.
20· ·A.· DTC kept and a few selectmen kept telling the
21· · · ·public that.· That's why they wanted to work with
22· · · ·DTC, was to work on the tax rate setting matter.
23· ·Q.· Okay.· And, again, the tax setting issue was
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·1· · · ·resolved with DRA?
·2· ·A.· Christine was able to resolve that for us, yes.
·3· ·Q.· That's your understanding, and I understand.· Okay.
·4· · · · · · · · ·So how is it that as far as your
·5· · · ·understanding that the services DTC provided or the
·6· · · ·work that it performed as its position is, on
·7· · · ·behalf of the Town of Haverhill, didn't provide any
·8· · · ·benefit?· I don't want to put the two together,
·9· · · ·didn't provide any benefit or harm, so let's just
10· · · ·take the first half.· So how did what they did did
11· · · ·not provide or supply the town with any benefit?
12· ·A.· From my perspective what they were attempting to do
13· · · ·was duplicative to everything that was already
14· · · ·happening with Drummond Woodsum and us working with
15· · · ·Peter Roth and the DRA directly.
16· · · · · · · · ·So we were already doing all of the
17· · · ·things that DTC suggested that they wanted to do
18· · · ·for the town.
19· ·Q.· Okay.· And how is it that Drummond Woodsum or what
20· · · ·did Drummond Woodsum do before DTC did the same
21· · · ·thing?· Do you have a list of the items or things?
22· ·A.· It's reflected in their invoices as well as emails
23· · · ·that are in the record.· We were meeting with her
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·1· · · ·regularly.· She was talking with Peter Roth
·2· · · ·regularly.· That's reflected in his letter back to
·3· · · ·DTC that we found in the documents where he says
·4· · · ·she was instrumental in setting the tax rate
·5· · · ·despite what DTC was doing.
·6· ·Q.· And with respect to what you stated just a little
·7· · · ·while ago, it's your position that what DTC did in
·8· · · ·connection with what it was doing when it says it
·9· · · ·was working on behalf of the town regarding the tax
10· · · ·setting issue with DRA, in what ways did what DTC
11· · · ·did or perform harm the town or cause harm to the
12· · · ·town?
13· ·A.· Yeah, so there was harm to most of our
14· · · ·relationships, including Mitchell Group, the DRA,
15· · · ·Drummond Woodsum attorneys, everything became
16· · · ·labored.· Everyone was, all of those different
17· · · ·entities started protecting themselves and being
18· · · ·careful with communications and being guarded with
19· · · ·us.
20· · · · · · · · ·Also other surrounding municipalities
21· · · ·were hearing about things that were going on and it
22· · · ·started to cause labored communications and
23· · · ·relationships with the surrounding communities and
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·1· · · ·with other organizations that we have to deal with
·2· · · ·on a daily basis, like the NHMA.
·3· ·Q.· The New Hampshire Municipal --
·4· ·A.· Municipal Association.· All of those relationships
·5· · · ·became very careful and guarded.
·6· ·Q.· What do you mean they became careful and guarded?
·7· · · ·Can you explain that?
·8· ·A.· The way that we interacted changed.· You could
·9· · · ·tell, and actually when I reached out to Peter Roth
10· · · ·and asked for information, all of a sudden
11· · · ·everything had to be by RSA 91-A.· They were trying
12· · · ·to protect themselves from whatever was going on
13· · · ·here.
14· ·Q.· Why do you say they were trying to protect
15· · · ·themselves, and protect themselves from what?
16· ·A.· It was my sentiment that they changed how they
17· · · ·interacted with us.
18· ·Q.· Okay.· No one ever informed you that that's what
19· · · ·they were doing or why they were doing it?
20· ·A.· They wouldn't say that explicitly, no.
21· ·Q.· But they didn't say that?
22· ·A.· Not explicitly.
23· ·Q.· Okay.· And then with respect to other towns, how
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·1· · · ·did interactions change and how do you know that it
·2· · · ·was because of this issue with DTC?
·3· ·A.· Everyone was, everyone was watching and everyone
·4· · · ·was starting to hone in on the fact that there were
·5· · · ·these labored issues with DTC and the Haverhill
·6· · · ·Select Board, and it just changed.
·7· · · · · · · · ·Relationships, I can't explain it.· It's
·8· · · ·just people start to treat you differently; they
·9· · · ·start to interact with you differently; they
10· · · ·communicate with you differently.
11· ·Q.· How so?
12· ·A.· The tone of conversations is not as cordial.
13· ·Q.· Okay.
14· ·A.· People don't want to just talk anymore.· They want
15· · · ·to protect themselves with what they say, guarded
16· · · ·in what they say.
17· ·Q.· How did that result in injury or damage to the
18· · · ·town?
19· ·A.· From my perspective it hurt our reputation and it
20· · · ·hurt our ability and hindered our ability to work
21· · · ·with entities that we needed to interact with every
22· · · ·single day.· We need to have good relationships,
23· · · ·and we had very good relationships prior to this.
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·1· ·Q.· So how did the actions or omissions or inactions or
·2· · · ·actions or inactions of someone else or some other
·3· · · ·company, how did that harm the reputation of the
·4· · · ·town?
·5· ·A.· Well, specifically with the DRA, Chris Hawkins kept
·6· · · ·trying to communicate with Peter Roth on our
·7· · · ·behalf, and Peter kept telling him we were already
·8· · · ·handling it, and he just wouldn't take no for an
·9· · · ·answer.
10· ·Q.· Okay.· Again, that's the actions of someone else.
11· · · ·How did that harm or injure the town in any way?
12· ·A.· Because then it comes back around.· And when I need
13· · · ·to communicate with Peter Roth he's being, he
14· · · ·know's there's this weird thing going on, and he
15· · · ·just -- they all just started getting guarded.
16· · · · · · · · ·Jamie Dow wouldn't even have an open
17· · · ·discussion with us anymore, and she's our field
18· · · ·rep.
19· ·Q.· Okay.· Were there any other ways in which you
20· · · ·believe that the town was harmed or injured because
21· · · ·of DTC's actions and the work they did?
22· ·A.· Not beyond what I have already explained that I can
23· · · ·recall right now.
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·1· ·Q.· In connection with the New Hampshire Municipal
·2· · · ·Association, how was the town or its reputation
·3· · · ·harmed or injured there?
·4· ·A.· So we reach out to New Hampshire Municipal Legal
·5· · · ·quite regularly, and unfortunately everyone started
·6· · · ·hearing about all of this.· And so either
·7· · · ·everybody, whenever we would communicate
·8· · · ·informally, they'd want to talk about it, but
·9· · · ·formally they would just be guarded with how they
10· · · ·responded to us.
11· ·Q.· Are there any other ways in which the town was
12· · · ·harmed or injured, given its reputation or
13· · · ·elsewise, with respect to the New Hampshire
14· · · ·Municipal Association?
15· ·A.· No.
16· ·Q.· Okay.· So earlier in your deposition you had stated
17· · · ·that you reached out to DRA regarding Articles 27
18· · · ·and 28 sometime after the deadline for the filing
19· · · ·of any articles or petitions for articles but
20· · · ·before the annual town meeting, right?
21· ·A.· Yes.
22· ·Q.· And I don't recall when that was.· Do you recall
23· · · ·what the deadline was, approximately?
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·1· ·A.· Usually it's the first week of February.
·2· ·Q.· Okay.· Does that, the deadline in connection with
·3· · · ·article, Warrant Article 27, Warrant Article 28,
·4· · · ·would have been somewhere in February of 2023;
·6· ·A.· For Article 27 and 28?
·7· ·Q.· Yeah?
·8· ·A.· No.
·9· ·Q.· Oh, '22?
10· ·A.· Yeah.
11· ·Q.· 2022.· And then those two articles were put on the
12· · · ·ballot for the warned annual town meeting that had
13· · · ·occurred in, you said March of 2000- --
14· ·A.· 2022.
15· ·Q.· -- '22, and got passed by the voters; correct?
16· ·A.· Yes.
17· ·Q.· All right.· So prior to, prior to February of 2022,
18· · · ·you wouldn't have contacted or called or emailed
19· · · ·DRA; correct?
21· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Okay.
23· ·A.· Not about those articles.
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·1· ·Q.· I'm sorry?
·2· ·A.· Not necessarily about those articles.
·3· ·Q.· Okay.
·4· · · · · · · · ·MR. LEHMANN:· Can we go off the record
·5· · · ·for a second?
·6· ·A.· Yeah, not about those articles.
·7· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Back on the record.
·8· ·Q.· What about any other reason for communicating with
·9· · · ·or reaching out to DRA regarding warrant articles
10· · · ·or articles in general coming from Woodsville?
11· ·A.· Before petitions are filed?
12· ·Q.· Before the, prior to the deadline, the filing,
13· · · ·which you said was February?
14· ·A.· There could, I mean hypothetically there could have
15· · · ·been.· I'm not talking about Woodsville, I'm
16· · · ·talking about in general, individuals who might
17· · · ·come to the town asking for guidance on filing a
18· · · ·warrant article.
19· ·Q.· Okay.
20· ·A.· I don't recall if that, I don't believe that ever
21· · · ·happened with these particular types of articles.
22· ·Q.· Okay.
23· ·A.· I don't recall that.
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·1· ·Q.· But you didn't have any communication, especially
·2· · · ·email communication, with DRA prior to February of
·3· · · ·2022 with respect to any kind of warrant articles
·4· · · ·coming from or being filed by Woodsville?
·5· ·A.· I wouldn't have communicated with DRA about
·6· · · ·Woodsville articles before they came into the town
·7· · · ·hall because I wouldn't know about them.
·8· · · · · · · · ·I might have communicated with DRA on
·9· · · ·other things.· I do all the time; we communicate
10· · · ·all the time.
11· ·Q.· Okay.· Is there an avenue or is there a majority
12· · · ·way of phone calls or emails?· Is it typically one
13· · · ·way or another?
14· ·A.· We try to pick up the phone and have a
15· · · ·conversation.
16· ·Q.· Okay.
17· ·A.· But of course there are emails.
18· ·Q.· Okay.· Is that something with respect to phone
19· · · ·calls to DRA prior to DTC getting involved, are
20· · · ·those phone calls what you were referring to as
21· · · ·sort of the reputational damage or injury to the
22· · · ·town in interacting with DRA, those phone calls,
23· · · ·those changed?
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·1· ·A.· Our communications definitely changed, yes.
·2· ·Q.· Okay.
·3· ·A.· And I think along those lines, if I could just
·4· · · ·elaborate, the response that I eventually saw that
·5· · · ·Peter Roth sent was scathing and in my opinion
·6· · · ·caused an awful lot of harm.· It clearly, his
·7· · · ·opinion of the town was very different after those
·8· · · ·interactions with DTC.
·9· ·Q.· What response are you referring to?· What response
10· · · ·do you have in mind?
11· ·A.· He sent a letter back to DTC --
12· ·Q.· Okay.
13· ·A.· -- admonishing them for the tone of their letter
14· · · ·and the way that they had handled things.
15· ·Q.· Okay.· Do you know, do you know why DTC's letter
16· · · ·was written in the tone or the way that it was that
17· · · ·DTC sent to DRA?
18· ·A.· Why it was written that way?
19· ·Q.· Yes.
20· ·A.· I don't know why they would write something like
21· · · ·that.
22· ·Q.· Okay.
23· ·A.· We had already gotten guidance from Christine to
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·1· · · ·write a nicely worded letter, and that she had
·2· · · ·already talked to Peter Roth and he would set the
·3· · · ·tax rate.
·4· · · · · · · · ·So the letter in that tone was
·5· · · ·unnecessary at that point that DTC ended up
·6· · · ·sending.
·7· · · · · · · · ·They didn't need to send it at all, but
·8· · · ·the tone was unnecessary at that point.
·9· ·Q.· How long was the, I will characterize it as delay,
10· · · ·because DRA finally did set the tax rate as we now
11· · · ·know, from the time that DRA provided some kind of
12· · · ·notice that they weren't going to set the tax rate
13· · · ·to the time that they actually finally did, do you
14· · · ·recall what the time frame of that was?
15· ·A.· Well, they sent us the letter the end of December.
16· · · ·We knew already that they weren't going to set it
17· · · ·until after the 9th of January anyway.· And by the,
18· · · ·like, the next week, after that procedural defect
19· · · ·meeting, we had gotten notice they were setting the
20· · · ·tax rate.
21· · · · · · · · ·So legitimately the delay was like a
22· · · ·week.
23· ·Q.· Okay.· What was the, during that same time, the end
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·1· · · ·of 2022, beginning of 2023, what was the board's
·2· · · ·assessment as far as what kind of a delay was
·3· · · ·likely regarding this, the DRA's position on this
·4· · · ·tax rate setting issue?
·5· ·A.· They were aware of that timeline with regards to
·6· · · ·the procedural defect meeting.
·7· ·Q.· And the procedural defect was the grant money or
·8· · · ·something --
·9· ·A.· The school.
10· ·Q.· -- the school had received.· The reason why you
11· · · ·said January 9th it was going to be corrected is
12· · · ·because that was the next meeting that the school
13· · · ·board was going to have?
14· ·A.· I don't know why they said the 9th.· The 9th I
15· · · ·think was a Thursday, if I remember correctly.
16· ·Q.· Okay.
17· ·A.· I don't know why they picked that date.· They don't
18· · · ·usually meet on a Thursday, so I don't know why
19· · · ·they picked that date.
20· ·Q.· Because.· Okay.· So if you guys could take a look
21· · · ·at that.
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·1· ·Q.· Okay.· So you've got a one-page document in front
·2· · · ·of you that is a January, an email, January 27th,
·3· · · ·2022?
·4· ·A.· Yup.
·5· ·Q.· Okay.· And this is an email from you to James
·6· · · ·Gerry, G-E-R-R-Y?
·7· ·A.· Gerry, yup.
·8· ·Q.· Gerry.· And then a Jamie Dow, D-O-W.· Who are those
·9· · · ·two individuals?
10· ·A.· Jamie Dow is our field rep.· And James Gerry at the
11· · · ·time was the director.
12· ·Q.· Director of?
13· ·A.· The Municipal, I don't remember his title, but at
14· · · ·DRA.
15· ·Q.· Okay.· At DRA.
16· ·A.· They are both DRA.
17· ·Q.· Okay.· Gotcha.· So on January 27, 2022, why did you
18· · · ·send this email to, I'll just lump them in together
19· · · ·as DRA?
21· ·Q.· Go ahead.
22· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· This is outside of the scope
23· · · ·of summary judgment and the case in general.
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·1· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· No, it's not.
·2· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· I mean, the Court's April 4th
·3· · · ·order limited the deposition to summary judgment
·4· · · ·and, you know, what happened when two petitioned
·5· · · ·warrant articles were filed.· Outside the scope.
·6· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· The position is from town
·7· · · ·manager is that the DRA just came about with this,
·8· · · ·and that's where this is going.
·9· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Okay.
10· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· And, again, the credibility,
11· · · ·as you will see.
13· ·Q.· So --
14· · · · · · · · ·MR. LEHMANN:· Well, what does credibility
15· · · ·have to do with summary judgment?· The rules for
16· · · ·summary judgment tell us what the --
17· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· The affidavit.
18· · · · · · · · ·MR. LEHMANN:· The nonmoving, the
19· · · ·non-departed closing summary judgment does state
20· · · ·all the inferences in their favor.
21· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Yup.
22· · · · · · · · ·MR. LEHMANN:· So there's no credibility
23· · · ·determination to be made there.
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·1· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· If it can be shown as to what
·2· · · ·the facts are in the affidavit are not credible,
·3· · · ·then it goes more than just an inference; it
·4· · · ·actually goes to the substance of the contents of
·5· · · ·the.
·6· · · · · · · · ·MR. LEHMANN:· So your position is you're
·7· · · ·going to conduct an examination to show that the
·8· · · ·witness is not, is it general credibility or a
·9· · · ·specific instance, I mean --
10· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Both.
11· · · · · · · · ·MR. LEHMANN:· General credibility's got
12· · · ·nothing to do with summary judgment.· The rule of
13· · · ·decision govern that.· It's, a nonmoving party gets
14· · · ·the benefit of all contested issues.
15· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Okay.
16· · · · · · · · ·MR. LEHMANN:· If you want to have, prove
17· · · ·factual things, I mean, you could put them in, you
18· · · ·could create factual issues, I suppose, by having
19· · · ·contradictory evidence but it doesn't have anything
20· · · ·to do with summary judgment if you're trying to say
21· · · ·she's a liar.
22· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Okay.
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·1· ·Q.· So January 27th, 2022, why did you send this email
·2· · · ·to DRA?· Again, we will lump both Mr. Gerry and Dow
·3· · · ·into just DRA.
·4· ·A.· So this would have gone to them for prereview.
·5· ·Q.· For prereview?
·7· ·Q.· So earlier in your deposition today you stated that
·8· · · ·either town, Haverhill, the town manager or the
·9· · · ·assistant town manager once they get a warrant
10· · · ·article from the town clerk, because that's who
11· · · ·receives them on behalf of the town, that text or
12· · · ·the language of the petition is entered into some
13· · · ·kind of computer system that the DRA has; correct?
14· ·A.· That is true too, yes.
15· ·Q.· That is, okay.· That is true that that happens or
16· · · ·is there another way that the information is
17· · · ·initially transmitted to DRA?
18· ·A.· We formally put it into the portal and send it for
19· · · ·a formal prereview.· And, in addition, we at times
20· · · ·will send articles like these to the DRA for
21· · · ·prereview.
22· ·Q.· Okay.· So it could happen either way?
23· ·A.· It has to happen through the portal and it could
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·1· · · ·also happen that we are sending the petitions for
·2· · · ·prereview.
·3· ·Q.· So was this email one of the additional ways of
·4· · · ·submitting article, both of them, Articles 27 and
·5· · · ·28 for that prereview process?
·6· ·A.· Yup.· And we would do that with others as well,
·7· · · ·depending what the questions were of DRA.
·8· ·Q.· So what was it about Article 27 that caused you,
·9· · · ·not Ms. Boucher, but caused you to submit this
10· · · ·email to DRA for this prereview process?
11· ·A.· Article 27 specifically or both?
12· ·Q.· Yes.
13· ·A.· I don't remember which was which.
14· ·Q.· Okay.
15· ·A.· I'd have to go back and look at which one was fire
16· · · ·and which -- I mean it doesn't really matter, I
17· · · ·guess.
18· ·Q.· Okay.· So if you don't remember which was which,
19· · · ·let's lump them together.· So what about Articles
20· · · ·27 and 28 caused you to send this email as part of
21· · · ·the prereview process that DRA does?
22· ·A.· Well, anything financially related it has to go
23· · · ·through DRA.· And we work with DRA closely on
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·1· · · ·anything that's tax related, I mean financially
·2· · · ·related.
·3· · · · · · · · ·And so these were going to end up in the
·4· · · ·portal and we needed to know not only from legal
·5· · · ·but from the DRA if these should even be addressed.
·6· · · ·Like how should we deal with these?· These were an
·7· · · ·anomaly.· We had never seen anything like this
·8· · · ·before.
·9· ·Q.· Okay.· And who made the decision to do this
10· · · ·alternate or additional step, not fully
11· · · ·understanding sort of what it is, but who made the
12· · · ·decision to send this email in addition to just
13· · · ·entering in the text of the warrant articles?
14· ·A.· In the case of anomalies like this it would have
15· · · ·been me or Jennifer, and we had done that in the
16· · · ·past.
17· ·Q.· Okay.· Do you recall with respect to Article,
18· · · ·Warrant Article 27, who made the decision?
19· ·A.· Well, I sent this email so --
20· ·Q.· Correct.
21· ·A.· -- I assume both articles were attached, I would
22· · · ·assume, but maybe not because I can't tell.
23· ·Q.· Right.· Do you recall who made the decision at
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·1· · · ·sending this particular email to DRA as part of the
·2· · · ·prereview process back on January 27th?
·3· ·A.· I'm sure it would have been a conversation between
·4· · · ·Jennifer and I to get DRA's input on this.
·5· ·Q.· Okay.· Is it fair to say you don't recall if it was
·6· · · ·you or if it was Jennifer?
·7· ·A.· I don't recall the exact conversations we had, no.
·8· ·Q.· Okay.· And you also don't recall whose decision it
·9· · · ·was to send the email?
10· ·A.· Ultimately I guess it would have been my decision
11· · · ·because I sent the email.
12· ·Q.· Okay.· I don't want to presume, that's why I'm
13· · · ·asking if you have an actual memory of --
14· ·A.· No --
15· ·Q.· -- whose decision it was?
16· ·A.· No, I don't.
17· ·Q.· Okay.· This is a January 31 email.
20· ·Q.· Just let me know.· We've marked it with an exhibit
21· · · ·sticker and just let me know when you've had a
22· · · ·chance to look at it.
23· ·A.· Okay.
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·1· ·Q.· Okay.
·2· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· For the record I will just
·3· · · ·indicate that the second page of this, which in the
·4· · · ·top right corner is a handwritten notation of "35
·5· · · ·registered voters".· There were multiple copies of
·6· · · ·this effectively signature sheet or signature page
·7· · · ·with all of the same typed caption or heading at
·8· · · ·the top.· I just didn't feel the need to replicate
·9· · · ·page after page after page just adding to the
10· · · ·volume but not the substance of this particular
11· · · ·attachment.
13· ·Q.· So with respect to this two-page exhibit to your
14· · · ·deposition, you've had a chance to look at this
15· · · ·document; correct?
16· ·A.· Yes.
17· ·Q.· And it is an email from you dated January 31st of
18· · · ·2022, again, to the same two individuals at DRA;
20· ·A.· Exactly.
21· ·Q.· Just so I can cover it, do you have a specific
22· · · ·memory of actually sending this email?
23· ·A.· No.
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·1· ·Q.· And in the subject line it says, Two new warrant
·2· · · ·articles needing review.· Did you send this email
·3· · · ·to DRA as part of that DRA prereview process?
·4· ·A.· I would have, yes.
·5· ·Q.· Okay.
·8· ·Q.· We have got the next exhibit is, you've had a
·9· · · ·chance to look at this?
10· ·A.· Yup.
11· ·Q.· So we have got an email from yourself dated
12· · · ·February 2nd, 2022, to Mr. Gerry at DRA; correct?
13· ·A.· Yes.
14· ·Q.· Okay.· Having had a chance to look at this email,
15· · · ·do you recall drafting and sending this email?
16· ·A.· I do.
17· ·Q.· Okay.· Why did you send this email to the DRA?
18· ·A.· I sent this email to the DRA after talking to
19· · · ·Drummond Woodsum.· We had requested a legal opinion
20· · · ·on the articles because they were related to the
21· · · ·same funding matter that we had been litigating and
22· · · ·dealing with right along, as well as related to the
23· · · ·legislation that Senator Giuda had worked on.
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·1· · · · · · · · ·So I had reached out and also talked to
·2· · · ·some of the board members about some of the
·3· · · ·information we had gotten, and between Bob Giuda
·4· · · ·and Drummond Woodsum there was a sense, there was a
·5· · · ·general understanding that these were likely
·6· · · ·illegal.
·7· ·Q.· And who were the board members that you spoke to
·8· · · ·prior to sending this email?
·9· ·A.· Matt Bjelobrk, Fred Garofalo.· And we brought, we
10· · · ·did discuss the legal opinion at select board
11· · · ·meetings; and Fred Garofalo read that legal opinion
12· · · ·at the annual town meeting that year.
13· ·Q.· Prior to sending this email, I don't want to say
14· · · ·only, but you spoke with Matt and Fred?
15· ·A.· I remember speaking with both of them.· I might
16· · · ·have spoken with Howard.· And I don't recall the
17· · · ·date of meetings, so I would have to go back and
18· · · ·look at the records to see exactly how it all
19· · · ·played out.
20· ·Q.· Okay.· That was going to be my next -- where did
21· · · ·you speak with Matt and Fred, meaning during a
22· · · ·public meeting or outside of a public meeting?
23· ·A.· They would all visit my office --
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·1· ·Q.· Okay.
·2· ·A.· -- individually to have conversations about a
·3· · · ·variety of things.
·4· ·Q.· Okay.· And that's where they, you recall having a
·5· · · ·conversation or where it could have or where it
·6· · · ·likely is?· I just want to make sure --
·7· ·A.· That's really the only place I would have
·8· · · ·conversations with them would be my office other
·9· · · ·than a board meeting, which would be on the record.
10· ·Q.· Do you have a specific memory or recollection of
11· · · ·where you had the discussion with each of them
12· · · ·before sending this out?
13· ·A.· Not specifically.
14· ·Q.· Okay.· So in looking at this email in sum or in
15· · · ·total, you are asking at the bottom of the first
16· · · ·page, We formally ask that you disallow both the
17· · · ·attached warrant articles, and then the next line
18· · · ·down, By disallowing these articles, department of
19· · · ·revenue will admonish any similar future attempts
20· · · ·by districts throughout New Hampshire.· Do you see
21· · · ·those two lines?
22· ·A.· I do.
23· ·Q.· Okay.· So when you stated on that second-to-last
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·1· · · ·sentence on the first page, bottom of the first
·2· · · ·page, We formally ask, who is the, quote/unquote,
·3· · · ·we on that line?
·4· ·A.· Collectively the town.
·5· ·Q.· And how is it that you as the town manager were
·6· · · ·speaking or expressing the request on behalf of the
·7· · · ·entire town?
10· ·A.· As town manager it was my responsibility to not
11· · · ·only communicate with the DRA but also regarding
12· · · ·anything to do with legal, and so I was working
13· · · ·with Drummond Woodsum on the legal aspects of this.
14· · · ·I was working with the DRA as well, and working
15· · · ·with my counterpart in my office, which was
16· · · ·Jennifer Boucher, and then keeping the board
17· · · ·appraised, which was my responsibility to keep them
18· · · ·appraised of things that were significant.
19· ·Q.· So do you recall when or which public meeting
20· · · ·during which you spoke to the board and/or got
21· · · ·instruction from the board of selectmen to send
22· · · ·this email or something like it?
23· ·A.· I didn't need the board's approval to send this
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·1· · · ·email.· They didn't, they don't micromanage the
·2· · · ·town manager in that way.
·3· · · · · · · · ·And I don't recall the actual meeting
·4· · · ·where we talked about the legal opinion.· I would
·5· · · ·have to go back and look at the minutes.
·6· ·Q.· Okay.· Is it your recollection that whichever
·7· · · ·meeting, public meeting that it was that Fred read
·8· · · ·Drummond Woodsum's written opinion or assessment,
·9· · · ·it would have been that same meeting that the board
10· · · ·expressed either their request or their desire for
11· · · ·this email to be sent out or to ask the DRA?
12· ·A.· This email was not something that the board
13· · · ·directed.· So, sending an email like this to the
14· · · ·DRA is not something the board would have directed
15· · · ·me to do.
16· ·Q.· Okay.· And you otherwise just stated that you
17· · · ·didn't actually need their permission or approval?
18· ·A.· To send an email to the DRA.
19· ·Q.· Okay.· But specifically this email that is asking,
20· · · ·We formally ask you to disallow, you didn't even
21· · · ·need that authority from the board?
22· ·A.· I don't believe I did, no.
23· ·Q.· Okay.· The very last line, which I already read,
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·1· · · ·speaks to or asks or in asking DRA to disallow
·2· · · ·these articles will admonish other districts
·3· · · ·throughout New Hampshire.· Is that something that's
·4· · · ·within your role and your responsibilities for the
·6· ·A.· I was reiterating what Bob Giuda had already made
·7· · · ·clear with regards to his intent with the
·8· · · ·legislation related to Woodsville, statements that
·9· · · ·had been made related to the precariousness of
10· · · ·allowing a district to do so.
11· ·Q.· Okay.· How was that within your role in the scope
12· · · ·of the town manager's position with respect to
13· · · ·pointing out that DRA could admonish other
14· · · ·districts?
17· ·A.· I guess I don't understand what you're asking.
18· ·Q.· Okay.· Well, by this and through this email you're
19· · · ·not only asking DRA to disallow both of the warrant
20· · · ·articles, but also pointing out to DRA that doing
21· · · ·so will send the message to other districts in
22· · · ·other towns, not just, you know, the three other
23· · · ·districts, you know, Woodsville, but the other
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·1· · · ·three, not just the other districts in the confines
·2· · · ·of Haverhill, but all of the other misbehaving
·3· · · ·districts in other towns in all of New Hampshire.
·4· · · ·How is that within the role of the town manager for
·5· · · ·the Town of Haverhill?
·8· ·A.· From my perspective I was just making a statement
·9· · · ·of fact that by doing so it would set that stage.
10· · · ·It would set a precedent for what was a proper
11· · · ·thing to do and not a proper thing to do.
12· ·Q.· Okay.· On the next page, the second-to-last
13· · · ·paragraph, you wrote, Please, we ask you to help
14· · · ·the people of New Hampshire to clearly understand
15· · · ·the laws of the State of New Hampshire by
16· · · ·disallowing these articles.
17· · · · · · · · ·Again, how did you believe that it was
18· · · ·within your scope as town manager for the Town of
19· · · ·Haverhill?
20· ·A.· Well, I definitely believe I had a duty as a town
21· · · ·manager in relation to my peers as other town
22· · · ·managers, and we often talk about how the laws are
23· · · ·applied in our different municipalities.· So that
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·1· · · ·was a general statement as well that to help us
·2· · · ·all, let's make the playing field clear.
·3· ·Q.· After that February 2nd email to the DRA, do you
·4· · · ·recall or remember how many more emails you sent to
·5· · · ·DRA regarding this tax rate setting issue?
·6· ·A.· After this I think most of my emails were fact
·7· · · ·responses, like sending information that was
·8· · · ·requested of us, but I don't recall exactly; I
·9· · · ·would have to go back and look at the records.
10· ·Q.· Okay.· And some of those dealt with DRA's or Peter
11· · · ·Roth's questions about the backdrop, right, the
12· · · ·history of where all of the districts --
13· ·A.· Hundred-and-something years.
14· ·Q.· Going back to the buggy whip days, right?
15· ·A.· Yeah.
16· ·Q.· Other than that or in addition to that, do you know
17· · · ·how many other, do you recall how many other emails
18· · · ·you sent to the DRA?
19· ·A.· I don't recall.
20· ·Q.· Okay.· Do you recall sending additional emails?
21· ·A.· I recall a lot of emails trying to get Peter the
22· · · ·information he was looking for; that's what I
23· · · ·remember.
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·1· ·Q.· How about outside or beyond providing historical
·2· · · ·documents and background to Woodsville and the
·3· · · ·other districts, do you recall?
·4· ·A.· I don't recall.
·5· ·Q.· If there are at least five additional emails that
·6· · · ·you sent to DRA regarding the two warrant articles
·7· · · ·that are in addition to the information that DRA
·8· · · ·asked for in connection with its pre-approval or
·9· · · ·prereview process, does that sound about right?
12· ·A.· I honestly don't remember.
13· ·Q.· Okay.· You do recall sending other ones that didn't
14· · · ·relate to the historical background, though?
17· ·A.· I don't remember that.· I don't remember.
18· ·Q.· Do you recall any of the members of the board or
19· · · ·the board of selectmen itself asking you regarding
20· · · ·communications that you had with DRA?
21· ·A.· I just remember one, and that was Kevin Knapp.
22· ·Q.· And what did he ask?
23· ·A.· I don't remember exactly what he asked.· It was an
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·1· · · ·incredibly busy day and he asked for an enormous
·2· · · ·amount of information and he wanted it by the end
·3· · · ·of the day, which was absolutely impossible.
·4· ·Q.· Okay.· And what was your response to that email
·5· · · ·request?
·6· ·A.· I told him something along the lines of most of our
·7· · · ·communications are on the phone, something like
·8· · · ·that.
·9· ·Q.· Okay.· And did you say that it was an incredibly
10· · · ·busy day and you'd get back to him the next day or
11· · · ·later that week or anything?
12· ·A.· No, that particular interaction was one of
13· · · ·literally hundreds I was getting from him and Katie
14· · · ·that were overwhelming our office with requests
15· · · ·that were really outside the scope of us just doing
16· · · ·our day-to-day business.· So it was one of many. I
17· · · ·literally had hundreds of emails from Katie.· I was
18· · · ·just overwhelmed at the time.
19· ·Q.· So how is it that you then don't respond to members
20· · · ·of a board of selectmen requesting information
21· · · ·about something that's so vitally important to the
22· · · ·town?
23· ·A.· From my perspective --
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·3· ·A.· At that time I didn't see that as anything vital.
·4· · · ·It absolutely was not, it did not rise to that
·5· · · ·level for me at all.
·8· ·Q.· So I just gave you a, my apologies, but a
·9· · · ·photograph of -- let me back up, a printout of a
10· · · ·photograph of an email.· I don't know how many more
11· · · ·times we can insert different types of technology
12· · · ·in there and still have something tangible in our
13· · · ·hands.
14· · · · · · · · ·But we have an email, a representation, a
15· · · ·printout of an email from May 5th of 2022, and a
16· · · ·core email is from you to Kevin Knapp.· Do you,
17· · · ·just let me know when you guys have had a chance to
18· · · ·review that.
19· ·A.· I'm good.
20· ·Q.· Okay.· So down toward the bottom Kevin Knapp sends
21· · · ·an email to you and CC'd Katie Williams.· Katie
22· · · ·Williams at that time was a member of the board of
23· · · ·selectmen; correct?
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·1· ·A.· Yes.
·2· ·Q.· Okay.· So May 5th, 2022, at 10:29 a.m. Kevin Knapp,
·3· · · ·a board member, sends you, then town manager, an
·4· · · ·email saying Good morning, Brigitte.· Can you
·5· · · ·forward me all emails sent and received from the
·6· · · ·DRA.· Anything that has to do with the Warrant
·7· · · ·Articles 27 and 28.· I would like them by the end
·8· · · ·of the business day.· I would like to be able to
·9· · · ·answer any questions that may arise in this case.
10· · · · · · · · ·Does it look like I read that correctly?
11· ·A.· You did.
12· ·Q.· Okay.· Again, wish for a better copy but this is
13· · · ·what we have.· So you, it appears from what you
14· · · ·already explained, recall this email?
15· ·A.· I do.
16· ·Q.· Okay.· And then roughly half an hour later on the
17· · · ·same day, May 5th, 2022, you respond or reply to
18· · · ·Kevin and CC the assistant town manager, Hello,
19· · · ·Kevin.· The DRA rarely puts anything in email.
20· · · ·They call us or we call them except for formal
21· · · ·notifications (such as attached).
22· · · · · · · · ·With respect to the emails that we have
23· · · ·gone over and the additional emails that you sent
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·1· · · ·to the DRA regarding these two articles, Warrant
·2· · · ·Articles 27 and 28, what would you say about the
·3· · · ·accuracy of your statement there or your sentence
·4· · · ·there about the DRA rarely puts anything in email?
·5· ·A.· They don't.· Compared to the number of phone calls
·6· · · ·we have with them.
·7· ·Q.· So it's a relative to phone calls explanation.
·8· ·A.· Yeah.· I mean, yes, or in general.
·9· ·Q.· Okay.· And Kevin's email down below that we already
10· · · ·read didn't ask just for emails from DRA, but he
11· · · ·asked to forward me all the emails sent and
12· · · ·received, so it's a to and from.
13· · · · · · · · ·You sent him back that response, but you
14· · · ·never indicated that there were all of these emails
15· · · ·that had been sent from the Town to the DRA, right?
16· ·A.· I told him specifically that he should go and reach
17· · · ·out -- and it wasn't even him.· So the way this
18· · · ·worded made it sound like he was probably looking
19· · · ·for information for someone else, which happened a
20· · · ·lot at that time.
21· · · · · · · · ·And from my perspective, I was, I didn't
22· · · ·have the time to do that, and that he should ask,
23· · · ·tell that individual to go and ask the DRA.
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·1· ·Q.· Okay.· Can you kind of unpack that for us?· So when
·2· · · ·you got the email back in early May of 2022, what
·3· · · ·in addition to what's actually written here did you
·4· · · ·see or understand that somehow Kevin's email might
·5· · · ·have been the product of somebody over his shoulder
·6· · · ·or something?
·7· ·A.· So this is out of context to what was happening at
·8· · · ·that time.
·9· ·Q.· Yeah, could you explain what was going on that you
10· · · ·understood it that way?
11· ·A.· Katie and Kevin had become notorious for taking
12· · · ·requests from residents and then wanting me to feed
13· · · ·them information so then they could go back and
14· · · ·respond.· And I had systematically tried to direct
15· · · ·them that if someone has a question for town
16· · · ·administration, just send them to town
17· · · ·administration.· If they have a question of the
18· · · ·DRA, send them to the DRA.· Like we can't play this
19· · · ·round robin; nobody has time for that.
20· · · · · · · · ·And so this from my perspective was just
21· · · ·another one of those where he was trying to get
22· · · ·information for somebody else, and that's why I
23· · · ·directed him to the DRA.· That specifically anyone
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·1· · · ·looking for information should call the DRA.
·2· · · · · · · · ·And in the middle of all this, this is us
·3· · · ·prepping for town meeting.· I was in the middle of
·4· · · ·advisory budget committee meetings, which happened
·5· · · ·rapid-fire during this time frame, and preparing
·6· · · ·for those.· We usually have 14, 15 advisory budget
·7· · · ·committee meetings in January, getting ready for
·8· · · ·town meeting, getting ready for the budget,
·9· · · ·workshop budget hearing, all of that happened end
10· · · ·of December to the first week of February.· It's a
11· · · ·very busy business time and so I was incredibly
12· · · ·busy.· And for a general question or request for
13· · · ·everything.· Go back and look for every email
14· · · ·you've ever sent to the DRA, you know.· I was like
15· · · ·I don't have time for this.· And so I was trying to
16· · · ·direct him to go get the information or if it was
17· · · ·for somebody else, tell them to go get the
18· · · ·information somewhere else.
19· ·Q.· Had, going back to that time frame, had Kevin Knapp
20· · · ·sent you other or different requests prior to this
21· · · ·one for other types of information?
22· ·A.· Both him and Katie were doing that a lot --
23· ·Q.· Okay.· What --
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·1· ·A.· -- for all sorts --
·2· ·Q.· What did Kevin previously ask you for that you
·3· · · ·understood was him gathering documents or
·4· · · ·information for other residents?
·6· ·Q.· Go ahead.
·7· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Outside the scope of summary
·8· · · ·judgment.
·9· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Looking for the context of
10· · · ·this --
11· ·A.· It could be just about anything --
12· ·Q.· Okay.
13· ·A.· -- from what did the highway crew do yesterday to
14· · · ·what did we purchase for gloves last week.· You
15· · · ·know, it just was a little bit of everything.
16· ·Q.· Okay.· And were those two things actual requests
17· · · ·that Kevin had made, though?
18· ·A.· Those are two things he had, but there were
19· · · ·numerous others.
20· ·Q.· Okay.· And no time after your email reply on May
21· · · ·5th of 2022 did you follow back up with him and ask
22· · · ·whether it was for him or a resident, or didn't
23· · · ·forward him on to a copy of any of the other
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·1· · · ·emails, right?
·2· ·A.· No.· And actually when this showed up in the packet
·3· · · ·of information we got back from DTC a year later, I
·4· · · ·was surprised this was even in here because this
·5· · · ·was so insignificant to me.
·6· ·Q.· Okay.
·7· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Can we take a break?
·8· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Yeah.
·9· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Can we go off the record.
10· · · · · · · · ·(Recess taken.)
11· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· Back on the record.
13· ·Q.· Okay, Ms. Codling.· We took a brief break.· We are
14· · · ·back on the record.· You are still under oath.· At
15· · · ·paragraph 35 of your affidavit, and it's attached
16· · · ·to the Town's Motion for Summary Judgment, you
17· · · ·stated that on March 14, 2023, Steve Robbins was
18· · · ·voted out of office.· Is that an accurate
19· · · ·statement?
20· ·A.· If that was the town meeting vote, then yes.
21· ·Q.· Okay.· Was he voted out of office or more accurate
22· · · ·to say he wasn't reelected 2023?
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·1· ·Q.· Okay.· Go ahead.
·2· ·A.· He didn't win his seat.
·3· ·Q.· He ran for reelection and didn't win?
·4· ·A.· Yes.· Yes.
·5· ·Q.· What, how have you been injured or damaged with
·6· · · ·respect to DTC's actions as far as anxiety or
·7· · · ·anything that you allege you've been caused to go
·8· · · ·through or --
·9· · · · · · · · ·MR. LEHMANN:· Objection.· This has
10· · · ·nothing to do with summary judgment.
11· · · · · · · · ·Don't answer.
12· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· All right.
13· · · · · · · · ·(Exhibit 10, Text Messages, marked for
15· · · · · · · · ·MR. LEHMANN:· I just wanted to add to my
16· · · ·objection.· Not only does it not have anything to
17· · · ·do with the summary judgment, it has nothing to do
18· · · ·with the contract action at all either.
20· ·Q.· Okay.· I have given you and your attorney three
21· · · ·pages, color photocopies.· You can take a look at
22· · · ·those and just let me know when you've had a chance
23· · · ·to look at them.
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·1· · · · · · · · ·(Pause.)
·2· ·A.· Good.
·3· ·Q.· All set?
·4· ·A.· Yeah.
·5· ·Q.· So you've had a chance to take a look at these
·6· · · ·three pages?· Can you identify or explain what
·7· · · ·these are?
·8· ·A.· They look like text messages between me and Mike
·9· · · ·Graham.
10· ·Q.· Okay.· Sorry to split hairs, but they look like it
11· · · ·or they are?
12· ·A.· Yeah.· I don't remember them, but yes.
13· ·Q.· Okay.· You don't recall providing these in
14· · · ·connection with responses to requests for
15· · · ·documents?
16· ·A.· I don't think I provided these.
17· ·Q.· Do you have a work phone that the town provides or
18· · · ·a personal phone that you use for work?
19· ·A.· I have a work phone.
20· ·Q.· Okay.· So you don't recall providing copies of
21· · · ·screenshots to text messages or anything else?
22· ·A.· I don't remember these at all.
23· ·Q.· Okay.· And do you recall back in, the dates are in
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·1· · · ·the center of these pages, January 9th and then
·2· · · ·January 10th at the bottom of the third page, text
·3· · · ·messages between you and Mike Graham regarding the
·4· · · ·topics that are in here about emergency meeting
·5· · · ·5:00 p.m. on the 9th?
·6· ·A.· I know we had one.· I don't remember this at all.
·7· ·Q.· You don't remember the text message exchange?
·8· ·A.· No.
·9· ·Q.· Okay.· All right.
10· · · · · · · · ·(Exhibit 11, Text Messages Continued,
11· · · ·marked for identification.)
12· ·A.· I'm good.
13· ·Q.· All set?· So you've taken a look at those six
14· · · ·pages?· As I stated earlier, the first three pages
15· · · ·of the newest, latest packet you've got the first
16· · · ·three pages are black-and-white copies or printouts
17· · · ·of the three pages from Exhibit 10.· The first
18· · · ·three pages of Exhibit 10 are the first three pages
19· · · ·of Exhibit 11.· I'd just like to you match them up
20· · · ·on your own --
21· ·A.· Okay.
22· ·Q.· -- just to verify.· All right.· So then the fourth
23· · · ·page is text messages that you sent and received
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·1· · · ·and not on January 9th or 10th, now we are up to
·2· · · ·January 14th.· And you state that your stress
·3· · · ·levels are through the roof regarding this.· I want
·4· · · ·to resolve this tax rate issue.· Do you see that
·5· · · ·right at the top of the fourth page?
·6· ·A.· I do.· This is an email, this is a text chain not
·7· · · ·with Mike Graham, though.
·8· ·Q.· Not with Mike Graham?
·9· ·A.· No.
10· ·Q.· And who was it, so the text messages that appear on
11· · · ·the second set of three pages, the last page 4, 5
12· · · ·and 6 of this Exhibit 11, you've looked at them.
13· · · ·Do you recall with whom you were texting?
14· ·A.· Steve Robbins.
15· ·Q.· Okay.· And then the second message down, the 14th
16· · · ·still.· The tax rate will be set on Tuesday.
17· · · · · · · · ·You replied, Hope so.· All tax rates?· Do
18· · · ·you see all of that?
19· ·A.· Uh-huh.
20· ·Q.· And we go on to the second-to-last page, and that's
21· · · ·when you start indicating or talking about Drummond
22· · · ·Woodsum or Christine at Drummond Woodsum?
23· ·A.· Yup.
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·1· ·Q.· And that's where you type in this phrase, A nicely
·2· · · ·worded letter.· You had testified or explained
·3· · · ·about that the Drummond Woodsum had explained to
·4· · · ·you in your role as the town manager that a nicely
·5· · · ·worded letter to DRA would basically get them to
·6· · · ·set the tax rate, right?
·7· ·A.· Yes.
·8· ·Q.· That's the context that you're explaining?
·9· ·A.· Yes.
10· ·Q.· So the next message then is, If the SB -- select
11· · · ·board; is that right?
12· ·A.· Yes.
13· ·Q.· -- has clear conflicts -- what were you talking
14· · · ·about with respect to the conflicts at that point
15· · · ·in time, January 14th?
16· ·A.· Specifically the issues that Jennifer Boucher and I
17· · · ·had brought up to the select board about the
18· · · ·possibility of Christopher Hawkins being involved
19· · · ·in this.
20· ·Q.· Okay.· So on that date at that point in time you
21· · · ·knew that the board of selectmen or SB, select
22· · · ·board, was communicating with DTC and there was
23· · · ·some question or issue about a conflict of
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·1· · · ·interest?
·4· ·A.· We were aware that there was something going on.
·5· ·Q.· Okay.· And then the final message on that page at
·6· · · ·the bottom of that, Also if the SB voted in the
·7· · · ·nonmeeting to retain DTC for the tax rate matter,
·8· · · ·then I recommend you ratify that in a vote in a
·9· · · ·publicly warned meeting to keep us all out of
10· · · ·trouble.· Follow the procedure, basically; is that
11· · · ·accurate?
12· ·A.· I did write that.
13· ·Q.· Okay.· And what was your understanding at that time
14· · · ·as to the board of selectmen voting to retain DTC
15· · · ·and that vote occurring in a nonmeeting?
16· ·A.· What I was trying to say there was that it couldn't
17· · · ·happen in a nonmeeting.· If they wanted to do
18· · · ·something with regards to retaining an attorney,
19· · · ·they needed to do it in a publicly warned meeting.
20· ·Q.· Okay.· Did you know as of January 14th whether or
21· · · ·not the board of selectmen voted during a
22· · · ·nonmeeting to retain DTC with respect to the tax
23· · · ·setting issue?
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·1· ·A.· I had no idea.
·2· ·Q.· Okay.
·3· ·A.· What had occurred in any nonmeeting.
·4· ·Q.· You knew that there was some, there were
·5· · · ·discussions about it after that, you didn't have
·6· · · ·more detail?
·7· ·A.· I didn't have any detail.
·8· ·Q.· Okay.· And then on the last page you go on to say,
·9· · · ·Okay.· Jennifer and I didn't get the intention of
10· · · ·the motion made.· That was or is the difference in
11· · · ·understanding between you and Jennifer
12· · · ·understanding that the board just said go out and
13· · · ·contact DTC about the tax rate setting issues, but
14· · · ·the board's understanding that the motion made and
15· · · ·the vote taken was that they intended for DTC to be
16· · · ·retained; is that fair to say?
19· ·A.· Say that again.
20· ·Q.· Yeah.· So this first full text on the last page,
21· · · ·Okay.· Jennifer and I didn't get the intention of
22· · · ·the motion.· What does that refer to?
23· ·A.· Well, there was another, there were other texts in
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·1· · · ·between these.
·2· ·Q.· Okay.
·3· ·A.· And so for me it was that I was trying to reiterate
·4· · · ·to Steve that having an intent to do something
·5· · · ·isn't the same thing as doing something.· And the
·6· · · ·motion that was made was very clear.
·7· ·Q.· Okay.
·8· ·A.· So having an intent, it still doesn't achieve what
·9· · · ·they were potentially looking to do.
10· ·Q.· Okay.· And so at this point in time, again
11· · · ·January 14th, what's your understanding as to the
12· · · ·board of selectmen's belief or understanding as to
13· · · ·whether or not DTC, they had actually retained DTC?
14· ·A.· Well, we had gotten that call from Cinde Warmington
15· · · ·suggesting that she had talked to our attorney,
16· · · ·which was Christopher Hawkins.· Jennifer had sent
17· · · ·an email back to Christopher, I mean Eric Maher,
18· · · ·saying that long email where she says, You have not
19· · · ·been retained.· We haven't seen an engagement
20· · · ·letter.· We haven't seen a conflict waiver.· You
21· · · ·couldn't waive your conflict anyway because it was
22· · · ·too gross.
23· · · · · · · · ·And then Eric Maher has sent a letter
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·1· · · ·back to her saying, We were retained.· And so this
·2· · · ·is kind of where this discussion started.
·3· ·Q.· Okay.· The last two, well, last three text
·4· · · ·messages, first of which is from you, Do I need to
·5· · · ·draft the letter I mentioned in my email or is DTC
·6· · · ·taking action for us?
·7· · · · · · · · ·Steve Robbins replies, DTC.· I'm of the
·8· · · ·impression that it's done.
·9· · · · · · · · ·And you responded, Okay.· You were
10· · · ·responding "okay" to what?
11· ·A.· From my perspective in this I was trying to get
12· · · ·information out of Steve.· I wasn't conceding to
13· · · ·anything.
14· ·Q.· So, by saying, Okay, what information were you
15· · · ·trying to get out of him or from him?
16· ·A.· With regards to that okay, at that point I just
17· · · ·needed to know if I was writing a letter.· Again,
18· · · ·this is a very busy time.· I just needed to know.
19· · · ·Just tell me what you want me to do.
20· · · · · · · · ·And from, with this chain -- Steve had
21· · · ·been very pushy about insisting that I communicate
22· · · ·with DTC; and I had been very clear that I didn't
23· · · ·feel that was appropriate.· And so this was very
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·1· · · ·awkward even trying to discuss with him, Am I
·2· · · ·writing the letter, am I'm not writing a letter?
·3· · · ·What are you trying to do?· If you're going to do
·4· · · ·something, do it in a publicly warned meeting.· Do
·5· · · ·it properly.· Like it was this weird time working
·6· · · ·with him.
·7· ·Q.· And so to what did you respond, Okay?
·8· ·A.· Whether I had to write the letter or not.· I just
·9· · · ·needed to know if I was still doing what Fred told
10· · · ·me to do.
11· ·Q.· Okay.
12· · · · · · · · ·MR. SOUCY:· I believe those are all the
13· · · ·questions I have.· The note that we are going to
14· · · ·suspend the deposition of Ms. Codling pending the
15· · · ·outcome of the motion for summary judgment and
16· · · ·whether or not discovery and the lawsuit continues.
17· · · · · · · · ·MR. LEHMANN:· All right.
18· · · · · · · · ·MR. KLINE:· Okay.
19· · · · · · · · ·(Whereupon, the deposition was suspended
20· · · ·at 2:56 p.m.)
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·1· · · · · · · · · ·E R R A T A· ·P A G E
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· · · · · I, BRIGITTE CODLING, have read the transcript of
·3· ·my deposition held on May 20, 2024, in the matter TOWN
· · ·OF HAVERHILL V. DTC, and the same is true and correct,
·4· ·to the best of my knowledge, with the exception of the
· · ·following changes noted below, if any:
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· · · · · Sworn to and subscribed before me,
21· ·this the _____ day of ___________, 2025.
22· · · · · · · · · · · · · ·____________________________
· · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·Notary Public
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·1· · · · · · · ·C E R T I F I C A T E
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·3· · · · · I, Dawn L. Griffin-Smith, a Licensed Court
·4· ·Reporter and Notary Public of the State of New
·5· ·Hampshire, do hereby certify that the foregoing is
·6· ·a true and accurate transcript of my stenographic
·7· ·notes of the deposition of· BRIGITTE CODLING, who
·8· ·was duly sworn, taken at the place and on the date
·9· ·hereinbefore set forth.
10· · · · · I further certify that I am neither
11· ·attorney or counsel for, nor related to or
12· ·employed by any of the parties to the action in
13· ·which this deposition was taken, and further that
14· ·I am not a relative or employee of any attorney or
15· ·counsel employed in this case, nor am I
16· ·financially interested in this action.
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19· · · · · · · Dawn L. Griffin-Smith
· · · · · · · · Licensed Court Reporter
20· · · ·Certificate #108 (RSA 310-A:161-181)
· · · · My Commission expires:· 1/22/25
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Exhibits
11282993 BR
IGITTE.
CODLING.
EXHIBIT1
4:14 60:6
61:9
11282993 BR
IGITTE.
CODLING.
EXHIBIT2
4:16 5:3
68:19
69:1
96:17,18
11282993 BR
IGITTE.
CODLING.
EXHIBIT3
4:17 75:7
11282993 BR
IGITTE.
CODLING.
EXHIBIT4
4:19
122:1,4
11282993 BR
IGITTE.
CODLING.
EXHIBIT5
4:20
130:19
11282993 BR
IGITTE.
CODLING.
EXHIBIT6
4:15,21
146:22
11282993 BR
IGITTE.
CODLING.
EXHIBIT7
4:22
153:18
11282993 BR
IGITTE.
CODLING.
EXHIBIT8
4:23
155:6
11282993 BR
IGITTE.
CODLING.
EXHIBIT9
5:3 165:6
11282993 BR
IGITTE.
CODLING.
EXHIBIT10
5:4
172:13
174:17,18
11282993 BR
IGITTE.
CODLING.
EXHIBIT11
5:5
174:10,19
175:12
1
60:6 61:9
1/13/23
122:1
1/27/22
146:22
1/31/22
153:18
1/6/23
165:6
1/9/22
68:19
10
172:13
174:17,18
100
84:16
10:29
166:2
10th
75:13
174:2
175:1
11
88:2
174:10,19
175:12
11:36
88:3
11th
75:12,22
88:12
89:23
90:12
92:5,18
95:18
12th
72:19
113:8
13
122:8,14
13th
124:21
14
116:14
169:6
171:17
14th
175:2,15
176:15
177:20
179:11
15
169:6
16
81:21
17
123:3
17th
74:18
75:4
1800s
35:10
2
2
20:22
68:19
69:1
96:17,18
131:2
2/2/22
155:6
20
11:5,12,
13
2000-
76:19
141:13
2014
10:18
2019
11:1,2
12:6
69:15
2020
11:23
12:9,18
13:2
35:9,13
57:1
61:13,22
63:5 77:1
2021
90:3,6,12
101:6
2022
32:15,19
35:9,13
43:19
44:11
45:2,10
69:4
70:17
71:19
75:12,13
76:20
77:23
87:16
100:11
102:11
116:15,17
129:4
141:11,
14,17
143:3
146:1
147:3,17
150:1
154:18
155:12
165:15
166:2,17
168:2
170:21
2023
58:13,15
75:22
76:19
88:2,12
90:13
100:1
108:16
109:1,9
112:5
113:9
122:9,14
123:3
124:21
126:15
127:6
128:9
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141:4
146:1
171:17,22
2024
10:21
22
141:9,15
23
128:11
23rd
11:1
24
10:18,19
27
48:12
77:12
78:2
79:16
80:22
84:5
87:15
101:5
109:19,20
110:5,8
111:8,12,
16,23
114:23
115:12
140:17
141:3,6
147:17
151:4,8,
11,20
152:18
166:7
167:2
27th
147:2
150:1
153:2
28
48:12
77:12
78:2
79:16
80:22
84:22
87:15
101:5
109:19,20
110:5,8
111:8,13,
16,23
114:23
115:12
140:18
141:3,6
151:5,20
166:7
167:2
2:28
75:23
2:56
181:20
2nd
155:12
162:3
3
3
58:14
75:7
87:23
3/6/20
60:6
31
121:20
153:17
31st
154:17
35
154:4
171:15
37
18:5,6
38:4
3rd
11:2
4
4
122:1,4
175:11
4th
81:14
148:2
5
5
130:19
175:11
5/15/24
75:7
54
130:17
5:00
174:5
5:34
122:15
5th
165:15
166:2,17
170:21
6
6
146:22
175:12
6th
61:12
7
7
153:18
7/12/23
130:19
8
8
155:6
8th
10:17,21
9
9
165:6
91-A
120:15
137:11
99
53:16
9th
69:4
92:16
93:21
96:14
97:3
145:17
146:11,14
174:1,5
175:1
A
a.m.
88:3
166:2
ability
27:5 45:6
117:1
138:20
abnormal
106:2
absolutely
87:19
98:12
126:3
164:3
165:4
accomplishe
d
93:18
96:12
accuracy
167:3
accurate
36:7
47:11
50:13
72:10
116:17
171:18,21
177:11
achieve
179:8
acquired
126:14,16
act
36:11
111:4
112:2
acting
44:7
109:10
action
47:18
49:2,3
88:18
89:21
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119:11
120:1
126:2,18
172:18
180:6
actions
19:16
49:8
102:10
139:1,2,
10,21
172:6
actively
92:8
activities
18:14,23
19:14,21
24:6 27:7
36:14
133:14
activity
33:20,22
36:4
37:18
56:6
actual
66:1
71:15
153:13
159:3
170:16
acutely
24:18
127:7
add
43:12
60:12
172:15
added
105:15,23
106:9
adding
154:9
addition
8:15
15:14,20
42:20
59:9 66:1
89:2
98:15
150:19
152:12
162:16
163:7
168:3
additional
12:14
59:16
84:7,11
151:3
152:10
162:20
163:5
166:23
address
51:11
94:1
98:17
134:16
addressed
122:15,19
152:5
addressing
109:13
administrat
ion
14:23
15:16
22:3 23:8
32:2,13,
16 36:5
56:11
82:13
97:10
99:17
127:16
168:16,17
administrat
or
10:14
25:20,22
79:7
admonish
157:19
160:2,13
admonishing
144:13
advance
124:5,9,
13
advice
117:13
118:9,13
119:3,10
advisory
83:20,22
84:1
169:4,6
affect
121:3
affidavit
116:13
148:17
149:2
171:15
affirmation
8:11
AG's
122:20
Agency
11:4,13
agree
41:1
agreed
55:5
66:22
67:13
72:8
112:11,23
agreed-upon
58:16
agreement
57:18
59:5,10,
11,18
65:22
66:1,4,8
105:4
112:10,23
113:2
ahead
59:1 78:6
117:16
147:21
170:6
172:1
allegation
105:19
allegations
31:8
allege
172:7
alleged
76:16
allegedly
28:16
alleging
29:11,17,
22 30:1
allowed
9:22
allowing
160:10
alternate
152:10
amount
56:3
110:18
164:2
amounts
110:10
111:13
analysis
13:23
and/or
16:9 17:7
129:9
158:20
annual
22:20
79:23
87:11
102:23
106:19
111:10
140:20
141:12
156:12
anomalies
152:14
anomaly
152:7
answerable
18:8
answers
8:8 14:13
anticipate
7:19 8:1
24:6
anticipatin
g
30:21
anxiety
172:6
anymore
138:14
139:17
anytime
63:22
apologies
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: actions..apologies
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
165:8
apparently
69:18
appeal
114:21
115:4
appeals
114:19
appears
43:19
62:6 69:7
122:18
166:13
applied
85:3,4
161:23
appraised
158:17,18
appropriati
on
63:11
approval
26:2,11
68:1
158:23
159:17
approved
54:16
68:3
85:19
approves
22:22
approximate
ly
140:23
April
10:17,21
11:1,2
81:14
148:2
architectur
al
11:18
areas
15:23
16:2,18
17:1
21:19
63:13
argument
124:10,
13,14
arise
166:9
arrangement
39:3
article
77:12
78:2
83:11
84:5,22
85:6,13
101:5
108:14
110:5
111:12
114:23
141:3,6
142:18
150:10
151:4,8,
11
152:17,18
articles
48:12
78:14
79:15
80:1,22
81:10
82:5,8
85:3,4,
19,21
86:4
87:1,11,
15
109:19,20
110:8
111:8,12,
16,23
112:2
115:12
140:17,19
141:11,23
142:2,6,
9,10,21
143:3,6
148:5
150:20
151:4,19
152:13,21
155:2,20
157:17,18
160:2,20
161:16
163:6
166:7
167:1,2
articulate
56:20
asks
83:16
160:1
aspects
158:13
assessment
31:7,11,
15 53:3
63:10
97:7
146:2
159:8
assign
94:18
assigned
37:1
39:9,19
42:8 49:6
50:22
61:22
83:3
assignment
50:19
117:3
assist
21:22
31:5
48:10
assistant
32:17
92:3
118:1,6,
10,14,16
150:9
166:18
association
12:23
21:4
137:4
140:2,14
assume
152:21,22
assumption
56:1
assured
131:7
attached
130:15
152:21
157:17
166:21
171:15
attachment
154:11
attempted
45:13
attempting
114:21
135:12
attempts
157:19
attend
93:11,12
99:9
attendance
106:21
attended
62:8
attention
28:2
attested
116:14
attorney
7:8 9:10,
13 13:17,
21 37:21
60:20
75:14
93:9 97:5
98:22
106:7
108:23
117:5
118:21
119:14,16
122:21,22
124:22
125:21
130:22
131:4,14,
21 132:7
172:20
177:18
179:15
attorneys
9:11 14:6
32:10
38:5 64:9
69:12,14
97:3
98:19
99:7
109:2,8
123:15
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: apparently..attorneys
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
136:15
audible
8:14
authority
18:2 27:4
32:21
33:16
34:5,6,15
36:13,19
39:13,21
40:8,20
41:3,12
44:1
45:6,14,
17 46:2,
6,20,22
47:3
50:20,23
51:18
64:19
65:7,10
67:4 68:4
105:1
133:1
159:21
authorize
26:12
authorized
46:20
54:17
55:6
avenue
143:11
awarded
12:8
aware
24:17,19
29:10,17,
22 72:19
85:8
127:7
128:22
146:5
177:4
awful
144:6
awkward
181:1
B
bachelor's
11:17
back
11:16
17:22
25:20,21
26:8,14
32:6,14,
19 35:9,
10 38:9
40:12
43:4 47:2
60:9
61:7,22
63:5
72:22
78:20
80:17
83:16
87:17
88:12
98:7
100:10
105:9
107:11
108:1,13,
15 109:9
112:14
115:17
116:4,6
117:21
118:7
119:6
125:12
127:14
134:7
136:2
139:12
142:7
144:11
151:15
153:2
156:17
159:5
162:9,14
164:10
165:9
167:13
168:2,13
169:13,19
170:21
171:3,11,
14 173:23
179:17
180:1
backdrop
162:11
background
163:2,14
balances
24:16
25:9
ball
65:1
ballot
111:10
141:12
barely
61:15
based
14:20
32:18
37:23
50:18
52:6
83:21
100:14
113:14
basically
45:17
71:11
74:7
176:5
177:10
basis
20:2
22:20
42:7
112:1
137:2
bearing
102:10
103:9
106:16
began
56:21
begin
9:21
beginning
73:13
89:15
93:2
108:15
146:1
begins
76:1 88:4
behalf
27:18
29:19
31:1,16,
19 32:8
52:19
53:12,20
66:3
102:22
113:23
115:5
123:18
134:1
135:7
136:9
139:7
150:11
158:6
belief
86:7
179:12
believed
45:3
70:18
73:19
111:21
112:1,3
134:15
benefit
54:11
133:17,
19,21
135:8,9,
11 149:14
bias
107:1,2
biased
103:6
bid
20:22
22:16
bidding
21:2,3
big
127:17
biggest
67:16
bill
49:18,20,
21,22
51:10
111:4
132:20
billing
26:10
bind
84:4
89:14
binders
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: audible..binders
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
128:4,5,
19
binding
83:20,22
binds
83:23
bit
45:5
101:18
132:21
170:15
biweekly
20:10
Bjelobrk
87:4
156:9
black-and-
white
174:16
board
17:6,7,11
18:13
19:14,19
20:3,7,11
22:20,21
23:3
26:1,11,
15 27:4,
14,19
28:2,5
29:12,20
30:13
31:4
32:20
33:1,15,
18,20
34:7
36:3,12
37:1,8,19
38:5,7,14
39:3,8,
12,20
40:4,18
41:11
42:2,8,11
43:8,19,
22 44:6,
13,14,19
45:1,2,
10,12,15,
23 46:4,
14,19
47:2,18
49:2,3,6,
11 50:3,
22 52:1
55:12
56:1,5
61:21
62:8,15,
16,23
64:18
65:6,9
66:7,23
67:5
68:1,11,
18 69:2
72:18,23
73:2,8,
14,16
74:8,11,
20,22
75:1,5
76:5
78:13,16,
22 79:1,
3,6,14
80:13
81:2
86:8,9,
13,14,17,
18,20,22
88:8,14,
17,18,20
89:5,13,
14,17,19,
21 90:10,
19 91:2,
7,14,19
94:1,17
96:22
97:8,23
98:10,16
99:10
100:1,10,
15,22
101:6,10,
22 102:11
103:6,12
104:22
105:6
106:17,23
107:16
109:9
114:18
115:5
116:20
117:9
118:8,13
119:1,6,
8,18,20
120:3,13,
21 125:5
126:1,8,
11,18,21
127:6,10,
14
128:13,
15,17,20
129:4,7
130:1,10
131:8
132:12
134:5,14,
15 138:6
146:13
156:2,7,
10 157:9
158:16,
20,21
159:9,12,
14,21
163:18,19
164:20
165:22
166:3
176:11,
17,21,22
177:14,21
178:12
179:12
board's
90:4
96:10
146:1
158:23
178:14
boards
101:6
Bob
156:3
160:6
body
17:11
123:2
Boldt
97:19
98:23
99:8
bookkeeper
25:17,19,
21
bottom
69:11
75:20
76:10
94:13
131:2,3
157:15
158:1
165:20
174:2
177:6
Boucher
41:21
69:9
84:14
85:2 92:2
97:2
99:17
100:12
117:18
118:4,12,
19 124:21
128:2
151:9
158:16
176:16
boundaries
16:16
box
26:16
boxes
127:17,18
128:3
132:19
break
10:5 60:4
61:8
115:23
171:7,13
Briana
122:22
Brigitte
6:2 7:2
45:17
131:9
132:13
166:4
bring
21:6
28:1,5
67:7
broader
63:13
broke
116:6
brought
43:9
47:11
65:14
76:15
77:7
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: binding..brought
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
110:20
112:8
125:18
134:5,15
156:9
176:17
budget
22:22
23:3,4
25:15,16
68:2
169:4,6,
8,9
buggy
162:14
building
22:15
24:4
buildings
20:18
21:8
business
102:5
164:16
166:8
169:11
busy
164:1,10
169:11,12
180:18
Butterfield
118:21
131:5,14,
21 132:7
C
C-O-D-L-I-
N-G
7:2
calendar
93:5
call
125:19
166:20
169:1
179:14
called
132:10
141:18
calls
143:12,
19,20,22
167:5,7
capacity
14:12,22
30:13
34:4
103:19
caption
62:10
154:7
care
21:8
career
12:17
careful
136:18
137:5,6
carried
19:13
23:11
124:1
carry
59:17
case
37:15
65:17
66:21,22
94:18
147:23
152:14
166:9
cases
24:13
94:18
categorizat
ion
72:2
category
52:11
caused
133:22
144:6
151:8,9,
20 172:7
CC'D
122:16
165:21
center
174:1
Central
16:1
certainty
101:21
certificati
on
12:19
certificati
ons
13:11,13
certified
13:12
chain
75:11
122:12
131:2
175:6
180:20
chair
43:6
45:15
66:5 73:2
76:7,8
79:4 87:3
125:23
chairman
66:7 76:5
chance
68:21
75:13
122:3
130:21
153:22
154:14
155:9,14
165:17
172:22
173:5
change
10:19
134:2
138:1
changed
10:19
36:21
137:8,16
138:6
143:23
144:1
Chapter
18:6
characteriz
e
129:10
145:9
check
25:22,23
26:1,3
31:22
87:17,18
91:10
checked
26:16
checking
24:19
125:14
checks
24:15
25:9
27:5,6,11
32:11
Chris
30:10
51:14,20
53:19,23
74:20
97:19
99:6,7
108:16,
18,22
109:2,5,6
110:2
112:5
113:17,22
114:7
115:10
122:16,21
123:12
125:20
131:4
132:4,10
139:5
Christine
93:13
135:2
144:23
175:22
Christmas
12:3
Christopher
98:22
104:6
122:7
176:18
179:16,17
chronologic
al
128:4,5
chronology
11:16
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: budget..chronology
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
Ciandella
28:17,22
Cinde
125:19
179:14
cited
97:5
clarity
132:15
clean
10:8
clear
9:4,8
70:13
97:5
109:5,6
124:17
126:20
129:14
160:7
162:2
176:13
179:6
180:22
cleared
96:7
clerk
80:2,10
82:6,9
111:9
127:22
150:10
client
81:19,23
closed
113:3,9
closely
123:17
151:23
closing
148:19
CMS
11:8
coauthored
74:19
code
25:15
coded
25:11
codes
26:6
Codling
6:2 7:2,3
60:17
116:6
171:13
181:14
collection
63:15
Collectivel
y
158:4
College
11:17
color
172:21
comments
107:23
commissione
rs
103:14
committee
169:4,7
common
16:3
common-name
15:23
communicate
98:9
123:13
138:10
139:6,13
140:7
143:9
158:11
180:21
communicate
d
74:16,23
78:12
143:5,8
communicati
ng
74:12
77:4
142:8
176:22
communicati
on
143:1,2
communicati
ons
56:6
79:1,10
81:1,7
82:3
85:20
86:10
102:10
123:15
131:20
132:7
133:7
136:18,22
144:1
163:20
164:7
communities
136:23
company
23:8
107:9
139:3
Compared
167:5
compile
82:14
complaint
28:14
47:13
48:21
complete
127:11
completed
24:22
completing
12:13
component
67:16
76:23
composition
130:10
comprised
94:8
computer
150:13
conceding
180:12
concerned
96:20
concluded
112:16
conditional
ly
116:15
conduct
82:17
149:7
conducted
90:1
confer
63:22
conference
93:15,16,
19
conferred
12:8
39:11
confidence
98:23
confines
161:1
confirmatio
n
93:20
conflict
31:22
32:5,11
33:9,11
37:21
40:21
51:15
69:17,19
70:8,16,
21,22
71:1,2,4,
8,10,11,
12,18
72:10,12,
13,14
91:9,10
96:1,7
108:17,
19,22
109:4
115:8,9
176:23
179:20,21
conflicts
13:23
37:10
41:14
44:2,15
45:7
46:16
47:4
70:13
97:6
109:6
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: Ciandella..conflicts
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
117:2
176:13,14
confusion
29:1
connected
48:12,13,
14 52:9
55:13
77:9
109:19
110:1
115:16
connectin
124:16
connection
9:20 14:6
20:15
28:15
29:7 30:4
31:1
36:14
39:22
53:18
57:23
65:15
66:12,18
71:19
73:18
75:2 77:6
101:23
102:3,9
109:11
112:6
114:1,6,
14 116:9
117:6
121:10
124:2,17,
18 125:3,
6 136:8
140:1
141:2
163:8
173:14
connections
115:11
considerati
on
8:3
considered
130:3
consistent
62:21
65:4
constituted
44:19
45:11
90:10
100:2
contact
44:9 46:7
86:23
178:13
contacted
141:18
contents
149:4
contested
149:14
context
56:4
132:17
168:7
170:9
176:8
continue
37:20
96:3
134:6
continued
70:14
174:10
continues
181:16
continuing
13:6,7,
14,16
126:3
contract
11:8 21:4
27:17
37:20
117:5
118:11
172:18
contracting
21:3
22:17
contractor
23:8
contractors
20:17
27:13
contracts
18:20
20:15
35:16,22
37:10
40:20
41:13
44:1,15
45:7
46:16
47:4
117:2
contradicto
ry
149:19
control
77:10
88:23
104:17
conversatio
n
8:10 87:5
125:7,11
126:5
128:12
131:18
143:15
153:3
157:5
conversatio
ns
7:21
78:23
79:10
80:12
128:17
129:17
131:19,20
132:6
138:12
153:7
157:2,8
convey
38:15
conveyed
90:19
conveying
34:6
coordinate
22:19
copies
154:5
173:20
174:16
copy
127:11,13
166:12
170:23
cordial
138:12
core
165:16
corner
15:12
154:4
correct
10:18
13:18
14:7 15:6
19:8
21:13
28:17
29:13,22
30:20
31:20
34:8
37:12
39:13,18,
22 40:9
43:13
47:5,9
52:11
53:4
54:3,12
57:19
58:17
59:14
65:12
67:22
68:6
69:4,9,10
70:5
76:6,20
77:8,18,
19 78:4
79:11
81:4 82:7
83:5
85:15
87:16
90:15,23
96:4
98:11
106:9
111:10,
14,18
112:17,20
113:10
114:10
115:17
122:5
134:5,8,
11 141:5,
15,19
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: confusion..correct
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
150:13
152:20
154:15,19
155:12
165:23
corrected
146:11
corrections
25:21
correctly
83:19
94:4
146:15
166:10
correlate
132:20
Councilor
133:8
counsel
60:13
119:9,22
counterpart
158:15
counting
131:1
County
94:9
couple
40:13
courses
12:15,16,
21 13:3,
5,14
coursework
12:5
court
6:3 29:6,
7 30:5
36:1
47:14
57:14,22
58:10
59:4,8
65:1
112:15
113:4,8
Court's
81:14
148:2
cover
7:10
131:1
154:21
covered
64:21
65:16
coversheet
60:19
create
109:4
149:18
credibility
81:23
148:10,
14,22
149:8
credibility
's
149:11
credible
149:2
credits
13:15,16
crew
170:13
crisis
88:7
current
49:10
50:5
130:10
custody
104:17
cut
27:11
cutting
27:5,6
D
D-O-W
147:8
daily
137:2
damage
138:17
143:21
damaged
172:5
Darwin
61:17
date
10:20
36:23
37:5
65:10
113:6
146:17,19
156:17
176:20
dated
75:22
122:8
154:17
155:11
dates
173:23
day
125:15
138:22
164:1,3,
10 166:8,
17
day-to-day
18:18
19:14
36:4
164:16
days
96:9
162:14
deadline
87:7,10
140:18,23
141:2
142:12
deal
133:22
137:1
152:6
dealing
155:22
dealt
162:10
December
12:2
92:11
93:2
145:15
169:10
decide
66:21
72:23
decided
68:12
deciding
94:17
decision
27:13
67:1,18,
20 68:8,
15 89:20
97:9
100:2
129:23
149:13
152:9,12,
18,23
153:8,10,
15
decision-
making
44:9 46:7
decisions
19:16
42:10
49:8
50:20
61:23
116:22
declaratory
28:14
defect
92:15,21
93:20,23
145:18
146:6,7
defendant's
81:16
definitive
43:17
degree
11:17,19,
22 12:4,8
delay
92:13
93:22
94:16,23
145:9,21
146:2
delaying
76:18
delegate
40:6,19
41:2
delegated
33:19
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: corrected..delegated
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
36:4
37:2,18
39:9,19
41:12
42:8 49:7
61:22
64:19
65:6
117:17,18
delegating
46:22
116:21
delegation
50:3
117:9
delivered
23:12
24:9,15
25:13
deliveries
24:2
delivering
96:13
department
21:10
22:11
23:14,18
24:10,13,
18 25:11
26:8,20
56:10
85:2
122:20
123:4
157:18
departments
16:4,7,9
21:5
depending
151:7
depends
82:22
deposed
6:4
deposition
7:3 61:9
116:8
122:5
140:16
148:3
150:7
154:14
181:14,19
derogatory
106:22
107:6,7,
15,22
108:6
description
26:4
desire
159:10
desk
127:22
detail
132:21
178:6,7
determinati
on
148:23
determine
20:21
92:19
difference
178:10
differently
138:8,9,
10
diligence
91:11
diploma
12:12
direct
15:5 41:8
129:17
168:14
169:16
directed
159:13,14
168:23
direction
8:22
directly
21:10
23:16
24:8
48:12,13,
14 73:23
74:15
92:2
104:21
109:18,20
114:11
115:16
135:15
director
147:11,12
disagree
81:18
97:22
disallow
157:16
159:20
160:1,19
disallowanc
e
86:14
disallowed
86:6
disallowing
157:18
161:16
disclosing
71:20
72:3
disclosure
71:15,20
discovered
126:11
128:14
discovery
181:16
discuss
83:17
92:23
120:17
156:10
181:1
discussed
42:4,5
95:2,7
130:12
discussing
95:22
discussion
38:11
69:12
95:11,20
125:2
139:17
157:11
180:2
discussions
78:21
79:13
81:1
86:13,15,
16,21
178:5
displeasure
101:5
dispute
64:2,8,
14,21
67:7,14
distinct
15:19
distinction
s
15:15
distributio
n
63:11,15,
19
district
16:16
30:12
33:17
34:16,17,
19 35:4,5
36:7
39:17
46:3,9
47:8
51:20
53:21
54:1,12,
22,23
57:12
59:13
69:22
70:4,7,9,
10,11,19
72:4,5,15
101:8
102:1,4,
5,6,15,
20,21,22
103:8,13,
20
106:12,20
112:3
113:20
114:4,9,
14,20
115:1
124:6
160:10
district's
48:17
109:22
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: delegating..district's
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
District/
village
106:12
districts
15:8,10,
14,20,21
16:2,10,
11 17:15
94:9
121:6
157:20
160:2,14,
21,23
161:1,3
162:12
163:3
docket
113:1,2
document
60:18
61:8,10
65:20
68:22
71:18
75:10,11,
21 86:8
87:23
104:1,4,
7,18
105:1,3,
10,18
106:3,5
113:3,7
121:19
122:4
130:15,22
147:1
154:15
documented
38:11
documents
29:6,8
30:4 36:1
54:23
57:22
65:19,21
66:11
68:8,15
100:14,
17,19,20,
21 101:13
102:15
103:7,18
104:5,9,
13 106:4,
8 126:15,
16,19
127:7,13
128:14,22
133:4
134:13
136:3
163:2
170:3
173:15
dollar
110:9,18
dollars
63:12
110:9,16
Donahue
28:16,21
double
120:11
doubts
133:9
Dow
139:16
147:8,10
150:2
DRA
30:5 31:1
35:23
36:15
56:11,13,
19,21
57:3,23
73:10,18
75:3
76:18
77:5
78:1,8
79:20
81:10,19,
22 82:7,
14,17
83:4,16
84:6
85:5,12,
17,20
86:10,23
88:15,21
89:4
90:21
91:4
92:4,6,9,
23 93:14
98:15
99:1
109:12
112:6
114:1,6,
9,15
121:2,10
122:14
123:4,8,
12,20
124:18
133:8
134:4,10,
17 135:1,
15
136:10,14
139:5
140:17
141:19
142:9
143:2,5,
8,19,22
144:17
145:10,11
147:14,
15,16,19
148:7
150:2,3,
13,17,20
151:7,10,
21,23
152:5
153:1
154:18
155:3,12,
17,18
158:11,14
159:11,
14,18
160:1,13,
19,20
162:3,5,
18 163:6,
7,20
166:6,19
167:1,4,
10,15,23
168:18,23
169:1,14
176:5
DRA's
83:7
146:3
153:4
162:10
draft
133:6
180:5
drafted
104:3
drafting
155:15
dragged
76:19
driver's
88:22
Drummond
32:3
69:12,18
70:9,17
71:3,19
72:16,20
92:4,5,8,
17 93:13
94:15
95:23
96:11,12,
20,21,23
97:6
121:8,16
123:9,15,
17 124:1,
4,9,12
126:3,15,
19,23
134:1
135:14,
19,20
136:15
155:19
156:4
158:13
159:8
175:21,22
176:3
DTC
28:22
29:2,10,
17 30:3,
6,15 32:7
47:11
48:9
49:20,22
51:8,23
52:18,20
53:11
54:2,8,
17,23
55:6,11
56:2
68:17
73:9,17
74:3,13,
21 75:2
97:3,5,
10,11,19,
21 98:2,
11,17,18,
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: District/village..DTC
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
19 99:7
100:3
104:6
105:3,6
108:17,21
109:1,2,
7,11,12
113:17
123:9
124:22
125:2,5
126:2
127:1,6,
11,12
128:14
129:8,11,
20 130:9
132:8,23
133:6,9,
18
134:15,
20,22
135:5,17,
20 136:3,
5,7,10
138:2,5
143:19
144:8,11,
17 145:5
171:3
176:22
177:7,14,
22
178:13,15
179:13
180:5,7,
22
DTC's
131:15,21
139:21
144:15
172:6
due
77:11,12
91:10
duly
6:3
duplicative
135:13
duty
161:20
E
earlier
57:1 65:5
109:20
140:16
150:7
174:14
earliest
87:5
early
77:1
99:11,21
128:11
168:2
East
16:1
edited
74:19
education
11:15
12:13
13:3,7,
14,16
education-
type
13:6
effectively
154:6
elaborate
144:4
elections
44:21
elsewise
140:13
email
74:16
75:7,21,
23 76:4
86:3
88:1,3
89:11,15
91:6
97:19
98:22
122:1,7,
11,12
123:22
124:22
125:4
130:15,19
131:4
132:10
143:2
146:22
147:2,5,
18 150:1
151:3,10,
20
152:12,19
153:1,9,
11,17,18
154:17,22
155:2,6,
11,14,15,
17,18
156:8,13
157:14
158:22
159:1,11,
12,13,18,
19 160:18
162:3
164:4
165:6,10,
14,15,16,
21 166:4,
14,19
167:4,9
168:2,4
169:13
170:20
175:6
179:17,18
180:5
emailed
78:1
141:18
emails
75:11
86:4
131:3,19
133:7
135:22
143:12,17
162:4,6,
17,20,21
163:5
164:17
166:5,22,
23
167:10,
11,14
171:1
emergency
69:2
174:4
employed
10:22
54:2
108:18,23
employee
54:22
83:7,9
117:21
employees
69:6
employer
107:8,9
employment
10:11
18:22
117:7,8,
12 119:3
employment-
related
19:7
encompassed
63:12
end
10:8 12:6
58:7 59:6
71:2
90:9,12
92:10
110:4
126:5
145:15,23
152:3
164:2
166:7
169:9
ended
112:14
145:5
engage
20:16
21:6
27:18
32:10,21
33:22
engaged
33:11
119:16
engagement
31:23
103:10
104:2
105:7,16
179:19
engaging
27:12
32:1 33:9
enormous
164:1
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: Dtc's..enormous
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
enter
82:18
83:10
entered
25:18
150:12
entering
82:19
152:13
entire
17:8,12,
13 31:22
89:14
158:7
entities
94:11
136:17
138:21
entity
103:3
entry
55:17,19
56:7
erasing
47:3
Eric
122:15
179:17,23
essentially
60:19
established
27:16
36:1
estate
64:17
evaluation
55:18
56:2
84:21
event
7:6 8:16
37:8
events
15:4
43:20
44:11
eventually
144:4
everybody's
103:22
evidence
102:8
104:18,21
127:8
149:19
exact
37:5
45:16
107:14
108:4
153:7
examination
6:6 149:7
examples
103:5
exchange
174:7
exchanged
67:17
excluding
99:14,20
100:11
exclusively
65:3
execute
23:6
executed
59:5
executing
18:20
57:16
execution
21:4
22:18
exhibit
60:6 61:9
68:19
69:1 75:7
81:21
96:17,18
121:20,23
122:1,4
130:16,19
146:22
153:18,20
154:13
155:6,8
165:6
172:13
174:10,
17,18,19
175:12
exhibits
97:20
exist
71:16
124:7
existed
45:1
expect
7:19
21:11
24:6
expected
21:16,18
expecting
30:21
experience
15:5
124:8
expert
13:22
14:4,5,10
21:12,16
expertise
21:19
explain
17:5
42:16
89:13
91:13,19
132:21
137:7
138:7
168:9
173:6
explained
42:21
115:2
124:23
132:19
139:22
166:14
176:2,3
explaining
176:8
explanation
38:14
73:4
74:2,5,8
99:19
167:7
explicit
47:6
86:11
95:19
explicitly
40:15
89:18
126:20
137:20,22
express
46:5
expressed
96:19
159:10
expressing
158:6
extinguish
47:1
extinguishi
ng
47:3
F
face
53:9
76:11
77:3
127:4
fact
7:6 15:4
31:15
51:10
67:3
97:19
98:6
100:22
101:6
109:2
138:4
161:9
162:6
facts
33:4
81:21
149:2
factual
84:19
149:17,18
failed
45:21
112:13
fair
18:22
19:13
35:18
39:1
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: enter..fair
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
71:14,17
83:8
133:13,15
153:5
178:16
fairly
81:8
87:19
fall
50:5,6
52:11
69:15
falls
63:20
familiar
18:1
familiarity
17:17
family
102:7
fault
77:10,17
81:20
favor
148:20
February
58:10,12,
15 90:6
141:1,4,
17 142:13
143:2
155:12
162:3
169:10
feed
168:12
feel
72:6 84:3
154:8
180:23
feelings
96:10
129:5
Feels
87:22
fees
131:8,9,
16 132:13
fell
118:1
felt
28:2,3
52:2
field
139:17
147:10
162:2
file
59:7
63:23
114:18
127:11
filed
29:6 30:4
36:1
47:14
48:15
49:20
51:10
57:22
58:4,9
59:4 77:6
94:11
113:4,6,7
115:4
142:11
143:4
148:5
filing
52:2 64:1
115:3
140:18
142:12,17
Fillmore
93:13
final
22:22
26:1,11
27:4
42:14
67:4
105:7
112:11
177:5
finalizatio
n
57:8
finalized
57:19
59:23
112:18
finally
12:4
26:10
59:4
145:10,13
finance
12:20,23
13:9,12
financial
25:20,22
financially
151:22
152:1
financing
24:16
find
51:4 80:1
83:20
108:13,14
126:14
fine
29:3
fingers
7:17
finished
12:4,5
58:11
fire
16:7
30:12
33:17
34:16,17
35:4
39:17
46:3,9
47:8
51:19
53:21
57:11
100:13,
16,23
101:7,9,
11 102:4,
5,6,14,
20,22
103:12
106:11
109:21
110:15
112:3
113:19,20
114:20
115:1
119:23
124:6
151:15
firing
18:19
19:4
firm
29:2 32:3
54:2
92:4,9
94:18
95:6,21
96:23
98:14
100:3
108:17,21
117:6,12
119:16
firms
14:6
95:8,20
first-time
7:6
fit
52:11
56:15
flowchart
117:22
focused
118:9
follow
91:22
170:21
177:10
follow-up
52:6
foremost
8:9
forever
87:22
forewarned
78:2
form
6:19,20
13:19
14:2,8,14
16:19
17:3,9,23
18:10,17
19:1,9,17
21:14
23:20
24:11
25:6
26:15,18
27:9,22
28:7,19
29:14,23
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: fairly..form
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
30:8,17,
21 31:3,
10 32:9,
22 33:23
34:9
35:19
36:16
37:13
38:2,19
39:4,14,
23 40:10
41:4,17
42:18
43:3,14
44:4,17
45:8
47:16,22
48:23
49:15
50:8,14
52:12,22
53:14
54:4,13,
20 55:15,
22 56:18
57:5
58:2,23
59:20
60:15
67:9,21
68:10
73:11
78:5,18
83:2 96:5
99:4,22
109:16
110:12,22
111:19
113:5,11
117:15
118:2,8,
23 119:7,
19 120:8,
22 130:5
132:1
134:18
141:20
161:6
163:10
165:1
171:23
177:2
178:17
formal
11:15
12:13
13:3
15:10
16:2
36:11
89:21
120:1
150:19
166:20
formally
79:16,20,
22 80:11
82:5
140:9
150:18
157:16
158:2
159:20
format
8:20
forward
65:10
82:1
98:11
166:5
167:11
170:23
found
126:10
128:8
136:3
four-page
130:22
fourth
122:22
174:22
175:5
frame
12:12
35:10
145:14
169:5,19
Fred
66:5,6
87:3
125:13
129:3
156:9,11,
14,21
159:7
181:9
frequently
125:14
front
81:19
87:23
127:22
147:1
frustrated
126:8
frustration
125:17
full
6:11,23
7:14 8:4
33:16
46:2,6
51:18
89:8
178:20
fully
9:21 91:7
152:10
function
34:13
funding
22:20
48:17
77:13
101:8
109:21
110:15
113:20
115:20
155:21
funds
26:13,17
furnace
22:5
future
116:16
157:19
G
G-E-R-R-Y
147:6
Garofalo
66:5,6
87:4
125:1,4
129:3
156:9,11
Garofalo's
129:7
gathered
100:16
gathering
170:3
gave
37:1
43:20
44:12
45:18
75:10
78:1
104:23
165:8
gears
115:22
general
18:6,12
20:19
24:5,9
34:11
43:2
64:23
85:14
105:10
108:9
131:10
142:10,16
147:23
149:8,11
156:5
162:1
167:8
169:12
generally
18:14,22
20:14
23:16
27:20
29:10,21
35:16
62:16
77:22
117:21
generate
71:3
generated
104:3
Gerry
86:4
147:6,7,
8,10
150:2
155:12
gist
126:7
Giuda
155:23
156:3
160:6
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: formal..Giuda
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
give
7:14 8:4,
13,21
9:21
20:3,10,
19 34:8
40:5
41:23
73:4 74:2
117:13
121:19
giving
8:8 9:23
14:11,20,
22 15:2
34:6 46:2
74:5
gloves
170:14
goal
100:13,23
good
17:20
25:13
35:12
61:1 62:8
72:2
99:1,7
101:3,18
115:23
138:22,23
165:19
166:4
173:2
174:12
goodness
84:16
Gotcha
147:17
govern
149:13
governance
17:8,23
22:2 23:9
governing
17:11
government
10:19
12:20,22
13:9,12
14:23
15:15,18
17:4
18:8,17
26:15
77:21
83:2
118:2,8
119:1,7,
19 120:22
governors
11:19
12:22
Grafton
94:9
Graham
173:9
174:3
175:7,8
grant
94:2
146:7
great
93:10
133:22
gross
51:15
179:22
ground
7:7
Group
118:20
131:5
136:14
guarantee
43:16
guarded
136:18
137:5,6
138:15
139:15
140:9
guess
72:2
105:19
106:13
151:17
153:10
160:17
guidance
18:2
142:17
144:23
guys
75:17
146:20
165:17
H
habit
8:12
hairs
173:10
half
59:18
135:10
166:16
halfway
88:1
hall
102:16
143:7
hallway
127:19
Hampshire
10:13
11:1 13:1
14:7
15:1,17
18:4
56:10
83:1
122:14,19
137:3
140:1,4,
13 157:20
160:3
161:3,14,
15
handed
34:14
61:8
handled
144:14
handling
36:4
116:22
139:8
hands
24:8
165:13
handwritten
154:4
happen
92:16,20
93:21
103:14
124:7
150:22,23
151:1
177:17
happened
20:1
115:7
142:21
148:4
167:19
169:4,9
happening
135:14
168:7
harm
133:22
135:9
136:11,13
139:3,11
144:6
harmed
139:20
140:3,12
Hatch
87:4
Haverhill
10:13,23
15:1,9,
12,16,22
16:1,5,22
17:1,2,4,
8 18:3,9,
16 19:12
20:16
23:9
30:12
33:16,19
35:14
47:10
48:15
53:12,20
54:10,16
56:14,23
58:15,21
59:12,17
60:6 64:8
66:4
68:17,19
76:16
77:8
80:23
91:11
100:5
103:2,11,
21 104:9,
20 105:20
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: give..Haverhill
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
106:15,
18,22
107:3
108:10
110:11,
15,16,21
112:8
113:18,
21,23
116:11,16
121:3,4,7
124:2,12
135:7
138:5
150:8
160:5
161:2,5,
19
Haverhill's
28:13
104:10
Hawkins
30:10
51:14,21
53:19,23
74:20
99:6
104:6
108:16,
18,22
109:3,5,6
110:2
112:5
113:17,22
114:7
122:8,16,
22 123:12
125:20
131:4
132:4,10
139:5
176:18
179:16
Hawkins'
115:10
head
8:11
21:10
22:12
25:11
26:8,20
42:14
58:1
heading
50:6 51:5
56:15
154:7
heads
22:12
23:15,18
24:10,14,
18
heard
103:22
125:21
hearing
94:3
136:21
140:6
169:9
heck
9:10
34:23
held
94:3
highlighted
61:16
highway
48:16
77:12
101:8
110:16
170:13
highways
21:20
hindered
138:20
hire
21:18
74:13,21
75:2
98:1,13,
17,18
105:3,6
109:7
119:21
hired
49:23
51:8,13,
16,20
109:10
125:5,15
hiring
18:19
19:4
73:9,17
117:12
125:2
129:8
historical
84:19
104:11
163:1,14
historicall
y
34:13
98:20
history
162:12
hold
80:14
88:8
hone
138:4
honestly
163:12
Hope
175:17
horse
35:6
hour
166:16
hourly
19:5
Howard
87:4
156:16
HR
19:7,11
118:20
119:16
human
18:22
21:20
Hundred-
and-
something
162:13
hundreds
164:13,17
hurt
138:19,20
hypothetica
l
33:1,2
hypothetica
lly
142:14
I
idea
42:4 56:4
80:4 99:6
123:8
178:1
identificat
ion
60:8
68:20
75:8
122:2
130:20
146:23
153:19
155:7
165:7
172:14
174:11
identified
114:23
identify
173:6
illegal
156:6
immediately
72:22
94:19
impact
72:7
impartial
105:19
impartialit
y
103:9,17
104:19
implicate
109:14
important
9:6
164:21
impossible
164:3
impression
180:8
in-depth
74:7
inactions
139:1,2
include
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: Haverhill's..include
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
121:5
included
19:3
111:21
117:4,11
includes
17:14
including
99:19
136:14
incredibly
164:1,9
169:11
independent
ly
44:7
132:5
indicating
95:13
175:21
indication
86:21
98:12
103:16
104:19
105:17
114:12
individual
14:20
47:12
50:18
73:20
78:23
79:1,3,14
80:12
81:1
86:14
88:17
89:19
167:23
individuall
y
78:22
157:2
individuals
21:18
142:16
147:9
154:18
infer
107:5
inference
149:3
inferences
148:20
informal
81:8
informally
140:8
information
32:19
43:17
84:7,11,
15,19
85:1,7,
13,14,17
86:1
94:12
100:3,7,9
101:4
102:8
137:10
150:16
156:3
162:7,22
163:7
164:2,20
167:19
168:13,22
169:1,16,
18,21
170:4
171:3
180:12,14
informed
137:18
initial
83:8
initially
7:12
72:23
82:23
96:2
127:14
150:17
initiate
47:14
48:21
injure
139:11
injured
139:20
140:3,12
172:5
injury
138:17
143:21
input
28:3
153:4
insert
165:11
inside
86:16
insignifica
nt
171:5
insistent
123:12
insisting
180:21
instance
8:17
149:9
instruction
158:21
instrumenta
l
136:4
insuperable
109:4
intend
41:2
intended
40:19
42:13
43:17
46:1
74:3,13,
21 178:15
intends
123:5
intent
37:16
38:6,7,8,
14 40:7
41:22
46:5,14
73:22
75:1
98:1,4,6
131:8,15
160:7
179:4,8
intention
178:9,21
interact
114:8,13
138:9,21
interacted
137:8,17
interacting
114:2
143:22
interaction
164:12
interaction
s
138:1
144:8
interchange
able
34:18
interconnec
ted
115:15,19
interest
37:10,21
40:21
41:14
44:2,16
45:7 47:5
69:17,19
71:4,8,
10,11,18
72:10
108:17,22
115:8,9
117:2
177:1
interim
76:7,8
interrogato
ry
107:18
invalid
87:2
investigati
on
14:18
invoice
55:17,20
invoices
24:23
25:2,9,
11,15
121:9,13
129:20,
22,23
130:9
131:21
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: included..invoices
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
132:8
133:11,19
135:22
involve
109:14
involved
22:7,9
23:10,16
30:3,7,11
43:21
47:10
53:16
56:6,8
57:9
63:10
92:8 99:9
109:7
110:10
111:14
112:7
133:3
143:19
176:18
involvement
20:14
involves
48:5
issue
31:2
35:23
36:15
45:11
53:2
56:9,12,
19 57:3
58:1
73:10,18
74:14
76:11,14,
17 77:3
88:16,21
89:4
90:21
91:4,16
92:1,6,18
94:14
96:4 97:1
98:16
99:2
110:6,14,
17 112:6
113:16
114:1,7,
15 117:7
121:2,10
124:3
125:3,6
129:9
130:3,8
131:22,23
134:3,8,
10,16,23
136:10
138:2
146:4
162:5
175:4
176:23
177:23
issued
33:16
34:5 58:5
issues
81:15
138:5
149:14,18
176:16
178:13
issuing
56:21
94:6
items
135:21
iteration
105:23
iterations
105:15
J
James
86:4
147:5,10
Jamie
139:16
147:8,10
January
11:23
12:10,18
13:2
58:7,8
69:4
70:17
74:18
75:4,12,
22 77:23
88:2,12
89:23
90:12
92:5,16,
18 93:21
95:15,18
96:14
97:3
99:11,21
100:11
108:16
109:1,9
112:5
113:8
122:8,14
123:3
124:21
145:17
146:11
147:2,17
150:1
153:2,17
154:17
169:7
174:1,2
175:1,2
176:15
177:20
179:11
Jennifer
41:21
69:8
84:14
91:20
92:2 97:2
99:17
117:18
118:4,12,
19 128:2
129:14
152:15
153:4,6
158:16
176:16
178:9,11,
21 179:16
Jim
6:13
job
11:6 99:1
Johnston
93:13
judgment
28:14
81:15
116:13
121:21
130:16
147:23
148:3,15,
16,19
149:12,20
170:8
171:16
172:10,17
181:15
Justice
122:20
K
Katie
101:16,22
164:13,17
165:21
168:11
169:22
keeping
158:16
Kevin
45:12
46:5
101:15,21
131:11
163:21
165:16,20
166:2,18,
19 168:11
169:19
170:2,17
Kevin's
45:20
167:9
168:4
kind
12:15
13:14
19:8 21:1
24:23
67:5,23
72:16
81:13
94:16
125:17
127:12
132:19
143:3
145:11
146:2
150:13
168:1
180:2
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: involve..kind
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
KLINE
6:13,15,
17,19,21
13:19
14:2,8,14
16:19
17:9
18:10
19:1,9,17
21:14
23:20
24:11
25:6
26:18
27:9,22
28:7,19
29:14,23
30:8,17
31:3,10
32:9,22
33:23
34:9
35:19
36:16
37:13
38:2,19
39:4,14,
23 40:10
41:4,17
42:18
43:14
44:4,17
45:8
47:16,22
48:23
49:15
50:8,14
52:12,22
53:14
54:4,13,
20 55:15,
22 56:18
57:5
58:2,23
59:20
60:3,10
67:9,21
68:10
73:11
78:5,18
79:18
80:6,14
81:11,13
96:5
99:4,22
109:16
110:12,22
111:19
113:5,11
115:22
117:15
120:8
130:5
132:1
134:18
141:20
142:7
147:20,22
148:2,9
158:8
160:15
161:6
163:10,15
165:1
170:5,7
171:7,9,
23 177:2
178:17
181:18
Knapp
45:13
46:5
101:15,21
163:21
165:16,20
166:2
169:19
knew
30:13
42:11
92:13
145:16
176:21
178:4
knots
7:18
know's
139:14
knowing
10:3
knowledge
32:18
80:3
123:11
knowledgeab
le
21:12
kosher
26:7
L
labeled
121:19
labored
136:16,22
138:5
lack
103:16
104:19
132:15
Lake
15:13
Lakes
69:21
70:11
72:5
language
150:12
larger
24:22
late
90:6
latest
174:15
Laura
122:19
law
14:6 29:2
32:3 54:2
92:4,9
95:6,8,
20,21
96:23
98:14
100:3
108:17,21
111:5,18,
21 117:6,
12 119:16
laws
161:15,22
lawsuit
29:4,7
43:20
44:12
47:9,15,
20 48:4,
8,14,22
49:10,17
50:5
51:1,2,4,
9 52:8
56:23
57:4,13,
23 59:2,3
65:14
66:12
68:9,17
76:14,17,
23 77:7,
14
110:11,20
111:2,14
112:8,13,
19 113:9,
13 115:11
116:10
181:16
lawyer
119:21
lawyers
54:7
73:10,17
74:4 95:4
98:2,11,
17 105:3
109:1
123:9
layers
15:15,18
24:19
25:8,10
lead
88:9,15,
21 90:20
91:3,15,
17
leadership
11:20
leading
78:20
leave
104:14
left
8:20 9:2
37:19
38:15
39:12,21
42:13
58:22
legal
13:23
14:4
29:11,18
34:15
36:5
37:3,11
38:16
39:10,16
40:22
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: KLINE..legal
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
41:14
42:10
46:2,8,17
47:21
48:6,19
49:9,11
50:4,6,21
51:3,5,
11,18
52:10,18
53:10,11
54:9,18
55:6,10
56:15
62:1
63:4,6,8,
15,18,20,
23 64:1,
2,10,13,
21,23
65:8,17
67:14
68:5
71:21
105:2
110:17
113:22,23
116:23
117:10
118:9,13
119:3,9,
10,22
121:9
123:23
140:4
152:4
155:19
156:10,11
158:12,13
159:4
legally
83:19
124:7
legislation
48:13
109:23
111:3
112:7
155:23
160:8
legitimatel
y
145:21
LEHMANN
120:11
142:4
148:14,
18,22
149:6,11,
16 172:9,
15 181:17
length
95:7
letter
32:1
56:21
58:5
92:10
96:21
103:10
104:2
105:7,16
106:1
136:2
144:11,
13,15
145:1,4,
15 176:2,
5 179:20,
23 180:5,
17 181:2,
8
letters
28:23
133:6
letting
58:10
59:4
123:20
level
165:5
levels
175:3
liar
149:21
licensed
13:17
licenses
13:13
licensing
13:11
limited
148:3
limiting
81:14
lines
20:23
25:15
61:15
77:2
94:14
144:3
157:21
164:6
list
95:6
135:21
literally
63:8,22
164:13,17
litigated
53:19
110:3
litigating
77:13
155:21
litigation
109:15,23
110:5
111:1
112:18
116:15
live
14:22
lives
102:4
log
83:3
logs
83:7
Lombardi
122:19
long
10:3,15
11:10
34:23
145:9
179:18
longer
33:21,22
36:18
37:9
46:15
looked
32:6
40:13
75:15,18
127:23
128:3
175:12
lot
24:13
26:3 67:3
84:9,18
100:21
144:6
162:21
167:20
169:22
lots
103:5
lump
147:18
150:2
151:19
lunch
116:6
Lynnette
122:8
M
Macomber
122:8
made
23:3
27:14
38:10
40:5 43:8
44:6
46:1,19
58:8,16
61:17
72:19
73:21
74:20
85:14
88:19
98:8
100:2
106:21
107:21,23
108:6
109:5
112:12
126:8,18
127:6,10
128:21
129:14
148:23
152:9,11,
18,23
160:6,9
167:18
170:17
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: legally..made
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
178:10,14
179:6
Maher
122:15
124:22
179:17,23
mailed
12:12
127:16
maintenance
21:19
22:12
majority
143:11
make
24:14,18
26:23
42:9
45:13
49:4
50:11
61:23
70:12,22
75:16
86:23
88:17
89:20
93:8
112:13
116:16
120:1,18
124:10,13
127:2
157:6
162:2
makes
59:12
making
26:21
49:8
50:20
75:17
89:6
116:22
161:8
management
11:20
19:11
manager
10:23
11:8
17:3,5,6,
17,21
18:3,7,
12,15,17,
21 19:15,
23 20:8,
9,10,14
21:7 22:8
23:14,17
24:7
25:8,23
26:14,16
27:8,11,
14,15,17
32:17
35:14,21
37:7,23
46:6,23
50:2 53:4
58:19
67:23
71:9 81:9
82:16
86:23
88:22
92:3
101:1
116:19
118:1,6,
10,15,16,
23 119:7,
11,19,23
126:13
148:7
150:8,9
158:5,10
159:2
161:4,18,
21 166:3,
18 176:4
manager's
23:13
25:1,4
36:3
160:12
managers
161:22
manner
8:14 18:6
March
45:10
61:12
63:5
90:6,7,8,
9,12,16
141:13
171:17
mark
60:2
121:22
marked
60:7 61:9
68:20
69:1 75:7
113:3
122:1,4
130:19
146:22
153:18,20
155:6
165:6
172:13
174:11
markings
113:2
master's
11:19,21
match
174:19
materials
21:9
24:1,9,21
25:4
Matt
87:4
156:9,14,
21
matter
30:5,7
37:2
39:22
42:10
48:9,10,
11 51:22
63:8,16,
18 64:10
65:17
68:5 70:1
75:3
91:21
92:10,12
103:20
105:11
109:12,
14,18
112:15
113:16
114:22
115:20
130:14
134:22
151:16
155:21
177:7
matters
33:17
34:15
36:5
37:3,11,
20 38:16,
17 39:10,
16 40:22
41:14
46:3,8,17
47:21
48:6,19
49:9,11
50:4,7,21
51:3,5,19
52:10
55:14
56:16
62:1
63:4,6,21
64:13,23
65:8,11,
12 69:15
98:15,20
99:8
105:5,11,
12,22
116:23
117:10
119:15
132:4
Matuszko
122:23
meaning
15:4
32:15
38:7 47:1
88:20
156:21
meant
102:19
107:5
meet
146:18
meeting
22:23
34:5
36:11
43:6
45:11,12
46:4,12
60:7
61:12
62:5,11,
18,22
68:3,20
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: Maher..meeting
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
69:3 75:4
79:5,11,
15,20,23
84:8,12
85:18,22,
23 86:2,
3,10
87:12
89:16,22
90:3,5,9,
11 92:15,
21,22
93:1,4,
11,12,21,
23 95:14,
17 96:14
97:3
102:23
104:22
106:20
111:10
119:14,
18,20
120:2,5,
6,14
135:23
140:20
141:12
145:19
146:6,12
156:12,22
157:9
158:19
159:3,7,9
169:3,8
171:20
174:4
177:9,19
181:4
meetings
20:11,12,
13 23:5
38:9
45:22
55:8
62:9,17
79:2 81:3
86:17
100:12
102:21
106:12
130:13
156:11,17
169:4,7
meetings[
sic
79:1
meets
90:10
member
51:11
74:11
89:13,20
102:11
106:17
165:22
166:3
members
30:13
39:3
43:8,18,
22 44:3,
13 45:1,
23 46:21
47:1
50:19
55:5
56:2,5
73:8,14
75:1,5
78:22
79:7,14
80:13
81:2
86:14,18,
19,20
88:17
89:5
91:20
96:22
97:23
98:10
100:22
101:22
128:13
156:2,7
163:18
164:19
members'
38:14
memorialize
65:20
memorialize
d
81:7
memory
153:13
154:22
157:10
mentioned
180:5
message
123:2
160:21
174:7
175:15
176:10
177:5
messages
172:13
173:8,21
174:3,10,
23 175:10
180:4
met
131:10
micromanage
159:1
mid-
february
87:9,16
middle
57:7,16
128:20
129:1
169:2,3
Mike
101:18
173:8
174:3
175:7,8
mind
7:22 75:6
144:10
minds
35:8
mine
65:3
minor
72:12
minute
104:23
minutes
38:8,21,
23 40:9,
12,16,17,
23 41:9
42:5 43:5
55:8 60:7
61:12
62:5,11,
19,21
68:20
69:3
78:20
86:8,12
95:1,13
96:15
97:16
102:21
106:19,20
107:11,20
108:13
159:5
misbehaving
161:2
misremember
ing
12:11
misundersta
nding
73:5
misundersto
od
73:3,6
Mitchell
118:20
131:5
136:14
moment
7:10 98:1
125:12
money
65:16
67:4,5,6,
12,17,19
68:1
110:19
146:7
month
128:6
morning
166:4
motion
38:10
40:5
41:21
44:6
45:13,20,
21 46:1,
19 61:17,
21 98:5,7
116:13
120:1,19
130:16
171:16
178:10,
14,22
179:6
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: meetings..motion
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
181:15
motions
81:15
121:20
Mountain
15:12
69:21
70:11
72:5
move
82:1
98:10
multiple
154:5
municipal
16:17
24:4
118:20
137:3,4
140:1,4,
14 147:13
municipalit
ies
136:20
161:23
N
named
101:20
names
15:11
16:3
Naomi
118:21
131:5
132:3
narratives
131:10
narrow
35:9
necessarily
84:8
95:22
109:3
142:2
needed
20:22
21:9
22:5,6,13
28:2,3
35:17
64:10
67:6
85:7,13
91:22
94:5
138:21
152:4
177:19
180:17,18
181:9
needing
155:2
negative
107:6,7
120:12
negotiated
57:15
112:21
negotiation
s
66:10,19,
20 112:10
newest
174:15
newly
44:19
90:10
news
108:14
newspaper
107:21
newspapers
108:1
NHMA
137:2
nicely
145:1
176:1,4
night
97:20
nodding
8:11
non-
departed
148:19
nonmeeting
177:7,15,
17,22
178:3
nonmoving
148:18
149:13
nonpublic
38:12,21
39:1
40:18
41:1,9
60:7
61:12
62:6,13,
18,20,22
95:17
99:10,20
100:12
120:4,9,
16,17
normal
7:20
North
15:12
16:23
17:1
Norwich
11:18
notation
154:4
note
181:13
notes
43:5 81:6
notice
145:12,19
notificatio
ns
166:21
notified
94:4
notorious
168:11
number
12:16
62:8 78:1
96:16
167:5
numerous
170:19
O
O'SHANA
80:16
oath
61:7
116:7
171:14
object
60:14
objection
13:19
14:2,8,14
16:19
17:9
18:10
19:1,9,17
21:14
23:20
24:11
25:6
26:18
27:9,22
28:7,19
29:14,23
30:8,17
31:3,10
32:9,22
33:23
34:9
35:19
36:16
37:13
38:2,19
39:4,14,
23 40:10
41:4,17
42:18
43:14
44:4,17
45:8
47:16,22
48:23
49:15
50:8,14
52:12,22
53:14
54:4,13,
20 55:15,
22 56:18
57:5
58:2,23
59:20
67:9,21
68:10
73:11
78:5,18
79:18
80:6
81:11
96:5
99:4,22
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: motions..objection
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
109:16
110:12,22
111:19
113:5,11
117:15
120:8
130:5
132:1
134:18
141:20
147:20
158:8
160:15
161:6
163:10,15
165:1
170:5
171:23
172:9,16
177:2
178:17
objections
6:17
60:11
obtain
11:21
63:23
occur
20:6
86:16
125:7
occurred
35:13
36:11
37:4,8
44:11
79:10
81:2
128:7
141:13
178:3
occurring
177:15
odd
103:23
offensive
108:7
offer
16:10
20:9
offers
16:21
office
55:1 79:6
82:14
84:10
100:23
103:8,13,
20
104:10,
13,14,15
115:5
122:20
125:13
127:15,
16,20
128:2
156:23
157:8
158:15
164:14
171:18,21
officer
12:20
13:12
Officer's
12:23
offices
125:1
official
34:4
103:19
officially
34:4
omissions
139:1
on-boarding
90:11
one-page
147:1
one-time
56:7
ongoing
77:15
open
139:16
operated
71:14
operating
89:17
90:1,14
operation
48:18
operations
18:19
109:22
110:15
opinion
53:1,3
72:9
100:18
144:5,7
155:19
156:10,11
159:4,8
opportunity
26:9
100:6
opposition
81:16
oppositiona
l
101:7
129:15
order
81:14
128:4,5
148:3
ordered
24:14
organizatio
ns
137:1
original
48:14
75:11
originally
26:20
46:1
72:18
other's
70:3
out-of-
district
16:23
outcome
42:6
181:15
overlapped
115:18
oversees
17:7
overwhelmed
164:18
overwhelmin
g
164:14
owed
57:11
P
p.m.
75:23
122:15
174:5
181:20
packet
171:2
174:15
pages
172:21
173:6
174:1,14,
16,17,18
175:11
paid
25:12
29:21
121:15
paragraph
69:6,11
76:12
116:14
131:3,7
161:13
171:15
paragraphs
76:10
parameters
50:6
part
18:8
23:19
66:20
67:13
76:21
78:7
151:20
153:1
155:3
parties
65:19
67:8
70:21
71:13
partner
108:23
party
59:10
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: objections..party
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
149:13
passed
141:15
past
28:6
69:22
70:10,12
71:21
99:3
152:16
Pause
60:23
75:9
173:1
pay
19:5
49:22
67:19
121:8,11,
14 129:23
130:3,4,9
131:8,15
paying
24:16
25:9
payment
26:12
57:12
58:8,16
59:12,14
67:6,12
112:11,14
129:20
payments
24:20
26:21
65:15
112:17
116:16
peers
161:21
pending
181:14
people
19:11
21:22
83:23
101:20
114:9
133:8
138:8,14
161:14
percent
53:16
perform
55:6
133:10
136:11
performance
117:7
119:15
performed
24:3 25:3
52:18
113:22
124:2,18
135:6
performing
34:13
periodic
20:2
permission
159:17
person
14:21
45:19
53:3
personal
51:11
173:18
personally
36:2 51:6
personnel
55:13
105:11,
12,22
129:9
131:22
perspective
51:8,9,
18,23
103:22
132:18,23
133:16
135:12
138:19
161:8
164:23
167:21
168:20
180:11
Peter
92:19,22
93:14
114:9
122:13
123:8,14,
17,19
135:15
136:1
137:9
139:6,7,
13 144:5
145:2
162:10,21
petition
28:14
47:13
48:21
49:13
82:21
87:8
150:12
petitioned
148:4
petitions
82:11,12
83:18
140:19
142:11
151:1
phase
25:5 83:8
phone
93:15
125:19
143:12,
14,18,20,
22 164:7
167:5,7
173:17,
18,19
photocopies
172:21
photograph
165:9,10
phrase
9:17 24:7
28:6 48:5
63:2,6,20
64:13
114:3
176:1
pick
116:8
143:14
picked
146:17,19
picking
24:2
Pike
16:1
place
38:11
92:21
157:7
play
168:18
played
33:4 67:2
156:19
playing
162:2
pled
76:16
point
8:19
10:3,4,8
44:8 46:7
56:1
58:20
70:20
76:7
78:21
88:1
98:4,13,
19 99:15
101:12
116:12
126:9
127:18
130:1
145:5,8
176:14,20
179:10
180:16
pointed
89:18
91:5
pointedly
125:23
pointing
114:23
160:13,20
police
16:4
policies
27:1
political
28:4
poor
9:11
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: passed..poor
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
poorly
9:13
portal
82:18
83:4
150:18,23
152:4
portion
131:4
posed
10:7
position
10:16
11:6,10
15:3
17:19
31:8 36:3
52:1
73:16
74:3
90:19
97:22
113:15
124:4,5
126:12
128:16
129:7,11
135:6
136:7
146:3
148:6
149:6
160:12
possession
100:4
126:20
possibility
176:18
post
68:8,15
pot
110:19
potentially
179:9
power
32:20
33:21
34:8
36:13,22
37:2,9,19
38:15
39:13,21
40:7,19
41:2
43:23
45:5
46:15
47:4
50:23
61:23
119:2,8
practice
13:17
pre-
approval
27:19
163:8
pre-reveal
78:9
precariousn
ess
160:9
precedent
161:10
Precinct
62:2 63:4
64:3 65:2
preparing
169:5
prepping
169:3
prereview
82:15
150:4,5,
19,21
151:2,5,
10,21
153:2
155:3
163:9
prescribes
18:6
present
23:2 48:4
51:2 52:8
69:7,9
80:16
89:22
125:9
presentatio
n
60:14
presented
26:11
42:3
preserved
6:17
60:11
presume
7:8 9:9,
22 153:12
presuming
118:7
pretty
41:22
87:20
101:18
123:17
previous
12:2
45:23
95:1
101:6
115:10
previously
49:6
50:17
170:2
Primarily
28:12
printed
8:20
printout
165:9,15
printouts
174:16
prior
10:21
11:2
17:23
66:11
69:23
70:1
77:22
87:11
138:23
141:17
142:12
143:2,19
156:8,13
169:20
problem
56:9,12
77:15
91:6
94:16
114:2
problematic
71:17
procedural
92:15,20
93:20,23
145:18
146:6,7
procedure
177:10
procedures
27:2
89:17
90:1,14
process
21:2,3,7
22:17
23:4
24:22
27:16
31:23
32:6,21
33:10,12
78:7,11
81:9 82:7
91:8,22
95:3 96:1
151:5,10,
21 153:2
155:3
163:9
produce
71:3
93:10
95:5
produced
62:16
96:21
104:6
105:16
127:12
producing
106:5
product
168:5
products
23:11
24:1
prohibited
33:8,9,14
project
11:9
22:15
projects
22:21
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: poorly..projects
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
23:2,5
proper
26:6
161:10,11
properly
94:3
181:5
property
20:18
63:11
64:17
74:13
proponents
111:23
proscriptio
n
103:17
104:11
protect
137:12,
14,15
138:15
protecting
136:17
prove
149:16
provide
8:9 10:7
11:14
16:12
20:7 30:2
54:17
57:10
85:11
89:7
119:2,9,
21 135:7,
9,11
provided
18:2
23:11
25:3
28:16
29:11,18
51:12
54:10,18
55:11
84:11
85:2
112:2
121:9
135:5
145:11
173:16
providing
14:12
86:1
163:1
173:13,20
public
20:12,13
36:11
46:12
62:17
74:18
79:2,5,
11,14,23
81:3
83:13
86:16,17
94:3
95:14
104:22
120:6,14,
18 134:21
156:22
158:19
159:7
publicly
89:21
119:13
120:2,5
177:9,19
181:4
pull
107:11
108:1
purchase
170:14
purported
51:12
purports
48:9
purpose
35:5 46:2
119:14
purposes
16:12
pursuing
53:21
purview
18:21
pushy
180:21
put
22:5,18
33:10
51:4
78:15
99:20
100:11
111:4,9,
17 128:3,
4,19,20
135:8
141:11
149:17
150:18
puts
166:19
167:4
Q
question
7:16,20
8:1,2,10,
17 9:7,
13,15,21,
23 10:6
14:17
20:19
22:1 26:9
50:12,16
52:6 55:9
60:14,22
82:19
83:12,13,
21 108:20
116:9
120:11
125:18
168:15,17
169:12
176:23
questioning
42:22
43:10
questions
7:14 9:11
14:13
28:13
83:16,17
132:15
133:6
151:7
162:11
166:9
181:13
quick
60:4
quorum
89:22
104:22
quote
52:9
quote/
unquote
25:10
32:16
97:11
158:2
quoted
103:1
106:13
R
radar
81:22
ran
172:3
rapid-fire
169:5
rarely
166:19
167:4
rate
31:1,6,23
32:3
36:15
48:8,11
56:13
73:10,18
74:14
75:3
76:11,18
77:3,5,11
89:4
90:21
91:4,15,
21 92:1,
6,9,12,
14,18
93:22
94:6,8,11
96:4
98:16
105:11
109:12,
13,18
112:6
114:1,6,
15,19,21,
22 121:2
123:5,6,
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: proper..rate
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
13,21
124:18
125:3
129:8
131:22
134:4,10,
22 136:4
145:3,10,
12,20
146:4
162:5
175:4,16
176:6
177:7
178:13
rates
19:5
175:17
ratify
177:8
rating
99:2
reach
22:3
97:3,11,
21 140:4
167:16
reached
85:5
132:5
137:9
140:17
156:1
reaching
142:9
read
29:5
60:22
74:18
83:9
107:19
156:11
159:7,23
166:10
167:10
reading
9:2 129:2
reads
9:4
ready
60:22
128:23
169:7,8
real
64:17
72:14
realize
99:18
realm
52:16
reared
58:1
reason
28:4
45:18
81:18
101:2,3
142:8
146:10
reasons
68:18
101:3
recall
13:8
36:23
37:3 57:2
58:4 63:5
65:18,21,
23 66:2,
6,14,16
67:2
74:5,11
75:4 86:1
89:3,5
107:12,17
108:11
116:12
125:7
126:10
128:6
130:7
131:17
132:6
139:23
140:22
142:20,23
145:14
152:17,23
153:5,7,8
155:15
156:16
157:4
158:19
159:3
162:4,8,
17,19,20,
21 163:3,
4,13,18
166:14
173:13,
20,23
175:13
receive
11:21
127:21
133:20
received
12:19
25:1 94:2
100:15
104:6
123:14
125:20
128:22
133:21
146:10
166:5
167:12
174:23
receives
93:9
150:11
recent
11:6
recess
60:5
80:15
116:3
171:10
recognize
61:11
recollectio
n
94:21
97:9,13,
15 129:6
157:10
159:6
recommend
177:8
record
6:8,11
10:9 55:8
60:3,9,21
61:7
75:16,17
79:13
80:17
93:4
104:23
116:4,7
120:20
135:23
142:4,7
154:2
157:9
171:9,11,
14
recorded
7:12
38:23
78:16
106:13
records
37:6
84:20
156:18
162:9
recruitment
21:2
reelected
171:22
reelection
172:3
refer
28:22
99:16
102:18
129:10
178:22
referred
19:7 30:5
64:3
113:1
referring
56:11
99:3
123:4
143:20
144:9
reflected
38:8
40:8,15,
17,23
95:12
96:14
97:15
133:10,18
135:22
136:2
refuse
131:8,15
refusing
76:18
134:4
regard
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: rates..regard
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
25:9 65:2
91:21
106:22
118:19
registered
82:12
154:5
regular
13:10
20:2
regularly
136:1,2
140:5
reiterate
80:18
179:3
reiterated
46:11
reiterating
160:6
relate
52:9,20
56:14
110:9
163:14
related
15:2
33:17
34:15,16
39:16
46:3,8,17
47:8
51:19
55:13,17
56:7 62:1
63:4,7
70:2
91:13
94:6
100:4
105:12
113:19
114:19
115:1,19
117:10
123:11
130:13
151:22
152:1,2
155:20,22
160:8,9
relates
47:21
48:19
49:10
51:2
81:22
91:14
relating
36:5
37:3,12
38:17
39:10
40:22
41:14
42:10
47:21
48:6,20
49:9,11
50:4,7,22
51:3
52:10
56:16
64:9 65:8
68:5,9
104:9
108:12
116:23
relation
64:13
89:23
94:23
161:21
relations
99:7
relationshi
ps
136:14,23
137:4
138:7,22,
23
relative
167:7
relevant
81:15
rely
23:18
24:10,13
remained
118:12
remember
8:23 9:1
37:5
45:16
76:9
84:17
95:19
107:14
108:3,4,5
113:6
146:15
147:13
151:13,18
156:15
162:4,23
163:12,
17,21,23
173:12,22
174:6,7
remind
8:23
remove
45:13
rep
139:18
147:10
rephrase
14:16
23:22
replaced
22:6,13
replacement
11:8
replicate
154:8
replied
175:17
replies
180:7
reply
89:7
166:17
170:20
report
19:21,23
20:10
reporter
6:3 14:18
reports
84:17
represent
70:14
96:3
109:11
113:18
132:3
representat
ion
71:21,22
72:7
105:2
123:23
124:1
165:14
representat
ions
69:23
70:2,3
72:6
representat
ive
95:1
103:11
represented
30:11
53:23
69:21
70:10,11,
21 71:13
72:4,5
102:21
representin
g
69:20
72:21
107:15
reputation
138:19
139:3
140:2,12
reputationa
l
143:21
request
29:12,19
85:12,14
93:8
100:2
126:23
127:6,11,
12 132:10
158:6
159:10
164:5
169:12
requested
128:23
155:19
162:8
requesting
86:22
164:20
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: registered..requesting
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
requests
164:14
168:12
169:20
170:16
173:14
required
58:20
89:8
requirement
104:8
requiring
116:16
requisition
121:14
resident
14:21
54:23
170:22
residents
16:13
168:12
170:4
resolution
67:7
resolve
67:14
134:3,8
135:2
175:4
resolved
92:7
112:19
134:11,12
135:1
resource
18:22
22:5
resources
21:20
respect
8:13
16:18
18:1,3
25:2
28:21
29:4,5
31:7 32:5
35:23
37:11
38:16
40:22
42:10
46:17
49:8
50:1,2,
19,21
51:1,21
52:17
53:10
56:9,12
59:9
60:15
61:20
63:2 65:8
68:16
72:16
73:7,10,
14,16
78:10
82:3
84:5,6,22
85:20
87:14
88:15,20
89:4
90:20
91:3,8
92:1,6,17
96:3 97:8
100:10
104:19
105:20
106:11
108:16
116:19,22
119:6,11
121:2
129:7,19
134:3
136:6
137:23
140:13
143:3,18
152:17
154:13
160:12
166:22
172:6
176:14
177:22
respond
164:19
166:17
168:14
181:7
responded
140:10
180:9
responding
101:19
180:10
response
8:9 89:7,
9,11
90:18,22
144:4,9
164:4
167:13
responses
8:13
162:7
173:14
responsibil
ities
17:18,21
18:18
19:12
27:8
160:4
responsibil
ity
20:21
21:1
26:23
34:3,12
39:11,20
40:6
41:13
42:9
46:23
49:7
50:21
61:23
64:20
65:1,7
88:8
116:21
117:4
158:10,17
responsible
18:7
23:12
25:16
35:21
restate
9:16
result
77:16
111:16
138:17
retain
74:3,13
75:2
98:11
117:5
119:2,9,
14 126:2
177:7,14,
22
retained
65:9
109:10
125:5
134:1,7
178:16
179:13,19
180:1
retainer
118:22
retaining
73:9,17
125:2
129:8,11
177:18
retention
14:6
37:21
revenue
56:10
157:19
reverse
11:16
review
19:19
25:20
27:16,19
33:10,12
35:16
37:9,20,
21 40:20
41:13
44:1,15
45:6
46:15
47:4
55:18
56:2
75:13
78:7
81:10
82:7,17
89:23
90:14
100:14,17
117:6,12
128:21,23
155:2
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: requests..review
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
165:18
reviewed
19:15
25:12
29:5,8
134:14
reviewing
24:8
reviews
37:22
revised
105:18,21
106:8
revisions
106:3,4
RFPR
20:22
rise
43:20
44:12
165:4
Robbin
101:21
Robbins
54:22
73:21
75:23
76:4
88:2,13
101:15
102:3
171:17
175:14
180:7
robin
168:19
roderick
80:16
role
11:10
18:3,15
19:22
21:7,22
23:13
25:2,4
33:20
34:8
35:15
37:18
39:9,20
40:2,6
42:9 49:7
50:1
66:18
106:17
116:19,21
117:11
119:12
160:4,11
161:4
176:4
roles
17:18,20
21:5
roof
22:5,13,
18 175:3
room
8:19 9:9
128:20
129:1
Roth
92:19,22
93:14
114:9
122:13
123:8,14,
17 135:15
136:1
137:9
139:6,13
144:5
145:2
Roth's
162:11
roughly
166:16
round
168:19
RSA
18:5,6
38:4
137:11
rule
149:12
rules
7:8
148:15
run
28:6
running
91:7
S
SB
176:10,21
177:6
scales
19:5
scathing
144:5
scenario
119:19
scene
14:18
scenes
53:17
school
69:21
70:3,7,9,
10,18
72:4,15,
18,23
73:2
92:14
94:1,10
146:9,10,
12
scope
63:13
105:2,4
106:6
147:22
148:5
160:11
161:18
164:15
170:7
screenshots
173:21
seat
88:22
172:2
second-to-
last
69:11
131:3,6
157:23
161:12
175:20
seek
20:22
seeking
21:21
29:20
100:15
select
17:6,7,11
18:13
20:11
22:19
23:2 26:1
28:2,5
30:13
33:1
45:12,15
46:4
49:2,3
51:11
68:1,11
69:2
78:13,16
88:7
89:19
90:4
103:12
126:1
138:6
156:10
176:10,
17,21
selection
21:3
22:17
selectmen
19:14
20:4,7
26:15
27:4,14,
20 29:13,
20 31:5
32:20
33:15,19,
21 34:7
36:3,13
37:1,9,19
38:6
39:9,12,
21 40:4,
18 41:12
42:3,8
43:19
44:13,14
45:2
46:14,19
47:2,18
49:6,12
50:3,22
52:1
55:12
61:21
62:9,15,
16,23
64:19
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: reviewed..selectmen
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
66:7
73:8,9,
15,16
74:12,22
75:2 76:6
79:3 81:2
86:8,9,
13,22
88:14
89:14,18
90:20
91:3,15
97:8,23
99:10
100:10
102:11
106:17
107:1
109:10
114:18
115:6
116:20
117:10
118:8,13
119:2,6,
8,18,21
120:3,13,
22
126:11,18
127:10,14
128:13
129:8
130:1,11
134:14,20
158:21
163:19
164:20
165:23
176:21
177:14,21
selectmen's
38:8
179:12
Self-
contained
16:14
Senator
155:23
send
71:3 78:8
82:16
86:9
133:7
145:7
147:18
150:1,18,
20 151:20
152:12
153:9
155:2,17
158:21,23
159:18
160:21
168:16,18
sending
145:6
151:1
153:1
154:22
155:15
156:8,13
157:12
159:13
162:7,20
163:13
sends
165:20
166:3
sense
24:5
156:4
sentence
61:18,20
131:6,12
132:12,17
158:1
167:3
sentiment
137:16
sentiments
78:12,15
separate
51:22
62:18
76:17
121:5
serve
51:21
served
18:15
99:8
service
16:12,16,
17,21
25:13
services
16:17
17:1 25:3
28:15,21
29:11,18
51:12
52:18
53:10
54:9,18
55:6,11
113:23
121:9
133:10,18
135:5
serving
106:23
107:22
session
38:12
39:1
40:18
41:1,10
62:6,13,
22 95:17
120:4,6,
16,18
sessions
62:18
99:10,21
set
6:20
27:19
31:6 32:4
33:4 61:2
76:12,18
77:3,11
92:22
93:22
94:10
95:12
123:5
134:4
145:2,10,
12,16
161:9,10
173:3
174:13
175:11,16
176:6
sets
62:17,19
setting
18:19
19:4 30:5
31:2,23
35:23
36:15
48:8,11
56:13,19
57:3 58:1
73:10,18
74:14
75:3 77:5
88:15
89:4
90:21
91:4,15,
21 92:1,
6,10,12,
18 94:6
96:4
98:16
99:2
105:11
109:12,
13,18
112:6
114:1,6,
15,22
121:2,10
123:6,21
124:3,19
125:3
129:9
131:22
134:8,10,
16,22,23
136:4,10
145:19
146:4
162:5
177:23
178:13
settle
66:22
settled
65:17
112:9,20
113:3
116:16
settlement
57:7,12,
16,17,18
58:8,21
59:3,5,
10,23
65:20,22
66:1,4,8,
10,12,19,
20 76:23
110:4
112:10,
21,23
settling
67:16
sewer
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: selectmen's..sewer
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
16:9,18,
21,22,23
shaded
61:16
shaking
8:11
shared
34:11,12
sheet
131:1
154:6
shorthand
6:10 7:12
shoulder
168:5
show
107:2
149:7
showed
171:2
shown
149:1
shows
107:1
sign
27:18
40:20
48:20
49:13
71:9
72:19
73:1
102:15
105:1
117:1
signature
154:6
signatures
82:11
signed
47:13
49:12
54:23
65:19
66:3,4,5,
7,13
71:6,18
72:22
103:10
104:1,4,
10,13
105:8
111:5,17
significanc
e
72:11
significant
56:3
158:18
significant
ly
74:19
signing
18:19
72:20
103:7,18
117:5
118:10
similar
88:19
157:19
simple
95:5
simply
95:23
single
21:13
44:8 46:7
51:10
138:22
situation
24:23
33:1,3,7
70:17
87:14
112:16
situations
102:18
slang
22:4
slightly
61:16
software
11:8
solely
34:5
67:19
SOPS
89:19
sort
7:7 8:22
14:17,19
19:6
20:18
21:6 35:9
40:21
42:14,15,
22 44:21
71:20
83:21
88:22
110:19
115:16
134:7
143:21
152:11
sorts
8:12
13:23
21:20
35:16
44:16
117:3
170:1
SOUCY
6:7,14,
16,18,20,
22 60:1,
9,12,16
80:17,20,
21 81:17
82:2
116:1,4,5
141:21
148:1,6,
10,12,17,
21 149:1,
10,15,22,
23 154:2,
12 170:9
171:8,11,
12
172:12,19
181:12
sound
116:17
163:9
167:18
speak
26:16
56:15
59:18
88:23
129:13
156:21
speaking
38:4,5
102:22
156:15
158:6
speaks
41:22
160:1
special
15:14,20
16:12
35:5
special-
purpose
15:10,21
16:10,11
17:14
121:6
specific
85:6
149:9
154:21
157:10
specificall
y
18:5 28:4
30:10
32:14
34:14
40:1 44:6
55:12
66:16
75:5 77:6
82:16
91:6 97:4
128:19
130:7
139:5
151:11
157:13
159:19
167:16
168:23
176:16
speculate
73:19
98:3
spell
6:11 7:1
spend
67:23
68:2
spending
67:3,4
split
173:10
spoke
156:7,14
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: shaded..spoke
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
158:20
spoken
74:16
156:16
staff
109:3
stage
83:9
161:9
stand
129:19
standard
89:17
90:1,14
standing
74:6
start
20:20
88:6
138:8,9
175:21
started
32:7 57:1
76:20,23
110:4
136:17,22
139:15
140:5
180:2
starting
138:4
starts
61:17
state
6:10,23
12:23
13:18
30:20
94:10
119:5
148:19
161:15
175:2
stated
7:11 9:3,
8 39:2
40:3
42:21
46:22
49:10
50:17
73:2,23
74:23
81:20
86:7
94:17
96:2 98:6
125:5,20
136:6
140:16
150:7
157:23
159:16
171:17
174:14
statement
41:9
73:21
74:6,18,
20 81:21
88:13,18,
19 89:6,8
105:21
107:10
161:8
162:1
167:3
171:19
statements
38:13
106:21
107:13,
19,21
108:4,5
126:7
160:8
states
62:4
76:11
83:11
stating
74:12
status
56:22
57:2,4
statutes
18:1
staunchly
43:16
stay
104:17
stenographe
r
7:13 8:3
stenographe
r's
7:17
step
42:14
46:21
70:15
152:10
stepped
45:16
stern
45:5
Steve
54:22
73:21
75:23
76:4 77:4
88:2,7,13
89:1 95:2
101:15,21
102:3
171:17
175:14
179:4
180:7,12,
20
sticker
96:16
121:23
153:21
sticks
75:6
stips
6:16
stipulate
60:10
Stipulation
s
6:15
stood
46:4
stopping
10:8
strange
97:4
stress
175:2
string
75:10
122:11
studies
11:18
stuff
133:14
subject
63:13
70:1
105:5,23
155:1
submission
79:23
87:8,10
submit
151:9
submits
81:10
submitted
79:17,20,
22 80:2,
5,11,23
82:6,8
87:1
111:8,22
112:1
129:20
submitting
151:4
substance
88:20
149:4
154:10
substantive
126:7
subtracted
106:9
sudden
137:10
suggested
135:17
suggesting
179:15
suit
52:2
sum
157:14
summary
11:15
20:19
30:2
35:18
38:13
81:15
116:13
121:20
130:16
147:23
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: spoken..summary
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
148:3,15,
16,19
149:12,20
170:7
171:16
172:10,17
181:15
summer
12:9
128:9,11
Sunday
103:12
Sundays
103:18
superbly
9:14
supervision
18:12
supplied
21:9
supplier
26:13
suppliers
27:12
supplies
20:16
24:1
supply
135:11
supplying
23:23
support
94:12
supported
129:3
suppose
149:18
supposed
25:14
56:7
surfaced
110:6
surprised
171:4
surprising
81:17
surrounding
136:20,23
suspend
181:14
suspended
181:19
switching
115:22
sworn
6:3
system
16:23
25:18
150:13
systematica
lly
168:14
T
table
60:18
tail
110:4
taking
13:8 21:8
49:8
88:15,21
168:11
180:6
talk
7:18 79:7
138:14
140:8
161:22
talked
106:13
145:2
156:1
159:4
179:15
talking
33:2
106:19
112:12
123:6
136:1
142:15,16
155:18
175:21
176:13
tangible
165:12
tax
30:5
31:5,22
32:3
35:23
48:8,11
56:13,19
57:3 58:1
63:11
65:15
76:11,18
77:3,5,11
88:15
91:21
92:9,12,
14 93:22
94:6,8,
10,11
96:4
98:16
99:1,2
105:10
109:12,
13,18
110:16
114:6,15,
19,21,22
121:2,10
123:5,13,
21 124:3,
18 125:3
134:4,8,
10,16,22,
23 136:4,
9 145:3,
10,12,20
146:4
152:1
162:5
175:4,16,
17 176:6
177:7,22
178:13
taxes
63:15,19
64:17
technically
112:15
technology
165:11
telephone
93:16,18
telling
134:20
139:7
tend
8:12
tenure
20:9
term
64:6
terminate
95:6,21,
23 118:14
119:4,23
terminating
117:7,13
118:9,10
126:12
128:16
testified
6:4 65:5
176:2
testimony
14:11,20,
22 15:2
text
74:17
150:11
152:13
172:13
173:8,21
174:2,7,
10,23
175:6,10
178:20
180:3
texting
175:13
texts
178:23
thereto
81:16
thing
8:6 10:5
20:18
21:13,17
22:9
32:11
44:22
77:13
83:21
95:10
135:21
139:14
161:11
179:5
things
8:12 14:1
18:21
19:6,8
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: summer..things
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
20:1
21:21
22:6,7
28:1,4
35:17
40:21
44:16
52:19,20
53:7,9,
10,13
54:11
59:16
63:10,12,
14 69:22
91:5 95:9
101:19
105:5
106:9
113:15
114:20
117:3
127:20
135:17,21
136:21
143:9
144:14
149:17
157:3
158:18
170:16,18
thinking
9:14
23:23
43:11
thirds
61:14
thorny
53:2
thought
73:20
84:20
95:5 97:4
thoughts
88:6
throw
64:6
Thursday
146:15,18
tied
7:17
48:16,19
81:20
101:4
109:20,22
110:7
time
9:12
10:3,4
11:16
12:11
13:5
35:1,9
36:21
38:6
43:11
45:15,23
55:19
56:3
62:14
64:23
76:5 85:8
90:2 96:1
98:1,13
99:6
103:13
107:1
110:3
115:23
116:12
125:13
126:1
129:5
130:2
143:9,10
145:11,
13,14,23
147:11
164:18
165:3,22
167:20,22
168:8,19
169:5,11,
15,19
170:20
176:15,20
177:13
179:10
180:18
181:5
time-
sensitive
97:1
timeline
115:17
146:5
times
24:3 26:3
28:1 78:1
150:19
165:11
title
10:19
11:6
147:13
today
14:12
28:12
40:4 48:5
50:17
56:12
65:5
132:14
133:5
150:7
told
85:7
164:6
167:16
181:9
tone
138:12
144:13,16
145:4,8
top
62:4,10
69:1
122:7
154:4,8
175:5
topic
43:13
topics
174:4
total
11:12
157:15
town
10:13,14,
23 14:23
15:8,16,
21,22,23
16:3,5,22
17:3,4,5,
6,8,12,
13,17,21
18:3,7,9,
12,15,16,
17,21
19:11,15,
22 20:7,
9,10,14,
15,17,18
21:7,9,
11,17
22:2,3,8,
22 23:5,
12,13,14,
17 24:6,7
25:1,4,8,
23 26:12,
14,16,17
27:8,11,
13,15,17,
18 28:13
29:12,19
31:1,5,
16,19
32:1,8,
13,16,17,
19 33:15,
19 35:14,
17,21
36:3
37:7,23
43:9
45:11
46:6,23
47:10,13
48:10,15,
17 49:20,
23 50:1
51:13,23
52:19
53:4,12,
20 54:10,
16,19
55:12
56:13,22,
23 58:15,
19 59:12,
17 60:6,
13 62:9
64:2,8,
15,22
65:15
66:3,8,
13,22
67:12,18,
23 68:3,
17,19
69:6
70:6,19
71:4,9
72:7,8,21
76:15,19
77:7,17,
21 79:7,
20,22
80:2,10,
12,23
81:9
82:6,8,
13,16
83:2,3
84:1,8,
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: thinking..town
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
12,16
85:18,22,
23 86:2,
3,10,16,
23 87:11
88:21
89:16
90:3,5
91:11
92:3 96:3
97:10
99:17
101:1
102:15,23
103:2,10,
19 104:9,
10,13,14,
20 105:20
106:14,22
107:3,15,
22 108:10
109:7,11,
21 110:3,
11,14,21
111:9,10
113:18,
20,23
116:11,19
117:8
118:1,6,
7,10,14,
16,23
119:7,11,
19,23
121:3,7,
8,12,15
124:2,12,
23 126:13
127:16
129:19,21
130:8
131:15
133:12,
15,19,21
134:1,4
135:7,11,
18 136:9,
11,12
138:18
139:4,11,
20 140:2,
11,20
141:12
142:17
143:6,22
144:7
148:6
150:8,9,
10,11
156:12
158:4,5,
7,10
159:2
160:5,12
161:4,5,
18,20,21
164:22
166:3,18
167:15
168:15,16
169:3,8
171:20
173:17
176:4
town's
68:9,16
86:5
94:8,11
114:21
121:20
123:13
130:16
171:16
towns
67:14
83:1
137:23
160:22
161:3
training
13:6,8
transcend
16:15
transcribed
7:21 8:7
transcript
9:3
transfer
40:7
42:13
transferrin
g
42:12
transmitted
150:17
transparent
68:14
Transportat
ion
11:4,13
treat
138:8
treatment
16:22
trouble
177:10
true
54:6
106:10
150:14,15
Tucker
28:16,21
Tuesday
123:3
175:16
two-page
60:18
122:3
154:13
type
119:17,20
176:1
typed
6:9 154:7
types
22:6 24:5
142:21
165:11
169:21
typical
59:11
typically
19:7 21:6
35:13,15
62:10,11
120:17
143:12
U
uh-huh
10:2 27:3
61:3
111:6
123:7
129:18
150:6
175:19
uh-uh
61:6
ultimate
88:8
ultimately
100:13
153:10
uncommon
9:12
106:8
understand
9:10,15,
18 28:17
30:1
33:5,6
36:9 39:7
40:3
42:7,23
49:5
50:11
52:7
70:16
91:8 98:9
99:18
123:16
135:3
160:17
161:14
168:4
understandi
ng
17:20
30:3,6,
10,14,16,
23 33:18
34:2
36:12,18
37:7,15,
17,22,23
39:8,18
41:8,11,
15,16
42:7,17
50:2,18
53:18
54:7
55:20
58:19
63:6,9
64:12,18
65:6
70:23
73:7,15
86:5
95:2,3
97:7,14
98:7,8
101:11
104:5
112:4
113:15
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: town's..understanding
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
116:20
117:1
121:1
129:11
135:3,5
152:11
156:5
177:13
178:11,
12,14
179:11,12
understood
10:1 39:2
71:13
95:8
108:15
168:10
170:3
University
11:18,20
unnecessary
145:5,8
unpack
91:12
168:1
unpaid
129:22
unsealed
38:22
unusual
106:2
updates
20:3,6
usual
6:16
utility
98:20
99:8
V
valid
87:2
variety
95:3,9
157:3
vehicle
64:9,15,
16,21
vendor
20:23
23:23
26:13
vendors
20:16
21:8
27:12
vent
125:17
verbal
8:9
verbatim
6:10 8:7
83:10
verificatio
n
26:4
verified
25:12
verifies
82:11
verify
174:22
verifying
26:5,6,7,
21
Vermont
11:4,13,
17
vice
76:8 87:3
video-
recorded
8:7
Village
15:13
16:21
34:18
35:4 36:6
54:1,11,
22 57:11
59:13
101:23
103:8
114:4,8,
14 124:6
visit
156:23
vital
165:3
vitally
164:21
volume
154:10
vote
42:4,6
83:23
85:18
89:8
171:20
177:8,15
178:15
voted
40:5
66:23
72:18
119:14,21
171:18,21
177:6,21
voters
82:12
141:15
154:5
voting
177:14
W
wages
18:19
wait
8:2
waive
37:10
41:13
44:1,15
45:7
46:16
47:4 91:9
117:2
179:21
waived
51:15
waiver
31:22
32:5
71:4,9,
11,15,17
72:16
96:1
179:20
waivers
37:22
40:20
walk
8:18 42:1
wanted
28:3 40:1
44:8,9
49:2,4
52:3
70:12,22
98:10,13
118:13
127:2
134:21
135:17
164:2
172:15
177:17
wanting
49:21
86:22
100:23
168:12
Warmington
125:19
133:8
179:14
warned
34:5
89:22
119:13
120:2,5
141:12
177:9,19
181:4
warrant
78:7,8,13
79:15
80:1,22
81:10
82:5,8
83:11
84:5,22
85:21
87:15
110:8
111:8,22
112:2
141:3
142:9,18
143:3
148:5
150:9
152:13,18
155:1
157:17
160:19
163:6
166:6
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: understood..warrant
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
167:1
watching
138:3
water
16:9,10,
12
ways
133:23
136:10
139:19
140:11
151:3
web
90:4
website
68:9,16
83:4,8
90:4
week
19:23
141:1
145:18,22
164:11
169:10
170:14
weeks
92:12
weird
139:14
181:5
Western
11:19
whichever
159:6
whip
162:14
Williams
101:22
165:21,22
win
172:2,3
winter
12:3
witnessed
102:12
wondering
34:23
Woodsum
32:3
69:12,18
70:9,18
71:3,19
72:16,21
92:4,5,9,
17 93:14
94:15
95:23
96:11,12,
20,21
97:1
121:8,16
123:10,
16,18
124:1,4,
9,13
126:4,15,
19,23
134:2
135:14,
19,20
136:15
155:19
156:4
158:13
175:22
176:3
Woodsum's
159:8
Woodsville
15:13
16:21
30:12
33:17
34:16,17,
18 35:4,5
36:6
37:3,12
38:17
39:11,17
40:23
41:15
42:11
46:3,9,17
47:8,21
48:7,15,
20 49:9,
11 50:4,
7,22
51:3,19
52:10
53:21,23
54:11
56:16
57:11
58:17,22
59:13
62:2
63:4,12
64:3,7,9,
14,15,22
65:2,9,
11,12,14,
16 66:9
67:13
68:5
76:15
77:7
101:7,8,
23 102:4,
5,6,9,14,
19,20,22
103:8,12,
21
106:11,20
109:14,21
110:20
111:9
112:3,8
113:19
114:3,8,
14,20
115:1,11
116:11,
15,17,23
117:11
124:5,6
142:10,15
143:4,6
160:8,23
163:2
Woodsville'
s
56:22
110:10,15
Woodsville-
related
69:15
132:4
word
26:3
41:23
45:4
83:10,12
127:3
134:2
worded
9:13
83:18
145:1
167:18
176:2,5
words
45:17
107:14
work
10:13
11:3
19:21
20:17
22:11
23:7,10
24:3,8,21
25:3
29:12,18
30:15
32:7
52:17
53:11
54:17
93:9
103:1
106:14
107:3,8
113:22
118:19
124:17
132:16,
18,22
133:1,10,
17
134:16,
21,22
135:6
138:20
139:21
151:23
173:17,
18,19
worked
11:4 17:5
21:10
31:4
44:20
99:6
155:23
working
22:14,15
31:16,19
32:2
91:18,23
92:2,3,8,
11,19
99:2
109:13
113:17
123:17
126:3
132:23
135:14
136:9
158:12,14
181:5
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: watching..working
800.211.DEPO (3376)

BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
800.211.DEPO (3376)
works
17:6,7
102:6
workshop
23:3
169:9
write
144:20
145:1
177:12
181:8
writes
88:7
writing
43:1,4
82:4
180:17
181:2
written
81:6 93:8
94:15
144:16,18
159:8
168:3
wrong
77:17
wrote
116:14
161:13
Y
year
10:17
11:11
12:1,2
23:6
24:2,3
77:22
89:16
128:6
156:12
171:3
years
11:5,12,
13 40:13
84:16
162:13
yesterday
170:13
yup
6:18,20
8:5 34:22
44:23
76:13
79:12
81:5
82:10
120:5
125:13
147:4,7
148:21
151:6
155:10
175:23
BRIGITTE CODLING
May 20, 2024
Index: works..yup
800.211.DEPO (3376)

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